I was thinking about this whole thing of International and Retro... and suddenly came to my mind that MAYBE all this edition fever has to do with NO trying to end with the London Records contract. I mean, for record companies contracts a 4 CD set is equal to a 4 album release. I don´t know how many albums they agreed to release. but republic, get ready, international and retro mean 7 releases. that´s quite a number for these kind of contracts. many artists did this when they wanted to end a business relationship with a company and started editing many things in order to legally fulfill the contract. I don´t know if this could be true because I don´t know the terms of NO/LR relationship. but it doesn´t sound that crazy when you think about it. what do you think?
NewOrder vs. LondonRecords
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The Best of and the Rest of count as well.
This subject has come up before but I think New Order are comfortable enough where they are. At this point in their career, I just don't see them being motivated to shop around for a better deal.
London Records took that *something* away from New Order, you can't quite put your finger on it, but it's missing...sure "Regret" through "Here to Stay" are fine, but nothing compaired to "Temptation" "Perfect Kiss" and "True Faith". Once New Order get on an indie label again (highly unlikely, I'm sure they're used to actually getting paid for their sales for once), they will have freedom again...I still have faith it will happen though 
Originally posted by Andy T The Best of and the Rest of count as well.
of course!!! I forgot about them. then 9 releases?
They wouldn't have signed a 10-record agreement with London at a time they knew they were about to split, would they? Furthermore, there are no rumours of them leaving London Records. I don't believe they will, though it would be sooooooo good to have them on an indie label again.
- REPUBLIC (1993)
- THE BEST OF (1994)
- THE REST OF (1995)
- GET READY (2001)
- INTERNATIONAL (2002)
- RETRO (2002)
I make this 6 official releases, where do you get the 9 from? Or are you counting Joy Division re-releases? I think International and Retro are designed to end the deal with London.
I have an old copy of CITY LIFE magazine from 1993 (local Manchester culture magazine) and in this particular issue there was an interview with the band jut as they were signing for London. In this article it says they signed a 6 album deal.
Originally posted by Matt Hicks I make this 6 official releases, where do you get the 9 from?
if you count retro as 4 cds (6, 7, 8 and 9). on some contracts the double cds count as 2 releases because the profit for the company is also multiplied per 2. so do the 3cd and 4cd sets and so on. so MAYBE this is the deal here too. but I just don´t know. if not then would be only 6 releases... it´s quite a number as well!
Originally posted by Matt Hicks 1) REPUBLIC (1993)2) THE BEST OF (1994)3) THE REST OF (1995)4) GET READY (2001)5) INTERNATIONAL (2002)6) RETRO (2002)I make this 6 official releases, where do you get the 9 from? Or are you counting Joy Division re-releases? I think International and Retro are designed to end the deal with London.I have an old copy of CITY LIFE magazine from 1993 (local Manchester culture magazine) and in this particular issue there was an interview with the band jut as they were signing for London. In this article it says they signed a 6 album deal.
Now that's a point . Hope they'll leave London and go indie.
They are on London until it ends in my mind. I doubt if the record company makes the difference where NO is concerned. I think the difference is time - they get older, life happens to them, they get tired with the old, music tastes change, influences change, they basically lose Gillian... I would be utterly shocked if they ever left London and went back to no money havin', poor equipment usin', low budget, uncomfortable independants at this time in their careers. Can you think of another band like NO that went from independant to corporate, back to independant at the tail end of the show?
so when they end the contract? I´m not saying they should go back to an indie (though I´d love it) but changing for a better company would be nice....
Originally posted by Wolfmann Can you think of another band like NO that went from independant to corporate, back to independant at the tail end of the show?
Echo and the Bunymen ? The Fall ?
Maybe Tony Wilson will give 'em a call and sign them to Factory Too, and they can all lose all their money again.
Can't remember exactly WHERE I saw the interview, but at the time of the release of 'Get Ready' Hooky was quoted as saying something along the lines of, 'We would like to get our commitments to London records out of the way and maybe start our own label, both for our own releases and those of some of the bands we produce. That would be good.'
It certainly would be good, but it may just be a pipe dream...
Originally posted by Chris Nash Can't remember exactly WHERE I saw the interview, but at the time of the release of 'Get Ready' Hooky was quoted as saying something along the lines of, 'We would like to get our commitments to London records out of the way and maybe start our own label, both for our own releases and those of some of the bands we produce. That would be good.'It certainly would be good, but it may just be a pipe dream...
It IS possible after all. their own label... how great is that?
Surely unofficially Factory was "their" label. Wilson certainly bled them "Dry" for the Hac, didn't he? Is it really true that every punter through the doors cost NO £10.00?
Well, although Factory was, in essence, 'their label' Wilson sort of started it - New Order didn't have overall control - if they started a new one with ONLY them as directors, that would be really cool...
As for the Hacienda rumours, I think it was the upkeep and liscensing that cost so much - the door money must have only just covered all that, especially when you think they were closed down for so long and still had the bills.
