Mapping the (hopefully!) forthcoming Definitive Editions... Part 1 - PC&L

According to internal sources, its pushed back to early 2020.

Well that's a bit disappointing, but seems likely given the fact that they need to advertise this etc.

PCL - Box edition

Date : january 24, 2020

CLERK wrote: PCL - Box edition

Date : january 24, 2020

Pink? Is that pink? What’s the connection with pink and the original cover? ( Movement box was powder blue like the original album cover) . Puzzled now how the schedule of the P,C & L era singles re-releases fit into all this if the box is end of January.

Fotzepolitic wrote: Pink? Is that pink? What’s the connection with pink and the original cover?

That color features prominently in the flowers, and is one of the key colors on Saville's color code. It's the first color block in the corner.

50 Pound Note wrote:

Fotzepolitic wrote: Pink? Is that pink? What’s the connection with pink and the original cover?

That color features prominently in the flowers, and is one of the key colors on Saville's color code. It's the first color block in the corner.

Ok.Yep that makes sense.

Wow!

Some news then! Great stufff!

Running that text on that French page through Google Translate yields the following:

"In the form of a luxury box, this box designed by Peter Saville includes a vinyl, 2 CDs and 2 DVDs, and a hardcover book. It offers vinyl and CD the first remastered version of the album 'Power, Corruption & Lies' from the original analog master strips. The bonus CD features unpublished excerpts from the album's 'writing sessions', picked up in New Order's rehearsal space in Manchester, and a 1982 John Peel Session on the BBC. The two DVDs feature New Order concerts in 1982 and 1983 at Hacienda and Kilkenny, Channel 4's 'Play at Home' documentary in 1984, and many rare TV and live performances.

The 48-page hardcover book contains rare photos and original texts."

Scant details, but WOW! Hacienda and Kilkenny! fab stuff! Many rare TV appearances? Oh yes! Gimme, gimme, gimme! Hopefully we get to see Confusion from Veronica's Countdown.

Also, I'm so glad that 'Play At Home' is featured as it's such an important part of the band's (and Factory's) TV history.

Video of the Kilkenny gig? Wow, never imagined that it was filmed. Curious as hell and to see that. Played my cassette of the Radio 1 Broadcast of that gig over and over back then.Got to know live versions of songs before i’d even heard or bought the records ( Ceremony, EGG, Temptation). The images I’ve imagined in my head of the gig from the audio are either going to be confirmed or turned completely upside down after all these years. Crikey.

What's a bit odd is the fact that the 1982 Peel Session is on it. Not that I have any objection to this (it's pretty f**king awesome, after all), but just seems strange considering the 1981 one wasn't on the Movement box.

Reading back through that translate thing, although I read the 'many rare TV performances' bit, I missed that it actually said 'many rare TV and live performances'. Great stuff! So, a bit like like the Movement box in having complete gigs and various tracks from other gigis.

Colour me excited! PC&L, along with Technique, are the band's absolute high-points for me.

Fotzepolitic wrote: Video of the Kilkenny gig? Wow, never imagined that it was filmed. Curious as hell and to see that. Played my cassette of the Radio 1 Broadcast of that gig over and over back then.Got to know live versions of songs before i’d even heard or bought the records ( Ceremony, EGG, Temptation). The images I’ve imagined in my head of the gig from the audio are either going to be confirmed or turned completely upside down after all these years. Crikey.

Great, ain't it?

Where's the First Avenue gig? Didn't we get a remastered ICB from that show for the last box set?

I know this is probably heresy to say on this forum, but PCL barely breaks my top 5 favorite NO releases. I found myself more excited for the Movement box set because that's my favorite period of NO.

Curious to see what the Low-Life box set will give us.

Much as I love the Minneapolis gig, I'm happy to see ones I've never seen before. First Avenue has been circulating for years, after all. Still, I'd never turn down a really great quality version of it. Obvs.

I'm also interested in Low-Life, but one step at a time. :-) It's all PC&L for the time being and I'm so, so happy with that!

So, presumably, the two gigs are the following two dates:

Haçienda, Manchester, 26/06/82

In A Lonely Place Ultraviolence Denial The Village We All Stand Senses Chosen Time 5-8-6 Temptation Everything's Gone Green

Rosehill Hotel, Kilkenny, 14/04/83

We All Stand Leave Me Alone Denial The Village Temptation Confusion In A Lonely Place Age Of Consent Blue Monday Everything's Gone Green Ceremony

So, a nice mix of Movement-era and PC&L-era tracks, especially with the '82 gig.

Release date: 24/1/2020 (1LP/2CD/2DVD) Power, Corruption & Lies (for CD and LP) (2019 remaster)

1. Age of Consent
2. We All Stand
3. The Village
4. 5 8 6
5. Your Silent Face
6. Ultraviolence
7. Ecstacy
8. Leave Me Alone

Power Corruption & Lies - Extras (CD) Writing Session Recordings

1. Age Of Consent *
2. The Village *
3. 5 8 6 *
4. Your Silent Face *
5. Ecstacy *
6. Leave Me Alone *

John Peel Session 07. Turn The Heater On 08. We All Stand 09. Too Late 10. 5 8 6

John Peel Session Outtake 11. Too Late (instrumental rough mix) *

New York Session Outtake 12. Thieves Like Us (New York demo #1) *

Writing Session Recordings 13. Thieves Like Us * 14. Murder * 15. Blue Monday * 16. Blue Monday *

*Previously unreleased

New Order – Power, Corruption & Lies DVD DVD 1

Live Shows The Hacienda, Manchester, 1982 In A Lonely Place Ultraviolence Denial The Village We All Stand Senses Chosen Time 5 8 6 Temptation Everything's Gone Green

Recorded on 26th June, 1982

Rosehill Hotel, Kilkenny, Ireland 1983 We All Stand Leave Me Alone Denial The Village Temptation Confusion Age Of Consent Blue Monday Everything's Gone Green Ceremony

Recorded on 24th April, 1983

TV Sessions

BBC Top Of The Pops, London, 1983 Blue Monday

Countdown - 1983 Confusion

Switch - 1983 Age Of Consent Blue Monday

BBC Top Of The Pops, London, 1984 Thieves Like Us

Extras The Hacienda, Manchester, 1983 Your Silent Face 5 8 6

Recreation Centre, Tolworth, 1983 We All Stand Leave Me Alone

Tower Ballroom, Birmingham, 1983 Love Will Tear Us Apart

First Avenue, Minneapolis, 1983 Ultraviolence

Uni-Mensa, Dusseldorf, 1984 The Village

Alabamahalle, Munich, 1984 Thieves Like Us Blue Monday

Metropol, Berlin, 1984 Lonesome Tonight Confusion

DVD 2 Play At Home Channel 4 documentary made by New Order

Live Show The Hacienda, Manchester, 1983 Blue Monday Age Of Consent Lonesome Tonight Your Silent Face Leave Me Alone 5 8 6 Denial Confusion Temptation Thieves Like Us In A Lonely Place Everything's Gone Green

Recorded on 20th July, 1983

Fantastic! Three complete gigs, plus a whole host of other live performances. Confusion from Countdown is there (finally!).

Plus those rehearsals / outtakes look mighty tasty. Rehearsals of Blue Monday? Wow! Demo of TLU? Yes please!

YESSSSSS!

But I bet the record label are gutted that they missed the xmas market. At least it's out the day after I get paid in January, so that's something

Should be getting the 12"s announced soon then too?

Can't believe the Kilkenny show was filmed - surely the BBC wouldn't have gone all the way to Ireland to film it and then never showed it? Maybe local amateur or local TV footage synced to the BBC In Concert audio?

Also - I note that two of the "extras" on DVD1 are from the Hacienda 1983. Hopefully these are from the January 83 show and not just duplicates of the July 83 show that is already in full on DVD2. Worse mistakes have been known to be made!

GotBlueEyes wrote: I note that two of the "extras" on DVD1 are from the Hacienda 1983. Hopefully these are from the January 83 show and not just duplicates of the July 83 show that is already in full on DVD2. Worse mistakes have been known to be made!

I‘m guessing (hoping?) they’re from the 26/01/83 gig (like Truth was in the ’Movement’ box). We know that YSF exists from this gig, as it was on the ‘A Factory Outing’ VHS. Fingers crossed.

Maybe Johnny James can confirm, as the embargo on contents seems to have been lifted.

Incidentally, there will (presumably) be some duplication, as some of the July ‘83 Haç gig was featured in ‘Play At Home’ (also on the DVDs). It was 3 tracks wasn’t it? Lonesome Tonight, Thieves Like Us and one other (In A Lonely Place possibly; can’t remember).

I’m really pleased that they’ve gone with 2 x DVD. Hopefully, they continue with this decision for subsequent boxes.

Catching up on this thread, I was initially disappointed by the 'not until 2020' delay but then I saw the listings and, well, WOW!

Labours of love like these need to be given all the time they need to do it right.

Thanks all.

perspexorange wrote:

GotBlueEyes wrote: I note that two of the "extras" on DVD1 are from the Hacienda 1983. Hopefully these are from the January 83 show and not just duplicates of the July 83 show that is already in full on DVD2. Worse mistakes have been known to be made!

I‘m guessing (hoping?) they’re from the 26/01/83 gig (like Truth was in the ’Movement’ box). We know that YSF exists from this gig, as it was on the ‘A Factory Outing’ VHS. Fingers crossed.

Maybe Johnny James can confirm, as the embargo on contents seems to have been lifted.

Yep, definitely from Jan 83.

I might as well jump in and say something here. This was an early and apparently accidental leak rather than an official announcement from the label.

This means:

That release date in January is far from definite and is very likely to slip back further at this point.

The listings aren't quite right and are still subject to changes, hopefully nothing major but you never know.

Thanks for the update, JJ. Much appreciated. Thanks for all the hard work you and others have put into what looks like an awesome set.

Awesome but the price tag is still a stumbling block. That's a lot of beer money.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Awesome but the price tag is still a stumbling block. That's a lot of beer money.

What I always do in cases like this, is pre-order from Amazon at the earliest opportunity to lock in their pre-order price. Chances are the RRP will drop and you’re guaranteed to get it at the lowest price that it is throughout your pre-order period.

Then just put a note in your calendar a week or so before release. You can then decide whether to cancel or keep at that point. If you keep it (and why wouldn’t you?), you’ll probably get it cheaper than if you’d decided to buy it on / after release, on a whim?

I should point out that there is NO WAY I’d cancel a set as good as this one looks.

The PCL box is already withdrawn fro Fnac webpage, but they know announce the four EPs, starting 15th of november.

running order :

Blue monday 15th of november Confusion 22th of november TLU 29th of november Murder 6th of december

Looking forward to the Kilkenny and both Hacienda 83 gig videos.I have bootleg audio of July 83 and it's great.Also the Radio 1 broadcast of Kilkenny is ace.

Looking forward also to the Countdown footage of Confusion, Thieves New York demo, Too Late instrumental demo from the Peel session, Play At Home on DVD, Manchester 82 video and various assorted gig snippets.

Oh and i'm hoping in the book there is a photo of Bernard in his lab coat he reportedly wore during the album sessions

Really hoping the vinyl will still have the die cut sleeve.Also the same for the BM re-release.

Johnny James wrote: The listings aren't quite right and are still subject to changes, hopefully nothing major but you never know.

So my uncirculated tape of the 20 minute Ultraviolence from Hull March 1982 might still be required

GotBlueEyes wrote:

Johnny James wrote: The listings aren't quite right and are still subject to changes, hopefully nothing major but you never know.

So my uncirculated tape of the 20 minute Ultraviolence from Hull March 1982 might still be required

You’re joking, right? If not, get it out there! 😉😁😁

GotBlueEyes wrote:

Johnny James wrote: The listings aren't quite right and are still subject to changes, hopefully nothing major but you never know.

So my uncirculated tape of the 20 minute Ultraviolence from Hull March 1982 might still be required

Does it sound better than the one in circulation?

It's still only an audience tape, but i got the master from a guy as part of a batch of John Peel Shows I was transferring for the Peel Yahoogroup. He taped it himself and said "do you want this while you're at it?"

It's a lot bassier than the circulating tape - I'll send you a PM

This is going to be THE box set, can’t wait, greatest album ever