New Order Oddities (or New Orderties, if you like)

50poundnote wrote: I was able to sync up the two and play them at the same time.

While the music bed is largely the same for both, the instrumental rough mix adds more guitar riffing where the vocals would start.

Also, it's obvious they edited together different takes, because the beat goes out of sync in a couple of sections of the instrumental mix, but then gets back in sync for other sections. The most obvious place is the guitar scrape into the full band. The instrumental take is not double-tracked, and runs a split second too long.

Oh, and the obvious faster fade.

Thanks for doing this. I should mention though that we were talking about the ‘edit’ version that was on the 10” LP given away with ‘Debut’ magazine, issue 11:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Debut-LP-Magazine-Issue-11/release/917525

rather than the ‘instrumental rough mix’ given away with the ‘Discreet Campaigns’ cassette magazine:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Discreet-Campaigns/master/400971

Despite comments on that top Discogs link, the ‘edit’ version isn’t an instrumental, but a vocal version.

That being said, I hadn’t noticed the beat going out of sync. I’ll give the ‘instrumental rough mix’ another listen today and listen out for the bits you refer to. Thanks for the info..

Fotz wrote: Remembered I have this. Not of much interest but an official release if nothing else. Album called Like A Girl, I Want You To Keep Coming. One New Order track included - a live version of Sister Ray ( ok a cover version, not a NO song) recorded in Sao Paulo 1st Dec 1988. Bought the CD sometime around 1989 I think.

Although I first heard about this LP whilst reading a Record Collector article in 1990-1, I only got hold of it about 2-3 years ago.

It’s a pretty intriguing little curiosity, with a distinctly odd choice for the New Order track. ‘Sister Ray’? If you wanted to include a track by the band, you’d think they’d have picked something a bit better known and more representative of their sound.

I will also say that I really hate both the cover art and the name of the compilation. It seems like they were trying to be ‘edgy’ and controversial.

Still, an interesting oddity.

^ Yep, always thought that myself about that CD. Horrible title and horrible artwork!

Got it; great audio, hopefully the full gig would be featured on the Technique box? All of those shows in Brazil were recorded

Mr. Disco wrote: All of those shows in Brazil were recorded

Soundboard recordings? Wow. Didn't know that.

I guess it makes sense that most of the later gigs would've been recorded.

You're still Out Of My League. I used to be a vinyl completist and only bought other formats if they had exclusives - so I didn't ''need'' the Regret CD but tracked down all the RIAD releases. I gave up years ago for practical reasons (storage, moving house etc), plus I was sick of London's oldie to newbie rate. I'm nowhere near as passionate as I used to be, and YouTube has the proverbiale kitchen sink. Didn't bother with the Redpubelick CD cos there was nothing on it except the (mediocre) album, which they'd already done to death. I got the Video 586 12" and yeah, It had As You Said on the Bside and a postcard of the same image as the Fart and Sole box shit, which came out at the same timeish. The CD just had the Aside. The funny part is I've never played it cos I didn't have a turntable and when I left the country I left it with my ''''family'''', so it's probably been chucked out. I only had the Featuremist edit and didn't hear the full version till the Be Music compilation a year ago. I read that Record Collector article too and assumed the Sister Ray was the One I had on the Demos, Outtakes and Rarities cassette, but it ain't. I'd rather have this than another Blue Monday mic but you're right, the title and cover are trying too hard. There was also an Oz's Live and Dangerous mix (not really a mix) on the New Order The Remix boot, and of course the BBC Radio 1 Live release.

Come to think (that's my brain in reverse), I also got the JD flexi through mail order, featuring the instrumental, which wasn't compiled till Tart and Hole, plus the 1990 Cumfusion 12". In fact I had pretty much all the vinyl from JD through those iffy off-shoots to Raise the Pisser, and it'd be worth about a Grand, especially after Factory went bust, but even if it hasn't been chucked out, poor condition has an enormous effective on value. I'd only spend the money on Special Brew and whores anyway. Then there was the Record Mirror Subculture mix, but without the actual mag, and again, it's in poor nick. I picked it up at the local flea market, with another freebie featuring the Per Shop Boys' In the Night. Arthur Baker transformed that track.

this one is still around, and not that hard to find, palatine lane, with the intermedes... or the happy one. you can digitally create it by combining them from here or the laserdisc:

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Palatine-Lane/release/435836

Various ‎– Palatine Lane Label: Factory ‎– FAC 303 Format: CD, Promo, Compilation Country: France Released: 1991 Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: Synth-pop, Indie Rock Tracklist 1 –New Order Intermede Musical N°1 0:34 2 –Joy Division Transmission 3:39 3 –New Order Intermede Musical N°2 0:19 4 –A Certain Ratio Shack Up 3:16 5 –New Order Intermede Musical N°3 0:17 6 –Stockholm Monsters Partyline 5:52 7 –New Order Intermede Musical N°4 0:19 8 –Northside (2) Rising Star 6:29 9 –New Order Intermede Musical N°5 0:19 10 –Cath Carroll Moves Like You 4:13 11 –New Order Intermede Musical N°6 1:00 Total Time: 26:17

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Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf...

I don't have this. And I'm not sure why.

Edit - I do now. Just purchased a (hopefully) mint copy on Discogs. £30 inc. postage.

I love the fact that they couldn't even be arsed to complete the Happy One but still gave it THREE airings: Other Side of Midnight, Substance 89 and Palatine Lane. Then there was Let's Go, which they considered too weak for an album featuring Face Up, and then used for Salvation, 1963-95, US Best Of and the Brotherhood remaster. It's clear they put it on the Best Of not cos it is indeed worthy, but cos it was the closest they could get to a newbie - like Hellbent on Scrotal. It's the same mentality that puts unreleased tracks on Hits Compilations (DUH) or Move Over Miss L on The John Lennon Collection: hardly 'Plastic Ono Band' fodder but the bastards knew fans would be missing a five-year-old Bside.

Since we're talking about promos and stuff here, I have to say the radio edit for Restless remains my favourite version, so much better than both single, album and extended versions any time.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I love the fact that they couldn't even be arsed to complete the Happy One but still gave it THREE airings

Pretty sure that was down to Tony Wilson, who loved it. He found a way to get it out there even though it wasn't finished.

Tony was a magnificent human being. Sorely missed.

perspexorange wrote: I don't have this. And I'm not sure why.

Edit - I do now. Just purchased a (hopefully) mint copy on Discogs. £30 inc. postage.

this thread might end up costing a fortune, if people start buying things,

i'll take the blame.

but i do like when people point out things that i don't have, as long as they are relatively cheap.

the brotherhood box was kind of expensive, and i'm sure the other items brought up will set me back a lot too, but thats from me not knowing about them, or not having the funds to get the items when they came out.

a lot of them are promo items, which would have never been in most stores anyways.

or in foreign countries, and magazines, or stores... your mileage may vary.

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Jcp7 wrote: Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf...

hopefully you'll find it, but if needed there are several copies still out there for purchase.

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negative1 wrote:

i'll take the blame.

So you should!

You've spurred me into action!

negative1 wrote:

Jcp7 wrote: Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf...

hopefully you'll find it, but if needed there are several copies still out there for purchase.

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Yes I hope. I'm pretty sure this CD is very near another promo CD in a cardboard sleeve. I think it's a Revenge CD (true passion 2.0 sampler...).

Jcp7 wrote:

negative1 wrote:

Jcp7 wrote: Mine is lost somewhere on a shelf...

hopefully you'll find it, but if needed there are several copies still out there for purchase.

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Yes I hope. I'm pretty sure this CD is very near another promo CD in a cardboard sleeve. I think it's a Revenge CD (true passion 2.0 sampler...).

i've taken out tons of cd's from card sleeves and put them in other cases, and with other cd's, it's driving me crazy trying to find them now.

especially with the 3 inch ones.

luckily i keep all the new order ones together, so i only have to go through 100 cd singles, or more to find something. i don't mix up electronic, revenge, new order, bernard sumner, etc. then it would be a real mess.

luckily i haven't lost an actual cd, i just can't find where i put them. ha ha.

now, with these posts, i'm forced to go back and dig them out.

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speaking of the happy one, i didn't get the substance laserdisc, because i got the 'best of' later on.

but it did have the happy one on it. https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Substance-1989/release/4770280

New Order ‎– Substance 1989 Label: Virgin Vision ‎– TELP-42036 Format: Laserdisc, 12", Compilation, NTSC Country: Japan Released: 21 May 1991 Genre: Electronic Style: New Wave, Electro, Synth-pop TracklistShow Credits 1 Confusion 3:57 2 The Perfect Kiss 9:29 3 Shellshock 3:15 4 Bizarre Love Triangle 3:54 5 True Faith 4:24 6 Touched By The Hand Of God 4:19 7 Blue Monday 1988 4:07 Total Time: 33:25

this is one i have: https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-The-Best-Of-NewOrder/release/1710222

NewOrder* ‎– (The Best Of) NewOrder Label: PolyGram Video ‎– POLD - 1011 Format: Laserdisc, NTSC, Compilation Country: Japan Released: 25 Jan 1995 Genre: Electronic Style: Synth-pop TracklistShow Credits A1 TrueFaith-94 A2 Regret A3 Run A4 Bizarre Love Triangle A5 Fine Time A6 The Perfect Kiss A7 Shellshock A8 Confusion A9 Blue Monday-88 B1 Round & Round-94 B2 World B3 Ruined In A Day B4 State Of The Nation B5 Touched By The Hand Of God B6 World In Motion B7 Spooky B8 True Faith B9 Round & Round "Patti"

one i wish i did have, is the 'pumped full of drugs':

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Pumped-Full-Of-Drugs/release/5955799

New Order ‎– Pumped Full Of Drugs Label: Columbia ‎– 78C58-6098, Factory ‎– 78C58-6098 Format: Laserdisc, 12", Single Sided, NTSC, CLV Country: Japan Released: 21 Aug 1985 Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: Synth-pop Tracklist A1 Confusion 5:16 A2 Love Vigilantes 4:21 A3 We All Stand 4:34 A4 As It Is When It Was 4:54 A5 Subculture 4:40 A6 Face Up 5:26 A7 Sunrise 5:33 Encore A8 This Time Of Night 4:54 A9 Blue Monday 7:55 Total Time: 47:33

i do have the neworder story though:

https://www.discogs.com/NewOrder-NewOrder-Story/release/3890438

NewOrder* ‎– NewOrder Story Label: PolyGram Video ‎– POLD-1007/8 Format: All Media, Compilation Laserdisc, 12", NTSC Laserdisc, 12", Single Sided, NTSC Country: Japan Released: 1993 Genre: Electronic, Non-Music Style: Interview, House, Electro, Synth-pop Tracklist A1 –Joy Division Transmission A2 –Joy Division Love Will Tear Us Apart A3 –New Order Ceremony A4 –New Order Temptation A5 –New Order Blue Monday A6 –New Order Touched By The Hand Of God A7 –New Order Bizarre Love Triangle A8 –New Order Confusion A9 –New Order Shellshock B1 –New Order State Of The Nation B2 –New Order Perfect Kiss B3 –New Order True Faith B4 –New Order Round & Round B5 –New Order World In Motion B6 –New Order Fine Time B7 –New Order Regret C1 –New Order Temptation C2 –New Order Everyone Everywhere C3 –New Order Ruined In A Day C4 –New Order World C5 –Joy Division Atmosphere

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here are my two discs:

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Been meaning to ask about these for a while, so this thread is a good chance to. (You can see a slightly larger photo here.)

Retro signed

Picked them up years ago, on auction I think. The discs are CD-R promos for Retro, which themselves are not too uncommon or valuable.

But I've never seen signed inserts besides these ones I bought.

I'm no expert, but the signatures look pretty authentic?

Anyone know if these were part of a promotion or something?

FACt. It's more fun collecting New Order than listening to it.

Occidental wrote: I'm no expert, but the signatures look pretty authentic?

They do to me...

I have an extremely rare copy of Unknown Pleasures. Unsigned by Peter Hook.

Yep - those signatures definitely look real to me. Very nice items.

Love those laser discs too, negative1.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: FACt. It's more fun collecting New Order than listening to it.

The truth in that statement is that someone that collects 100% of everything from a single group, but only moderate amounts of releases from others is going to suffer from diminishing returns at some point. Unless you're listening to (or gazing at/caressing) it to the exclusion of others artists, you're probably overdoing it. Diversify.

Andy wrote:

The truth in that statement is that someone that collects 100% of everything from a single group, but only moderate amounts of releases from others is going to suffer from diminishing returns at some point. Unless you're listening to (or gazing at/caressing) it to the exclusion of others artists, you're probably overdoing it. Diversify.

i think it's a lot more fun collecting new order than listening also, because besides the boxsets, they really haven't put out anything worth listening to after brotherhood. (beyond an initial time or two)

YES, the singles, remixes, etc, etc. but that's still not much to get.

so, once you get the album tracks, if you're not interested in the singles or mixes, there really isnt much else to get.

if you do get the singles, b-sides, soundtracks, and miscallaneous projects, videos, that covers most of their output too.

it's all the crazy formats, foreign pressings, colored vinyl, record store tracks, boxes, and other things that make it fun.

i don't bother talking about the music anymore, unless its the demos, because there really isnt anything of note. not a whole was said about 'be a rebel', that hasn't been said before.

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Quote: 'they really haven't put out anything worth listening to after brotherhood' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW7skJLjTJY

here's the collection of the 3inch mini cd singles i have..

touched by the hand of God, blue monday 88, round and remix, and world in motion(german)

are there any others out there besides promo's. not sure.

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