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Moderne Decay wrote:

Fotzepolitic wrote: It's occurred to me the similarities between Peter Hook and Donald Trump.Both always running their mouth, talking out their arse, saying nasty hateful things about people, contradicting and denying things they've said, desperate for attention and to be the big man numero uno..... oh yeah and being a total wanker.

Yet everyone whom seems to dislike him can't stop saying his name, which ironically keeps getting him free publicity from the new sources which supposedly are against him. If a lesson is to be learned here, it is this: America loves its villains. Coincidentally, there's a movie out now called "Suicide Squad" which I'm pretty sure is a heaping pile of cinematic crap, yet it's totally ranking in the cash preaching the same message of America loving its own villains.

Donald Trump is series 6 of American Horror Story really, isn't he?

Series One:American Horror Story- Murder House (2011-12)

Series Two:American Horror Story-Asylum (2012–13)

Series Three :American Horror Story-Coven (2013–14)

Series Four: American Horror Story-Freak Show (2014–15)

Series Five : American Horror Story- Hotel(2015-16)

Series Six: American Horror Story-Donald Trump(2016-17)

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Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Moderne Decay wrote: Come on Hooky, let those vocals shine! If Hooky did vocals for the whole album, I would have loved it.

Is this a joke?

You beat me to it, Michael! Hooky's singing has the knack of making the listenable unlistenable...

Movement - I would be a bigger fan of this album if weren't for Hook's two attempts to batter my ear drums with his fog horn. Dreams Never End would likely have been my favourite track on the album, but desperate Hannett had awful Hooky whaling at two different pitches.

One True Passion - To be fair, this is Hook's best vocals. He sounds like he's trying to emulate Bernard on this record. Probably a lot of effects on his voice in order to achieve this.

Gun World Porn - Much more natural Hook here, so it's shit.

Monaco - Why didn't he just let Potts' sing lead? This track is quite good, turn it up - oh, fuck, Hooky is singing the chorus - turn it down, pronto!

The Light: You know what I think of his voice by now. My comment here is on his repeated bullshit statement about being unable to find a singer because everybody was too scared. There must be hundreds of singers out there who would have jumped at the opportunity to perform JD/NO tracks alongside Hook. I believe the truth is Hooky has always wanted to be singer and the centre of attention. This is why in his previous bands, where he was in charge, he managed to be sing lead the majority of the time, in spite of claiming his reluctance. By singing in the Light, he also deprives fans of the one thing they love him for: playing bass in Joy Division and New Order...

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Well, I'll tell you all what... if anyone plans on going to see Hooky's Portland show, I'm game to meet up and cheer him on. As for the rest of the noise and nonsense in this thread, let me know when I'm supposed to care.

Cheers.

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I know I posted this before but I'm convinced this is Hooky's singing teacher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BovQyphS8kA. I'll sing for you Sir - in the wonds of wankworthy Patsy, I'm not scared. I'm in the minority here but I liked FB the album and hated FB the EP. YDKTAM starts of well à la Ceremony but then just dithers about. Dark Starr is as easy on the ear as slaughtering a pig, Milky Way is more Spinal tap than Sex Pistols, and Live... is down there with Revenge.

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Deceiver wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Moderne Decay wrote: Come on Hooky, let those vocals shine! If Hooky did vocals for the whole album, I would have loved it.

Is this a joke?

You beat me to it, Michael! Hooky's singing has the knack of making the listenable unlistenable...

Movement - I would be a bigger fan of this album if weren't for Hook's two attempts to batter my ear drums with his fog horn. Dreams Never End would likely have been my favourite track on the album, but desperate Hannett had awful Hooky whaling at two different pitches.

One True Passion - To be fair, this is Hook's best vocals. He sounds like he's trying to emulate Bernard on this record. Probably a lot of effects on his voice in order to achieve this.

Gun World Porn - Much more natural Hook here, so it's shit.

Monaco - Why didn't he just let Potts' sing lead? This track is quite good, turn it up - oh, fuck, Hooky is singing the chorus - turn it down, pronto!

The Light: You know what I think of his voice by now. My comment here is on his repeated bullshit statement about being unable to find a singer because everybody was too scared. There must be hundreds of singers out there who would have jumped at the opportunity to perform JD/NO tracks alongside Hook. I believe the truth is Hooky has always wanted to be singer and the centre of attention. This is why in his previous bands, where he was in charge, he managed to be sing lead the majority of the time, in spite of claiming his reluctance. By singing in the Light, he also deprives fans of the one thing they love him for: playing bass in Joy Division and New Order...

I've never seen The Light play live - does he not even play bass in the show? I was thinking of going to the Forum show next month, not going to bother if its just going to be him doing two hours of NO karaoke.

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The Light on Youtube: No. The Light live: Yes. 2 hours of awesome songs and note-perfect music.

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Ken Doherty wrote: I've never seen The Light play live - does he not even play bass in the show? I was thinking of going to the Forum show next month, not going to bother if its just going to be him doing two hours of NO karaoke.

Most bass is played by his son. He does a bit when isn't swallowing the mic and raising arms like some Scooby-Doo spectre...

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Cheers, if that's the case, I'll pass.

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No one gives a fuck what I think but I'm a fan of the Light. Hooky's no Pavarotti but the atmosphere is so awesome you genuiney don't care after a while. I was a fan in the mid-90s and the fun was always dampened by the thought I'd never get to hear most / all of the songs live. Having stuff like Ecstasy or Tiny Tim played perfectly with a key, arguably most recognisable member for 14 fucking Euro is fine by me.

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Deceiver wrote: This is why in his previous bands, where he was in charge, he managed to be sing lead the majority of the time...

Yup. It's funny he slammed Sumner for 'wanting a bass player who does what he's told' when it's clear Hooky takes over every project - Dave Hicks 'left' Revenge, Freebass imploded etc. Even superfan Claud Flowers had to commet on how ''''''''''equally important'''''''''' Revenge members didn't even get a cameo in the Pineapple Face vid.

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Michael Monkhouse wrote: The Light on Youtube: No. The Light live: Yes. 2 hours of awesome songs and note-perfect music.

this is true

when you watch on youtube all you can focus on is his voice but live it seems a lot further down in the mix

i swear his bass isn't always plugged in though,he was doing loads of his 'iconic' poses at one gig and playing his bass upside down in the air and there honestly wasn't anything coming out

i've only been to 2 gigs,both low life/brotherhood sets but i really did enjoy them...and i went trying my best not to the first time if i'm honest

i've got tickets for substance in manc but not sure if i can be bothered as i don't like joy division

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Ooooooh so Hookys doing his booky in Bath on 7th October need to think why I should go. 1 chance in a lifetime to get ultra rare Hooky autograph. 2, book will appreciate in value once signed. 3. The book will tell the Truth and nothing but the Truth. 4. He won't be singing. 5. I like Bath. 6.hese a renowed author. 7. He might say something about legal gig. 7 reasons.

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lee wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: The Light on Youtube: No. The Light live: Yes. 2 hours of awesome songs and note-perfect music.

this is true

when you watch on youtube all you can focus on is his voice but live it seems a lot further down in the mix

i swear his bass isn't always plugged in though,he was doing loads of his 'iconic' poses at one gig and playing his bass upside down in the air and there honestly wasn't anything coming out

i've only been to 2 gigs,both low life/brotherhood sets but i really did enjoy them...and i went trying my best not to the first time if i'm honest

i've got tickets for substance in manc but not sure if i can be bothered as i don't like joy division

He's playing the NO Substance too though. And their social networks are hyping up for a 3 hour show, so looks to me like he'll be doing all the extra tracks too. I think you should definitely go. I'm seeing it here in Portland in a few months.

As for the bass, there is absolutely no way on earth that in the YouTube age he would be able to get away with his bass not being plugged in at a show. Granted he is on a wireless pack, so you can't SEE it plugged in, but at the shows I've been too there was no question - he started most of the songs and played on all the New Order songs they did. And his bass was fucking loud! Seems like there are more of the Joy Division ones where he doesn't play at all which is a shame as personally I love JD.

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Deceiver wrote:

Ken Doherty wrote: I've never seen The Light play live - does he not even play bass in the show? I was thinking of going to the Forum show next month, not going to bother if its just going to be him doing two hours of NO karaoke.

Most bass is played by his son. He does a bit when isn't swallowing the mic and raising arms like some Scooby-Doo spectre...

When I saw the Low-Life & Brotherhood tour he started pretty much every track & played on all of the NO ones. There were a few JD ones where he didn't play though, which I was a bit bummed about.

If you never seen them you should go. They put on a great show and play for like 3 hours.

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79order wrote: 2, book will appreciate in value once signed.

You shouldn't put price on memories though. I remember meeting Lou Reed years ago at UCLA and got to chat with him about his album The Raven. I had him sign a book of his lyrics, plus a copy of Metal Machine Music which he thought was funny. It totally broke my heart when he passed away since I'm such a big fan of his, so there's no way anyone could talk me out of selling these things. I'd rather donate them to some museum when I'm dead as part of my will.

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I think it's hilarious people continue to read Hooky interviews and get upset by them. What the fook do you expect?

  • So Hooky babes, how's it going with NO? Oh they're awesome! I just loves 'em, they're such an awesome buncha guys, except Gilly of course, she's an awesome buncha gal! (laughs) We get on just awesome and meet up 5389523 times a day for a chat and a beer and a kiss on the bottom. And if Barnster's phone is off just one billisecond, gosh I do get the heebeegeebees.
  • The court case? Oh that old thing! What an utter beast I was. Soz guys.
  • And the future? Well Bernard and the boys are touring the last album which is awesome and I'm touring with them! While I play dat funky bass along with Tom they play with me and the Light next door. It's all so just sooooo lovely now.
  • Thanks Hooky. Huggy babes!
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PS When you're dead you can't donate things. You have to do it before.

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So how is this for an idea...

The Light of New Order: World Tour

50/50 touring income & expenses split between The Light performing alongside New Order without overlapping songs.

Of course this idea would be shot down by all the dueling lawyers working behind the scenes, but fuck it. It would funnel all the money back into both parties and even the score.

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Michael Monkhouse wrote: PS When you're dead you can't donate things. You have to do it before.

You can donate organs. And eyes. Or are they classed as organs?

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Moderne Decay wrote: So how is this for an idea...

The Light of New Order: World Tour

50/50 touring income & expenses split between The Light performing alongside New Order without overlapping songs.

Of course this idea would be shot down by all the dueling lawyers working behind the scenes, but fuck it. It would funnel all the money back into both parties and even the score.

This will happen. Speaking of problem-shooting, I just heard a track by popular Italian singer Gianna Nannini. It's about wars and bombs and killing, and she argues wars and bombs and killing are bad because bombs kill people in wars. The chorus urges, 'Stop it!' World leaders were listening to Top of The Popsters and agreed to stop all wars and bombs and killing by supper. Well done! Ms Nannini now plans to free every political prisoner, feed all African children (even the naughty ones) and cure each known disease just before she sends the kids back to school. Keep it up Gianna, you're AWESOME. I agree that all the Hooky-bashing is good publicity for the guy. It's like, Weren't you flabbergasted to hear Melanie Trump ain't writing her own speeches? The joke was on us cos (a) being surprised means we must've respected her in the first place, and (b) we are now her unpaid, untiring publicity agents. For fuck's sake, she even sounds like a Spice Girl - Melanie A.

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New Order bassist Peter Hook is coming to Manchester to launch his long awaited memoir about life with his chart topping band.

Substance: Inside New Order is Hook's third autobiographical release and in it the Salford musician promises to give a “no-holds-barred” account of life inside the band he is currently locked in a legal wrangle with.

The book is full of private photos and candid memories and compliments his two previous releases - The Hacienda: How Not To Run A Club about his time as co-owner of the ill-fated Manchester night spot, and Unknown Pleasures: Inside Joy Division charting the life of his first band with Ian Curtis, Bernard Sumner, and Stephen Morris.

He'll be in Manchester on October 10 for a special in conversation event at Albert Square Chop House with DJ, radio broadcaster, and Inspiral Carpets organ player Clint Boon.

Tickets go on sale via eventim tomorrow, August 23, at 11am.

He promises to be as open about the trials and tribulations of band life at this one off evening as he has been in print. Hook will also be signing copies of the book after the talk.

Manchester Evening News

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I really wish the MEN would get a sub-editor. Their standards of journalism are worse than my local free weekly rag:

compliment noun plural noun: compliments ˈkɒmplɪm(ə)nt/

1.  a polite expression of praise or admiration.

As for 'memoir about life with his chart topping band.' His band? Where's me popcorn.... ;o)

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Moderne Decay wrote: All the Revenge, Electronic, The Other Two and even the Monaco albums are all equally brilliant. I feel no need to defend my tastes any further.

Revenge are like sex. Unfortunately, anal sex. Fucking shit. Even Hooky admitted the LP was just an excuse to tour... The EP was cool but it was practically Monaco by then. Other 2? 2 albums in 25 years and they're both shit. That's a record in itself. Electronic - yes, no, yes and no. Monaco - yes, yes and no. Number of times I will have this conversation: 753234064. number of people who care what I think and might reconsider how they think: -942.

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PS I have an extremely rare unsigned copy of Hooky's last book.

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Peter Hook says Caroline Aherne was physically abusive during marriage

Musician claims in autobiography that the comedian, who died in July, attacked him with knives, bottles and chairs before split.

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Joy Division and New Order bassist Peter Hook has caused quite a reaction with the revelation that he was an 'abused husband'.

The Manchester music legend reveals details of his marriage to comedian Caroline Aherne in his new autobiography - and it's an unflinching, and at times uncomfortable, read.

He says that when his ex-wife Caroline died in July, after a third battle with cancer, he 'couldn't in all good conscience' join in with the tributes to the Mrs Merton and Royle Family star.

Hook says he spiralled into clinical depression after he became an 'abused husband', claiming he suffered physical and mental abuse from Aherne.

Describing the start of the violent incidents, Hook writes: “She attacked me, using her nails to scratch at my neck, tearing off my necklace and ripping my top. It was proper shocking stuff."

"And although she was really contrite the next morning it marked the beginning of some serious screaming-banshee behaviour - putting cigarettes out on my arm, attacking me with bottles, knives, chairs and other assorted furniture.

He writes: “I was an abused husband and it’s embarrassing, and you feel ashamed, and you can’t tell anyone. I needed help.”

The revelation sparked a massive reaction when we published it last night, with social media debates about the rights and wrongs of revealing details about the personal life of a recently-departed celebrity - and the attitude of society to male victims of domestic violence and abuse.

Hayley Marie Newton wrote on Facebook: "A little inappropriate to publish this when she is dead and gone and not here to defend herself. I for one would boycott this purely for his lack of tact and sensitivity.

"I totally get that he may feel he has a right to tell his side of the story but there's a time, place and method and he has considered neither. Surely this would have been better discussed with a counsellor rather than the public."

And Mike McDonagh added: "It was no secret that she suffered from depression, she told the world she had done things she was not proud of. Let those who have died, die in peace with themselves and stop stirring up things that can not be answered or defended.

Ann Carson said: "Why now? If you have no respect for Caroline's memory, at least show some for her family. I remember some of the upset being in the press at the time. I think that was partly the reason she went Australia. Caroline was a genius but above all she was human."

And Nicola Barnes said: "And he chooses now to tell us? Why not when she was alive then she could defend herself?"

But many others said this reaction is part of the problem facing male victims of abusive relationships.

June Reece wrote: "Is it any wonder male victims don't speak out when this is the reaction....I don't/didnt know either of them and only they know the truth but it's sad to see people's reactions to this story....unless you have lived with abuse, you will never understand."

Lea Pearce said: "Would you all still be defending her if she was a man and he was a woman. Or would you assume she was just too scared to say while he was alive and feel sympathy for her? Amazing how much attitudes change and sympathy isn't given when it's a man that gets abused."

Joe Butler wrote: "So many hypocrites on here. Calling this man every name under the sun because he's spoken out about a woman.

"If this was a woman speaking out about her dead husband a lot of you would be singing a different song. No wonder violence and abuse against men is swept under the carpet and not taken seriously. You all might as well come out and say it, men can suffer in silence because only women will be taken seriously."

And Clare Devine defended the way Hook had made the revelation. She said: "If Peter Hook were just a regular member of a public then you could say he was cashing in by revealing this information. He's not - he was famous in his own right before her and was already writing his book before she sadly passed away.

"It happened and he has every right to share it. If it were the other way round, no-one would be complaining. She was much-loved and a comic genius but we have to accept that people have flaws and aren't the people we like to think they are."

Adrianh Leighton-Lawlor wrote: "Abuse is abuse! On a man or a women. Doesn't matter if the offender is dead or alive. I am a survivor of an abusive relationship, and reading the small bits in the article, I believe him."

And Amanda Murphy said: "He was writing the book when she died. It's not like he heard she died and then saw pound signs.

"Also if you know anything of Manchesters music scence and the Hacienda days, you will know he didn't need to mention her name to sell the book, he was making money from it irrespective of her involvement.

"To suggest he is speaking about the abuse he suffered to make money is as disgusting and the comments suggesting he should keep his abuse private. If he was a female there would be uproar...

"Don't think for one minute her family didn't know she had a darker side of her personality. They know she was human and that level of humour she was gifted with often comes from some form of pain or grief.

"She had cancer from a very early age and knew even though she was married she would never feel complete in that role as she would never have children. Don't tell me that didn't torture her because I won't believe it."

'Soviet' wrote on the Manchester Evening News website: "There's always two sides and sadly we'll probably only get to hear Peter's but Caroline had admitted to (and was widely reported as) having addiction and health problems.

"It would be a shame if Peter's book fails to cover how he may also have failed in their relationship - people can be troubled but often their partners can be the catalyst for a meltdown...but lets not let the celebrity status of the late great CA also prevent Peter from saying what he needs to...he has that right."

MEN

To be honest he'd most probably already written this before her death. Should he have pulled a whole chapter out of respect? Did he include it because she's not here to contest his picture of events? Is it all bollocks? Who knows?

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Just to add, I just read this:

"In his book Hook says he didn’t pay tribute to ex-wife Caroline Aherne when she died because she physically abused him."

So the chapter was either written, or parts were added, after her death.

I personally think he could have handled it with more tact. Some things are personal and she isn't here to tell her side of the story. Others think it's important for him to share this publicly to raise awareness of men suffering domestic violence at the hands of their female counterparts. It just raises the question of why didn't he speak so much about it earlier?

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BazG wrote: Others think it's important for him to share this publicly to raise awareness of men suffering domestic violence at the hands of their female counterparts. Read more

Does anyone buy this? Hooky gives a shit about his fellow man and is doing his utmost to Do His Bit. The fact it's coming out at the same time as his autobiography (Wanking title, Not Again) and he hasn't written anything new since the First World War is just a coincidence... 'Spiralled into depression'.. This is how '''depressed''' he got. How did he cope? http://static.nme.com/images/article/PeterHookPA120411.jpg Hooky The Nice Bunny... www.vamp.org/Siouxsie/Text/kdeyoe.94/0195.html ... One of my favourite Hooky quotes is when he said he mixed Reading 93 'in floods of tears' cos he thought it was over... Vicking rockpig fuckhead in 'floods of tears'? He probably just listened to Revenge.

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BazG wrote: Is it all bollocks? Who knows?

This is it. It's dificult to have an opinion. Instead of being able to discuss if it was brave of him to reveal this stuff, all I can think is: Is this true? If it's true, then fair enough. If not, then it makes his "unique" version of the truth re: NO seem like small potatoes.

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