Rather than make a separate thread for all the things I was thinking of querying tonight (like my Confusion thread), I thought it might be a good idea to make a dedicated thread to add various choice items to talk about and discuss.

From 7" promos to freebie flexis. Flicker books to rulers. Lewie busts to paperweights.

So, onto my first item.

Talking of flexis, here's one that most people probably don't know about.

Bizz Magazine Flexi

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Blue-Monday-1988/release/1776158

This was given away with a Brazilian magazine called (you guessed it) 'Bizz'.

Here's the issue in question (I think, see below), along with images:

http://m-80rockbands.blogspot.com/2010/09/1988-new-order-revista-poster-bizz.html

Anyone speak Portuguese?

As I mentioned above, I think it was this issue, but it may have been this one (as the cover seems familiar):

https://issuu.com/lucascorreaviegas/docs/revista\_bizz\_\_035\_-\_new\_order\_\_junho\_1988\_

As with a lot of my stuff, both the cuttings from the magazine and the actual flexi are in storage at my mum's. However, I'm currently involved in scanning all my hundreds (possibly thousands! [:eek] ) of cuttings. I do a little bit each time I go there. I'll get around to it eventually, but I'm up to 1983, so have a number of years to go to get to '88.

If I had to guess though, I'm pretty sure it's the top link (the cover with the band at The Roxy).

Onto the remix. I haven't played it for years, but as far as I can tell, it's exclusive to this release. I noted it on my list back in the early 90s as 'Blue Monday 1988 ('Bizz' Magazine Edit)', so it appears that it's a mix of the '88 version (which figures, based on the release date). I have a logged time of 3:20, so quite a bit shorter than the standard 1988 7".

I really can't remember anything about it, though. It might just be an early fade. My use of the term 'edit' seems to point to that, rather than a unique mix.

I'm pretty sure that I picked this up at one of those massive record fairs they used to have at the Birmingham NEC, two or three times a year.

I used to go there with David Smith from 'Paradise' fanzine (remember that?), as we were good friends. We used to have a little bit of an unwritten competition; who could find the best stuff. It was pretty much an 'on your marks' type thing. Doors would open and we would both try to head for certain sellers that were always there and were practically guaranteed to have some interesting items.

Some times I would walk out the victor but, more often than not it seemed, David would be the (unspoken) champion.

I remember feeling pleased I got this magazine, as it seemed pretty exclusive at the time (especially before we had internet shopping). Realistically speaking, I guess there's probably thousands of the damn things, given the vast size of Brazil.

If anyone knows which of the two magazines the flexi came with, please let me know. Even better, if anyone has a rip of the (dodgy, flexible) vinyl, please let me know.

OK, on to my second item.

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Regret/release/175455

This is a 2x12" promo of 'Regret'.

I don't think I realised this at the time, but it actually contains an extended version of the (frankly horrible) Sabres Fast 'n' Throb mix. The version on the standard 12" runs to 12:11, whilst this one draws it even longer (groan!) to 13:38.

Again, I haven't got a rip of this, so would appreciate a copy if anyone has it (although, as stated, I'm less than thrilled with the remix).

I have an (vaguely) interesting tale as to how I got hold of this.

This is one of the only times I've ever won anything. I entered a competition in the NME. I can't remember what the competition was but suspect it was one of those 'answer an easy multi-choice question and mail in your address' types.

Anyway, although I bought NME every week in those days, I never noticed anything in the paper listing winners. Indeed, I never heard back from the NME with a 'Congratulations. You've won!' message.

All that happened was, literally months later, a parcel turned up on my doorstep. There was no markings either on the package or inside to say where it had come from. There wasn't even a compliment slip stating 'NME' etc. In fact, at first, I couldn't work out where it had come from and why it had been sent to me.

Eventually the penny dropped. As I say, it must've been 6 months at least since I entered the competition.

OK, final item for tonight.

As well as the 2x12" mentioned, my prize also included the following promo CD, which I was far more pleased with:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-A-NewOrder-Sampler/release/796620

I thought this was really exclusive at the time (again, pre-internet). Now it seems you can pick them up fairly cheaply.

Not the best New Order competition to win. In the 26/11/88 issue of 'NME", there was a chance to win Barney's guitar, which would've been a much better prize to have got.

(Incidentally, that particular competition mentioned that the guitar on offer was Bernard's black 1959 Gibson Les Paul Special. However, the accompanying image showed him playing his Gibson ES335, a guitar he was still using at Reading the following year. Also, as far as I know, I think the only other Gibsons Bernard played was his SG or his Les Paul Junior. I'm guessing it was the latter they were referring to, as he never seemed to play it in the late 80s. Also, I think the Special and Juniors were very similar.)

perspexorange wrote: OK, on to my second item.

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Regret/release/175455

This is a 2x12" promo of 'Regret'.

I don't think I realised this at the time, but it actually contains an extended version of the (frankly horrible) Sabres Fast 'n' Throb mix. The version on the standard 12" runs to 12:11, whilst this one draws it even longer (groan!) to 13:38.

Again, I haven't got a rip of this, so would appreciate a copy if anyone has it (although, as stated, I'm less than thrilled with the remix).

I have an (vaguely) interesting tale as to how I got hold of this.

This is one of the only times I've ever won anything. I entered a competition in the NME. I can't remember what the competition was but suspect it was one of those 'answer an easy multi-choice question and mail in your address' types.

Anyway, although I bought NME every week in those days, I never noticed anything in the paper listing winners. Indeed, I never heard back from the NME with a 'Congratulations. You've won!' message.

All that happened was, literally months later, a parcel turned up on my doorstep. There was no markings either on the package or inside to say where it had come from. There wasn't even a compliment slip stating 'NME' etc. In fact, at first, I couldn't work out where it had come from and why it had been sent to me.

Eventually the penny dropped. As I say, it must've been 6 months at least since I entered the competition.

good story, i've never entered a competition, and therefore have never won anything.

i don't have the brazilian flexi, but its cheap enough to find, if they don't gauge the shipping. one guy on discogs realised that, but i'm sure the rest would, if i asked them about shipping costs.

i also have the other cd promo you mentioned, just for completeness.

i have the regret 2x12 promo too.

but first bought the japanese republic, which has the two extra mixes (the long one is editted): https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Republic/release/831891

and the french fnac promo: https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Regret-The-Weatherall-Mixes/release/146228

and of course, there was a shorter edit on the 'retro' boxset.

anyways, i liked techno music, so both mixes were pretty good to me.

i have already ripped every vinyl track, and promo i have for remix projects, but i will have to find the files.

its just easier to use the CD rips, and add on the extra bit at the end, which is what i did for better quality.

later -1

perspexorange wrote: Rather than make a separate thread for all the things I was thinking of querying tonight (like my Confusion thread), I thought it might be a good idea to make a dedicated thread to add various choice items to talk about and discuss.

From 7" promos to freebie flexis. Flicker books to rulers. Lewie busts to paperweights.

So, onto my first item.

Talking of flexis, here's one that most people probably don't know about.

Bizz Magazine Flexi

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Blue-Monday-1988/release/1776158

This was given away with a Brazilian magazine called (you guessed it) 'Bizz'.

Here's the issue in question (I think, see below), along with images:

http://m-80rockbands.blogspot.com/2010/09/1988-new-order-revista-poster-bizz.html

Anyone speak Portuguese?

I have it, but can't rip it... I don't own a turntable for ages now. Plus, I always thought it was the regular 1988 7" anyway

I also have those magazines... they're not the one that came with the flexi, but they're pretty nice. My sister used to have a subscription

negative1 wrote: but first bought the japanese republic, which has the two extra mixes (the long one is editted): https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Republic/release/831891

I had no idea that the Japanese variant had these extra two tracks. I should check Discogs more often.

negative1 wrote:

and the french fnac promo: https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Regret-The-Weatherall-Mixes/release/146228

This looks a nice item. I'm quite tempted, as I do have a lot of CD promos, especially from the 'Republic' era. Cheapest price is £36 on Discogs, which is a bit steep, especially as I'm not that keen on the mixes.

negative1 wrote: i have already ripped every vinyl track, and promo i have for remix projects, but i will have to find the files.

Excellent! Thanks!

Mr. Disco wrote:

I have it, but can't rip it... I don't own a turntable for ages now. Plus, I always thought it was the regular 1988 7" anyway

I also have those magazines... they're not the one that came with the flexi, but they're pretty nice. My sister used to have a subscription

Wow! Well, there you go. My Swiss cheese memory is to blame. I obviously knew at the time that the flexi was on a separate magazine, but had forgotten that. I'm 100% sure I bought it attached to a magazine, so can only assume that, in my mind, I've merged the magazine with the flexi with one of the other magazines. I've definitely got one of the magazines, and may have the second.

Really nice to see the images of the flexi attached to the magazine. Many thanks for that.

As regards the mix, I'm pretty sure it is an edit. At least my 18 year old self logged it as a shorter edit.

Can't contribute much to this, the only couple oddities off the top of my head i own are the Tonpress Polish 7" with BM and TLU.Is that regarded as an oddity though? Maybe not.And one copy of the Benelux TPK 7".I have a Get Ready fold out card promo thing that i got from somewhere when the album was released.Round & Round micro CD.Nothing really rare though.

Fotz wrote: Can't contribute much to this, the only couple oddities off the top of my head i own are the Tonpress Polish 7" with BM and TLU.Is that regarded as an oddity though? Maybe not.And one copy of the Benelux TPK 7".I have a Get Ready fold out card promo thing that i got from somewhere when the album was released.Round & Round micro CD.Nothing really rare though.

Don't worry about rarity. Just post whatever takes your fancy.

As regards the Tonpress Blue Monday, does that contain an edited version of the song, or is it still the 7:29 version, but played at 33rpm?

I have something similar to your 'Get Ready' promo card. I can't remember if it folds out or not, but got it whilst standing in the queue waiting to get into the Liverpool Olympia gig in 2001.

^ Yep the Tonpress 7” has the standard versions of BM and TLU , so as they’re crammed onto a 7” the sound ain’t the best! Think I only ever played it once.

The Get Ready thing is a foldout card with images from the album sleeve and maybe one or two others , can’t remember for sure now .

The rare vinyl ones in my collection I can think of is the orange vinyl in order compilation.

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-In-Order/release/862776

The other one and most treasured one is the limited substance gatefold (factory employees one)

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-The-Gatefold-Substance/release/807050

Other ones is the shiny metallic Brotherhood Also original pressings of get ready and republic, WFTSC which seem quite sort after. Vinyl of video 586 on touched NOMC15 gatefold Xmas flexi Mark Reeder 7” mix given with Electronic music mag

Basically if it’s on vinyl and it’s new order I’ll have it or want it

CD wise the 3” R&R and squishy orange thing for republic are the only slightly rare ones I can think of

The Shadow wrote: The rare vinyl ones in my collection I can think of is the orange vinyl in order compilation.

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-In-Order/release/862776

The other one and most treasured one is the limited substance gatefold (factory employees one)

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-The-Gatefold-Substance/release/807050

Other ones is the shiny metallic Brotherhood Also original pressings of get ready and republic, WFTSC which seem quite sort after. Vinyl of video 586 on touched NOMC15 gatefold Xmas flexi Mark Reeder 7” mix given with Electronic music mag

Basically if it’s on vinyl and it’s new order I’ll have it or want it

CD wise the 3” R&R and squishy orange thing for republic are the only slightly rare ones I can think of

Never seen that orange vinyl 'In Order'. That's a bloody nice item.

I'd love to own the Gatefold Substance. One of these days...

I have that Touch 'Video 586' 12". Mine came with a postcard, if I remember correctly. I'm guessing it's ticked away in the sleeve. I also have the CD release of it. The original digipack version (apparently Touch released a jewel case variant a year or so later). I recall ringing up Touch on a payphone at my workplace and speaking to a guy who appeared to be a fan. Might have even been Jon Wozencroft.

I have both of those R&R & Republic CDs. Love both of them. Very cool indeed.

A couple of other cool CDs spring to mind. Those two CDVs that were released for True Faith and Blue Monday 1988:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/release/462979 https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Blue-Monday-1988/release/882345

When I first saw them in HMV Manchester, I snapped up True Faith immediately, but put off buying Blue Monday 1988. They were quite pricey, if I recall correctly (probably £10 each).

I chose True Faith based mainly on finally being able to have the 12" Remix on CD and also for 'Evil Dust' (which I hadn't clue what the Hell it was until I played it). Of course, I was also pleased that the '7" version' labelled as being on the disc was actually an exclusive edit of the remix (although I hated the edited chorus).

The Blue Monday 1988 disc looked fairly unremarkable to me, with all the audio tracks appearing to be exactly the same as the standard CD single. However, when I finally got around to purchasing it months later, I was pleased to hear that 'Beach Buggy 12"' was actually the Dub version (only available previously on vinyl) and the 7" version was a different (and exclusive) mix.

I've bought quite a lot of New Order promo CDs over the years. I had a bit of a purge on getting some of the later ones two or three years ago (I'd got a bit jaded with New Order in the 00s, so gave quite a few of the releases a bit of a miss at the time).

Anyway, I went and bought the Guilt Is A Useless Emotion promo CD single off Discogs for €12:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Guilt-Is-A-Useless-Emotion-Remixes/release/937116

When it arrived, upon examination, I noticed that it was a double disc tray. I lifted the tray to find this nestled under it; the Radio mixes:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Guilt-Is-A-Useless-Emotion-Radio-Mixes/release/7270211

That was a bit of good fortune. Both releases for about £15 (inc. postage). I'm guessing the seller had possibly bought it, along with a load of other CDs, from a fan, but hadn't noticed that the fan had stuck both CDs in the same case.

It's rare I get lucky like that. It kind of makes up for all the other times I've been screwed over by sellers in the past.

Oh i do have that True Faith CDV now you mention it.Snapped it up somewhere in late 80s.Dug it just now and gave it a spin.I'd forgotten that there's that exclusive 7" mix of the Pettibone remix.I'd also forgotten the way the chorus is butchered and misses a couple of lines out and seems to jump from "My morning sun is the drug that brings me near" to "that my life would depend on the morning sun".The "To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear/I used to think that the day would never come" is chopped out! Still, nice to have.

Nice to hear Evil Dust again , hadn't given that a spin in years.I already had that mix of Angel Dust at the time when i bought the CDV so i was familiar with it.It was originally on a various artists compilation vinyl that was released in late 1986, a month or two after Brotherhood but which i later sold with a bunch of other stuff in the late 80s as i was trying to get some money together. I figured it was one of a number of records i didn't really need anymore.Can't for the life of me remember what the album was called now.Think i'd first become aware of it through Melody Maker or something.What was the name of that compilation album??

Edit: Found it. It was this album- Funky Alternatives.That's the one i originally bought not longer after Brotherhood as it had an exclusive mix of Angel Dust.Crikey, looking at the tracklist there's a few other gems on there also. Like Chris & Cosey's October Love Song - i do not remember that being on there! Thought i'd never heard that cute little tune until more recent years.How odd.

I never bought the Blue Monday 88 CDV.I saw it numerous times on sale back in the day but i just didn't bother, probably because i was never a massive fan of BM 88.I didn't know that there's an exclusive 7" mix on it however.

I'm not sure i'd been aware that Video 586 was available on 12".I bought the digi pack CD around 1997.I'm assuming then that the 22 minute track is split over the two sides of the 12" ??...... Either that or it's a one sided vinyl

have both the orange vinyl 'in order', and the CD, when there were plenty of both on ebay, the cd is much cheaper and easier to find now.

the original pressings of the albums aren't worth as much now, since they've all been re-released on heavy vinyl, which is when i picked up the latter ones.

have video - prime 586 on vinyl (no its not one sided, it has a joy division track on the b-side) and on cd.

New Order ‎– Video 5-8-6 Label: Touch ‎– Tone 7.1 Format: Vinyl, 12", 33 ⅓ RPM, 45 RPM, Single Country: UK Released: 15 Sep 1997 Genre: Electronic Style: Electro, Synth-pop Tracklist A –New Order Video 5-8-6 22:25 B –Joy Division As You Said 2:01 Total Time: 24:26

also, have parts 1, 2, 3 on the various tapes and cds:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Touch-Sampler/release/242320 New Order Video 586 6:57

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Feature-Mist/release/308267 A2 –New Order Video 586 - 1 B4 –New Order Video 586 - 2

got the xmas flexi, and electronic sound mark reeder mix,

also, have the round and round singles all on vinyl, cd3, cd5, promos.

and the there are 2 republic vests, with different color ink on them.

there is the true faith 5 inch cdv, a US promo cd, and several later remixes of true faith promo cds, and vinyl also.

and have the blue monday cdv, the canadian CD5 with more mixes, the japanese CD3, and the UK cd5, and the vinyl versions, and promos too.

finally, i'm pretty sure i have 30-50 promo cd's from them US, UK, card sleeve, jewel boxes, slimline, but have to go through them at some point.

later -1

Speaking of 5-8-6 harder-to-finds, the Peel version also appeared on this 2012 vinyl release:

Which I recall was sort of released in a semi-official/grey area capacity until it promptly wasn't. I managed to grab one at the time.

Now a lot of collectors are chasing it and you can't trade it on Discogs.

Full Elegia there too.

i've lost count of how many bootleg unauthorized releases there are out there, and in fact never try to buy any.

but i didn't know this was bootleg until i bought it, i kept hoping it would be a real release, and it doesnt even sound that great:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Discreet-Campaigns/release/2878180

Various ‎– Discreet Campaigns Label: Rorschach Testing Product (2) ‎– ror 1 Format: 2 × Vinyl, LP, Compilation, Limited Edition, Unofficial Release Country: UK Released: 2011 Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: New Wave, Abstract, Industrial, Indie Rock, Experimental Tracklist

D4 –New Order Sunrise (Instrumental Rough Mix) 5:39 Total Time: 1:17:09

later -1

depthcharge wrote:

Which I recall was sort of released in a semi-official/grey area capacity until it promptly wasn't. I managed to grab one at the time.

...

Full Elegia there too.

Never seen this before. Thanks for posting.

Talking of ‘full length’ Elegia, apparently there’s an even longer version. Hooky mentioned having it on one of his weekly chats. He was apparently considering it for inclusion in the forthcoming Low Life set.

negative1 wrote:

but i didn't know this was bootleg until i bought it, i kept hoping it would be a real release, and it doesnt even sound that great:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Discreet-Campaigns/release/2878180

That’s really nice. Again, never knew about this.

Fotz wrote: I'd also forgotten the way the chorus is butchered and misses a couple of lines out and seems to jump from "My morning sun is the drug that brings me near" to "that my life would depend on the morning sun".The "To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear/I used to think that the day would never come" is chopped out! Still, nice to have.

Yeah, that always irked me. I remember someone once saying it was edited to remove drug references but, if that was the case, they took out the wrong line. So certainly not true.

It just sounds really jarring when listened to. It’s a shame as, apart from that, it’s a nice and short compact remix.

negative1 wrote: i've lost count of how many bootleg unauthorized releases there are out there, and in fact never try to buy any.

I'm pretty selective with bootlegs.

For me, there's still romance in some of the classic 80s live gigs pressed on vinyl with offbeat original sleeves, underground style. They're often pretty rare and go for a lot of money. At the time this was the only way you got to hear these shows. I have a nice stash of these.

In the past decade, the price of pressing vinyl has dropped a lot. To the point where there are hundreds of new pressings of old shows and demos that hold no value for me. Feels a bit soulless.

Then you get recent releases like this Substance that come in a multitude of colours and have many buyers believing they're authorised. The eBay seller never lets on and charges a heap for them.

negative1 wrote: Sunrise (Instrumental Rough Mix) 5:39

There was a 4:28 edit of Sunrise in this compilation too:

Debut LP Magazine - Issue 11, 1985

Can't recall offhand if it's just a fade-out.

These promos have exclusive edits as well - although the Round & Round one is also on the 7" US promo, I think

I also have a 2-track CD for Let's go somewhere, with both edits already released on the US (? the best of) and the 1963 CD single. And the 20 Years f New Order promo, featuring an exclusive mix of 60mph by Dave Kahne.

depthcharge wrote: Speaking of 5-8-6 harder-to-finds, the Peel version also appeared on this 2012 vinyl release:

Which I recall was sort of released in a semi-official/grey area capacity until it promptly wasn't. I managed to grab one at the time.

Now a lot of collectors are chasing it and you can't trade it on Discogs.

Full Elegia there too.

This is the one new order item I really want and as you say now discogs have removed no way to find it. I really want the full Elegia on vinyl. Anyone wanting to sell please PM me.

perspexorange wrote: Anyway, I went and bought the Guilt Is A Useless Emotion promo CD single off Discogs for €12:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Guilt-Is-A-Useless-Emotion-Remixes/release/937116

When it arrived, upon examination, I noticed that it was a double disc tray. I lifted the tray to find this nestled under it; the Radio mixes:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Guilt-Is-A-Useless-Emotion-Radio-Mixes/release/7270211

That was a bit of good fortune. Both releases for about £15 (inc. postage). I'm guessing the seller had possibly bought it, along with a load of other CDs, from a fan, but hadn't noticed that the fan had stuck both CDs in the same case.

It's rare I get lucky like that. It kind of makes up for all the other times I've been screwed over by sellers in the past.

Very good deal indeed... I only got the one with the extended mixes. Had to buy the official download of the edits at the time, assuming they wouldn't appear on CD

depthcharge wrote:

negative1 wrote: i've lost count of how many bootleg unauthorized releases there are out there, and in fact never try to buy any.

I'm pretty selective with bootlegs.

For me, there's still romance in some of the classic 80s live gigs pressed on vinyl with offbeat original sleeves, underground style. They're often pretty rare and go for a lot of money. At the time this was the only way you got to hear these shows. I have a nice stash of these.

Yeah - those bootlegs were fantastic back in the 80s/90s. Although I didn't buy a lot of them, I just used to love finding them tucked away in racks at small record shops / record fairs. Was always tempted to buy them and succumbed occasionally.

depthcharge wrote:

There was a 4:28 edit of Sunrise in this compilation too:

Can't recall offhand if it's just a fade-out.

Yep - it's an early fade. It starts to fade out just after Bernard starts his (vaguely incomprehensible) last vocal segment and finishes pretty much as soon as he delivers his last line.

Mr. Disco wrote: These promos have exclusive edits as well - although the Round & Round one is also on the 7" US promo, I think

Yeah - I have all three of these. I liked that 'Round & Round' edit at the time. Not because it was particularly special. Just because it felt 'exclusive'.

I love your signed 'Blue Monday-95' promo. Wish mine was the same. Sadly it isn't.

Mr. Disco wrote:

I also have a 2-track CD for Let's go somewhere, with both edits already released on the US (? the best of) and the 1963 CD single. And the 20 Years f New Order promo, featuring an exclusive mix of 60mph by Dave Kahne.

I've got the '20 Years' one, but my 'Let's Go' is just a one track version. Was there a two track one? I do love the one that I have, due to it being a picture CD. Wish it had a cover as well though.

perspexorange wrote:

I've got the '20 Years' one, but my 'Let's Go' is just a one track version. Was there a two track one? I do love the one that I have, due to it being a picture CD. Wish it had a cover as well though.

I might be wrong on that one. Can't find the disc anywhere right now

perspexorange wrote:

depthcharge wrote:

There was a 4:28 edit of Sunrise in this compilation too:

Can't recall offhand if it's just a fade-out.

Yep - it's an early fade. It starts to fade out just after Bernard starts his (vaguely incomprehensible) last vocal segment and finishes pretty much as soon as he delivers his last line.

There's actually a little bit of extra music between the first "chorus" (assuming those synth chords count as a chorus without any lyrics) and before the second "Why did you never speak my name...' verse. It's shortened on 'Low-life'

Mr Discography wrote:

There's actually a little bit of extra music between the first "chorus" (assuming those synth chords count as a chorus without any lyrics) and before the second "Why did you never speak my name...' verse. It's shortened on 'Low-life'

You're right! Well spotted, sir!

I wonder if there are other bits cut out of the Edit earlier in the mix; according to my iTunes, that 'lead in' to the second verse starts at 2:37 on the LP version and at 2:08 on the Edit, which seems to point to something missing earlier on in the Edit.

As you pointed out, the lead in to the second verse is shorter on the LP version (13 seconds, 2:37-2:50) compared to the Edit (25 seconds, 2:08-2:33).

If I was a cleverer man, I could do some sort of graphical analysis of the two tunes. But I'm a bit of a 'thickie', so I won't. If anyone else wants to give it a go, I'd be interested to see the results.

perspexorange wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

There's actually a little bit of extra music between the first "chorus" (assuming those synth chords count as a chorus without any lyrics) and before the second "Why did you never speak my name...' verse. It's shortened on 'Low-life'

You're right! Well spotted, sir!

I wonder if there are other bits cut out of the Edit earlier in the mix; according to my iTunes, that 'lead in' to the second verse starts at 2:37 on the LP version and at 2:08 on the Edit, which seems to point to something missing earlier on in the Edit.

As you pointed out, the lead in to the second verse is shorter on the LP version (17 seconds, 2:37-2:50) compared to the Edit (25 seconds, 2:08-2:33).

If I was a cleverer man, I could do some sort of graphical analysis of the two tunes. But I'm a bit of a 'thickie', so I won't. If anyone else wants to give it a go, I'd be interested to see the results.

Seem to recall the single, slow, low synth notes right at the start play for a shorter time before Hooky's bass starts up on the Debut Magazine version. So the intro is shorter, but the music before verse two is longer, with the early fade making it shorter overall than the Low-life version

I was able to sync up the two and play them at the same time.

While the music bed is largely the same for both, the instrumental rough mix adds more guitar riffing where the vocals would start.

Also, it's obvious they edited together different takes, because the beat goes out of sync in a couple of sections of the instrumental mix, but then gets back in sync for other sections. The most obvious place is the guitar scrape into the full band. The instrumental take is not double-tracked, and runs a split second too long.

Oh, and the obvious faster fade.

Remembered I have this. Not of much interest but an official release if nothing else. Album called Like A Girl, I Want You To Keep Coming. One New Order track included - a live version of Sister Ray ( ok a cover version, not a NO song) recorded in Sao Paulo 1st Dec 1988. Bought the CD sometime around 1989 I think.

50poundnote wrote: I was able to sync up the two and play them at the same time.

While the music bed is largely the same for both, the instrumental rough mix adds more guitar riffing where the vocals would start.

Also, it's obvious they edited together different takes, because the beat goes out of sync in a couple of sections of the instrumental mix, but then gets back in sync for other sections. The most obvious place is the guitar scrape into the full band. The instrumental take is not double-tracked, and runs a split second too long.

Oh, and the obvious faster fade.

Thanks for doing this. I should mention though that we were talking about the ‘edit’ version that was on the 10” LP given away with ‘Debut’ magazine, issue 11:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Debut-LP-Magazine-Issue-11/release/917525

rather than the ‘instrumental rough mix’ given away with the ‘Discreet Campaigns’ cassette magazine:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Discreet-Campaigns/master/400971

Despite comments on that top Discogs link, the ‘edit’ version isn’t an instrumental, but a vocal version.

That being said, I hadn’t noticed the beat going out of sync. I’ll give the ‘instrumental rough mix’ another listen today and listen out for the bits you refer to. Thanks for the info..

Fotz wrote: Remembered I have this. Not of much interest but an official release if nothing else. Album called Like A Girl, I Want You To Keep Coming. One New Order track included - a live version of Sister Ray ( ok a cover version, not a NO song) recorded in Sao Paulo 1st Dec 1988. Bought the CD sometime around 1989 I think.

Although I first heard about this LP whilst reading a Record Collector article in 1990-1, I only got hold of it about 2-3 years ago.

It’s a pretty intriguing little curiosity, with a distinctly odd choice for the New Order track. ‘Sister Ray’? If you wanted to include a track by the band, you’d think they’d have picked something a bit better known and more representative of their sound.

I will also say that I really hate both the cover art and the name of the compilation. It seems like they were trying to be ‘edgy’ and controversial.

Still, an interesting oddity.

^ Yep, always thought that myself about that CD. Horrible title and horrible artwork!

Got it; great audio, hopefully the full gig would be featured on the Technique box? All of those shows in Brazil were recorded

Mr. Disco wrote: All of those shows in Brazil were recorded

Soundboard recordings? Wow. Didn't know that.

I guess it makes sense that most of the later gigs would've been recorded.

You're still Out Of My League. I used to be a vinyl completist and only bought other formats if they had exclusives - so I didn't ''need'' the Regret CD but tracked down all the RIAD releases. I gave up years ago for practical reasons (storage, moving house etc), plus I was sick of London's oldie to newbie rate. I'm nowhere near as passionate as I used to be, and YouTube has the proverbiale kitchen sink. Didn't bother with the Redpubelick CD cos there was nothing on it except the (mediocre) album, which they'd already done to death. I got the Video 586 12" and yeah, It had As You Said on the Bside and a postcard of the same image as the Fart and Sole box shit, which came out at the same timeish. The CD just had the Aside. The funny part is I've never played it cos I didn't have a turntable and when I left the country I left it with my ''''family'''', so it's probably been chucked out. I only had the Featuremist edit and didn't hear the full version till the Be Music compilation a year ago. I read that Record Collector article too and assumed the Sister Ray was the One I had on the Demos, Outtakes and Rarities cassette, but it ain't. I'd rather have this than another Blue Monday mic but you're right, the title and cover are trying too hard. There was also an Oz's Live and Dangerous mix (not really a mix) on the New Order The Remix boot, and of course the BBC Radio 1 Live release.

Come to think (that's my brain in reverse), I also got the JD flexi through mail order, featuring the instrumental, which wasn't compiled till Tart and Hole, plus the 1990 Cumfusion 12". In fact I had pretty much all the vinyl from JD through those iffy off-shoots to Raise the Pisser, and it'd be worth about a Grand, especially after Factory went bust, but even if it hasn't been chucked out, poor condition has an enormous effective on value. I'd only spend the money on Special Brew and whores anyway. Then there was the Record Mirror Subculture mix, but without the actual mag, and again, it's in poor nick. I picked it up at the local flea market, with another freebie featuring the Per Shop Boys' In the Night. Arthur Baker transformed that track.

this one is still around, and not that hard to find, palatine lane, with the intermedes... or the happy one. you can digitally create it by combining them from here or the laserdisc:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Palatine-Lane/release/435836

Various ‎– Palatine Lane Label: Factory ‎– FAC 303 Format: CD, Promo, Compilation Country: France Released: 1991 Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: Synth-pop, Indie Rock Tracklist 1 –New Order Intermede Musical N°1 0:34 2 –Joy Division Transmission 3:39 3 –New Order Intermede Musical N°2 0:19 4 –A Certain Ratio Shack Up 3:16 5 –New Order Intermede Musical N°3 0:17 6 –Stockholm Monsters Partyline 5:52 7 –New Order Intermede Musical N°4 0:19 8 –Northside (2) Rising Star 6:29 9 –New Order Intermede Musical N°5 0:19 10 –Cath Carroll Moves Like You 4:13 11 –New Order Intermede Musical N°6 1:00 Total Time: 26:17

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Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf...

I don't have this. And I'm not sure why.

Edit - I do now. Just purchased a (hopefully) mint copy on Discogs. £30 inc. postage.

I love the fact that they couldn't even be arsed to complete the Happy One but still gave it THREE airings: Other Side of Midnight, Substance 89 and Palatine Lane. Then there was Let's Go, which they considered too weak for an album featuring Face Up, and then used for Salvation, 1963-95, US Best Of and the Brotherhood remaster. It's clear they put it on the Best Of not cos it is indeed worthy, but cos it was the closest they could get to a newbie - like Hellbent on Scrotal. It's the same mentality that puts unreleased tracks on Hits Compilations (DUH) or Move Over Miss L on The John Lennon Collection: hardly 'Plastic Ono Band' fodder but the bastards knew fans would be missing a five-year-old Bside.

Since we're talking about promos and stuff here, I have to say the radio edit for Restless remains my favourite version, so much better than both single, album and extended versions any time.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I love the fact that they couldn't even be arsed to complete the Happy One but still gave it THREE airings

Pretty sure that was down to Tony Wilson, who loved it. He found a way to get it out there even though it wasn't finished.

Tony was a magnificent human being. Sorely missed.

perspexorange wrote: I don't have this. And I'm not sure why.

Edit - I do now. Just purchased a (hopefully) mint copy on Discogs. £30 inc. postage.

this thread might end up costing a fortune, if people start buying things,

i'll take the blame.

but i do like when people point out things that i don't have, as long as they are relatively cheap.

the brotherhood box was kind of expensive, and i'm sure the other items brought up will set me back a lot too, but thats from me not knowing about them, or not having the funds to get the items when they came out.

a lot of them are promo items, which would have never been in most stores anyways.

or in foreign countries, and magazines, or stores... your mileage may vary.

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Jcp7 wrote: Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf...

hopefully you'll find it, but if needed there are several copies still out there for purchase.

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negative1 wrote:

i'll take the blame.

So you should!

You've spurred me into action!

negative1 wrote:

Jcp7 wrote: Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf...

hopefully you'll find it, but if needed there are several copies still out there for purchase.

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Yes I hope. I'm pretty sure this CD is very near another promo CD in a cardboard sleeve. I think it's a Revenge CD (true passion 2.0 sampler...).

Jcp7 wrote:

negative1 wrote:

Jcp7 wrote: Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf...

hopefully you'll find it, but if needed there are several copies still out there for purchase.

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Yes I hope. I'm pretty sure this CD is very near another promo CD in a cardboard sleeve. I think it's a Revenge CD (true passion 2.0 sampler...).

i've taken out tons of cd's from card sleeves and put them in other cases, and with other cd's, it's driving me crazy trying to find them now.

especially with the 3 inch ones.

luckily i keep all the new order ones together, so i only have to go through 100 cd singles, or more to find something. i don't mix up electronic, revenge, new order, bernard sumner, etc. then it would be a real mess.

luckily i haven't lost an actual cd, i just can't find where i put them. ha ha.

now, with these posts, i'm forced to go back and dig them out.

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speaking of the happy one, i didn't get the substance laserdisc, because i got the 'best of' later on.

but it did have the happy one on it. https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Substance-1989/release/4770280

New Order ‎– Substance 1989 Label: Virgin Vision ‎– TELP-42036 Format: Laserdisc, 12", Compilation, NTSC Country: Japan Released: 21 May 1991 Genre: Electronic Style: New Wave, Electro, Synth-pop TracklistShow Credits 1 Confusion 3:57 2 The Perfect Kiss 9:29 3 Shellshock 3:15 4 Bizarre Love Triangle 3:54 5 True Faith 4:24 6 Touched By The Hand Of God 4:19 7 Blue Monday 1988 4:07 Total Time: 33:25

this is one i have: https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-The-Best-Of-NewOrder/release/1710222

NewOrder* ‎– (The Best Of) NewOrder Label: PolyGram Video ‎– POLD - 1011 Format: Laserdisc, NTSC, Compilation Country: Japan Released: 25 Jan 1995 Genre: Electronic Style: Synth-pop TracklistShow Credits A1 TrueFaith-94 A2 Regret A3 Run A4 Bizarre Love Triangle A5 Fine Time A6 The Perfect Kiss A7 Shellshock A8 Confusion A9 Blue Monday-88 B1 Round & Round-94 B2 World B3 Ruined In A Day B4 State Of The Nation B5 Touched By The Hand Of God B6 World In Motion B7 Spooky B8 True Faith B9 Round & Round "Patti"

one i wish i did have, is the 'pumped full of drugs':

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Pumped-Full-Of-Drugs/release/5955799

New Order ‎– Pumped Full Of Drugs Label: Columbia ‎– 78C58-6098, Factory ‎– 78C58-6098 Format: Laserdisc, 12", Single Sided, NTSC, CLV Country: Japan Released: 21 Aug 1985 Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: Synth-pop Tracklist A1 Confusion 5:16 A2 Love Vigilantes 4:21 A3 We All Stand 4:34 A4 As It Is When It Was 4:54 A5 Subculture 4:40 A6 Face Up 5:26 A7 Sunrise 5:33 Encore A8 This Time Of Night 4:54 A9 Blue Monday 7:55 Total Time: 47:33

i do have the neworder story though:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-NewOrder-Story/release/3890438

NewOrder* ‎– NewOrder Story Label: PolyGram Video ‎– POLD-1007/8 Format: All Media, Compilation Laserdisc, 12", NTSC Laserdisc, 12", Single Sided, NTSC Country: Japan Released: 1993 Genre: Electronic, Non-Music Style: Interview, House, Electro, Synth-pop Tracklist A1 –Joy Division Transmission A2 –Joy Division Love Will Tear Us Apart A3 –New Order Ceremony A4 –New Order Temptation A5 –New Order Blue Monday A6 –New Order Touched By The Hand Of God A7 –New Order Bizarre Love Triangle A8 –New Order Confusion A9 –New Order Shellshock B1 –New Order State Of The Nation B2 –New Order Perfect Kiss B3 –New Order True Faith B4 –New Order Round & Round B5 –New Order World In Motion B6 –New Order Fine Time B7 –New Order Regret C1 –New Order Temptation C2 –New Order Everyone Everywhere C3 –New Order Ruined In A Day C4 –New Order World C5 –Joy Division Atmosphere

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here are my two discs:

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Been meaning to ask about these for a while, so this thread is a good chance to. (You can see a slightly larger photo here.)

Retro signed

Picked them up years ago, on auction I think. The discs are CD-R promos for Retro, which themselves are not too uncommon or valuable.

But I've never seen signed inserts besides these ones I bought.

I'm no expert, but the signatures look pretty authentic?

Anyone know if these were part of a promotion or something?

FACt. It's more fun collecting New Order than listening to it.

Occidental wrote: I'm no expert, but the signatures look pretty authentic?

They do to me...

I have an extremely rare copy of Unknown Pleasures. Unsigned by Peter Hook.

Yep - those signatures definitely look real to me. Very nice items.

Love those laser discs too, negative1.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: FACt. It's more fun collecting New Order than listening to it.

The truth in that statement is that someone that collects 100% of everything from a single group, but only moderate amounts of releases from others is going to suffer from diminishing returns at some point. Unless you're listening to (or gazing at/caressing) it to the exclusion of others artists, you're probably overdoing it. Diversify.

Andy wrote:

The truth in that statement is that someone that collects 100% of everything from a single group, but only moderate amounts of releases from others is going to suffer from diminishing returns at some point. Unless you're listening to (or gazing at/caressing) it to the exclusion of others artists, you're probably overdoing it. Diversify.

i think it's a lot more fun collecting new order than listening also, because besides the boxsets, they really haven't put out anything worth listening to after brotherhood. (beyond an initial time or two)

YES, the singles, remixes, etc, etc. but that's still not much to get.

so, once you get the album tracks, if you're not interested in the singles or mixes, there really isnt much else to get.

if you do get the singles, b-sides, soundtracks, and miscallaneous projects, videos, that covers most of their output too.

it's all the crazy formats, foreign pressings, colored vinyl, record store tracks, boxes, and other things that make it fun.

i don't bother talking about the music anymore, unless its the demos, because there really isnt anything of note. not a whole was said about 'be a rebel', that hasn't been said before.

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Quote: 'they really haven't put out anything worth listening to after brotherhood' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW7skJLjTJY

here's the collection of the 3inch mini cd singles i have..

touched by the hand of God, blue monday 88, round and remix, and world in motion(german)

are there any others out there besides promo's. not sure.

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I didn't know there was a 3"CD for World In Motion in a standard jewel case!

negative1 wrote: are there any others out there besides promo's. not sure.

Those are the only CD3s. I collect them (have 200+).

50poundnote wrote:

negative1 wrote: are there any others out there besides promo's. not sure.

Those are the only CD3s. I collect them (have 200+).

Do you have both the japanese 3 inch cd promos.

Have never seen them, or they are incredibly expensive to buy.

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I also have this german Rough Trade CD3:

Came in a regular CD5 jewel case

negative1 wrote: Do you have both the japanese 3 inch cd promos.

Have never seen them, or they are incredibly expensive to buy.

No, I don't generally collect promo items.

Mr. Disco wrote: I also have this german Rough Trade CD3:

Came in a regular CD5 jewel case

Nice, will have to add that to the things I need to look for, once i get up to those singles. I missed out on a lot of european singles, since I already had the US/UK and Canadian versions. So back then, i thought they were redundant.

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The 3" CD of Round and round was worth it for a so-calledb12" mix that wasn't the 12" vinyl. In typical NO style, this gem was harder to find than the G-spot while crud like Jizzstream gets released again and again.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: The 3" CD of Round and round was worth it for a so-calledb12" mix that wasn't the 12" vinyl. In typical NO style, this gem was harder to find than the G-spot while crud like Jizzstream gets released again and again.

Which 3" exactly?

Don't forget this German 3" of course

! 23

Occidental wrote: Don't forget this German 3" of course

! 23

that was just mentioned up 2 posts from this.

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This German 3" does not have the 12" mix, if that's the post you're referring to. Only the Club and Detroit mixes. The other German 3" had the 12" mix.

Mr. Disco wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: The 3" CD of Round and round was worth it for a so-calledb12" mix that wasn't the 12" vinyl. In typical NO style, this gem was harder to find than the G-spot while crud like Jizzstream gets released again and again.

Which 3" exactly?

https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/887095243?ev=bp\_img

Yep, the Twelve Inch Mix (as opposed to the 12" Version on the other single).

It was available on this promo single which had unique artwork.

Because the titles get so confusing I think we subtitled it the Ben Grosse mix for Recycle.

Just played it... it's the same "12" Remix" on the regular US maxi, right?

https://www.discogs.com/Neworder-Roundround/release/28841

Yep!

Occidental wrote: This German 3" does not have the 12" mix, if that's the post you're referring to. Only the Club and Detroit mixes. The other German 3" had the 12" mix.

oh, ok, there was a mixup on that one, because it said 2 mixes on the sleeve, but there was a third on the disc.

Marketed and distributed by Rough Trade Records GmbH. Published by Bemusic/Warner Bros Music

Track 3 is not mentioned on the artwork.

DARNIT, one more thing to get. haha

*actually 3 more, apparently they were released in australia also

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The first US True Faith promo used to be special until it's exclusive edited original version was issued on Total, back in 2011.

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/release/143386

The 2001 promo still intrigues me, since I've never got hold of the 12". How does the Pink Noise I've Taken Too Much Dub sound? It seems to be exclusive to this particular 12", being absent on the other ones?

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/release/263572

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/release/141703

Tf2001 promo CD nightmare:

https://www.discogs.com/fr/New-Order-True-Faith-Morels-Pink-Noise-Remix/release/14010038

https://www.discogs.com/fr/New-Order-True-Faith-Morels-Pink-Noise-Remixes/release/6232856

https://www.discogs.com/fr/New-Order-True-Faith-Philip-Steirs-Re-Order-Mix/release/8687174

https://www.discogs.com/fr/New-Order-True-Faith/release/263572

I own the last one only.

Jcp7 wrote: Tf2001 promo CD nightmare:

https://www.discogs.com/fr/New-Order-True-Faith-Morels-Pink-Noise-Remix/release/14010038

Fortunately(?!) this edit was included on the bonus 5th CD of Retro

Mr. Disco wrote: How does the Pink Noise I've Taken Too Much Dub sound? It seems to be exclusive to this particular 12", being absent on the other ones?

Pretty unremarkable. Rich Morel doesn't even have a copy of it anymore.

Promo mixes can be regarded as thus: the fewer times it appears across formats, the less interesting it is.*

I'm sure Warners only stuck it out there because they'd paid for it.

* The exception being Martin Buttrich's 2005 remix of Everything's Gone Green. It's my favorite New Order remix ever, and criminal that it never saw a commercial release.

I wouldn't mind a FLAC, tho...

Mr. Disco wrote: The first US True Faith promo used to be special until it's exclusive edited original version was issued on Total, back in 2011.

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/release/143386

The 2001 promo still intrigues me, since I've never got hold of the 12". How does the Pink Noise I've Taken Too Much Dub sound? It seems to be exclusive to this particular 12", being absent on the other ones?

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/release/263572

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/release/141703

i have all of these, and digitized somewhere, maybe in a decade i'll be able to dig up the digital files, its actually easier for me to find the physical versions, since i'm clearing up and sorting out my collection.

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Sadly I don't have any of the 2001 True Faith promos. I wish I did.

The only mixes I haven't personally heard are:

Philip Steir Re-Order Mix Vocal Edit Philip Steir Re-Order Mix Vocal Up Morel's Pink Noise My Fear Of Dub Mix

Philip Steir Re-Order Mix VOCAL /VOCAL EDIT.. are they actually any different from the the Philip Steir Re-Order Mix and Edit Mix ? Same run times ..?

Hmmm, I've got them listed as different on my spreadsheet, but can't remember where I got this information. Maybe they aren't and I just assumed they were several years ago.

They're on this release (linked to above by Jcp7):

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith-Philip-Steirs-Re-Order-Mix/release/8687174

Philip Steir's Re-Order Mix - Vocal Up (8:16) Philip Steir's Re-Order Mix - Video Edit (5:45)

Maybe they are just the first two tracks on here:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/release/263572

Philip Steir Edit (5:45) Philip Steir Re-Order Mix (8:15)

Note the similarities in times.

I think the 'My Fear Of Dub Mix' mix is unique though, as the only one with a similar track time is the 'I've Taken Too Much Dub' mix, which are both on the same release, here:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith-Morels-Pink-Noise-Remixes/release/6232856

I think someone may have just downloaded this from me, if your user name on Soulseek has a bunch of 7s in it.

True Faith '01

That's my own custom artwork, taking the '87 sleeve and reimagining it as the stripe on all the 2001-2002 releases.

perspexorange wrote:

Philip Steir's Re-Order Mix - Vocal Up (8:16) Philip Steir's Re-Order Mix - Video Edit (5:45)

Maybe they are just the first two tracks on here:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith/release/263572

Philip Steir Edit (5:45) Philip Steir Re-Order Mix (8:15)

Note the similarities in times.

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-True-Faith-Morels-Pink-Noise-Remixes/release/6232856

You're right, it's probably the same tracks. But why one of them is called "video edit"? AFAIK, no video were made in 2001.

Yep - it's very perplexing. Maybe they were going to do a video, and just never got around to it.

I've never really been sure of the story for these remixes. Was there an intention for the band to properly release 'True Faith' again in 2001, and the idea got nixed (after the remixes had been commissioned)? If so, that could be the reason why a video edit was made, to promote the release on MTV / VH1 etc.

Anyway, I've struck those two off my list - I reckon they're bound to be the same as the standard two mixes.

Anyone heard the 'My Fear Of Dub Mix'? Any good?

perspexorange wrote:

Anyone heard the 'My Fear Of Dub Mix'? Any good?

Unfortunately no. Never found it on Soulseek.

perspexorange wrote: I've never really been sure of the story for these remixes.

It was done to raise their profile in the US, where their last official release had been The Best Of 6 years earlier. Get people dancing to them, thinking "oh hey, New Order" before rolling out the single for Crystal and the campaign for Get Ready.

I wouldn't be too bothered by the variations of names - they're just promo. Not intended for the public. Maybe the label thought they'd put together a video for it, but by that stage MTV had almost stopped playing videos and YouTube didn't exist. It would've ended up being one of those promo VHS mix tapes sent to clubs. It probably would've been re-edited footage from the original 1987 video, with bad early '00s effects added. Not worth the time or effort if DJs and record pools weren't jumping for the promo.

I never once heard it in a club. A friend who worked the counter at one of the local record stores saved their promo copy and gave it to me.

Don't forget, this is a business. They were on a major label. The band probably had very little input, apart from approving the mixes they liked. The label would've chosen the song, the remixers - pretty much everything. Most UK bands tend to shrug it off and let the Americans do whatever they think is best for the market over here.

perspexorange wrote: Yep - it's very perplexing. Maybe they were going to do a video, and just never got around to it.

I've never really been sure of the story for these remixes. Was there an intention for the band to properly release 'True Faith' again in 2001, and the idea got nixed (after the remixes had been commissioned)? If so, that could be the reason why a video edit was made, to promote the release on MTV / VH1 etc.

Anyway, I've struck those two off my list - I reckon they're bound to be the same as the standard two mixes.

Anyone heard the 'My Fear Of Dub Mix'? Any good?

i remember it being very similar to the other mixes, didn't stand out.

again, one of these days, i'll find the file or re-digitize it.

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50poundnote wrote:

It was done to raise their profile in the US, where their last official release had been The Best Of 6 years earlier. Get people dancing to them, thinking "oh hey, New Order" before rolling out the single for Crystal and the campaign for Get Ready.

I wouldn't be too bothered by the variations of names - they're just promo. Not intended for the public. Maybe the label thought they'd put together a video for it, but by that stage MTV had almost stopped playing videos and YouTube didn't exist. It would've ended up being one of those promo VHS mix tapes sent to clubs. It probably would've been re-edited footage from the original 1987 video, with bad early '00s effects added. Not worth the time or effort if DJs and record pools weren't jumping for the promo.

I never once heard it in a club. A friend who worked the counter at one of the local record stores saved their promo copy and gave it to me.

Don't forget, this is a business. They were on a major label. The band probably had very little input, apart from approving the mixes they liked. The label would've chosen the song, the remixers - pretty much everything. Most UK bands tend to shrug it off and let the Americans do whatever they think is best for the market over here.

Thanks. That certainly makes sense.

It just seems odd that they didn't officially release it, even as a limited edition. The only things that made it out (not counting that bonus track on 'Retro') were the various promos and they're rarer than rocking horse poo .

Seems a reasonable amount of cash to invest for very few people to ever get to hear the mixes.

perspexorange wrote: Seems a reasonable amount of cash to invest for very few people to ever get to hear the mixes.

I'm friends with Rich Morel. Trust me, he and Philip were not paid a lot. At best Warners would have considered New Order a niche band after 6 years without a release and 8 years after their last studio album. Republic only sold 382,000 copies here. The Best Of probably sold half of that. They only hit the Top 40 twice (True Faith, Regret), and they only toured a handful of dates in major markets. They had one new song on a soundtrack to a film that got panned, and it didn't gain any traction at radio.

I know we all have a fairly rosy view of the Factory years, but Warner Brothers is not Factory.

All totaled the label probably spent less that $2,000 for the mixes, pressing up vinyl and CD-Rs, and sending them out. That's nothing to a major label, and would have been considered part of the marketing budget for Get Ready.

Remember, Philip Steir had been a member of Consolidated, which was very much an underground band. Rich wasn't even in a band at that point, and had only done a few remixes (Pet Shop Boys, Deep Dish). We're not talking Oakenfold, Weatherall, Osborne, or whatever crap DJs were the highest paid remixers in 2001.

What I'm saying is, you need to be more cynical. :)

We approach the band as fans and can't understand why everything they release isn't revered and given the full Saville treatment, etc.

The label approaches the band as a commodity, and considers most of their output to be disposable because it's not competing with top 10 U.S. albums of 2001:

Beatles - 1 (over 2 million sales in 5 weeks) Shaggy Backstreet Boys Various Artists - Now 5 Limp Bizkit Linkin Park Staind Enya 'N Sync Nelly

Jesus Christ, popular music sucked.

Is the Saville Soundtrack considered an oddity? Possibly my favourite instrumental (heresy, I know)

50poundnote wrote:

We approach the band as fans and can't understand why everything they release isn't revered and given the full Saville treatment, etc.

You're right, of course.

I just think the 'release' (such as it was) was a bit half-arsed and it just makes you think, 'why bother?'.

I doubt more than a few hundred people have ever heard any of these mixes. And probably only just a handful back in 2001.

Mr. Disco wrote: Is the Saville Soundtrack considered an oddity? Possibly my favourite instrumental (heresy, I know)

Definitely an oddity!!

Heresy, indeed! Elegia all the way!

perspexorange wrote: I just think the 'release' (such as it was) was a bit half-arsed and it just makes you think, 'why bother?'.

It wasn't intended for you. It wasn't a 'release.' It was promotional material, plain and simple.

It was a gamble in the American marketplace to see if they could goose the band's sales and to get people thinking about them before Get Ready was released.

50poundnote wrote:

It wasn't intended for you. It wasn't a 'release.' It was promotional material, plain and simple.

It was a gamble in the American marketplace to see if they could goose the band's sales and to get people thinking about them before Get Ready was released.

I get that it wasn't for me.

But why such limited numbers? Surely, if so few people heard the mixes, there was very little chance that anyone was going to be 'thinking about' New Order.

perspexorange wrote: But why such limited numbers? Surely, if so few people heard the mixes, there was very little chance that anyone was going to be 'thinking about' New Order.

IT WASN'T FOR THE PUBLIC. It was for DJs, who might play it, or might play something else like Blue Monday instead. You get the influencers thinking about New Order, then they play them in a club, or on college radio, or maybe one of their "hits" in select radio markets.

It wasn't a proper single release. I'm sure Warners had no expectation that lots of people were going to hear mixes the label paid a couple hundred bucks for.

It's advertising. It's awareness. It's something slightly more interesting than a print ad. For the U.S. market only.

You're overthinking it.

50poundnote wrote:

IT WASN'T FOR THE PUBLIC.

...

You're overthinking it.

Crikey!

I'm not sure if this is passive aggressive, or just plain aggressive.

We're all friends here.

As I stated in my previous post, I realised that the release 'wasn't for me' (i.e. the general public). My point was that there seemed to be so few of these out there, that it didn't seem particularly effective - whatever the company's intention.

But it's fine. You answered my question with something that makes sense and I appreciate that. Thank you.

Dug out that Tonpress 7” of BM/TLU. Not that rare I guess. Picked it up at one of those record fairs at Birmingham NEC I think in late 90s. Don’t recall paying much for it. On the back of sleeve it has 73/93. The 73 i guess is a nod to BM’s FAC 73 but if so then the 93 should really be 103 as in TLU’s FAC 103? As it’s the full length of both songs the sound is bloody awful squashed on to a 7”.

Fotz wrote: Dug out that Tonpress 7” of BM/TLU. Not that rare I guess. Picked it up at one of those record fairs at Birmingham NEC I think in late 90s. Don’t recall paying much for it. On the back of sleeve it has 73/93. The 73 i guess is a nod to BM’s FAC 73 but if so then the 93 should really be 103 as in TLU’s FAC 103? As it’s the full length of both songs the sound is bloody awful squashed on to a 7”.

has anyone managed to track one of these down, its rarer than the japanese 7 inch, which i've seen several times on ebay:

PL 1988 7 inch

( Tonpress DS-25-A )[Promo Only 60 copies] 5 : 05 Blue Monday

later -1

first up,

the 3 cardsleeve canadian cd-singles (with more mixes than the US/UK/Japan versions).

there are 4 slimline ones, i only have 2 of those..

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Blue-Monday-1988/release/553448

NewOrder* ?– Blue Monday 1988 Label: Factory ?– 870 354-2 Format: CD, EP, Card Sleeve Country: Canada Released: 1988 Genre: Electronic, Pop Style: Electro, Synth-pop

Tracklist 1 Blue Monday 1988 (12" Mix) 7:10 2 Blue Monday 1988 (Dub Version) 7:21 3 Touched By The Hand Of God (Single Version) 3:46 4 Blue Monday 1988 (Single Version) 4:12 5 Touched By The Hand Of God (Dub Version) 5:32 Total Time: 28:01

https://www.discogs.com/Neworder-Fine-Time/release/344067

Neworder* ?– Fine Time Label: Factory ?– 827 277-2 Format: CD, EP, Card Sleeve Country: Canada Released: 1988 Genre: Electronic Style: House, Synth-pop

TracklistShow Credits 1 Fine Time 3:08 2 Don't Do It 4:30 3 Fine Line 4:43 4 Fine Time (Silk Mix) 6:15 5 Fine Time (Messed Around Mix) 4:35 Total Time: 23:11

https://www.discogs.com/Neworder-Roundround/release/4015

Neworder* ?– Round&round Label: Factory ?– 874 079-2 Format: CD, Single, Card Sleeve Country: Canada Released: 1989 Genre: Electronic, Pop Style: House, Synth-pop

TracklistShow Credits 1 Round & Round 3:54 2 Round & Round (Extended Version) 6:39 3 Best And Marsh 4:32 4 Round & Round (The Club Mix) 7:07 5 Round & Round (The Detroit Mix) 6:29 Total Time: 28:41

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ok, one last post today for catching up on various things:

we got from brussels with love - kevin hewick new order haystack, touch sampler - video 586 edit uk and us electroset - how does it feel, and like a girl compilations

will post more info about the first two later on.

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negative1 wrote:

has anyone managed to track one of these down, its rarer than the japanese 7 inch, which i've seen several times on ebay:

PL 1988 7 inch

( Tonpress DS-25-A )[Promo Only 60 copies] 5 : 05 Blue Monday

later -1

Never got hold of one of those, no.Very very VERY rare, apparently.Anyone know if the edit is sections cut out or simply the start and/or end cut off?

Mr. Disco wrote: Is the Saville Soundtrack considered an oddity? Possibly my favourite instrumental (heresy, I know)

I love it too.

I recall waking up early to call the Exhibiting museum to order my copies (I gave one to a friend). It was originally supposed to be limited to 3000 copies, but don't quote me on that. I have heard that there was little to no input from Bernard. Primarily composed by Hooky and Steve (while Bernard was busy working on lyrics for other tracks, perhaps?).

And that makes Stephen the only New Order member to be present in every studio recording session for all the releases. Even the one with the session drummer hired by Stephen Hague

I read that Video 586 was mainly Bernard and Steve too. If they used a session musician on Refucklic It was a lucky escape.

from brussels with love: haystack with kevin hewick

and here's what i think it would have sounded like with just new order:

later -1

I first heard Hayprick on the Demos, Outtakes and Rarities cassette and I didn't know what the fuck it was. There were also Prime 586 one and two, Homage and Ode to Joy / Rocking Carol. I thought it was a female vocalist so a track by The Inadequates. About a year later I read what it was in the Ideal for Living book and then the Record Collector article. Kids these days have it easy.

negative1 wrote:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Blue-Monday-1988/release/553448

NewOrder* ?– Blue Monday 1988 Label: Factory ?– 870 354-2 Format: CD, EP, Card Sleeve Country: Canada Released: 1988 Genre: Electronic, Pop Style: Electro, Synth-pop

Tracklist 1 Blue Monday 1988 (12" Mix) 7:10 2 Blue Monday 1988 (Dub Version) 7:21 3 Touched By The Hand Of God (Single Version) 3:46 4 Blue Monday 1988 (Single Version) 4:12 5 Touched By The Hand Of God (Dub Version) 5:32 Total Time: 28:01

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Ooh i do actually have that Canadian one of BM with the cardboard sleeve.No idea where or when i obtained it.Must have been a long long time ago.

And yes add me to the fans of the Saville Soundtrack CD.Great to put on and chill out to for half an hour.

Fotz wrote:

negative1 wrote:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Blue-Monday-1988/release/553448

NewOrder* ?– Blue Monday 1988 Label: Factory ?– 870 354-2 Format: CD, EP, Card Sleeve Country: Canada Released: 1988 Genre: Electronic, Pop Style: Electro, Synth-pop

Tracklist 1 Blue Monday 1988 (12" Mix) 7:10 2 Blue Monday 1988 (Dub Version) 7:21 3 Touched By The Hand Of God (Single Version) 3:46 4 Blue Monday 1988 (Single Version) 4:12 5 Touched By The Hand Of God (Dub Version) 5:32 Total Time: 28:01

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Ooh i do actually have that Canadian one of BM with the cardboard sleeve.No idea where or when i obtained it.Must have been a long long time ago.

And yes add me to the fans of the Saville Soundtrack CD.Great to put on and chill out to for half an hour.

well, it has been over 32 years since it came out.

i like the peter saville soundtrack, haven't heard it in awhile though.

ordered a copy of the internet, maybe from their site, or ebay.

later -1

here's the touch sampler:

video 586 was on different media:

here's one version from the fac video:

here's an edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2isX4J0e6g

this cd version is another extract.

Various ?– Touch. Sampler Label: Touch ?– T_ZERO_2 Format: CD, Sampler Country: UK Released: 1997 Genre: Electronic, Non-Music, Folk, World, & Country Style:

Abstract, Synth-pop, Ambient, Electro, Field Recording, Experimental

TracklistShow Credits 1 –Unknown Artist Please Leave A Message 0:13 2 –Polyphony Group Of Lapharda Legenda E Tanës 3:53 3 –Unknown Artist Air Traffic Control 0:37 4 –Cold Warrior Yellow Square 7:02 5 –The Hafler Trio Replacement 1:27 6 –Philip Jeck Nelson Surfs 6:28 7 –Unknown Artist Runaway Train 3:39 8 –Unknown Artist The Education System 0:06

9 –New Order Video 586 6:57

10 –Igusti Ngurah Togog & His Son Genggong Frog Sound 1:35 11 –Mark Van Hoen Channel Of Light 5:30 12 –Ryoji Ikeda Headphonics 0/0 3:11 13 –Mother Tongue The Voice And The Ear 2:08 14 –Scala Hold Me Down 3:51 15 –John Duncan Priority 2:52 16 –Disinformation Loran-C VLF 4:17 17 –Unknown Artist Couldn't This Lengthy Therapy... ? 0:05 18 –Anthony Phillips Danza Cuccaracha 5:44 19 –Chris Watson Guanacaste 2:13 20 –Chris Watson The Musiara Gate 1:55 21 –Folk Orchestra Of Albania Dite E Zeze Ish Kone E Honja 2:54 22 –Daren Seymour & Mark Van Hoen Omnipotent 6:45 Total Time: 1:13:22

parts 1, and 2 are on the feature mist Cassette. https://www.discogs.com/Various-Feature-Mist/release/308267

Various ?– Feature Mist Label: Touch ?– T1 Format: Cassette, Compilation, C60 Country: UK Released: 01 Dec 1982 Genre: Electronic, Non-Music Style: Modern Classical, Ambient, Spoken Word, Synth-pop

TracklistShow Credits A1 –Vladimir Mayakovsky Final Verse, "Last Poem"

A2 –New Order Video 586 - 1

A3 –Soliman Gamil The New Nubia A4 –Robert Wyatt From An Interview A5 –The Death And Beauty Foundation Song Of The Houseproud Ghost A6 –Hanns Eisler & Vladimir Mayakovsky Subbotnik A7 –Eric Random Meets The Bedlamites In Cassette Conference B1 –Simple Minds King Is White B2 –Tuxedomoon Shelved Dreams B3 –Dmitri Shostakovich Waltz From "The Bedbug"

B4 –New Order Video 586 - 2

B5 –Flesh Hesitate

Credits Compilation Producer – Andrew McKenzie, Garry Mouat, Jon Wozencroft

Notes First edition (6000 copies) wrapped in a plastic bag with a A5 32pp booklet featured the work of Keith Breeden, Neville Brody, Panny Charrington, Malcolm Garrett, Hipgnosis and Ian Wright, with manifestos by The Death And Beauty Foundation and The Temple Ov Psychick Youth (written by David Tibet). Also published were The Rozztox Manifesto (by Gary Panter / The Residents), "Vladimir Mayakovsky" by Alan Reid, Norrie MacLaren's "Video Column", "The New Nubia", and Your Guide To Naming A Pop Group, "Nominal Success" by Shirley Ellis.

A cassette-only edition was remastered and re-released in March 1986.

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can't edit my last post, it detects it as spam, the video link for the edit was a mistake. ooops.

later -1

I've got Video 5-8-6 on the 'Touch Sampler', the 'Twice As Nice' CD, the 'Be Music Presents New Order CD' and the standalone 12"/CD from Touch. The only thing I haven't got is the original 'Featuremist' tape (I do have a rip of this though).

I absolutely love the Video 5-8-6 track. Especially the full length 22 minute version. It's bonkers and brilliant.

Just for the sake of completeness, the track also appeared as a bonus track on the download version of the recent PC&L box-set (pity it wasn't included in the physical set).

Also, another version of the video, clocking in at 09:38, was a hidden 'Easter Egg' on DVD2 of the same set. I tweeted Steve about this and he said "It is from some primitive apple 2e video experiments. I did with Malcolm Whitehead in 1982 to a very early version of 586. Aka video 586. I don’t think it was shown at the opening of the hac. June 82 gig possibly?"

I haven't completely compared this video to the one on 'A Factory Video' but, IIRC, it seemed 'different' to me. Perhaps this is something that you could have a look at negative1, as one your comparisons.

Whilst I think about it, another variant to the track (which, again, I guess, is edited from the full length version) is the 2:38 Haçienda Construction footage that appears at the start of the 'A Factory Outing' video.

So, to summarise the variants of Video 5-8-6:

On audio format:

Full length version (22:07) (from 'Video 5-8-6' 12" & CD single, 'New Order Presents Be Music' CD & 'Power, Corruption and Lies: Definitive Edition' box set (digital download only)) Part One (7:27) (from 'Featuremist cassette) Part Three (14:12) (from 'Featuremist cassette) Part Two (7:02) (from "Touch. Sampler' CD) Edit (6:13) (from 'Twice As Nice' CD)

On video format: "Primitive 5-8-6" (5:49) (from 'A Factory Video' VHS) "Haçienda Construction Footage" (2:38) (from 'A Factory Outing' VHS) Easter Egg (09:38) (from 'Power, Corruption and Lies: Definitive Edition' box set, DVD2)

As regards 'From Brussels With Love', I picked up the LTM reissue a few years back. I also treated myself to the over-sized 'special edition' from Les Disques Du Crépuscule that was released late last year, as a Christmas present to myself:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-From-Brussels-With-Love/release/16032422

However, I'm embarrassed to say that, with everything going on in my life / in the world at present, I've haven't even unwrapped it yet, let alone listened to it.

Like you, Michael, I first heard 'Haystack' on a bootleg cassette that I bought from a record fair in about 1990. I did know what it was (I think I read about it in Mark Johnson's book) but didn't really know what to make of it at the time. I've come to love the track over the years. A very interesting curio.

Apparently, Hewick recorded another track ('A Piece Of Fate') with New Order, but this is apparently 'lost'. Pretty annoying. Hopefully it turns up at some point. You'd think it would be lurking on a tape somewhere. I don't even think Hewick has a copy. I remember him asking when the Hannett tapes were found by Julia Adamson whether they contained this track, but I'm not sure he ever found out.

perspexorange wrote:

So, to summarise the variants of Video 5-8-6:

On audio format:

Full length version (22:07) (from 'Video 5-8-6' 12" & CD single, 'New Order Presents Be Music' CD & 'Power, Corruption and Lies: Definitive Edition' box set (digital download only)) Part One (7:27) (from 'Featuremist cassette) Part Three (14:12) (from 'Featuremist cassette) Part Two (7:02) (from "Touch. Sampler' CD) Edit (6:13) (from 'Twice As Nice' CD)

.

So, part1 + part2 + part3 doesn't match Full-length

😈

Jcp7 wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

So, to summarise the variants of Video 5-8-6:

On audio format:

Full length version (22:07) (from 'Video 5-8-6' 12" & CD single, 'New Order Presents Be Music' CD & 'Power, Corruption and Lies: Definitive Edition' box set (digital download only)) Part One (7:27) (from 'Featuremist cassette) Part Three (14:12) (from 'Featuremist cassette) Part Two (7:02) (from "Touch. Sampler' CD) Edit (6:13) (from 'Twice As Nice' CD)

.

So, part1 + part2 + part3 doesn't match Full-length

😈

Yeah, I know. Weird eh?

There's been some debate over the years about this.

Here's the listing for the Sampler at Touch33.net which states:

"New Order: The missing middle section of the 23 minutes song of this well-known band. Recorded in 1982 in Manchester."

https://touch33.net/catalogue/t\_zero\_2-touch-sampler-2.html

So, by their description, it is the middle part (i.e. part 2), but I guess there might be some overlap (i.e. it contains the end of part 1 and/or the beginning of part 3 also). I've never tried to compare the versions. Again, negative1 probably knows more about this than I.

Edit: In fact, looking at the times, parts 1 & 3 add up to about the length of the full-length version themselves (although I would say that my '14:12' includes some talking at the end of the mp3, so not truly accurate). So, who knows? It's all a bit confusing. Would be interested to see a comparison between all the versions (if this is practical) to see where the versions start and end.

perspexorange wrote:

Apparently, Hewick recorded another track ('A Piece Of Fate') with New Order, but this is apparently 'lost'. Pretty annoying. Hopefully it turns up at some point. You'd think it would be lurking on a tape somewhere. I don't even think Hewick has a copy. I remember him asking when the Hannett tapes were found by Julia Adamson whether they contained this track, but I'm not sure he ever found out.

Just thinking about it, does Johnny James know if a copy of this track is located in the New Order archives?

perspexorange wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

Apparently, Hewick recorded another track ('A Piece Of Fate') with New Order, but this is apparently 'lost'. Pretty annoying. Hopefully it turns up at some point. You'd think it would be lurking on a tape somewhere. I don't even think Hewick has a copy. I remember him asking when the Hannett tapes were found by Julia Adamson whether they contained this track, but I'm not sure he ever found out.

Just thinking about it, does Johnny James know if a copy of this track is located in the New Order archives?

Nope, nor Haystack master. They probably were both kept by Anthony Wilson rather than Rob (being for a Kevin Hewick release rather than a New Order one).

Johnny James wrote:

Nope, nor Haystack master. They probably were both kept by Anthony Wilson rather than Rob (being for a Kevin Hewick release rather than a New Order one).

Damn! That's annoying. Would love to hear it!

Thanks for the confirmation though! Much appreciated.

perspexorange wrote:

Like you, Michael, I first heard 'Haystack' on a bootleg cassette that I bought from a record fair in about 1990. I did know what it was (I think I read about it in Mark Johnson's book) but didn't really know what to make of it at the time. I've come to love the track over the years. A very interesting curio.

Apparently, Hewick recorded another track ('A Piece Of Fate') with New Order, but this is apparently 'lost'. Pretty annoying. Hopefully it turns up at some point. You'd think it would be lurking on a tape somewhere. I don't even think Hewick has a copy. I remember him asking when the Hannett tapes were found by Julia Adamson whether they contained this track, but I'm not sure he ever found out.

It was on https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Demos-Outakes-Rarities/release/7935833 and I bought it (in 1992) in a different cover, plus parts two and three. They got less and less interesting - in fact the only thing I really 'needed' off the others was Let's Go / Nothing For Me. Given the high profile of New Order, the number of official and unofficial compilations and the joys of Youtube, I'm sure that the other collaboration would've surfaced by now. I had the same hunch about the Pet Shop Boys' True Faith mix - they're both big names and it's a popular track, so if it existed it'd be easy to find. Links tended to go straight to Shit Poppyboner's remix. Probably the Confusion arose cos of Shep's Pets link or cos the Pets sometimes DJed and have strong links to NO.

perspexorange wrote:

Johnny James wrote:

Nope, nor Haystack master. They probably were both kept by Anthony Wilson rather than Rob (being for a Kevin Hewick release rather than a New Order one).

Damn! That's annoying. Would love to hear it!

Thanks for the confirmation though! Much appreciated.

If I had to guess, I would think that the unfinished track was probably never mixed, so therefore only existed on the multitrack tape for the session.

Johnny James wrote:

If I had to guess, I would think that the unfinished track was probably never mixed, so therefore only existed on the multitrack tape for the session.

I think I read somewhere that the session fell to pieces (Bernard playing Buzzcocks riffs and eventually walking out, Hannett not playing ball etc.), so it certainly seems possible that the track was never properly finished.

A real shame.

Hmmm - just found this on JD Central. This is probably where I read it:

"around june 1980 (just over a month after ian curtis' suicide), hewick was booked to go into graveyard studios (famous for a certain ratio's marvellous "graveyard and the ballroom" cassette) to record 5 tracks for the planned double 10" (which later became the aforementioned "factory quartet"). the night before, tony wilson phoned hewick and suggested that "the jds" go into the studio to back him. wilson told hewick that the jds wanted to carry on as a band and playing someone else's material would ease their transition back into recording.no one ever told hewick that this might have been a try-out session for a lead singer of the soon-to-be new order. much later, when terry christian suggested the idea on a bbc radio derby interview in 1983, hewick was hurt enough to be unable to go to a new order gig for quite some time afterwards. "well you're a better singer than any of them aren't you?" said christian. the rumour would appear to be substantiated in the liner notes to "from brussels with love", although hewick maintains it was not the case.to quote kevin: "i was picked up at piccadilly station by bernard and stephen in a really old car. they were really friendly, good humoured and i soon felt at ease - for a while--- forgive my memory but i seem to recall it was only on arriving at graveyard that i was told that martin hannett was going to produce the session! at last i met peter hook who privately i held in most fanlike awe - he soon came over as the one who took the lead with things, who pulled things together into shape. we worked on two songs "haystack" and "a piece of fate". it was decided to do "haystack" first."the resulting song, "haystack," a stalwart of hewick's live set, appears on the "from brussels with love" compilation on les disques du crepuscule (cd, cassette, and lp formats). the recording suffers from a complete and utter lack of production. kevin indicates that this was the result of hannett showing up halfway through the session, pronouncing that the assembled group of musicians (hewick, bernard, peter, and steven) sounded like "fairport convention" [ouch!] and curling up under the mixing desk for a bit of a sleep. hewick was told hannett was exhausted from working through the night on a john cooper clarke recording session. he remembers hannett leaving before the end and doubts whether hannett actually twiddled and knobs on this recording at all!the assembled "backing" band told the engineer at the beginning of the session that they'd decided to call themselves "new order". when hewick pointed out that rob asheton (former member of the stooges) had formed a band called the new order, a clearly annoyed bernard shot back "only you would know that."the songthe song is inspired by a scene with jack lemmon and lee remick in "the days of wine and roses", with loads of heroin addiction imagery (which i can't even believe i missed in favour of a sexual interpretation!). hook's bass rumbles along, bernard knocks away at the polyphonic synths, stevie bangs the drums, and hewick delivers a langorously lounge-y vocal performance and plays guitar. he doesn't sound nearly as nervous as he must've been, although the beauty of his voice fails to show through.the "other" songthe assembled band worked on a second song that has never seen the light of day. "a piece of fate" was the track - later reworked by hewick into a song called "no miracle" in 1993. hewick, who was utterly in awe of the backing band assembled for his humble session, pointed out to bernard that the two note guitar solo he was playing was from buzzcock's "boredom" and was stunned when bernard, threw his gibson sg down on the floor and stormed out. this so unnerved hewick that he was unable to complete any other songs for the session. wilson, still wanting to feature the young kevin on a factory record, replaced the session with the live tracks on the factory quartet. all in all, not an auspicious recording for the young lad's first "professional" recording session, but a story for the grandkids!"

I've never heard that 'No Miracle' track. I can't seem to find the track on streaming services. If I find it, I'll post here. Might be interesting to hear.

back in 2003, i posted these to ceremony:

from new order discography:FeaturemistDecember 1982 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------    CS: UK 1982 (Touch T01)                Prime 5-8-6 (part 1)  6:50                Prime 5-8-6 (part 2)<-3 13:29Touch Sampler 2December 1996 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------    CD: UK 1996 (Touch T_ZERO_2)           6:57 Prime 5-8-6 (part 2)worldinmotion.net---------------------TOUCH FEATURE MISTDec 4, 1982  UK 1982 ( Touchtapes T1)[with magazine]                         Prime 5.8.6. (pt 1)                        Prime 5.8.6. (pt 2) <-3 instrumental versions/jam based on 5.8.6. Cassette 61 minutes ---------------TOUCH SAMPLERJanuary 1997  UK 1997 ( Touch T_ZERO_2 )         6 : 57     Video 586 Various artists. Much ahead of its time, a 23 minute track recorded for the opening of the Hacienda in Manchester in 1982, and a blueprint for "Blue Monday": it was published in 2 parts on the first Touch release, Feature Mist. This is the missing middle section. neworderonline-------------------UK Cassette (Touch T01) Track Song Band Version Time Notes Audio Video 1.  586 New Order Prime 5-8-6 (Part 1)  ?:??   13:29     2.  586 New Order Prime 5-8-6 (Part 3)  6:57        UK CD (Touch T_ZERO_2) Track Song Band Version Time Notes Audio Video 9.  586 New Order Prime 5-8-6 (Part 3)  6:57  Labeled "Video 586.3"      Release Notes From Touch's website: "For the first time on CD - New Order's Video 586, a blue print for 'Blue Monday'" ----A Factory Outing (Compilation)                                      [Dec 1983]   VHS:	UK 1983	(Factory FACT 71)		Prime 5-8-6  6:36FACT    71      VARIOUS                 A Factory Outing             Oct 83    VHS: UK 1983	(Factory FACT 71V) [PAL/NTSC]  BETA: UK 1983	(Factory FACT 71B) 	2:45	{Hacienda Construction Footage} *	6:37	NEW ORDER - Your Silent Face 	3:09	JAMES - Stutter 	3:03	STOCKHOLM MONSTERS - Life's Two Faces 	4:36	52nd STREET - The Rapp	3:43	A CERTAIN RATIO - Back to the Start 	3:08	A CERTAIN RATIO - Showcase 	4:05	SWAMP CHILDREN - You've Got Me Beat 	4:29	DURUTTI COLUMN - The Beggar  	5:17	THE WAKE - Uniform	4:48	SECTION 25 - Warhead	5:47	QUANDO QUANGO - Go Exciting	3:06	{Hacienda Venue Footage} ***  Instrumental primitive of NEW ORDER - 5-8-6 (Prime 5-8-6) used for    intro Hacienda construction footage.** Instrumental mix of 52nd STREET - Cool As Ice used for outro   Hacienda venue footage.- All tracks live at The Hacienda Club, Manchester.- The packaging says in big numerals "51" / "71", indicating the previous  point (see also FAC 51).       - Later releases on IKON with sticker stating:  "Special Notice: Ikon regrets that The Wake and Quando Quango    soundtracks have had to be removed due to insistance of   Island Music Ltd."Click here to see a picture of FACT 71

later -1

I didn’t hear that Haystack song till sometime around the mid 2000s.But yeah, I really like it.

Cheers -1. I had a feeling that you posted this info before.

Just as a matter of interest, have you ever tried to sync up the different versions to deftermine which bits of the 23 minute track have been used in each particular edit?

can't post text, sorry its spam:

ceremony posts:

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Fotz wrote: I didn’t hear that Haystack song till sometime around the mid 2000s.But yeah, I really like it.

It's a fine little song, and I really like Hewick's vocals.

I find myself singing it, without intention, quite frequently.

negative1 wrote: can't post text, sorry its spam:

ceremony posts:

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Ah, cool!

I'll give them a look.

It might be worth revisiting, now we have a new edit (the 'easter egg' on the recent DVD).

ceremony post references:

https://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/digests/v2003.n017 https://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/digests/v2003.n020

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perspexorange wrote: I've got Video 5-8-6 on the 'Touch Sampler', the 'Twice As Nice' CD, the 'Be Music Presents New Order CD' and the standalone 12"/CD from Touch. The only thing I haven't got is the original 'Featuremist' tape (I do have a rip of this though).

discogs shows 24 copies starting at US$8.00, a lot cheaper than what i got it for.

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Is this the only official release of the Rough Mix of Confusion on CD? It got edited on the original edition of Singles back in 2005 (another unique version, I suppose?)

I also purchased the 2020 remaster of the 12"... are these supposed to come with some sort of digital download? I've failed to see any indication...

Mr. Disco wrote:

I also purchased the 2020 remaster of the 12"... are these supposed to come with some sort of digital download? I've failed to see any indication...

Sadly, there were no download codes for these or any of the Movement related singles. I ended up buying FLACs as well as the 12”s.

Bit annoying. It would’ve been nice to include a download code.

Are there official FLACs for sale? Where?

I bought the 12" hoping for a download like Be a Rebel, just came to mind the Factory releases are not being reissued by Mute Records....

there are so many remixes of 'touched by the hand of God', its hard to track them,

1. the original salvation versions
2. the arthur baker remixes
3. the 7 inches and edits
4. the best of biff and memphis
5. the hand of bias mix

and probably more...

so the German cd: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Salvation-Original-Soundtrack/release/417642

Various ‎– Salvation! (Original Soundtrack) Label: Interphon ‎– IPCD 2022-36 Format: CD, Album Country: Europe Released: 1988 Genre: Electronic, Rock, Stage & Screen Style: Soundtrack, Country Rock, Downtempo, Synth-pop, Ambient Tracklist 1 –New Order Salvation Theme 2:14 2 –Jumpin' Jesus You Can't Blackmail Jesus 4:26 3 –Cabaret Voltaire Twanky Party 4:17 4 –New Order Touched By The Hand Of God 5:02 5 –Dominique* Play The Beat 3:24 6 –The Hood Nightmare 1:54 7 –New Order Let's Go 3:44 8 –The Hood Salvation! Have You Said Your Prayers Today 4:10 9 –Arthur Baker Come On 2:45 10 –New Order Sputnik 2:31 11 –Cabaret Voltaire Jesus Saves 4:02 12 –New Order Skullcrusher 2:52 13 –Dominique* Destroy All Evil 3:33

Bonus Tracks: 14 –New Order Touched By The Hand Of God (Remix Version) 8:00 15 –The Hood Salvation! 6:13 16 –The Hood Salvation! (Nitro Dub) 12:11 Total Time: 1:11:18

and japanese CD of salvation had this full 8 minute version of the remix: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Salvation-Original-Soundtrack/release/886400

Various ‎– Salvation! (Original Soundtrack) Label: Les Disques Du Crépuscule ‎– VDP-1345 Format: CD, Album, Remastered Country: Japan Released: 21 Jun 1988 Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: Alternative Rock, Art Rock, Downtempo, Synth-pop, Indie Rock TracklistShow Credits 1 –New Order Salvation Theme 2:15 2 –Jumpin' Jesus You Can't Blackmail Jesus 4:27 3 –Cabaret Voltaire Twanky Party 4:18 4 –New Order Touched By The Hand Of God 5:02 5 –Dominique* Play The Beat 3:24 6 –The Hood Nightmare 1:57 7 –New Order Let's Go 3:44 8 –The Hood Salvation! Have You Said Your Prayers Today 4:11 9 –Arthur Baker Come On 2:45 10 –New Order Sputnik 2:31 11 –Cabaret Voltaire Jesus Saves 4:02 12 –New Order Skullcrusher 2:52 13 –Dominique* Destroy All Evil 3:34

14 –New Order Touched By The Hand Of God (12") 8:01 Total Time: 53:03

as good as the 12 inch mix and dub are, this is superior for me:

wish it had gotten a limited vinyl release.

later -1

Isn't it just Touched by the Hand of Dub with an extra 2 and half minutes or so at the beginning?

Mr. Disco wrote: Are there official FLACs for sale? Where?

I got mine here:

https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/search?q=New+order&i=boutique

I have that Salvation CD.The version of TBTHOG is quite radically different , kind of a raw and live drum sound for a start.

The 2020 Confusion remaster 12" did not come with a download code, none of the 2020 remastered 12" 's came with codes.

Touched is one of my favourite singles ever, and I love the rawer version on the soundtrack. That said, I only have the dutch CD. Never heard about the bonus track on the japanese release for many years.

I have both UK and JP CD5. Confusion (1987 dub) is still exclusive to the UK CD single, no?

The BIAS remix is also pretty good

I have the Saville sleeve version of 'Salvation' (Canadian?) on CD, plus the European variant with the standard (terrible) film poster cover, but with the 8:00 exclusive remix.

I got the former, of all places, in 'Our Price' in Stafford. I've no idea what it was doing there. Stafford isn't the biggest of towns and having a Canadian pressing there was just odd. I can't even remember if it was in the 'New Order' section or the soundtrack section. I just remember being very surprised by it, especially considering I didn't even know that Saville had done a cover for it. This would've been 1993ish.

I've also got the cassette. I can pretty much pinpoint exactly when I got this; around November 1990. I was going to Manchester on the train one day and I picked up a copy of 'Record Collector' to read during my journey. This had part 2 of a New Order article (I'd bought part 1 the previous month). I remember reading about the 'Salvation!' soundtrack for the first time there. I then made it my mission to get a copy that day.

I managed to track down the tape downstairs in HMV on Market Street, Manchester. Sadly, though, there was something wrong with side 2 of the tape. It had a really annoying buzz throughout; something that wasn't on side 1. I imagine that this must've been caused during the transfer and wonder if other tapes are blighted like mine.

As regards the TBTHOG release itself, I definitely have the CD, but am pretty sure I have the 7" & 12" lurking somewhere in storage.
Apart from occasional items that I'd purchase on a whim, I used to be quite specific in what I'd buy in respect of New Order. Initially, as I was always short of money, I just used to look for 'gaps' in my remix collection.

For instance, if I already had the remixes contained on the 12" (e.g. on 'Substance'), I wouldn't buy the 12" (or not initially). For example, I would've bought the 12" remix of 'True Faith', but wouldn't've bought the standard 12" (as both tracks were on 'Substance'). Consequently, I have virtually every 7" of New Order but am missing some 12"s.

In the case of 'TBTHOG', I'd have bought the CD (best quality format), the 7" (for the two 'edits') and the 12" (for the full-length version of the b-side).

'Touched By The Hand Of God' seems to get a bit of a bad rap with most New Order fans I know. Much like 'Confusion' and 'State Of The Nation', it seems like quite a few fans dislike it.

Personally, I love it. Seen as if I got into the band when 'True Faith' was released, 'Touched...' seemed like more of that goodness that I had enjoyed on 'True Faith'.

I had that Record Mirror two parter as well. My rule was all vinyl with other formats only if they had exclusives, but as I've said, Iost interest with London bullshit, practical issues and the Spice takeover. I got Salvation in a second hand shop in Cambridge in 1993. I remember cos I'd had one of my worst ever drinking binges the night before and it kind of made up for the hangover. Far prefer Baker's Touched, but I went through that on Denis' thread. Spice Girls forum. Some threads may be sticky.

On the Salvation album, apart from the New Order tracks and the two Cabaret Voltaire tracks the rest of the music is possibly the worst music I’ve ever heard in my life. Utter garbage. As is the film from what I remember, I think I found it on YouTube once and tried to watch it and got maybe halfway through and just had enough.

Fotz wrote: On the Salvation album, apart from the New Order tracks and the two Cabaret Voltaire tracks the rest of the music is possibly the worst music I’ve ever heard in my life. Utter garbage. As is the film from what I remember, I think I found it on YouTube once and tried to watch it and got maybe halfway through and just had enough.

Thanks to a member on these forums, I was finally able to see the film 2-3 years ago. It is as bad as everyone says. Avoid!

I'm grateful to the user that helped me out though. At least I can say I've seen it.

By the way, I've often thought that, at least at one stage, 'Salvation Theme' and 'Sputnik' were different parts of the same piece of longer music (similar to the 'Peter Saville Soundtrack'). If I remember correctly, if you watch the film, certain bits of the soundtrack itself seems to contain elements of both tracks.

I reckon that, at some point, the band (or even the film makers / record label) chopped it into pieces and called it by two separate names. Maybe to pad out the soundtrack; make it look like the band had recorded more pieces for the film.

As possible evidence of this theory, on those 'Salvation Demos' that have been doing the rounds for years, one of the two versions of 'Salvation Theme' on them was actually labelled up as 'Sputnik'. That could possibly denote that the two pieces may have been edited from a longer piece, or that they had interchangeable names. Could just be mislabelling though, as well, I guess.

I may be completely wrong here though. Just pure (and fun!) speculation on my part.

perspexorange wrote:

Fotz wrote: On the Salvation album, apart from the New Order tracks and the two Cabaret Voltaire tracks the rest of the music is possibly the worst music I’ve ever heard in my life. Utter garbage. As is the film from what I remember, I think I found it on YouTube once and tried to watch it and got maybe halfway through and just had enough.

Thanks to a member on these forums, I was finally able to see the film 2-3 years ago. It is as bad as everyone says. Avoid!

I'm grateful to the user that helped me out though. At least I can say I've seen it.

By the way, I've often thought that, at least at one stage, 'Salvation Theme' and 'Sputnik' were different parts of the same piece of longer music (similar to the 'Peter Saville Soundtrack'). If I remember correctly, if you watch the film, certain bits of the soundtrack itself seems to contain elements of both tracks.

I reckon that, at some point, the band (or even the film makers / record label) chopped it into pieces and called it by two separate names. Maybe to pad out the soundtrack; make it look like the band had recorded more pieces for the film.

As possible evidence of this theory, on those 'Salvation Demos' that have been doing the rounds for years, one of the two versions of 'Salvation Theme' on them was actually labelled up as 'Sputnik'. That could possibly denote that the two pieces may have been edited from a longer piece, or that they had interchangeable names. Could just be mislabelling though, as well, I guess.

I may be completely wrong here though. Just pure (and fun!) speculation on my part.

i enjoyed the film, but then again i like offbeat indie films and music, more than mainstream stuff.

later -1

negative1 wrote:

i enjoyed the film, but then again i like offbeat indie films and music, more than mainstream stuff.

later -1

Me too, but this film was just pretty bad, IMHO.

I will say though that I like Stephen McHattie, so that, and the soundtrack, was the silver lining to an otherwise dreary cloud.

I've also got this, which combines TBTHOG with BM1988.

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Blue-Monday-1988/release/191215

I'm not sure of my reasoning for buying this. I'm thinking that I might have bought it for the BM1988 Dub, which I possibly didn't have at the time (I got it later, after having bought both the 12" promo and the CDV).

perspexorange wrote: I've also got this, which combines TBTHOG with BM1988.

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Blue-Monday-1988/release/191215

I'm not sure of my reasoning for buying this. I'm thinking that I might have bought it for the BM1988 Dub, which I possibly didn't have at the time (I got it later, after having bought both the 12" promo and the CDV).

Yes I have that BM Qwest 12” with TBTHOG and TBTHOD on the b side as well. But, isn’t Blue Monday 1988 Dub just the same as Beach Buggy? Haven’t played it in years but might have to dig it out if there’s a difference

Fotz wrote: Yes I have that BM Qwest 12” with TBTHOG and TBTHOD on the b side as well. But, isn’t Blue Monday 1988 Dub just the same as Beach Buggy? Haven’t played it in years but might have to dig it out if there’s a difference

Not the same.

Fotz wrote:

perspexorange wrote: I've also got this, which combines TBTHOG with BM1988.

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Blue-Monday-1988/release/191215

I'm not sure of my reasoning for buying this. I'm thinking that I might have bought it for the BM1988 Dub, which I possibly didn't have at the time (I got it later, after having bought both the 12" promo and the CDV).

Yes I have that BM Qwest 12” with TBTHOG and TBTHOD on the b side as well. But, isn’t Blue Monday 1988 Dub just the same as Beach Buggy? Haven’t played it in years but might have to dig it out if there’s a difference

It’s different. Beach Buggy 12” is 6:52, whilst the Dub is 7:18. Both were included on the Recycle Project.

The Dub is the same as the DJ Only Mix on here:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Blue-Monday-1988/release/1280703

And is also on the CDV:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-Blue-Monday-1988/release/882345

^ Oh, right! I’ll have to dig it out then and compare with Beach Buggy. Not sure I was aware of that.Thanks for info , p and Mr Disco

Giving it a spin now

Ok, compared Blue Monday 1988 Dub and Beach Buggy. Yeah there’s quite a few differences isn’t there. Seems to be a lot more of the mad man going on about “ ah boy this is too much” and “ look at them! Look at them!” and other stuff on the dub. Beach Buggy samples the 1234 from Hurt and WWWRL from Confusion 1987 which the dub doesn’t. Interesting! They’re quite different.

here are some other odds and ends i compiled for the recycle 2 boxset project:

http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=1699&p=4#post13532

let's go, was not really a single, basically a promo..

much later, they added vocals to it, and put it on the best of in the US. in the UK it was a b-side track to the limited UK single of 1963 re-release.

but during that time, they came out with tracks from salvation:

1 let's go (nothing for me) 3:55 v, cd, cs 2 let's go (salvation) 3:42 v, cd, cs 3 let's go (extract) 2:01 cd 4 Salvation Theme 2:12 v,cd, cs 5 Touched by the Hand of God 4:59 v,cd,cs 6 Sputnik 2:28 v,cd,cs 7 Skullcrusher 2:49 v,cd,cs 8 Touched by the Hand of God (12" version) 7:59 cd 9 touched by the hand of God (bias 2000) 6:46 cd 10 touched by the hand of God (razormaid) 6:42 v 11 salvation (demo) 4:38 dig 12 touched by the hand of God (demo) 4:58 dig 13 lets go (demo) 3:23 dig 14 skullcrusher (demo) 3:42 dig 15 lets go (unreleased original 1985 vocal) 3:57 dig 16 lets go (US best of non fade) 4:02 cd

http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=1706#post13149

and for blue monday 88:

beach buggy (7" edit) 4:17 v, cd, cs beach buggy (12") 6:52 v, cd, cs

blue monday 1988 (or -88)(7") 4:10 v, cd, cdv, cs, ld blue monday 1988 (12" or remix) 7:09 v, cd, cdv, cs blue monday 1988 (dub version) 7:16 v, cd

and the promo versions:

26. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #07] Blue Monday 1988 (no samples) (start missing) [5:01]
27. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #08] Blue Monday 1988 (no samples) [7:10]
28. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #09] Blue Monday 1988 (samples version 1) [7:08]
29. New Order - [1988 Demos (Cassette side two) #10] Blue Monday 1988 (samples version 2) [7:09]

later -1

Was never a big fan of BM 88 and only bought that Qwest 12” for the collecting. I probably played Blue Monday 1988 Dub just once, years ago and never revisited it since, so hence ended up thinking it was Beach Buggy by another name. Interesting the things you discover or rediscover from this forum

negative1 wrote:

===================================== 1 let's go (nothing for me) 3:55 v, cd, cs 2 let's go (salvation) 3:42 v, cd, cs 3 let's go (extract) 2:01 cd 4 Salvation Theme 2:12 v,cd, cs 5 Touched by the Hand of God 4:59 v,cd,cs 6 Sputnik 2:28 v,cd,cs 7 Skullcrusher 2:49 v,cd,cs 8 Touched by the Hand of God (12" version) 7:59 cd 9 touched by the hand of God (bias 2000) 6:46 cd 10 touched by the hand of God (razormaid) 6:42 v 11 salvation (demo) 4:38 dig 12 touched by the hand of God (demo) 4:58 dig 13 lets go (demo) 3:23 dig 14 skullcrusher (demo) 3:42 dig 15 lets go (unreleased original 1985 vocal) 3:57 dig 16 lets go (US best of non fade) 4:02 cd

The ‘Salvation Demos’ include another (shorter) version of ‘Salvation Theme’ (sometimes wrongly listed as being ‘Sputnik’). It doesn’t look like you have that one listed.

What I have is as follows:

Salvation Theme (Demo 1) 4:46 Touched By The Hand Of God (Demo) 5:08 Let’s Go (Demo) 3:31 *** Salvation Theme (Demo 2) 1:51 (sometimes erroneously listed as ‘Sputnik’ (Demo) Skullcrusher (Demo) 3:49

*** This is a vocal demo of the ‘Nothing For Me’ version (I.e. not the older ‘Waiting For So Long’ vocal demo)

Fotz wrote: Was never a big fan of BM 88 and only bought that Qwest 12” for the collecting. I probably played Blue Monday 1988 Dub just once, years ago and never revisited it since, so hence ended up thinking it was Beach Buggy by another name. Interesting the things you discover or rediscover from this forum

They're different remixers for a start, Beach Buggy is a Michael Johnson remix, the Dub is one of the John Potoker/Quincy Jones remixes.

Found my copy of the BM1988 US 12". Couldn't find the promo CD with the dub anywhere. Don't own the CDV.

Some other oddities, I suppose?

I believe the BLT remix on the 12" of this compilation was different in some way? Maybe longer?

And the there's Vietnam...

perspexorange wrote:

Fotz wrote: On the Salvation album, apart from the New Order tracks and the two Cabaret Voltaire tracks the rest of the music is possibly the worst music I’ve ever heard in my life. Utter garbage. As is the film from what I remember, I think I found it on YouTube once and tried to watch it and got maybe halfway through and just had enough.

Thanks to a member on these forums, I was finally able to see the film 2-3 years ago. It is as bad as everyone says. Avoid!

I'm grateful to the user that helped me out though. At least I can say I've seen it.

By the way, I've often thought that, at least at one stage, 'Salvation Theme' and 'Sputnik' were different parts of the same piece of longer music (similar to the 'Peter Saville Soundtrack'). If I remember correctly, if you watch the film, certain bits of the soundtrack itself seems to contain elements of both tracks.

I reckon that, at some point, the band (or even the film makers / record label) chopped it into pieces and called it by two separate names. Maybe to pad out the soundtrack; make it look like the band had recorded more pieces for the film.

As possible evidence of this theory, on those 'Salvation Demos' that have been doing the rounds for years, one of the two versions of 'Salvation Theme' on them was actually labelled up as 'Sputnik'. That could possibly denote that the two pieces may have been edited from a longer piece, or that they had interchangeable names. Could just be mislabelling though, as well, I guess.

I may be completely wrong here though. Just pure (and fun!) speculation on my part.

I've seen a clip of the film somewhere with 'Let's Go' in the background and it's different to what's on the 'Salvation' soundtrack and any of the other released versions. Sounds a bit more synthy. Hope it gets released as part of the 'Low-life' definitive edition.

Other exclusive versions/edits from soundtracks

Not sure if the "original"(?) version of Shellshock, with the extra verse, was released somewhere else.

This soundtrack features an official edit of Pettibone's The Morning Sun remix, different from the one on the promo CD and CDV, which got botched on the chorus. It can also be found here: https://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Best-Ever-Indie/release/7168650

20 years on, and I still find it hard to believe Someone Like You wasn't the (obvious) first single. Crystal is great and did really well, but I love this track.

Mr Discography wrote:

I've seen a clip of the film somewhere with 'Let's Go' in the background and it's different to what's on the 'Salvation' soundtrack and any of the other released versions. Sounds a bit more synthy. Hope it gets released as part of the 'Low-life' definitive edition.

Looks like it's contained within this clip here on YouTube from 1:27 onwards. Sounds like the Salvation soundtrack CD version but with a more prominent synth bass. Could be the same mix but EQd or compressed a bit. Or a different mix. Tricky to tell.

Never a big fan of BM 88 either, certainly after the scorching original on Spunkstance, but the video's cool. They even got Gillian to move a muscle. There was also a DMC mix which was similar to Bitch Bugger 12", from The Remix boot I keep going on about.

Johnny James wrote:

Fotz wrote: Was never a big fan of BM 88 and only bought that Qwest 12” for the collecting. I probably played Blue Monday 1988 Dub just once, years ago and never revisited it since, so hence ended up thinking it was Beach Buggy by another name. Interesting the things you discover or rediscover from this forum

They're different remixers for a start, Beach Buggy is a Michael Johnson remix, the Dub is one of the John Potoker/Quincy Jones remixes.

Are okay, thanks. My fault for not reading the credits more closely. But as I said I’m not a big fan of BM 88 so really didn’t bother before

I love that version of 'Shellshock' from the 'Pretty In Pink' soundtrack. It's easily my favourite version. It strikes a nice balance between having the 'bonus verse' that was eliminated from the 7" and 'Substance' edit, but isn't anywhere near as repetitive as the full 12" version.

As well as the three exclusive mixes on the soundtracks mentioned above (Pretty In Pink, Married To The Mob, Salvation!, Bright Lights, Big City), there's also:

'Temptation' 3:30 (from 'Something Wild')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Something-Wild-Music-From-The-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/release/13927074

'Blue Monday-95' (Hardfloor Mix) 4:45 (from 'The Lakes')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Lakes/release/6158976

'Bizarre Love Triangle' 3:25 (from 'Threesome')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Threesome-Music-From-The-Motion-Picture/release/2871665

I think the latter one (BLT) isn't actually exclusive, but is just a rare mix. If I recall correctly, it also appeared on a BLT Us 12" promo:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Bizarre-Love-Triangle/release/349673

Can anyone confirm if these are the same mixes (i.e. that 7" edit and the 'Threesome' version)? I have the latter but not the former, so can't check.

Another soundtrack of note, which doesn't contain an exclusive remix, but is still fairly interesting:

'Murder' (from 'Empire State')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Empire-State-Original-Soundtrack-Recording/release/7859354

I have all the soundtracks listed above, plus the aforementioned 'Married To The Mob', 'Pretty In Pink' and 'Salvation!'. All on CD.

I also have the Married to the Mob CD... forgot that one.

And there's the 1987 edit of Temptation from the 24HPP soundtrack...

perspexorange wrote: I love that version of 'Shellshock' from the 'Pretty In Pink' soundtrack. It's easily my favourite version. It strikes a nice balance between having the 'bonus verse' that was eliminated from the 7" and 'Substance' edit, but isn't anywhere near as repetitive as the full 12" version.

As well as the three exclusive mixes on the soundtracks mentioned above (Pretty In Pink, Married To The Mob, Salvation!, Bright Lights, Big City), there's also:

'Temptation' 3:30 (from 'Something Wild')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Something-Wild-Music-From-The-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/release/13927074

'Blue Monday-95' (Hardfloor Mix) 4:45 (from 'The Lakes')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Lakes/release/6158976

'Bizarre Love Triangle' 3:25 (from 'Threesome')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Threesome-Music-From-The-Motion-Picture/release/2871665

I think the latter one (BLT) isn't actually exclusive, but is just a rare mix. If I recall correctly, it also appeared on a BLT Us 12" promo:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Bizarre-Love-Triangle/release/349673

Can anyone confirm if these are the same mixes (i.e. that 7" edit and the 'Threesome' version)? I have the latter but not the former, so can't check.

Another soundtrack of note, which doesn't contain an exclusive remix, but is still fairly interesting:

'Murder' (from 'Empire State')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Empire-State-Original-Soundtrack-Recording/release/7859354

I have all the soundtracks listed above, plus the aforementioned 'Married To The Mob', 'Pretty In Pink' and 'Salvation!'. All on CD.

BLT Canadian 7 inch Gate Fold release different mix too ..3:35 (3:40 on Discogs) ? Just listened ..good mix!

Mr. Disco wrote:

And there's the 1987 edit of Temptation from the 24HPP soundtrack...

Yep. There's also another exclusive edit of the 1987 version on this:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Indie-Scene-82/release/445081

It's not just an early fade, as it appears to start and end around about the same place. It must be shorter in the middle somewhere, although I've never checked where.

Atrocity wrote:

BLT Canadian 7 inch release different mix too ..3:35 ?

Yep - that's definitely a different one too.

Mr. Disco wrote: Found my copy of the BM1988 US 12". Couldn't find the promo CD with the dub anywhere. Don't own the CDV.

Some other oddities, I suppose?

beyond terrible for new order, but as an 808 state, i like them if i don't think of them of as 'new order'.

I believe the BLT remix on the 12" of this compilation was different in some way? Maybe longer?

yes, the vinyl is different from the cd, i think it was the richard x remix.

And the there's Vietnam...

yup, got that also.

later -1

perspexorange wrote: I love that version of 'Shellshock' from the 'Pretty In Pink' soundtrack. It's easily my favourite version. It strikes a nice balance between having the 'bonus verse' that was eliminated from the 7" and 'Substance' edit, but isn't anywhere near as repetitive as the full 12" version.

As well as the three exclusive mixes on the soundtracks mentioned above (Pretty In Pink, Married To The Mob, Salvation!, Bright Lights, Big City), there's also:

'Temptation' 3:30 (from 'Something Wild')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Something-Wild-Music-From-The-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/release/13927074

one of the first soundtrack ones i got.

'Blue Monday-95' (Hardfloor Mix) 4:45 (from 'The Lakes')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Lakes/release/6158976

never heard of it, have to order it...

'Bizarre Love Triangle' 3:25 (from 'Threesome')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Threesome-Music-From-The-Motion-Picture/release/2871665

I think the latter one (BLT) isn't actually exclusive, but is just a rare mix. If I recall correctly, it also appeared on a BLT Us 12" promo:

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Bizarre-Love-Triangle/release/349673

Can anyone confirm if these are the same mixes (i.e. that 7" edit and the 'Threesome' version)? I have the latter but not the former, so can't check.

i have them, but haven't checked.

Another soundtrack of note, which doesn't contain an exclusive remix, but is still fairly interesting:

'Murder' (from 'Empire State')

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Empire-State-Original-Soundtrack-Recording/release/7859354

I have all the soundtracks listed above, plus the aforementioned 'Married To The Mob', 'Pretty In Pink' and 'Salvation!'. All on CD.

empire state is another new one for me.. but have the rest.

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back in 2004, we covered bizarre love triangle on ceremony:

'its a problem i find'queryhi no'ers,ok, i'm sure this has beenbrought up before (even recently)..in fact in :http://monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/digests/v2003.n059>> The 3:40 edit of BLT (US 12" promo) - is that on any CD?>> >> Isn't that the Single Remix?>Well, it's listed as being titled as "edit" or "Shep's Single >Mix", so depending>on what listing you go by, maybe. :)>Here's a matrix of BLT compiled from all the discography >sources.  I do thisto >illustrate how confusing the whole situation is, given that >there may be onlyreally >only 3 unique mixes and their corresponding edits (making a >total of six)and>variations thereof (an additional two, for a total of 8).>3 : 23     Bizarre Dub  Triangle3 : 23     Bizarre Love Triangle (Threesome Version)3 : 36	   Bizarre Love Triangle (Canadian Edit) [1]3 : 40     Bizarre Love Triangle (edit)3 : 43     Bizarre Love Triangle (Shep.s Single Mix)3 : 44 	   Bizarre Love Triangle (single remix)3 : 52	   Bizarre Love Triangle (album version) [2]4 : 19     Bizarre Love Triangle (LP Version)4 : 19     Bizarre Love Triangle (Original Album Version)4 : 20     Bizarre Love Triangle (Album Version)4 : 58     Bizarre Love Triangle (extended edit)4 : 59     Bizarre Love Triangle (Shep.s 12 .. Alternate Mix)6 : 41     Bizarre Love Triangle (Shep.s Extended dance)6 : 44     Bizarre Love Triangle (Shep Pettibone Remix)6 : 45     Bizarre Love Triangle (Extended Version)6 : 56     Bizarre Love Triangle (Dub Version)7 : 00	   Bizarre Dub  Triangle7 : 00	   I Don't Care (dub)7 : 03     Bizarre Love Triangle (Shep.s Dub Version)[1]  A unique edit, only available on the Canadian 7".[2]  This is what http://www.worldinmotion.net/neworder/discography/singles/1986/blt.htm     gives for the second track on Qwest PRO-CD-7587.  If it is correct.    So, to recap, there's the album version (with possibly a unique edit on a promo),a 12" remix with an edited version, a 7" remix with a Canadian-only variation, anda dub version with its own edit. 		         - --Sam=======================i just wanted to check out this mix, incase any new information, orverification has been made(or new info, t?)....12": US 1994 (Qwest PRO-A-7622) [promo]        4:59  Bizarre Love Triangle (12" alternate)(i've added the time to the discography listing)..is this the same as the 'extended edit' version(which i finally picked up)? it appears to havethe same time..but there are no credits on this12" promo: 12": US 1986 (Qwest PRO-A-2636) [promo]        4:58    Bizarre Love Triangle (extended edit)also, i have the canadian 7",and have done some listening tests,and can't really tell the differencefrom the other 7" versions..also 'the married to the mob' version,might be the 'shep single mix'......it might be time to put downthe definitive version listingfor this song..and bring theseissues to rest....(don't forget..8:59    Bizarre Love Triangle (armand van helden mix)..of course a lot of people WOULD RATHER FORGETthat it does exist, i think it can still be'salvaged' and made into another mix though.)..laterne gative     1

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heres my 3/5 Canadian slimline cd-single collection, missing regret and crystal.. don't think there are any other Canadian ones.

well the EP, world in motion, and blue monday 95 were it.

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The Japanese Music Complete box. Does that fall in the oddities class? Either way all my attempts to tie it back up in a correct and impressive manner have always met with failure . Set me back around £70 a few years ago .Took about 3 months between purchasing and delivery.

It took like six months to arrive here. Plus 100% in taxes/fees.

The Music Complete era has its own oddities, like the picture 7" of People on the High Line, featuring an exclusive mix, and a few digital ones like the full instrumental album, Restless + Tutti Frutti instrumental remixes and the Weatherall dub for Restless, unreleased anywhere to my knowledge. Not to mention the radio edits.

Somehow I managed to get the instrumentals, but it isn't even listed on Discogs. I only found this one with the extended instrumentals, which I've never heard about: https://www.discogs.com/pt\_BR/New-Order-Complete-Music-Extended-Instrumentals/release/9966702

It was discussed years ago in this thread: http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=3077

In addition, the Extended Bonus mix of Restless from the japanese CD appears to differ from all other 12"s released

Yes I have that People On The Highline picture disc 7”. That also took a while, though think that was manufacturing issues.Also have the MC CD singles card slipcase ( and the complete set of the CD singles to go in it) and the Deluxe box with the album on vinyl and 12” discs with the extended mixes.

Oh and digital files of the Weatherall dub of Restless , Radio edits of all the album tracks and Tutti Frutti STEMS ( didn’t bother with the Academic one)

They also sold an uncut version: https://www.discogs.com/pt\_BR/New-Order-People-On-The-High-Line/release/9729490

Mr. Disco wrote: They also sold an uncut version: https://www.discogs.com/pt\_BR/New-Order-People-On-The-High-Line/release/9729490

Oh ok, wasn’t aware of that one.

I have that version of Restless that appeared on the Japanese edition CD. Can’t recall how it differs so I’ll have to dig it out sometime

It's shorter and has some different drum breaks in the middle.

The japanese mix is uncredited, maybe done by New Order themselves (Morris)?

Mr. Disco wrote: They also sold an uncut version: https://www.discogs.com/pt\_BR/New-Order-People-On-The-High-Line/release/9729490

seems pretty darn rare, anyone have it?

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I would be interested at the time, if it came with yet another unreleased tracks. The regular shaped 7" was enough for me

Mr. Disco wrote:

Somehow I managed to get the instrumentals, but it isn't even listed on Discogs. I only found this one with the extended instrumentals, which I've never heard about: https://www.discogs.com/pt\_BR/New-Order-Complete-Music-Extended-Instrumentals/release/9966702

Any idea where I can get hold of copies of the Instrumentals (the extended ones or just the normal ones)?

Were they ever made available to buy?

perspexorange wrote: Any idea where I can get hold of copies of the Instrumentals (the extended ones or just the normal ones)?

Were they ever made available to buy?

The instrumental album was originally available at http://www.umusicpub.de/de-DE/Digital-Music-Library/album/63325/music-complete-instrumentals

Never reappeared since.

Fotz wrote:

Oh and digital files of the Weatherall dub of Restless , Radio edits of all the album tracks and Tutti Frutti STEMS ( didn’t bother with the Academic one)

When you say 'radio edits of all the album tracks', are you just referring to the singles, or were there radio edits for every track? As far as I knew, there were radios edits of Restless, Singularity and Tutti Frutti, plus two radio edits of POTHL (Claptone & Richard X).

Are there any others?

Mr. Disco wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Any idea where I can get hold of copies of the Instrumentals (the extended ones or just the normal ones)?

Were they ever made available to buy?

The instrumental album was originally available at http://www.umusicpub.de/de-DE/Digital-Music-Library/album/63325/music-complete-instrumentals

Never appeared since.

Thanks.

Looks like I missed my chance.

perspexorange wrote:

Fotz wrote:

Oh and digital files of the Weatherall dub of Restless , Radio edits of all the album tracks and Tutti Frutti STEMS ( didn’t bother with the Academic one)

When you say 'radio edits of all the album tracks', are you just referring to the singles, or were there radio edits for every track? As far as I knew, there were radios edits of Restless, Singularity and Tutti Frutti, plus two radio edits of POTHL (Claptone & Richard X).

Are there any others?

Well, like i said, all the album tracks.God you're a doubting Thomas at times aren't you.All the album tracks have a couple of minutes or more chopped out.Some more expertly done than others.In places some tracks just jump from one part to another.Other sections are done better or even rearranged a little.I suppose anyone who knows how do it could do it if they have the right software or something.No idea who did the edits.Think i only ever listened to it once or twice, will have to give it another spin.I'll send it to you

perspexorange wrote: When you say 'radio edits of all the album tracks', are you just referring to the singles, or were there radio edits for every track? As far as I knew, there were radios edits of Restless, Singularity and Tutti Frutti, plus two radio edits of POTHL (Claptone & Richard X).

Are there any others?

If you're considering remixes, there were the Mark Reeder's edits for both his mixes for Academic and The Game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZBCON9rNs8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJgFb6ImQJ8

Fotz wrote: God you're a doubting Thomas at times aren't you.

Probably, but keep your hair on! I was just seeking clarification.

To be fair, I've never heard of radio edits of the non-album tracks and you didn't mention where these were featured.

It just seemed odd to me that they would do radio edits of every track. Hence my question. I just wondered if you made a typo (I do loads). That seemed (to me) more likely than the band doing radio edits for every single track (especially when I hadn't previously even heard of these).

perspexorange wrote:

Fotz wrote: God you're a doubting Thomas at times aren't you.

Probably, but keep your hair on! I was just seeking clarification.

To be fair, I've never heard of radio edits of the non-album tracks and you didn't mention where these were featured.

It just seemed odd to me that they would do radio edits of every track. Hence my question. I just wondered if you made a typo (I do loads). That seemed (to me) more likely than the band doing radio edits for every single track (especially when I hadn't previously even heard of these).

Well I get the feeling the band had nothing to do with it but of course I can’t say for sure . I’m assuming they were done by someone in their bedroom who knows how to edit tracks using some sort of programme ? I think I must have stumbled across them on Soulseek, can’t remember for sure now.Anyway I’ve uploaded it to that Shared Drive. I think. I may have just shared it with myself, who knows! 😄 Give us a shout if it’s not in there.

Cheers. I’ll pull them down tomorrow.

I guess if they are ‘fan made’, that would explain why I hadn’t heard of them.

Mr. Disco wrote: I would be interested at the time, if it came with yet another unreleased tracks. The regular shaped 7" was enough for me

uncut picture discs are just that, they don't have any different tracks. they are the full size (usually round), before they get cut into smaller or different shapes.

perspexorange wrote:

Mr. Disco wrote:

Somehow I managed to get the instrumentals, but it isn't even listed on Discogs. I only found this one with the extended instrumentals, which I've never heard about: https://www.discogs.com/pt\_BR/New-Order-Complete-Music-Extended-Instrumentals/release/9966702

Any idea where I can get hold of copies of the Instrumentals (the extended ones or just the normal ones)?

Were they ever made available to buy?

people in the US (maybe in other countries?) can get all the STEMS here, and just disable the vocals.

reference post : https://www.facebook.com/muterecords/posts/get-creative-with-new-order-stems-by-native-instruments-is-the-open-multi-track-/10156258910840510/

store: https://www.junodownload.com/products/new-order-complete-music/3096789-02/

i had a few threads:

1. the extended instrumentals
2. the album edit instrumentals recreated because they were available for licensing, but no one could get them.

perspexorange wrote: Cheers. I’ll pull them down tomorrow.

I guess if they are ‘fan made’, that would explain why I hadn’t heard of them.

i think someone here on the board made them, use the search function for that.

also, there are tons of digital DJ only releases that were mentioned, here are some of them:

from my recycle 2 project:

recycle 2 - series 6 - set 1 - restless

here's an early list of mixes to be included: restless (agoria dub) 6:09 cd, dig restless (agoria mix) 6:48 v, cd restless (andrew weatherall dub) 7:13 dig restless (andrew weatherall mix) 7:47 v, cd, dig restless (andrew weatherall instrumental mix) 7:49 dig restless (album) 5:28 v, cd, dig, cs restless (extended) 9:30 v, cd, dig restless (extended 12 inch mix) 8:14 v, cd restless (extended mix) 7:09 v, cd, dig restless (rac isntrumental mix) 6:38 dig restless (rac mix) 6:44 v, cd restless (radio edit) 3:29 cd restless (single version) 4:31 v, cd restless (xxxy build up mix) 6:47 v, cd restless (xxxy dub) 6:47 dig

recycle 2 - series 6 - set 2 - tutti frutti

tutti frutti (album) 6:22 v, cd, dig, cs tutti frutti (12 inch mix 2) 7:30 v, cd, dig tutti frutti (extended) 8:05 v, dig tutti frutti (hallo halo remix) 7:02 v, cd, dig tutti frutti (hallo halo remix instrumental) 11:43 dig tutti frutti (hot chip remix) 11:44 cd, dig tutti frutti (hot chip remix edit) 8:55 v tutti frutti (hot chip remix instrumental)11:43 dig tutti frutti (radio edit) 3:40 cd tutti frutti (radio remix) 3:47 cd tutti frutti (richy ahmed remix) 9:02 v, cd, dig tutti frutti (richy ahmed remix instrumental) 9:02 dig tutti frutti (single version) 4:17 cd, dig tutti frutti (takkyu ishino remix) 7:54 v, dig tutti frutti (tom rowlands remix) 7:41 cd, dig tutti frutti (tom tragos crazy days remix) 10:31 v, cd, dig tutti frutti (tom tragos crazy days remix instrumental) 10:31 dig

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Oh, another one i forgot I even had.The Qwest 12” of True Faith. The 2 Pettibone remixes and 1963. Though one of the Pettibone remixes is named Alternate Faith Dub. Is that the same as the one on the UK remix 12” but just a different title ? Can’t remember now without giving it a spin. No idea where or when I obtained this.

Yes, True Dub = True Faith (alternate Dub)

https://www.discogs.com/fr/New-Order-True-Faith/release/106427

https://www.discogs.com/fr/New-Order-True-Faith-Remix/release/626576

some of my low life collection, some promos, some japanese cd's, uk cd, and US vinyl:

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^ liking the vinyl edition with the track listing to the right on back cover on the tracing paper ( looks like a Qwest logo at bottom)

a couple of clear vinyl:

1. In order promo - 12 inch mixes, orange vinyl (CD is single versions)
2. Factus 8 EP - US clear vinyl Record store day

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https://www.discogs.com/Lee-Coombs-Breakfast-Of-Champions/master/111540

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRSCRf\_ZPxI

Personally, I've found it more polished and less edgy than his mix on the regular single back in 2001

Mr. Disco wrote: https://www.discogs.com/Lee-Coombs-Breakfast-Of-Champions/master/111540

Personally, I've found it more polished and less edgy than his mix on the regular single back in 2001

interesting haven't heard about this before.

will have to add it to the list.

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negative1 wrote:

Mr. Disco wrote: https://www.discogs.com/Lee-Coombs-Breakfast-Of-Champions/master/111540

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRSCRf\_ZPxI

Personally, I've found it more polished and less edgy than his mix on the regular single back in 2001

interesting haven't heard about this before.

will have to add it to the list.

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It's had plenty of discussion in the past... Personally I prefer his single (remix) version. Having said that, I was a big fan of all the "Nu Skool Breaks" dance stuff that was around back then. Including Lee Coombs stuff. I like the whole album (pronounced Break fast... as in "Breaks" music)

Coombs also did yet another remix of the track about a year after the song was released. But that remix only ever got played in a DJ set he did for BBC Radio 1. I guess he still had the parts and used that (2003) remix as bait to make us listen to his DJ mix for the BBC.

*EDIT* I mentioned it here post #42 on p2 I *did* have a radio rip of it on my hard drive, but eh, that hard drive has since died...

Debaser wrote:

negative1 wrote:

Mr. Disco wrote: https://www.discogs.com/Lee-Coombs-Breakfast-Of-Champions/master/111540

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRSCRf\_ZPxI

Personally, I've found it more polished and less edgy than his mix on the regular single back in 2001

interesting haven't heard about this before.

will have to add it to the list.

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It's had plenty of discussion in the past... Personally I prefer his single (remix) version. Having said that, I was a big fan of all the "Nu Skool Breaks" dance stuff that was around back then. Including Lee Coombs stuff. I like the whole album (pronounced Break fast... as in "Breaks" music)

Coombs also did yet another remix of the track about a year after the song was released. But that remix only ever got played in a DJ set he did for BBC Radio 1. I guess he still had the parts and used that (2003) remix as bait to make us listen to his DJ mix for the BBC.

*EDIT* I mentioned it here post #42 on p2 I *did* have a radio rip of it on my hard drive, but eh, that hard drive has since died...

i saw that, but didn't know anything about it, and still don't.

maybe someone else can chime in about it.

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Well, thinking about it, it was reasonably similar to the Breakfast of Champions (BOC) mix that came out in 2004. So I guess it could be callled an early version of the BOC mix.

i guess we can throw other things in here... subway poster for factus 8 - 60x40 in, not sure where i got it or how much, getting senile...

yardstick for scale, its 36 inches

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I had one of those, subway size and all. Got mine at university in the 90s. Died of overuse a few years later.

One that has survived is my subway "Temptation" Ally Pally NYE 1999 poster.

Similar to this

Slightly less cool but certainly more unique was a huge London Records 3D foam display for "Republic" that I annoyed 78s Records in Perth into giving me in 1993. The street gymnastics it took for me to get that miles down the road into a truck in one piece in high velocity Perth winds should've won me some fan award.

It was quite the party piece until someone drunkenly bowled into it in 1996. Kind of fitting maybe. Wish I at least had a damn photo of it now.

Posters, yes I had a few back in the 80s but one reason and another they’re now all long gone. Guess the idea of having posters on my wall was something I grew out of. I had that Factus 8 one, it covered almost ceiling height to floor on my bedroom wall at the house I grew up in. Also even had Thieves Like Us one. And one with 1981 era photos of the 4 band members. Also had a massive one of the Low Life cover. Oh and a Perfect Kiss one( with a kind of a theme based on the video). Slightly annoying I no longer have any of them.

Edit: The Perfect Kiss poster was something like this , though from Googling, there’s a few variations on it

Yeah, had LowLife, Electronic and that Benelux poster up, but it's a bit adolescent innit? 'They're me favourite band!'

depthcharge wrote: I had one of those, subway size and all. Got mine at university in the 90s. Died of overuse a few years later.

One that has survived is my subway "Temptation" Ally Pally NYE 1999 poster.

Similar to this

Slightly less cool but certainly more unique was a huge London Records 3D foam display for "Republic" that I annoyed 78s Records in Perth into giving me in 1993. The street gymnastics it took for me to get that miles down the road into a truck in one piece in high velocity Perth winds should've won me some fan award.

It was quite the party piece until someone drunkenly bowled into it in 1996. Kind of fitting maybe. Wish I at least had a damn photo of it now.

nice, interesting stories about those.

the first link doesn't work though.

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here's the very busy promo poster for singles...

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☝️ complete with 1988 Brazilian "Tutti Frutti" promo 12" sleeve image, which never should have been on there IMHO.

EDIT oops, I mean '89. I don't think I've ever heard these medleys/Megamixes

discogs

Debaser wrote: ☝️ complete with 1988 Brazilian "Tutti Frutti" promo 12" sleeve image, which never should have been on there IMHO.

EDIT oops, I mean '89. I don't think I've ever heard these medleys/Megamixes

discogs

was just about to ask about that. another thing to try to hunt down someday.

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Framed pixelated version of the 12"s montage they did for New Order 30.

[albumimg]161[/albumimg]

Fotz wrote: Posters, yes I had a few back in the 80s but one reason and another they’re now all long gone. Guess the idea of having posters on my wall was something I grew out of. I had that Factus 8 one, it covered almost ceiling height to floor on my bedroom wall at the house I grew up in. Also even had Thieves Like Us one. And one with 1981 era photos of the 4 band members. Also had a massive one of the Low Life cover. Oh and a Perfect Kiss one( with a kind of a theme based on the video). Slightly annoying I no longer have any of them.

Edit: The Perfect Kiss poster was something like this , though from Googling, there’s a few variations on it

is that poster really worth UKP 1000? wow.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Order-Perfect-Kiss-Poster-Babara-Kruger-RARE/274399084759?hash=item3fe375c0d7:g:b1oAAOSwh-Je6Mut

i don't even like how it looks, i'd prefer it to be the saville 12 inch cover.

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depthcharge wrote: Framed pixelated version of the 12"s montage they did for New Order 30.

[albumimg]161[/albumimg]

very nice, where was that sold, or was it in store promo. wouldn't mind getting that one.

also, this one looks nice too:

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this is my most prized possession from new order.

an autographed copy of temptation by the original 4. if i could only keep one item from them, this would be it.

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negative1 wrote: this is my most prized possession from new order.

an autographed copy of temptation by the original 4. if i could only keep one item from them, this would be it.

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Looks really nice... I think my only item signed by all four is the fluffy Republic

negative1 wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Framed pixelated version of the 12"s montage they did for New Order 30.

[albumimg]161[/albumimg]

very nice, where was that sold, or was it in store promo. wouldn't mind getting that one.

also, this one looks nice too:

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It was free with the 30 years of New Order issue of Clash magazine I think. So 30 years would have been 2010. Or 2011, depending on if you classed 30 years from when they formed New Order or 30 years since their first release in 1981. I have a feeling it was 30 years since they formed , so 2010. Either way, I never managed to obtain a copy and so don’t have the poster.

Awesome... I thought they weren't even talking to each other circa Republic, let alone signing stuff. I have an extremely rare copy of Unknown Pleasures. Unsigned by Peter Hook. Goes for thousands. Did you meet them personally or did you purchase these items? The only one I've ''''met'''' was Hooky for autographs with The Light. That's me he's signing for and shaking hands with at the end of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIxdEzg0F5s . What a star. He's famous too.

Fotz wrote:

negative1 wrote:

depthcharge wrote: Framed pixelated version of the 12"s montage they did for New Order 30.

[albumimg]161[/albumimg]

very nice, where was that sold, or was it in store promo. wouldn't mind getting that one.

also, this one looks nice too:

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It was free with the 30 years of New Order issue of Clash magazine I think. So 30 years would have been 2010. Or 2011, depending on if you classed 30 years from when they formed New Order or 30 years since their first release in 1981. I have a feeling it was 30 years since they formed , so 2010. Either way, I never managed to obtain a copy and so don’t have the poster.

That was certainly the cover image on Clash magazine but I don't remember the poster coming with it. 🤔

Mine certainly didn't...

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Did you meet them personally or did you purchase these items?

Met them in person.

^ Oh , yep you’re both correct I guess. Don’t know where I got the idea the poster came free with the magazine. I must have incorrectly assumed it did . Sorry for mistake. Oops.

Mr. Disco wrote: Mine certainly didn't...

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Did you meet them personally or did you purchase these items?

Met them in person.

Cool. I once met Cameron Diaz. I admit it was intimidating, finally face to face with the world's most gorgeous, talented, successful, strikingly attractive, fabulously wealthy, megastar sex symbol... But after the initial nerves, she calmed down.

Fotz wrote: ^ Oh , yep you’re both correct I guess. Don’t know where I got the idea the poster came free with the magazine. I must have incorrectly assumed it did . Sorry for mistake. Oops.

yes, i have the magazine, maybe i should just get this blown up to poster size, or print my own.

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Michael Monkhouse wrote: Awesome... I thought they weren't even talking to each other circa Republic, let alone signing stuff. I have an extremely rare copy of Unknown Pleasures. Unsigned by Peter Hook. Goes for thousands. Did you meet them personally or did you purchase these items? The only one I've ''''met'''' was Hooky for autographs with The Light. That's me he's signing for and shaking hands with at the end of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIxdEzg0F5s . What a star. He's famous too.

Did you ask him to take his t-shirt off first or does he always do that before bowing? Strange fellow.

Phwoar.

several of my advertising promos...

the new order flipbook, which is flattened out, and not as bad as it used to be before

the republic flat

the technique cherub standup

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I got the 4th February 1989 issue of NME at the time with the Technique stickers thing. Couldn’t resist back then sticking them on a cassette I made of the album. Still have it.

Yes! Found it at last. The fold out promo card thing for Get Ready. Was beginning to think I’d accidentally thrown it out.Can’t remember how I obtained it now but it was around the time of Crystal and Get Ready. Maybe the record shop was giving them away with the Crystal CD single or something?...

That Republic stuff is awesome. Shame the album's such a fucking pile of total and utter fucking shit. I remember reading about the Technique stickers in the Record Mirror article. Never seen them though. I remember that substandard Pleasures and Wankward Distractions buke moaning about how shops outside the UK had stickers to tell people what they were buying. Indie snob.

negative1 wrote:

Fotz wrote: ^ Oh , yep you’re both correct I guess. Don’t know where I got the idea the poster came free with the magazine. I must have incorrectly assumed it did . Sorry for mistake. Oops.

yes, i have the magazine, maybe i should just get this blown up to poster size, or print my own.

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The Wakefield design was used in that Clash Magazine retrospective.

Afterwards the image was blown up and officially released as a limited quantity print on high quality paper stock, with titles.

the electronic sound magazine with the free mark reeder 7 inch:

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a get ready card banner, and postcard:

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negative1 wrote: the electronic sound magazine with the free mark reeder 7 inch:

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Totally forgot about that one... I also have the Reeder compilation featuring both his Academic and The Game remixes

depthcharge wrote: Framed pixelated version of the 12"s montage they did for New Order 30.

[albumimg]161[/albumimg]

Have exactly that on my wall too. Lovely.

I really haven't had that level of interest since the mid 90s. The last oddity I picked up was probably Run 2.

Here's a promotional folder from Japan for Republic. Nice item.

Fucking Hell. How could they make so much out of so little? London outdo themselves yet again.

the official power corruption and lies stamp from the Royal Mail

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Occidental wrote: Here's a promotional folder from Japan for Republic. Nice item.

thanks for posting those.

thats some really weird imagery for the album.

but its japanese, so thats probably why.

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There's another exclusive BM95 Hardfloor Edit (6'15) here:

https://www.discogs.com/fr/Various-Wired-New-Directions-In-Dance/release/80615

Jcp7 wrote: There's another exclusive BM95 Hardfloor Edit (6'15) here:

https://www.discogs.com/fr/Various-Wired-New-Directions-In-Dance/release/80615

yeah, i have that one, it's a pretty good compilation too. electronic and 808 state, the grid, fluke, underworld, stone roses too.

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here are 3/4 of the promo cd singles, missing people on the highline, (and another tutti frutti one, but i'm not worried about that one).

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here's the first part of the technique tourbook.

the pages are all separate, so you can look at individual pages,

but here's the first 2 when open.

they are all oversized, and printed on excellent quality glossy paper, and excellent ink which hasn't faded after all these years..

here's the front pages, note they are out of order, because the back of the pages, are in different order to match up when its opened. confusing?

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here are the back of the pages...

lots of cool shots in there...

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I bought the tourbook at uni circa 96. Has anyone else whiled away a bored afternoon by jerking off to the Round and Round video?

Doh, another item I forgot I have until someone mentions it. My copy battered and faded now but still in one piece. Think it was mentioned in NME in around September 1989 and an address you could send a cheque to and request a copy which I promptly did.

Always thought photo #14 was and is weird. I guess it’s Hooky but looks nothing like him

Fotz wrote: Doh, another item I forgot I have until someone mentions it. My copy battered and faded now but still in one piece. Think it was mentioned in NME in around September 1989 and an address you could send a cheque to and request a copy which I promptly did.

Always thought photo #14 was and is weird. I guess it’s Hooky but looks nothing like him

hmmm, was your copy out in the open or in lighted areas.

almost everything i have is stored in plastic tubs from the time i got them.

i'm just opening things up after 30 plus years. also, besides looking at it a few times, and scanning it, i've never touched it again until now.

i guess the colors can fade, how are the other pages, did they fade also?

i got mine from the tour, i never buy tshirts, but i love tourbooks.

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more information about the technique tourbook:

"Rare ‘tour book’/ one-off magazine/ lookbook made for New Order’s US Technique tour with photographs of the band plus Tony Wilson, Rob Gretton, Martin Hannett etc, all by Donald Christie. 24 numbered plates of Saville’s art- work, captioned with enigmatic texts and accompanied by a # such as “#HowCoolIsColdness” and as such invent-ing ‘hashtagging’ in the process. Still life images such as a blooming peony and a bust of Louis XIV, as well as the iconic ‘Dichromat’ cherub, are interspersed with portraits of the band. The book was never properly distributed, as it was not published in time for the tour because Saville was deliberating over the design. Saville remarked recent- ly that: “Most of them weren’t shipped and remained in a basement in Manchester. Factory was gone within three to four years, so who knows what happened to them. Maybe they were thrown away, maybe someone took them home.” (ShowStudio, interview, 2016)."

did new order have any other tourbooks for other tours?

i never looked before.

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How Cool Is Coldness is quoted in NOStory too. Invented hashtags? In the words of Sylvia Plath, bollocks.

Saville invented hashtagging? Lol. No. Just no.

In the tour book the hash/number symbol precedes the number of the photo, not the quote FFS! There’s a space between the hash symbol/number and the quote. The thing of putting a hash/ number symbol ( actually the name for the symbol is Octothorpe, look it up) before a number is something that’s been around forever hasn’t it???!!

The # symbol has meant "number" or "pound" (in the U.S.) since 1850. It only came to be a "hashtag" with the rise of social media in 2007.

In the tour book, the symbol is paired with the image number, not the quote. It's ridiculous to think Saville or the like invented hashtags in 1989.

#14 is not Hook. It's one of their road crew testing a microphone.

I bought my first copy through eBay in 1998. It's still crisp, and the fluorescent orange hasn't faded.

Promo Box

One of my personal faves

50poundnote wrote:

In the tour book, the symbol is paired with the image number, not the quote.

Exactly! Thankyou!

50poundnote wrote:

#14 is not Hook. It's one of their road crew testing a microphone.

Ah, thanks for solving that one, it often puzzled me.

here's the promo flexi from the echo and the bunnymen, gene loves jezebel tour..

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^ Ooh I’ve never heard of or seen that flexi for the 87 US tour. Great find. That’s a rare one that. 3 tracks on one side of a 7” flexi though? Dread to think what the sound quality is like. Still, a great rare one to own I should think.

Fotz wrote: ^ Ooh I’ve never heard of or seen that flexi for the 87 US tour. Great find. That’s a rare one that. 3 tracks on one side of a 7” flexi though? Dread to think what the sound quality is like. Still, a great rare one to own I should think.

According to Discogs it's a 9" flexi - never seen one of those before, but if it really has the Substance CD version of Shame of the Nation on it - then that's nearly 8 minutes on it's own!

The Bunnymen track is 4 minutes and I don't know the GLJ song at all, but even if it's 3 minutes, that's still 15 minutes of music on a 9" flexi..ouch

I read about it in the Record Mirror double article. The sound quality Is irrelevant as you wouldn't wanna play anyway cos you'd ruin it and you'd have the actual material in high quality on the 'proper' issue anyway.

GotBlueEyes wrote:

Fotz wrote: ^ Ooh I’ve never heard of or seen that flexi for the 87 US tour. Great find. That’s a rare one that. 3 tracks on one side of a 7” flexi though? Dread to think what the sound quality is like. Still, a great rare one to own I should think.

According to Discogs it's a 9" flexi - never seen one of those before, but if it really has the Substance CD version of Shame of the Nation on it - then that's nearly 8 minutes on it's own!

The Bunnymen track is 4 minutes and I don't know the GLJ song at all, but even if it's 3 minutes, that's still 15 minutes of music on a 9" flexi..ouch

I believe it was the 7" edit. Although I might be confusing it with the 3X12" promo of the bands for the same tour. That came in a sleeve fitting all 3 that I would also store my flexi inside. Got rid of my vinyl ages ago so can't confirm.

in my custom canvas box, i put:

UK atmosphere cd single Canadian cd single cardsleeve cardboard recreation 8 postcards

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GotBlueEyes wrote:

Fotz wrote: ^ Ooh I’ve never heard of or seen that flexi for the 87 US tour. Great find. That’s a rare one that. 3 tracks on one side of a 7” flexi though? Dread to think what the sound quality is like. Still, a great rare one to own I should think.

According to Discogs it's a 9" flexi - never seen one of those before, but if it really has the Substance CD version of Shame of the Nation on it - then that's nearly 8 minutes on it's own!

The Bunnymen track is 4 minutes and I don't know the GLJ song at all, but even if it's 3 minutes, that's still 15 minutes of music on a 9" flexi..ouch

Gave the (uncredited) As You Said on the Komakino/Incubation 7” flexi a spin the other night. On my recently bought expensive headphones I swear I could i hear Komakino from the other side playing ( backwards?) . Is that possible??!!!...

here are the music complete boxsets, the UK slipcase cover with the sticker, and the japanese singles boxset.

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closer to the Japanese and UK singles.. the UK ones are all sealed.

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Oh boy this is too much. Oh boy they're going at it again.

Five years later, I'm still surprised with Music Complete... after the original bassist departure and Never Cry Another Tear (Sumner's weakest effort by far IMHO) I was expecting catastrophe. But it still sounds really fresh, and Academic is up there with the classics.... well, almost.

I could easily trade Superheated for Be a Rebel, mind you.

....and yeah, I do enjoy it more than WFTSC.

republic blue and silver ink puffy sleeve version

always wondered what it looked like on the inside, since my silver version has been sealed since i bought it.

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negative1 wrote: republic blue and silver ink puffy sleeve version

always wondered what it looked like on the inside, since my silver version has been sealed since i bought it.

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Was it ever confirmed whether the yellow promo version ever truly existed at all? I saw a picture of one years ago but never glimpsed one in the wild...

negative1 wrote: republic blue and silver ink puffy sleeve version

always wondered what it looked like on the inside, since my silver version has been sealed since i bought it.

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Had both back in the day and owner of the record store I worked at said Label Rep told him the blue version was rarer. Never saw any evidence to back this up.

I do recall that although the puffy version was given it's own product number unique to that of the standard U.S. release. But if you look at the manufacturer numbers engraved on the disc, it has the standard product number and the top of the disc is just painted over a standard one.

daftpunk wrote:

Was it ever confirmed whether the yellow promo version ever truly existed at all? I saw a picture of one years ago but never glimpsed one in the wild...

sorry, never heard of a yellow version. just found out about the blue one.

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negative1 wrote:

daftpunk wrote:

Was it ever confirmed whether the yellow promo version ever truly existed at all? I saw a picture of one years ago but never glimpsed one in the wild...

sorry, never heard of a yellow version. just found out about the blue one.

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Yellow Repub

Probably referring to this one. Always wondered about it myself as I've never seen one for sale despite years of looking.

Just a hunch, but it's very hard to take an accurate photo of fluorescent orange, and it wouldn't make sense to emulate the orange inflatable ring on the cover by creating a yellow puffy sleeve. I think it's either a photo that hasn't been color-corrected, or it's sun damage, but not actually yellow.

50poundnote wrote: Just a hunch, but it's very hard to take an accurate photo of fluorescent orange, and it wouldn't make sense to emulate the orange inflatable ring on the cover by creating a yellow puffy sleeve. I think it's either a photo that hasn't been color-corrected, or it's sun damage, but not actually yellow.

huh? those are totally different colors. there's no way orange would show up as yellow.

funny thing, i ordered the blue ink republic, and the guy sent me pictures, and they showed up as silver, but he insisted they were blue.

sure enough, when it showed up, it was blue.

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negative1 wrote:

50poundnote wrote: Just a hunch, but it's very hard to take an accurate photo of fluorescent orange, and it wouldn't make sense to emulate the orange inflatable ring on the cover by creating a yellow puffy sleeve. I think it's either a photo that hasn't been color-corrected, or it's sun damage, but not actually yellow.

huh? those are totally different colors. there's no way orange would show up as yellow.

funny thing, i ordered the blue ink republic, and the guy sent me pictures, and they showed up as silver, but he insisted they were blue.

sure enough, when it showed it, it was blue.

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It looks like the label on the yellow version says it's a promo - if the [rare?] promos are yellow that might start to make sense why nobody seems to have one...

There were several issues of Republic. Each version came out on their new label London, each version contained 11 tracks including four singles, and each version was total and utter fucking shit.

negative1 wrote:

50poundnote wrote: Just a hunch, but it's very hard to take an accurate photo of fluorescent orange, and it wouldn't make sense to emulate the orange inflatable ring on the cover by creating a yellow puffy sleeve. I think it's either a photo that hasn't been color-corrected, or it's sun damage, but not actually yellow.

huh? those are totally different colors. there's no way orange would show up as yellow.

funny thing, i ordered the blue ink republic, and the guy sent me pictures, and theyshowed up as silver, but he insisted they were blue.

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So we know from The Dress that colours can show up differently in photos than in real life. And we also know from the above experience in bold that this can hapen.

Well, considering orange and yellow are next to each other on the colour spectrum, it seems plausible enough to me that it could just be a weird photo, and that it's really orange.

negative1 wrote:

50poundnote wrote: Just a hunch, but it's very hard to take an accurate photo of fluorescent orange, and it wouldn't make sense to emulate the orange inflatable ring on the cover by creating a yellow puffy sleeve. I think it's either a photo that hasn't been color-corrected, or it's sun damage, but not actually yellow.

huh? those are totally different colors. there's no way orange would show up as yellow.

There is. That's what happens when you try to scan a fluorescent orange object. There is no yellow version.

negative1 wrote: huh? those are totally different colors. there's no way orange would show up as yellow.

I do know what I'm talking about.

Put your copy on a flatbed scanner and see how the color comes out. I ended up photographing mine in indirect sunlight to get a hi-res version with the correct color. You can even see along the edges that it looks a little more yellow than orange.

Republic puffy sleeve

Michael Monkhouse wrote: There were several issues of Republic. Each version came out on their new label London, each version contained 11 tracks including four singles, and each version was total and utter fucking shit.

I (and many others here) have the 13 track version.

This is what it looks like on a flatbed scanner with no color correction. Fluorescent orange doesn't scan, or photograph well under certain conditions.

There is no yellow puffy sleeve version.

Republic raw scan

Andy wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: There were several issues of Republic. Each version came out on their new label London, each version contained 11 tracks including four singles, and each version was total and utter fucking shit.

I (and many others here) have the 13 track version.

That's the bit you don't agree with.

50poundnote wrote: This is what it looks like on a flatbed scanner with no color correction. Fluorescent orange doesn't scan, or photograph well under certain conditions.

There is no yellow puffy sleeve version.

Republic raw scan

wow, you had me fooled. will try mine out on a scanner.

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Mr. Disco wrote:

negative1 wrote:

50poundnote wrote: Just a hunch, but it's very hard to take an accurate photo of fluorescent orange, and it wouldn't make sense to emulate the orange inflatable ring on the cover by creating a yellow puffy sleeve. I think it's either a photo that hasn't been color-corrected, or it's sun damage, but not actually yellow.

huh? those are totally different colors. there's no way orange would show up as yellow.

There is. That's what happens when you try to scan a fluorescent orange object. There is no yellow version.

50poundnote wrote: This is what it looks like on a flatbed scanner with no color correction. Fluorescent orange doesn't scan, or photograph well under certain conditions.

There is no yellow puffy sleeve version.

Republic raw scan

i'm sorry, but there must be something wrong with your scanner.

i've tried 3 different ones, hp scanjet g4050, brother, and canon, and none are having that issue. i did not adjust any settings, or use any autocorrect features in the software either.

here's the scans from the hp one:

full untouched 300 dpi scans. https://i.ibb.co/PWt6cP0/front.jpg https://i.ibb.co/jL55B4y/back.jpg

i would think its just another color, so i'm not sure why it wouldn't show up right.

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There's nothing wrong with my scanner, it's a brand new Epson V39.

I'm not the only person upthread who talks about fluorescent colors being difficult to scan and/or variance.

That's the image as scanned at 600dpi, with no correction. What could I possibly have to gain by arguing with you or trying to convince you there's not a yellow puffy case? There simply isn't one.

50poundnote wrote: There's nothing wrong with my scanner, it's a brand new Epson V39.

I'm not the only person upthread who talks about fluorescent colors being difficult to scan and/or variance.

That's the image as scanned at 600dpi, with no correction. What could I possibly have to gain by arguing with you or trying to convince you there's not a yellow puffy case? There simply isn't one.

well, i agree about that. guess i have to ask the new order discography guy, where he got the scan from.

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Are you really going to hound poor old Torbjorn with this one? He's in New Order retirement.

I've never seen one in 28 years of looking and I've heard several times from the biggest NO collectors in the world that this simply does not exist. If that's not conclusive enough, you'd have to assume that surely someone somewhere would've added a copy to Discogs by now.

As 50poundnote demonstrated, some scanners clearly reproduce the yellow/blue combo.

On top of this, some copies of the blue text version also have the clear promo sticker on front. So that counters any lingering argument about the yellow being the promo version.

Case is closed on this one.

Yeah, with the free for all of the Net, I'm sure that if the sleeve existed, there'd be an image somewhere. It was the same with the Pet Shop boys' True Faith remix - links just went to the Shep Pettyboner version. Surely it'd be somewhere... I googled the 13-track Republic and found the Sabres' mixes on the end. As I pointed out before, these things are a mixed blessing in disguise. At least Repubelick ends well - do you want, really really want two mixes they probably never even listened to stuck on at the end? It was the same with the McCartney Collection's Press to Play - not his best album, but with a glorious orchestral finish/flourish. Or above plus ten sex silence followed by three tracks that even the Macca of 86 relegated to B-side status - and you could Youtube anyway. Less is more and all that.

I mean, why would they even have done a version in that ‘orrible yellow ? Looks truly yuck. Would have made no sense whatsoever .