New Order release an album of Joy Division materials

Should New Order release an album of Joy Division covers? Also, should they take some of the many songs written by Ian and complete them? Imagine how cool the album could be? Yes, it could be bad and shameful, but somehow I doubt it. Everytime I hear them play a JD song - even the 98 Peels, the spirit is the same and it does them credit. I may just be hoping for no reason, but I would think that they would eventually get around to doing it. I would love to see some of Ian's unreleased lyrics finished. Look at Ceremony and In A Lonely Place - 2 of my favorite NO songs, but really are JD songs. Look at their live versions of Isolation and Atmosphere... such potential!

I'd rather they concentrate on new stuff.

In my opinion, the concerts from 1998 on featured too many Joy Division songs. I would rather have heard more PC&L, Low-Life and Technique tracks and have them dust off only 2 or 3 JD songs per set.

I know the days of setlists varying greatly from gig to gig are gone, but I'd like to see them mix it up a LITTLE bit on the next tour.

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I think that things are fine just like they are...but if they did, I don't imagine I would complain much.

Those songs deserve Ian though...

I'm quite sure the result would be OK, but I don't see the point in doing this... except that it would delay any release of new material, and I don't want to wait eight more years. I'm very happy with them singing JD songs during concerts (though, as mentioned above, I'd prefer to have them play more PC&L and LL material).

Seems like I've been here before.........

Personally I'd rather they didn't play any Joy Division songs at all, as they invariably massacre them, with Barney whooping all over them like a demented nervous child. They don't sound right without Ian.

Having said that, Transmission is pretty good, and I'd love to hear Decades just once more. The live set has become so predictable these days, there's a big enough back catalogue to choose from (I know they only chose Digital and SLC because they were in the film), so it wouldn't really hurt them to give it a bit of variety.

No one has addressed the part about new songs from Ian's uncompleted lyrics. What about that?

I'm scared but still listening....

It would have potential, to be sure, and I would hope the guys still know the chords (twenty-odd years of drink and drugs might say otherwise), but I'd be careful around such a prospect. I think it would be nice, but who knows?

As for making songs out of Ian's unfinished lyrics, that could be interesting but potenially disasterous as well. Plus, Debbie might not let them do it :p

Originally posted by Wolfmann No one has addressed the part about new songs from Ian's uncompleted lyrics. What about that?

you mean like TLC has just done with Lisa Left Eye's fragments? I am totally against any artist "finishing" someone else's work....this goes for that shameful Beatles song from a few years back "Free as a Bird?"

A great big NO FUCKING WAY to that idea.....

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 I'm scared but still listening....It would have potential, to be sure, and I would hope the guys still know the chords (twenty-odd years of drink and drugs might say otherwise), but I'd be careful around such a prospect. I think it would be nice, but who knows?As for making songs out of Ian's unfinished lyrics, that could be interesting but potenially disasterous as well. Plus, Debbie might not let them do it :p

I tend to agree about the Debbie issue. If I were her (and not poor) I would say no. Part of me thinks it would be a nice tribute, the other part thinks it is terrible to even think about it. I would think that there are some other songs like Ceremony that the three of them played or fooled around with prior to Ian's death, but have not seen the light of day. Kind of like Turn The Heater On, but good.

Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapazoid > Originally posted by Wolfmann> No one has addressed the part about new songs from Ian's uncompleted lyrics. What about that?

you mean like TLC has just done with Lisa Left Eye's fragments? I am totally against any artist "finishing" someone else's work....this goes for that shameful Beatles song from a few years back "Free as a Bird?"

A great big NO FUCKING WAY to that idea.....

Let's not forget the Doors going back and recording backing tracks over Jim Morrison's last poetry reading (nevermind the fact that he wanted that session heard unaccompanied). That's the one Doors album I'll never buy....

Originally posted by Wolfmann > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> I'm scared but still listening....> > > It would have potential, to be sure, and I would hope the guys still know the chords (twenty-odd years of drink and drugs might say otherwise), but I'd be careful around such a prospect. I think it would be nice, but who knows?> > As for making songs out of Ian's unfinished lyrics, that could be interesting but potenially disasterous as well. Plus, Debbie might not let them do it :p

I tend to agree about the Debbie issue. If I were her (and not poor) I would say no. Part of me thinks it would be a nice tribute, the other part thinks it is terrible to even think about it. I would think that there are some other songs like Ceremony that the three of them played or fooled around with prior to Ian's death, but have not seen the light of day. Kind of like Turn The Heater On, but good.

WHAT?! I love Turn The Heater On. Gotta beat them all....put it on a mix with EGG, Chosen Time, Temptation...fit's perfectly...

for i feel so cold at niiiiiiighhhhhtttt

Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapazoid > Originally posted by Wolfmann> > > > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> > I'm scared but still listening....> > > > > > It would have potential, to be sure, and I would hope the guys still know the chords (twenty-odd years of drink and drugs might say otherwise), but I'd be careful around such a prospect. I think it would be nice, but who knows?> > > > As for making songs out of Ian's unfinished lyrics, that could be interesting but potenially disasterous as well. Plus, Debbie might not let them do it :p>

I tend to agree about the Debbie issue. If I were her (and not poor) I would say no. Part of me thinks it would be a nice tribute, the other part thinks it is terrible to even think about it. I would think that there are some other songs like Ceremony that the three of them played or fooled around with prior to Ian's death, but have not seen the light of day. Kind of like Turn The Heater On, but good.

WHAT?! I love Turn The Heater On. Gotta beat them all....put it on a mix with EGG, Chosen Time, Temptation...fit's perfectly...

for i feel so cold at niiiiiiighhhhhtttt

Maybe on Rest Of 2 they would

this all sounds like a VERY bad idea.... maybe a couple of remakes for fun, but rerecord more than that? why?????

Paul McCartney may play some old Beatles songs live for fun (and profit i guess), but would you want him to rerecord a whole new CD of Beatles songs, with Ringo too?

you can't relive the past

to be honest, i like hearing them play JD songs live because, after all, they are 3/4 of the band.... but a new album? hmmm. i don't think that would be the best idea. sounds interesting at first, but leave well enough alone. live is fine, but keep it out of the studio (although maybe a b-side occasionally would be OK).

I don't like New Order doing JD songs..they sound too "nineties", no matter what decade or date they do them..i would'nt mind so much if they used the same GEAR, which they recorded and played them originally, but they dont!!!!

Originally posted by Wolfmann I would think that there are some other songs like Ceremony that the three of them played or fooled around with prior to Ian's death, but have not seen the light of day. Kind of like Turn The Heater On, but good.

I hope you do realise that Turn The Heater On was a cover of a Keith Hudson reggae track, which was one of Ian's personal favourite tracks, and wasn't written by Ian !!!!!

Is there some mileage in them re-mixing or re-recording the backing tracks used on Closer and Unknown Pleasures, but retaining the original vocals ? Personally I hope not.

Their stance now on JD stuff is "we wrote it, we'll play it". I used to prefer it in the mid and late 80s, when if you got a JD track it was a special treat. Nowadays it's every other track, and it does my nut. I could tolerate it if it were just the encore that had three JD songs or something, but playing (often badly, with the exception of Transmission) the same songs night in night out does grate after a while. Sad to reflect that New Order have now played Atmosphere and LWTUA more times live than Joy Division did.....

They are New Order not Joy Division!

Its all well and good paying homage to their past by playing certain songs live but I think thats as far as it goes.

I hate it how they play 5-ish JD songs, but nothing from Technique... it makes no sense...

Originally posted by Major Tarantino I hate it how they play 5-ish JD songs, but nothing from Technique... it makes no sense...

It is a tragedy i completly agree!!

I would love them to keep LWTUA and digital, but replace the rest with Love less, all the way and round&round.

They always murder atmosphere live anyway.

"Waaalk in siiilence (screech!), don't walk awa-a-a-ay in silence (wooo! whistle!)"

etc...

Your confusion (HAAYYPPP!!!) My ill-oo-ooo-sion

Barney's vocals have changed so much from the early days that even early NO songs like Procession or Leave Me Alone would sound crap with the way he sings live these days, never mind JD songs. If they can't treat the great songs from the past with some respect then they should just avoid them altogether and play RTS and Slow Jam and their ilk.

That's a good point, and may even answer our questions as to why they refuse to play certain old songs.

Far as I'm concerned, NO and JD are the same band. I know others may disagree (including the band themselves) but JD were moving in that direction anyway on Closer, and it's not hard to imagine Ian singing something like Blue Monday or True Faith. Or at least not for me.

thats just rubbish, its impossible to picture Ian in the late eighties or nineties..

but about New Order doing Joy Division songs..yes they aren't as good. But i also think that Joy Division could do a better "Sister Ray", than New Order's on that BBC album -- what an awful version..."sister ray said i love you.." i mean, what????