New Order top 20 rare releases

1. UK 1983 Fac 73/7 Blue Monday 7" promo, fact or fiction ?? copies

2. NZ 1983 12": (EMI/GAP GOOD 10)Blue Monday unreleased red vinyl only 1 or 2 copies

3. UK 1992 CS(Factory FACT 300)Republic [pre-mix listening cassette] About 5 of these were made as official Factory pre-mix listening cassettes with 'FACT 300' on them. They contained mostly instrumental versions of the songs that ended up on the proper release of 'Republic' on London.

4.UK 1982 7"(Factory/Mute FAC 63b/Mute 22b) Hurt/ Oberkorn [by Depeche Mode]Testpress mispress, only 8 made.

5. AR 1989 LP (DG 234) Argentinan testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover was apparently made in 10 copies

6.UK 1994 True faith 12"WLP (London Records 90 Ltd NUXXDJ6) The first 15 pressings containing two True Faith remixes. True Faith-94 (eschreamer mix) True Faith-94 (eschreamer dub)

7.JP 1984 7" Blue Monday (Factory/Nippon Columbia TD-1098) [promo]4:09 Blue Monday 4:09 Confusion 25 copies

8. UK 1987 LP: BBC Transcription Services CN5049/S)Live at the Glastonbury Festival 1987. UK 1993 CD: BBC Transcription Services TCD0624)Live at the Reading Festival 1993.

The Transcription discs are very high quality live recordings that BBC only sells to other radio stations. A very limited number is made. 20 possibly up to 50

9.PL 1988 7" Blue Monday (Tonpress DS-25-A) [promo] 5:05 Blue Monday Unique purple-ish sleeve. The promo was made in 60 copies.

10.JP 1993 CD: Joy Division New Order Collection (Polydor K.K. DCI-3098) [promo] 100 copies

11. JP 1985 LP: 1981-1985(Factory/Columbia TD-3072) [promo] Used to promote the tour in Japan. Only 200 exist.

12.GE 1983 LP:POWER, CORRUPTION AND LIES (Factory/Rough Trade RTD11A)[marble vinyl] [testpressing, 250 made]c/w Rough Trade promo sheet

13.US 1983 12":Confusion (Streetwise SWRL 2213) played at the Garage on July 7, 1983.Has red testpress stamp or handwritten on a white lable. A New Music Seminar Special Edition. 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix. Approximately 400 were made.

14. UK 1989 7":Run 2 (Factory FAC 273-7) [promo] 3:35 Run 2 3:43 MTO Only 500 pressed as Radio/DJ promo

15.UK 1987 LP:Substance 2x (Factory FACT 200S) [gatefold sleeve] numbered limited edition of 1000

16.JP 1993 CD:Republic (Polydor K.K. POCD-1110)Limited edition, includes lyrics and extra tracks, 1500 copies

=17.UK 1987 CS:Substance (Factory FACT 200C) [white linen box with inserts ltd.ed. 2000]

=17. CA 1986 7": Bizarre Love Triangle PolyGram [FAC 26) [gatefold sleeve] ltd.ed. 2000

=17. FR 2001 CD:Get Ready WEA/London 8573 89621-2) limited edition of 2000 in combination with comic type booklet [in French] entitled "old kids return" and T-shirt

20.UK 1982 7": (Factory FAC 51b) [flexi] Limited edition of 4400 given away at the Hacienda Christmas Eve 1982.

the next 30 21.UK 1989 12":Run 2 UK 1989 (Factory FAC 273) [ltd. ed. 20000]

If you know of any other rarities and know the quantity released, post them and I`ll amend the listings.

For this list Ive used vinyl, cassette and CD release quantities. Info on release quantities has been sourced from our Nool discography, Factory discography, WIM, the New Order discography and the New Order web ring. If any of the information is incorrect please let me know. Ive not listed CDrs or acetates, but if you know the quantities Ill amend the list.

and while we are on the subject how many of these were there; NZ + Italian fac53, NZ Red vinyl blue monday 12", Confusion 7" fac 93DJ, In Order 12" orange vinyl, Regret 12" French promo, Best of Boxset

The rarest one I know about is FACT300, the Republic pre-mix cassette. Contains mostly instrumental mixes of the tracks that went on to form the album.

"About 5" were made.

I think I would actually kill someone to get my hands on one.

How about this "Area One Live in LA"-Promo CD-R ???

Originally posted by Old Blue The rarest one I know about is FACT300, the Republic pre-mix cassette. Contains mostly instrumental mixes of the tracks that went on to form the album."About 5" were made. I think I would actually kill someone to get my hands on one.

Thanks Old Blue, makes No.1....Ta

I only have 3 of those in the TOP 20 so Nice little thread which i will come to when i am in a BETTER frame of mind.:D

Who´s got an original or copy of this Republic tape ? Could you send me a copy of it ? I could pay for your mail expenses.

Originally posted by Murv 6.JP 1993 CD: Joy Division New Order Collection (Polydor K.K. DCI-3098) [promo] 100 copies7.UK 2002 12"Confusion ( WACKT 002 C/D)[Promo 150 Copies W/ Reaction Sheet][Sept promo]9. JP 1985 LP: 1981-1985(Factory/Columbia TD-3072) [promo] Used to promote the tour in Japan. Only 200 exist10.US 1983 12":Confusion (Streetwise SWRL 2213) played at the Garage on July 7, 1983. Approximately 400 were made.

6: Where have you heard that 100 copies exists?

7: I actually got that promo from HMV.co.uk...

9: Where have you heard that 200 copies exists?

10: Is this the same as the New Music Seminar 12" that has the Rough Mix on both sides?

I'm missing the top 5.

/T.

How do you define rare?

By numbers? (objecive approach)

In that case, I would add:

• The BBC Transcription discs, especially #623 (Reading Festival on CD). The Transcription discs are very high quality live recordings that BBC oly sells to other radio stations. A very, very limited number is made. I've heard around 20, but would guess up to 50.

• Acetates. Especially the non-released DreamsNeverEnd/Truth and OnlyTheLonely (aka. Ectasy) actetates.

• Metallic testpress of TPK (7LYN15645-1) with an alternate remix. One copy exists.

• The red vinyl version of BM from NZ. Can't remember exactly the numbers but I believe only one or two copies exists. Anyone?

• Argentinian testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover.

• The 3:20 version of Brutal. Less than 5 CDRs made by London. They were recalled.

• Some of the later CDR promos. For example, Various 7" Versions, Get Ready "Not Final", TF2k1 "Morel's Mixes", 60mph David Kahne Recall 2 (2-4 copies).

• Palatine promo, 75 copies.

• Lots of other promos. E.g. CA CD promo of Technique, TECH-1.

• Not to mention the non-music items, such as the 12" Ruler, TF paperweight, Little Lewie, and the TBTHOG (soccer) football (30 were made).

Now, if rarity is not defined by the numbers, but by a mix of numbers and scarceness of tracks and format, other items would be added (IMHO):

• Translucent vinyl of Movement.
• Vida Pobre (Low-Life LP from Argentina)
• Substance DAT
• BM misspressed 12" b/w LWTUA
• Tutti Frutti
• CD versions of From Brussels With Love and A Quick Neat Job.

There are, of course, a lot more items to search for...

/T.

Originally posted by TLV How do you define rare?By numbers? (objecive approach)In that case, I would add:- The BBC Transcription discs, especially #623 (Reading Festival on CD). The Transcription discs are very high quality live recordings that BBC oly sells to other radio stations. A very, very limited number is made. I've heard around 20, but would guess up to 50.- Acetates. Especially the non-released DreamsNeverEnd/Truth and OnlyTheLonely (aka. Ectasy) actetates.- Metallic testpress of TPK (7LYN15645-1) with an alternate remix. One copy exists.- The red vinyl version of BM from NZ. Can't remember exactly the numbers but I believe only one or two copies exists. Anyone?- Argentinian testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover.- The 3:20 version of Brutal. Less than 5 CDRs made by London. They were recalled.- Some of the later CDR promos. For example, Various 7" Versions, Get Ready "Not Final", TF2k1 "Morel's Mixes", 60mph David Kahne Recall 2 (2-4 copies).- Palatine promo, 75 copies.- Lots of other promos. E.g. CA CD promo of Technique, TECH-1.- Not to mention the non-music items, such as the 12" Ruler, TF paperweight, Little Lewie, and the TBTHOG (soccer) football (30 were made).Now, if rarity is not defined by the numbers, but by a mix of numbers and scarceness of tracks and format, other items would be added (IMHO):- Translucent vinyl of Movement.- Vida Pobre (Low-Life LP from Argentina)- Substance DAT- BM misspressed 12" b/w LWTUA- Tutti Frutti- CD versions of From Brussels With Love and A Quick Neat Job.There are, of course, a lot more items to search for.../T.

For this list Ive used vinyl, cassette and CD release quantities. Ive used the Factory discography, WIM, the New Order discography and the New Order web ring for information on quantities released. If any of the information is incorrect let me know. Ive not listed CDrs or acetates.

The Collection info was from http://www.worldinmotion.net/theothertwo/miscellaneous/collection.htm

this info was taken before the WIM site was updated

Originally posted by Spotnick Is this a way of telling me my discography is not up to date? :D

How do you mean? compiling the list? or using other sites to get info?

Maybe we could keep this list in addition to the discography, make it strictly vinyl, CD and cassette possibly including acetates.

Originally posted by Spotnick I'm starting to think many people here would like to be able to compile their collection from the discography here...A kind of shopping cart, then save it to your profile, accessible from the profile.. this way, if someone is looking for an item, he could see who has it in his collection...This way, we can see what's rare for people online! in the discography you can see that x people own this item, etc..

Sound like a brilliant idea

Hey Murv, check TLV's profile...

I've only got 3 on this list...but as has been said before there are many other rarities not on your list...still its not a bad starting point for anyone looking to jump in.

BTW I got this

=14. CA 1986 7": Bizarre Love Triangle PolyGram [FAC 26) [gatefold sleeve] [ltd.ed. 2000

about 2weeks ago for under $8 USD....unbelievable!!!

Originally posted by Old Blue Hey Murv, check TLV's profile...

Ooo er, the big man himself.......my what a fine New Order discography.:D

there is a unique release - the prize given to a competition in select magazine in the uk where you did your own compilation & they added a unique mix/track to it

Originally posted by Rocket Mick I only have 3 of those in the TOP 20 so Nice little thread which i will come to when i am in a BETTER frame of mind.:D

6 in the top 21

what about fac305c - thats got to be quite limited?

Has the ORIGINAL list been changed or was i still PISSED.I now have at least 6 of these which i will list once i checked the EXACT details.There is no details of the FINE TIME in PINK COVER DJ PROMO which i thought was RARE.But what do i know?:D

Originally posted by TLV How do you define rare?By numbers? (objecive approach)In that case, I would add:- The BBC Transcription discs, especially #623 (Reading Festival on CD). The Transcription discs are very high quality live recordings that BBC oly sells to other radio stations. A very, very limited number is made. I've heard around 20, but would guess up to 50.- Acetates. Especially the non-released DreamsNeverEnd/Truth and OnlyTheLonely (aka. Ectasy) actetates.- Metallic testpress of TPK (7LYN15645-1) with an alternate remix. One copy exists.- The red vinyl version of BM from NZ. Can't remember exactly the numbers but I believe only one or two copies exists. Anyone?- Argentinian testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover.- The 3:20 version of Brutal. Less than 5 CDRs made by London. They were recalled.- Some of the later CDR promos. For example, Various 7" Versions, Get Ready "Not Final", TF2k1 "Morel's Mixes", 60mph David Kahne Recall 2 (2-4 copies).- Palatine promo, 75 copies.- Lots of other promos. E.g. CA CD promo of Technique, TECH-1.- Not to mention the non-music items, such as the 12" Ruler, TF paperweight, Little Lewie, and the TBTHOG (soccer) football (30 were made).Now, if rarity is not defined by the numbers, but by a mix of numbers and scarceness of tracks and format, other items would be added (IMHO):- Translucent vinyl of Movement.- Vida Pobre (Low-Life LP from Argentina)- Substance DAT- BM misspressed 12" b/w LWTUA- Tutti Frutti- CD versions of From Brussels With Love and A Quick Neat Job.There are, of course, a lot more items to search for.../T.

I was just thinking the same and guess what... VIDA POBRE is ONE of my FINEST additions! As is FINE TIME in PINK COVER DJ so has not to upset the Djs with the PILL reference! Of the 21 i have only STREETWISE Confusion,RETRO 5,Run2 7INCH and 12 INCH and FAC26 Canadian BLT.Also got the FLEXI HAC one which is CRAP. I have the WEATHERALL REGRET and nine FAC53s. Hooky's POT NOODLE(Empty)...BEEF/TOM flavour...lovely. But most of all i have the MUSIC...so good it HURTs. I have just forgot to mention number 50 of the DOUBLE SUBSTANCE is MINTY MINT condition but this still only makes it 7 from 21.So not very good there ROCKET!Come on HIBSTER ...have another check cos this has been editted since i last checked.Bet you have MORE than 7!Come on...out with em!:D

RM have you got quantities released for those you`ve mentioned?

12/21 the Collection, 1981-1985, PCL RTD,Flexi,RuN 7+12,french Get Ready promo, Jap Republic promo, Substance Gatefold minty, substance CS box, 2002 confusion and CA BLT

I recently aquired a Jap promo CS of International can`t be too many of those around.:D

alas mick I have no more than before

only the run 2 7 & 12 (though have a couple of the run2 12"s) substance box cassette & the gatefold substance (cant remember my number) blt gatefold (withdrawn wasn't it?) 7" & retro UK 5 disc.

technique on DAT must be quite limited & surely the cdv singles are rarer than retro?

Originally posted by Murv RM have you got quantities released for those youve mentioned? BTW Ive got 13/21, what I really want is the NZ red BM and the Jap 7" BM promo. I recently aquired a Jap promo CS of International can`t be too many of those around.

Think I've got those BM's Murv (although not to sell) - could you describe them? - have you heard of the acetate of BM, I haven't a clue where that came from.

What's the BM with white sleeve with red diagonal slash - the 12" on 10"? (or 7").

Anyone got the 7" with orange and black label 'Dreams Never End'. A picture disk interview thing?

I wish I hadn't put my Low-Life inserts on the wall - never mind.

What's a Low-Life poster worth these days? - is this rare? - what about True Faith poster (the blue background)?

the bm with the red stripe is the tonpress one with thieves on the b side, 7" is it not?

Originally posted by Spotnick Is this a way of telling me my discography is not up to date? :D

He, he. I'm sure NOOL's discography is more up to date than http://www.niagara.edu/neworder, though an update is in progress... Coming to a web-site near you. Summer 2003. Besides, I was under the impression that your objective is somewhat different than the niagara site - whose objective is to support collectors.

/T. "Still waiting for a postage quote"

Originally posted by Hibster the bm with the red stripe is the tonpress one with thieves on the b side, 7" is it not?

No. The one in the list is the Polish 7" promo, cat# DS-25A. A scan of that promo (basically just a purple-ish sleeve) will be in the next update of the Discography @ http://www.niagara.edu/neworder ...

/T.

Originally posted by Murv Ooo er, the big man himself.......my what a fine New Order Discography.:D

I'm not really that big, though I reach 6 feet... While I may have a substantial collection, it is not in the same division as Mr. WiM and some other collectors around the world - they know who they are. I'm just an infoholic putting information together.

Regarding the rarity-list, basing it on known quantities is a little bit misleading.

For example, the Confusion 2k2 promo may be very rare but coming in at #8 is a little bit optimistic. There are other promos that are more limited, but since the exact quantity is not known, any numbers have been left out from the discography entries.

Also, does anyone really consider the Retro boxes to qualify for the list over the top-20 rare items? Especially given the release of the bonus-CD as a promo.

There are much rarer items out there, many of them never released such as a acoustic version of 60mph with David Potts on piano/keyboard (sorry all Monaco-haters), apparently only a CDR in max 6 copies. There is also a David Tenaglia remix of World that was never released, but put on a in-house tape. There is a reason of course why some items are never released...

Interesting topic though.

/T.

Now TLV your talking mega rare....this list is just the basic rare:D . I thought I'd just collate what is known ..besides your input has already changed things somewhat. Maybe we can adapt this list to make a more precise Top 20. Any suggestions?

What about how BRILLIANTLY MINTY MINT is YOUR MINTY MINT collection because i was such an OBSESSIVE collector that i neverbought SUBSTANCE ORIGINAL because the covers where MARKED.So if it is absolute to the NTH degree quality then i probably have the BEST COLLECTION IN THE WORLD EVER But serously who is MORE MAD THAN MAD ROCKET MICK THE POLICE ARE COMING FOR YOU DESPITE YOUR COLLECTION MICK?:D

Surely the original UK Fac 73/7 Blue Monday 7" promo would nestle into that Top 20, no?

Don't see anywhere near as many of them as you do say a Run2 7" . . .

:\pimp3:

Hate to break it to you like this Depthy, but the UK 7" of Blue Monday *whispers* doesn't exist!!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick What about how BRILLIANTLY MINTY MINT is YOUR MINTY MINT collection because i was such an OBSESSIVE collector that i neverbought SUBSTANCE ORIGINAL because the covers where MARKED.So if it is absolute to the NTH degree quality then i probably have the BEST COLLECTION IN THE WORLD EVERBut serously who is MORE MAD THAN MAD ROCKET MICK THE POLICE ARE COMING FOR YOU DESPITE YOUR COLLECTION MICK?:D

Im nearly there, maybe I need a break from this obsession of collecting, compiling a Top 20..I ask you...shouldve been a top 50 :D

Originally posted by Murv Now TLV your talking mega rare....this list is just the basic rare:D . I thought I'd just collate what is known ..besides your input has already changed things somewhat. Maybe we can adapt this list to make a more precise Top 20. Any suggestions?

Rarity is a very subjective concept. For me, I can find the flicker book more easily than a CD version of From Brussels With Love (which I finally found...)

BTW: I just checked my database, and the Argentinan testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover was apparently made in 10 copies.

/TLV

Originally posted by Old Blue Hate to break it to you like this Depthy, but the UK 7" of Blue Monday *whispers* doesn't exist!!

Did I miss something?

When was this suddenly decided? The promo 7" has been referred to on discography sites and by hardcore collectors for years.

:\pimp3:

Yeah, I know BUT

• When it was in the charts, Radio 1 always played the 12", if there was a 7" I'm certain they would have used it.
• None of the big 4 internet sites are able to provide timings for this supposed edit, or more importantly a PICTURE.
• I've been asking at every collectors fair I've attended for the last 15 odd years, and all I ever get is blank looks.
• In Vol 2 of the Cuttings book, there is a piece by an Alan Jones dated Apr 2 1983 discussing why Blue Monday appeared in the singles chart, which is based on 7" sales. And I quote..."a quick call to Factory confirmed that no such disc exists".

So all the evidence seems to suggest...

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Murv> Now TLV your talking mega rare....this list is just the basic rare:D . I thought I'd just collate what is known ..besides your input has already changed things somewhat. Maybe we can adapt this list to make a more precise Top 20. Any suggestions?

Rarity is a very subjective concept. For me, I can find the flicker book more easily than a CD version of From Brussels With Love (which I finally found...)

BTW: I just checked my database, and the Argentinan testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover was apparently made in 10 copies.

/TLV

The Argentine testpress of Technique with the withdrawn cover is it classed as a promo? or mispress? and whats the difference between the testpress and the released version?

Originally posted by Old Blue Yeah, I know BUT

• When it was in the charts, Radio 1 always played the 12", if there was a 7" I'm certain they would have used it.
• None of the big 4 internet sites are able to provide timings for this supposed edit, or more importantly a PICTURE.
• I've been asking at every collectors fair I've attended for the last 15 odd years, and all I ever get is blank looks.
• In Vol 2 of the Cuttings book, there is a piece by an Alan Jones dated Apr 2 1983 discussing why Blue Monday appeared in the singles chart, which is based on 7" sales. And I quote..."a quick call to Factory confirmed that no such disc exists".

So all the evidence seems to suggest...

also, i remember reading a letter in a muso publication from a sad individual who collected every chart release and stored them on jukeboxes, and guess what was the only disc he didn't have....BM as it was only on 12"

Originally posted by Old Blue So all the evidence seems to suggest...

Hot diggity dog Old Blue: bullets, bold type and all! What a solid defence you're mounting. Still, most of that's a little.. anecdotal.

I'm not referring to an official 7" release, just a limited release promo. As you mentioned, it always cops an inclusion in the major discogs, with reason. Perhaps Mr Ivarsson can shed some light here. I myself have seen it for sale on GEMM in the past for upwards of USD$150, although I was never able to 100% corroborate its existence with the seller. I also recall Jonathon Scott referring to it (on these very pages I think) and he is particularly cluey on the older gear. Mr WiM is also of the belief that it exists.

I remain sceptical of its existence but aren't yet convinced either way.

:\pimp3:

Promo or regular release, makes no difference. We're talking about a UK 7" of BM. Don't get me wrong, dC. I'm not poo-pooing it's existence entirely. The point I was trying to make is that everyone thinks it exists, but I have yet to find anyone that can confirm it exists.

Like yourself, I remain sceptical. I'd love to be proved wrong one day.

Is the way of life 12" rare? I've got that...

and that true faith 94 DJ promo thingy...

Originally posted by Major Tarantino Is the way of life 12" rare? I've got that... and that true faith 94 DJ promo thingy...

Yes and No you miserable sod.What happened to your manners the OTHER night.:p Welcome back T-BAG!:D

but not necessarily in that order...

Originally posted by Hibster but not necessarily in that order...

I agree, but then again neither are rare...but will figure in the top 500 at a later date along with all those 3 track promos of european international.:D

phew.....its good to know that I have 3 of those TOP 21 items....no.16, no.17 & no. 21 - all 'bottom-of-the-ladder' stuffs, though.....

world in motion remixes promo cd

Originally posted by Murv The Argentine testpress of Technique with the withdrawn cover is it classed as a promo? or mispress? and whats the difference between the testpress and the released version?

I would probably class the testpress as a testpress and not a promo. Not all testpresses were used as promos - something that is quite common today, probably because the need of checking the quality is not that big.

I'm not sure what the diff really is. I have the regular one right next to me. The testpress is on another continent, so I can't check. However, I will be visiting the second half of my collection in June so I'll check if I can remember... I will probably also do some scans of items not scanned yet.

/TLV

Originally posted by depthcharge > Originally posted by Old Blue So all the evidence seems to suggest...

Hot diggity dog Old Blue: bullets, bold type and all! What a solid defence you're mounting. Still, most of that's a little.. anecdotal.

I'm not referring to an official 7" release, just a limited release promo. As you mentioned, it always cops an inclusion in the major discogs, with reason. Perhaps Mr Ivarsson can shed some light here. I myself have seen it for sale on GEMM in the past for upwards of USD$150, although I was never able to 100% corroborate its existence with the seller. I also recall Jonathon Scott referring to it (on these very pages I think) and he is particularly cluey on the older gear. Mr WiM is also of the belief that it exists.

I remain sceptical of its existence but aren't yet convinced either way.

:\pimp3:

He, he. A hotly debated topic. Ask the Q on the Factory list and you'll get some quite passionate answers. No one seems to own it, but that doesn't prove that it doesn't exists. No one seems to be able to prove that it doesn't exist either.

Personally, I think it does exists but was never used as a promo - similar to the JP 7" promo that never made it since the apparently NO didn't like the edit. Now, the JP 7" promo does exists for sure.

The reason it is in the Discography @ http://www.niagara.edu/neworder is because it was listed in a quite extensive discography kept by fernando (the man, the myth, the legend...) His criteria for including any item was that someone had it. Who he knew who had it (say it loud 10 times...), I don't know. He does credit Eddie Graham (US), Mark Buckwalter (US), and Peter Hook (UK). It's possible that one of them has a copy.

Until someone else has proven it wrong, it will be listed.

/T.

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Murv> The Argentine testpress of Technique with the withdrawn cover is it classed as a promo? or mispress? and whats the difference between the testpress and the released version?

I would probably class the testpress as a testpress and not a promo. Not all testpresses were used as promos - something that is quite common today, probably because the need of checking the quality is not that big.

I'm not sure what the diff really is. I have the regular one right next to me. The testpress is on another continent, so I can't check. However, I will be visiting the second half of my collection in June so I'll check if I can remember... I will probably also do some scans of items not scanned yet.

/TLV

Almanso, Argentinian NOOLer, tells me the 1st issue doesn`t have the words "New Order-Technique" on the cover. Does the vinyl have a white lable?

Originally posted by Murv Almanso, Argentinian NOOLer, tells me the 1st issue doesn`t have the words "New Order-Technique" on the cover. Does the vinyl have a white lable?

I have to get back to you on that one. In July...

Unless someone here has the answer.

/T.

Originally posted by Spotnick I think the COLLECTED promo box set from London is pretty rare too... which contains Temptation 98, which is now available through Retro though...Question is, Sebastien told me there were difference between both mixes, so anyone noticed that?

Unless the difference lies in the levels of the mix (e.g., louder hi-hat, bass to the left, etc.), there is no diff between Collected and Retro.

And the True Faith 2001 Remixes is not an easy thing to buy either...

The 2x12" was (is?) quite common on eBay. I have a spare copy (I believe), if anyone's interested.

BTW: Is there any difference between the Philip Steir Club Mix and the Philip Steir Re-Order Mix of TF2k1? I don't have a TT here, so I can't check.

Back to my Roland - not Casio...

/T.

Originally posted by TLV

He, he. A hotly debated topic. Ask the Q on the Factory list and you'll get some quite passionate answers. No one seems to own it, but that doesn't prove that it doesn't exists. No one seems to be able to prove that it doesn't exist either.

/T.

how can you prove something doesn't exist though? you can prove it exists by seeing it, but if nobody has seen it does that mean it doesnt exist?

Originally posted by Hibster > Originally posted by TLV> > He, he. A hotly debated topic. Ask the Q on the Factory list and you'll get some quite passionate answers. No one seems to own it, but that doesn't prove that it doesn't exists. No one seems to be able to prove that it doesn't exist either.

how can you prove something doesn't exist though? you can prove it exists by seeing it, but if nobody has seen it does that mean it doesnt exist?

Erhm, yes?! :) Well, what I meant was that it hasn't been included in the discographies because people simply guessed that it existed. Until this day, I haven't hear or met anyone who can prove/convince me that the promo doesn't exist. So right now I have more reliable indicators that the promo exists than I have indicators pointing towards a non-existence.

So far, the strongest indicator for non-existence is the cut in the History Of Cuttings book, though the quote seem to refer to an official 7". That doesn't mean that there might not be a revoked promo somewhere.

/T.

What of this Fernando chap, TLV?

He was such a font of back catalog info in days gone. Haven't seen him post on Ceremony for a while, wonder if he still has an active interest.

Interesting guy.

:\pimp3:

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im really sorry about that one

Originally posted by depthcharge What of this Fernando chap, TLV?He was such a font of back catalog info in days gone. Haven't seen him post on Ceremony for a while, wonder if he still has an active interest. Interesting guy.:\pimp3:

Last time I heard from him was during the Area:One tour. Like many fans and collectors, the passion fades after a while, and one realizes that there's more to life than New Order, testpresses, and the Internet...

/T.

Originally posted by almanso i must say that the argentinian Substance 1987 (white) is pretty rare too. just because no "1987" was written. just "Substance". it has translated titles on the vinyl label. it can be found easier, though. more copies were released of that one.as for Vida Pobre, yesterday i was comparing it to the USA edition and it just kicks its ass. excellent sound quality. this was not released by "DG Discos" (poorer sound quality) but by "Buelax". all photographs are "sepia" instead of black and white.

Yes the BUELAX one is pride of my collection!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by almanso i must say that the argentinian Substance 1987 (white) is pretty rare too. just because no "1987" was written. just "Substance". it has translated titles on the vinyl label. it can be found easier, though. more copies were released of that one.as for Vida Pobre, yesterday i was comparing it to the USA edition and it just kicks its ass. excellent sound quality. this was not released by "DG Discos" (poorer sound quality) but by "Buelax". all photographs are "sepia" instead of black and white.

Yes the BUELAX one is pride of my collection!

Even more precious than your minty mint Gatefold Ltd Substance?

Originally posted by Murv > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> > > > Originally posted by almanso> i must say that the argentinian Substance 1987 (white) is pretty rare too. just because no "1987" was written. just "Substance". it has translated titles on the vinyl label. it can be found easier, though. more copies were released of that one.as for Vida Pobre, yesterday i was comparing it to the USA edition and it just kicks its ass. excellent sound quality. this was not released by "DG Discos" (poorer sound quality) but by "Buelax". all photographs are "sepia" instead of black and white.

Yes the BUELAX one is pride of my collection!

Even more precious than your minty mint Gatefold Ltd Substance?
No!

Originally posted by almanso i must say that the argentinian Substance 1987 (white) is pretty rare too. just because no "1987" was written. just "Substance". it has translated titles on the vinyl label. it can be found easier, though. more copies were released of that one.

Hey Almanso, is the white Argentinian Substance on four LP's? I thought I read somewhere that it had all the B-sides on vinyl too.

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Err, ignore that. The black sleeve has the b-sides. That's where the four LP's comes from.

Does anyone know the going rate$$ for Technique DAT 275D? And are they difficult to come by?

Yes they are damn hard to find but the cost is really ONLY what you are willing to pay.Have you a DAT player MURV.Novelty wise it would be fun to own but i want the ORIGINAL LITTLE LOUIE statue.

Originally posted by Rocket Mick Yes they are damn hard to find but the cost is really ONLY what you are willing to pay.Have you a DAT player MURV.Novelty wise it would be fun to own but i want the ORIGINAL LITTLE LOUIE statue.

Now your talking The Original Little Louie..got a huge pile of these So would you bother with the DAT, a bit like the CDV, novelty only? Doesn`t the DAT have extra tracks?

there are no extra tracks on the DAT well, they aren't listed anyway, haven't got a player so never been able to check!

Originally posted by Hibster there are no extra tracks on the DATwell, they aren't listed anyway, haven't got a player so never been able to check!

How much did you pay for your copy Hibie?

Found this track listing DAT: UK 1989 (Factory FACT 275D) 4:42 Fine Time 3:22 All the Way 2:58 Love Less 4:29 Round & Round 4:44 Guilty Partner 4:26 Run 4:20 Mr. Disco 5:14 Vanishing Point 5:13 Dream Attack Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle True Faith State of the Nation Don't Do It

Originally posted by Murv > Originally posted by Hibster there are no extra tracks on the DATwell, they aren't listed anyway, haven't got a player so never been able to check!

How much did you pay for your copy Hibie?

Found this track listing DAT: UK 1989 (Factory FACT 275D) 4:42 Fine Time 3:22 All the Way 2:58 Love Less 4:29 Round & Round 4:44 Guilty Partner 4:26 Run 4:20 Mr. Disco 5:14 Vanishing Point 5:13 Dream Attack Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle True Faith State of the Nation Don't Do It

bought it when it came out, was between £11 & £15 going to check it when i get home & see if those tracks are listed on there - update tomorrow

DAT quality is beautiful. If anyone has a player it would be worthwhile taking the bull by the horns and pouring a decent cup of tea whilst enjoying the Technical experience.

DAT (for those who aren't keen) is ordinarily used as a master, used to generate copies for mass consumption (a bit like copying the recipe for vegetable pasties, then replicating throughout The Bakers Oven chain of bakers). So, if you have the DAT, you may be listening to a brighter, more clearer Technique than is available on any other format, including cassette tape.

Digital Audio Tape = yes please.

Originally posted by Huntsman DAT quality is beautiful. If anyone has a player it would be worthwhile taking the bull by the horns and pouring a decent cup of tea whilst enjoying the Technical experience.DAT (for those who aren't keen) is ordinarily used as a master, used to generate copies for mass consumption (a bit like copying the recipe for vegetable pasties, then replicating throughout The Bakers Oven chain of bakers). So, if you have the DAT, you may be listening to a brighter, more clearer Technique than is available on any other format, including cassette tape.Digital Audio Tape = yes please.

Thanks for the insight Huntsie...DATs cool

Originally posted by Murv Does anyone know the going rate$$ for Technique DAT 275D? And are they difficult to come by?

There seem to be many more Technique DATs than Substance DATs (released as a double-DAT). I would estimate the price to be $40 +/- 15, depending on the climate...

Murv, I have a Technique DAT for trade if you're interested.

Found this track listingDAT: UK 1989 (Factory FACT 275D) 4:42 Fine Time 3:22 All the Way 2:58 Love Less 4:29 Round & Round 4:44 Guilty Partner 4:26 Run 4:20 Mr. Disco 5:14 Vanishing Point 5:13 Dream Attack Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle True Faith State of the Nation Don't Do It

Don't know exactly where you found this listing, but if you looked at http://www.niagara.edu/neworder you'd've seen that those extra tracks are only on the cassette from Indonesia, not the DAT.

DAT is a nice format. I have a player and have recorded most of my vinyl-only New Order to DAT. These days, CDR is perhaps a little bit more convenient, though noone knows for sure what format will store the info the longest.

For consumers and bootleg-taping, MiniDisc is getting more and more popular.

/TLV

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Murv> Does anyone know the going rate$$ for Technique DAT 275D? And are they difficult to come by?

There seem to be many more Technique DATs than Substance DATs (released as a double-DAT). I would estimate the price to be $40 +/- 15, depending on the climate...

Murv, I have a Technique DAT for trade if you're interested.

Found this track listingDAT: UK 1989 (Factory FACT 275D) 4:42 Fine Time 3:22 All the Way 2:58 Love Less 4:29 Round & Round 4:44 Guilty Partner 4:26 Run 4:20 Mr. Disco 5:14 Vanishing Point 5:13 Dream Attack Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle True Faith State of the Nation Don't Do It

Don't know exactly where you found this listing, but if you looked at http://www.niagara.edu/neworder you'd've seen that those extra tracks are only on the cassette from Indonesia, not the DAT.

DAT is a nice format. I have a player and have recorded most of my vinyl-only New Order to DAT. These days, CDR is perhaps a little bit more convenient, though noone knows for sure what format will store the info the longest.

For consumers and bootleg-taping, MiniDisc is getting more and more popular.

/TLV Minidisc is a fantastic format but so FEW NOOL's have this i have had to use CD-R to send out the goodies.The EDIT feature on MINIDISC is grest especially for naming the REMIXES and additional INFO.

Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by TLV> > > > Originally posted by Murv> > Does anyone know the going rate$$ for Technique DAT 275D? And are they difficult to come by?>

There seem to be many more Technique DATs than Substance DATs (released as a double-DAT). I would estimate the price to be $40 +/- 15, depending on the climate...

Murv, I have a Technique DAT for trade if you're interested.

Found this track listingDAT: UK 1989 (Factory FACT 275D) 4:42 Fine Time 3:22 All the Way 2:58 Love Less 4:29 Round & Round 4:44 Guilty Partner 4:26 Run 4:20 Mr. Disco 5:14 Vanishing Point 5:13 Dream Attack Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle True Faith State of the Nation Don't Do It

Don't know exactly where you found this listing, but if you looked at http://www.niagara.edu/neworder you'd've seen that those extra tracks are only on the cassette from Indonesia, not the DAT.

DAT is a nice format. I have a player and have recorded most of my vinyl-only New Order to DAT. These days, CDR is perhaps a little bit more convenient, though noone knows for sure what format will store the info the longest.

For consumers and bootleg-taping, MiniDisc is getting more and more popular.

/TLV Minidisc is a fantastic format but so FEW NOOL's have this i have had to use CD-R to send out the goodies.The EDIT feature on MINIDISC is grest especially for naming the REMIXES and additional INFO.

I have :D and its great!!!!

As im sure is TWISTEDTENDERNESS which was released on this format.. which I sadly have not got Mick!! ;)

Was the TT md limited ed. do you know Mick? whats the cat no on yours?

Originally posted by DoN > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> > > > Originally posted by TLV> > > > > > > Originally posted by Murv> > > Does anyone know the going rate$$ for Technique DAT 275D? And are they difficult to come by?> > >

There seem to be many more Technique DATs than Substance DATs (released as a double-DAT). I would estimate the price to be $40 +/- 15, depending on the climate...

Murv, I have a Technique DAT for trade if you're interested.

Found this track listingDAT: UK 1989 (Factory FACT 275D) 4:42 Fine Time 3:22 All the Way 2:58 Love Less 4:29 Round & Round 4:44 Guilty Partner 4:26 Run 4:20 Mr. Disco 5:14 Vanishing Point 5:13 Dream Attack Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle True Faith State of the Nation Don't Do It

Don't know exactly where you found this listing, but if you looked at http://www.niagara.edu/neworder you'd've seen that those extra tracks are only on the cassette from Indonesia, not the DAT.

DAT is a nice format. I have a player and have recorded most of my vinyl-only New Order to DAT. These days, CDR is perhaps a little bit more convenient, though noone knows for sure what format will store the info the longest.

For consumers and bootleg-taping, MiniDisc is getting more and more popular.

/TLV Minidisc is a fantastic format but so FEW NOOL's have this i have had to use CD-R to send out the goodies.The EDIT feature on MINIDISC is grest especially for naming the REMIXES and additional INFO.

I have :D and its great!!!!

As im sure is TWISTEDTENDERNESS which was released on this format.. which I sadly have not got Mick!! ;)

Was the TT md limited ed. do you know Mick? whats the cat no on yours?

NO DON ..this is a MINIDISC not a DAT and the number is U.K 498345 8 F.PM520.A lovely little item i own but would swop it for a LOVELY WOMAN willing to help out at the PLANET ROCKET doing chores.:DWeekend was spent at a local nightclub and although i chatted away all night to a rather wonderful lady i LEFT alone.Has the ROCKET lost his touch.Still there is always this weekend. LIFE ON THE DOLE IS PURE ROCK 'N' ROLL.Just got up again at 14:00 ish but was posting at 6 this morning!Must get a job...woman,money,sense and a LIFE.But hey...i ain't complaining.I could be SHUGZV the SOAP DODGER from CORBY. Thank God we don't have SMELLY FORUMS yet!

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Murv> Does anyone know the going rate$$ for Technique DAT 275D? And are they difficult to come by?

There seem to be many more Technique DATs than Substance DATs (released as a double-DAT). I would estimate the price to be $40 +/- 15, depending on the climate...

Murv, I have a Technique DAT for trade if you're interested.

Found this track listingDAT: UK 1989 (Factory FACT 275D) 4:42 Fine Time 3:22 All the Way 2:58 Love Less 4:29 Round & Round 4:44 Guilty Partner 4:26 Run 4:20 Mr. Disco 5:14 Vanishing Point 5:13 Dream Attack Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle True Faith State of the Nation Don't Do It

Don't know exactly where you found this listing, but if you looked at http://www.niagara.edu/neworder you'd've seen that those extra tracks are only on the cassette from Indonesia, not the DAT.

DAT is a nice format. I have a player and have recorded most of my vinyl-only New Order to DAT. These days, CDR is perhaps a little bit more convenient, though noone knows for sure what format will store the info the longest.

For consumers and bootleg-taping, MiniDisc is getting more and more popular.

/TLV

Spot on with the price T, just boughtthe DAT for $40.:D also got myself an Argentinian Technique testpress copy and Vida Pobre.

How much for VIDA POBRE...i paid £18 in about 1990!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick How much for VIDA POBRE...i paid £18 in about 1990!

......US$25

Originally posted by Murv > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> How much for VIDA POBRE...i paid £18 in about 1990!

......US$25

Just shows how much cheaper you can get certain items for these days!

7.UK 2002 12"Confusion ( WACKT 002 C/D)[Promo 150 Copies W/ Reaction Sheet][Sept promo] 7: I actually got that promo from HMV.co.uk...

Yeah, these have the original vocals on, rather than the re-recorded ones by Barney that featured on the officially released twelve inches and CD single. The running times are the same, and everything else sounds identical, but it's just a different vocal track.

Andy

Originally posted by Andrew Morrison > > 7.UK 2002 12"Confusion ( WACKT 002 C/D)[Promo 150 Copies W/ Reaction Sheet][Sept promo]> 7: I actually got that promo from HMV.co.uk...Yeah, these have the original vocals on, rather than the re-recorded ones by Barney that featured on the officially released twelve inches and CD single. The running times are the same, and everything else sounds identical, but it's just a different vocal track.Andy

Interesting...must make it more collectable then. I took it out of the top 20, due to unknown quantities of previous WLP`s, maybe it should be reinstated as it is quite rare.

MURV...how do you afford all these records.Are you a BANKROBBER? :D

Originally posted by Rocket Mick MURV...how do you afford all these records.Are you a BANKROBBER? :D

Nah.. Ive been pawning the missuss jewellery:D

Originally posted by Murv > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> MURV...how do you afford all these records.Are you a BANKROBBER? :D

Nah.. Ive been pawning the missuss jewellery:D

Cost me 2 DIVORCES doing that though.Turned out nice again!:D

Originally posted by Huntsman DAT quality is beautiful. If anyone has a player it would be worthwhile taking the bull by the horns and pouring a decent cup of tea whilst enjoying the Technical experience.DAT (for those who aren't keen) is ordinarily used as a master, used to generate copies for mass consumption (a bit like copying the recipe for vegetable pasties, then replicating throughout The Bakers Oven chain of bakers). So, if you have the DAT, you may be listening to a brighter, more clearer Technique than is available on any other format, including cassette tape.Digital Audio Tape = yes please.

'Tis all digital data, ones and noughts. In theory the CDs copies ought to sound exactly the same as the DATs. Even the DAT versions would have been copied, so there's no difference.

Andy

Originally posted by Andrew Morrison > Originally posted by Huntsman> DAT quality is beautiful. If anyone has a player it would be worthwhile taking the bull by the horns and pouring a decent cup of tea whilst enjoying the Technical experience.> > DAT (for those who aren't keen) is ordinarily used as a master, used to generate copies for mass consumption (a bit like copying the recipe for vegetable pasties, then replicating throughout The Bakers Oven chain of bakers). So, if you have the DAT, you may be listening to a brighter, more clearer Technique than is available on any other format, including cassette tape.> > Digital Audio Tape = yes please.> >

'Tis all digital data, ones and noughts. In theory the CDs copies ought to sound exactly the same as the DATs. Even the DAT versions would have been copied, so there's no difference.

Andy So still not as good as VINYL then!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by Andrew Morrison> > > > Originally posted by Huntsman> > DAT quality is beautiful. If anyone has a player it would be worthwhile taking the bull by the horns and pouring a decent cup of tea whilst enjoying the Technical experience.> > > > DAT (for those who aren't keen) is ordinarily used as a master, used to generate copies for mass consumption (a bit like copying the recipe for vegetable pasties, then replicating throughout The Bakers Oven chain of bakers). So, if you have the DAT, you may be listening to a brighter, more clearer Technique than is available on any other format, including cassette tape.> > > > Digital Audio Tape = yes please.> > > > >

'Tis all digital data, ones and noughts. In theory the CDs copies ought to sound exactly the same as the DATs. Even the DAT versions would have been copied, so there's no difference.

Andy So still not as good as VINYL then!

Depends on how the vinyl was mastered: I bet these days it's pressed from the digital master tapes, rather than analogue ones, though I'm not totally sure how these things are done.

Andy.

Originally posted by almanso > Originally posted by TLV> > > > Originally posted by Murv> > Almanso, Argentinian NOOLer, tells me the 1st issue doesn`t have the words "New Order-Technique" on the cover. Does the vinyl have a white lable?>

I have to get back to you on that one. In July...

Unless someone here has the answer.

/T. from my knowdledge there´re two argentinian editions of Technique. one just like the original UK sleeve, and other one with "NewOrder-Technique" written on the sleeve. the first edition was the original one and then they released the second one with the band´s name in order to "let the people know who the band was". i have the first one, because i bought it the first day it was out. i didn´t see another copy of that one since then. the second one you can find it anywhere for 10 pesos (3 US dollars). both releases have red labels on the vinyls, though. BUT i just don´t know if test press were made. no info about that. another rarity must be the argentinian Substance II vinyl with black sleeve. they´re difficult to find even in Argentina. i saw one for 50 dollars a couple of years ago. don´t know how many copies were made of that. but they were made by a record label "DG Discos" that broke shortly after. it was released by the same date as Technique, on 1989. i bought one a copy the same day i bought Technique. the record company was dead by 1990. so did most of the vinyl productions in Argentina.

The testpress I have doesn`t have writing on the front of the sleeve apart from DG234 in 2mm high black type in a white box with black surround located in the top R.H corner. The back of the sleeve has New Order Technique and titles in english with the other info in spanish. The vinyl has a white lable and has DG 234 and DG 234-B on the run off notation.

Another Argentinian copy I have, which isnt listed in any New Order discography that Ive seen, is the Technique Promo on London/Polygram Catalogue No. 520 011-1 release date 1992. It has New Order Technique on the front of the sleeve and the titles in spanish and english on the reverse. The vinyl has a black lable with difusion venta prohibida stamped on the lable. Does anyone else have one of these?

Originally posted by Old Blue The rarest one I know about is FACT300, the Republic pre-mix cassette. Contains mostly instrumental mixes of the tracks that went on to form the album.

I have a CD of Republic that looks just the like commercial U.S. release...except that Peter Hook's bass is practically absent from the mix!

Apparently only a few hundred thousand were pressed.

Originally posted by Gnu Odor > Originally posted by Old Blue The rarest one I know about is FACT300, the Republic pre-mix cassette. Contains mostly instrumental mixes of the tracks that went on to form the album.

I have a CD of Republic that looks just the like commercial U.S. release...except that Peter Hook's bass is practically absent from the mix!

Apparently only a few hundred thousand were pressed.

Excrement Odour

Originally posted by Murv > Originally posted by Gnu Odor> > > > Originally posted by Old Blue> The rarest one I know about is FACT300, the Republic pre-mix cassette. Contains mostly instrumental mixes of the tracks that went on to form the album.

I have a CD of Republic that looks just the like commercial U.S. release...except that Peter Hook's bass is practically absent from the mix!

Apparently only a few hundred thousand were pressed.

Excrement Odour Well i have the original with BASS...it is called TECHNIQUE IN THE MIX!:D

Any additions NOOLers?

Originally posted by Murv > Originally posted by almanso > Originally posted by TLV> > > > Originally posted by Murv> > Almanso, Argentinian NOOLer, tells me the 1st issue doesn`t have the words "New Order-Technique" on the cover. Does the vinyl have a white lable?>

I have to get back to you on that one. In July...

Unless someone here has the answer.

/T. from my knowdledge there´re two argentinian editions of Technique. one just like the original UK sleeve, and other one with "NewOrder-Technique" written on the sleeve. the first edition was the original one and then they released the second one with the band´s name in order to "let the people know who the band was". i have the first one, because i bought it the first day it was out. i didn´t see another copy of that one since then. the second one you can find it anywhere for 10 pesos (3 US dollars). both releases have red labels on the vinyls, though. BUT i just don´t know if test press were made. no info about that. another rarity must be the argentinian Substance II vinyl with black sleeve. they´re difficult to find even in Argentina. i saw one for 50 dollars a couple of years ago. don´t know how many copies were made of that. but they were made by a record label "DG Discos" that broke shortly after. it was released by the same date as Technique, on 1989. i bought one a copy the same day i bought Technique. the record company was dead by 1990. so did most of the vinyl productions in Argentina.

The testpress I have doesn`t have writing on the front of the sleeve apart from DG234 in 2mm high black type in a white box with black surround located in the top R.H corner. The back of the sleeve has New Order Technique and titles in english with the other info in spanish. The vinyl has a white lable and has DG 234 and DG 234-B on the run off notation.

Another Argentinian copy I have, which isnt listed in any New Order discography that Ive seen, is the Technique Promo on London/Polygram Catalogue No. 520 011-1 release date 1992. It has New Order Technique on the front of the sleeve and the titles in spanish and english on the reverse. The vinyl has a black lable with difusion venta prohibida stamped on the lable. Does anyone else have one of these?

Ok, it's not July yet, but I don't think anyone will mind... Checking my personal collection and the info posted here and elsewhere, this is what I can deduct regarding the AR Technique:

Vinyl:

• Testpress, white labels with DG 234 A/B written on them. 10 made. The sleeve used is the "clean" sleeve with "DG 234" in upper right corner. Groove notation "DG234A" and "DG234B"
• Regular release, red labels, groove notation as the testpress
• Promotional (London) release 1992 (cat# 520011-1 and LADO 2), black labels, tracks listed in spanish and english. Groove notation? Sleeve?

Sleeve:

• Withdrawn sleeve, like the UK one but with "DG 234" in a black box in upper right corner. Used for testpress and initial copies of the regular release.
• Regular sleeve, as the withdrawn sleeve but with additional text in black print to the upper right: "Neworder" and "Technique" just below. Used for the regular release
• Promo sleeve, as the UK one but with "Neworder Technique" to the upper right. "Neworder" in white and "Technique" in turquoise. "PolyGram" down in the left corner. Used for the 1992 promo (London) issue.

So, if anyone have the promo issue for trade, let me know...

The Discography, http://www.niagara.edu/neworder, will reflect this in the next update.

/TLV

Originally posted by TLV > Originally posted by Murv> > > > Originally posted by almanso> > Originally posted by TLV> > > > Originally posted by Murv> > Almanso, Argentinian NOOLer, tells me the 1st issue doesn`t have the words "New Order-Technique" on the cover. Does the vinyl have a white lable?>

I have to get back to you on that one. In July...

Unless someone here has the answer.

/T. from my knowdledge there´re two argentinian editions of Technique. one just like the original UK sleeve, and other one with "NewOrder-Technique" written on the sleeve. the first edition was the original one and then they released the second one with the band´s name in order to "let the people know who the band was". i have the first one, because i bought it the first day it was out. i didn´t see another copy of that one since then. the second one you can find it anywhere for 10 pesos (3 US dollars). both releases have red labels on the vinyls, though. BUT i just don´t know if test press were made. no info about that. another rarity must be the argentinian Substance II vinyl with black sleeve. they´re difficult to find even in Argentina. i saw one for 50 dollars a couple of years ago. don´t know how many copies were made of that. but they were made by a record label "DG Discos" that broke shortly after. it was released by the same date as Technique, on 1989. i bought one a copy the same day i bought Technique. the record company was dead by 1990. so did most of the vinyl productions in Argentina.

The testpress I have doesn`t have writing on the front of the sleeve apart from DG234 in 2mm high black type in a white box with black surround located in the top R.H corner. The back of the sleeve has New Order Technique and titles in english with the other info in spanish. The vinyl has a white lable and has DG 234 and DG 234-B on the run off notation.

Another Argentinian copy I have, which isnt listed in any New Order discography that Ive seen, is the Technique Promo on London/Polygram Catalogue No. 520 011-1 release date 1992. It has New Order Technique on the front of the sleeve and the titles in spanish and english on the reverse. The vinyl has a black lable with difusion venta prohibida stamped on the lable. Does anyone else have one of these?

Ok, it's not July yet, but I don't think anyone will mind... Checking my personal collection and the info posted here and elsewhere, this is what I can deduct regarding the AR Technique:

Vinyl:

• Testpress, white labels with DG 234 A/B written on them. 10 made. The sleeve used is the "clean" sleeve with "DG 234" in upper right corner. Groove notation "DG234A" and "DG234B"
• Regular release, red labels, groove notation as the testpress
• Promotional (London) release 1992 (cat# 520011-1 and LADO 2), black labels, tracks listed in spanish and english. Groove notation? Sleeve?

Sleeve:

• Withdrawn sleeve, like the UK one but with "DG 234" in a black box in upper right corner. Used for testpress and initial copies of the regular release.
• Regular sleeve, as the withdrawn sleeve but with additional text in black print to the upper right: "Neworder" and "Technique" just below. Used for the regular release
• Promo sleeve, as the UK one but with "Neworder Technique" to the upper right. "Neworder" in white and "Technique" in turquoise. "PolyGram" down in the left corner. Used for the 1992 promo (London) issue.

So, if anyone have the promo issue for trade, let me know...

The Discography, http://www.niagara.edu/neworder, will reflect this in the next update.

/TLV

Good work TLV, I`m looking forward to perusing the updated Discography. I know where you can obtain the London Promo.. bit steep though $67.

Originally posted by Murv 1. UK 1983 Fac 73/7 Blue Monday 7" promo, fact or fiction ?? copies2. NZ 1983 12": (EMI/GAP GOOD 10)Blue Monday unreleased red vinyl only 1 or 2 copies3. UK 1992 CS(Factory FACT 300)Republic [pre-mix listening cassette] About 5 of these were made as official Factory pre-mix listening cassettes with 'FACT 300' on them. They contained mostly instrumental versions of the songs that ended up on the proper release of 'Republic' on London.4.UK 1982 7"(Factory/Mute FAC 63b/Mute 22b) Hurt/ Oberkorn [by Depeche Mode]Testpress mispress, only 8 made.5. AR 1989 LP (DG 234) Argentinan testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover was apparently made in 10 copies6.UK 1994 True faith 12"WLP (London Records 90 Ltd NUXXDJ6) The first 15 pressings containing two True Faith remixes. True Faith-94 (eschreamer mix) True Faith-94 (eschreamer dub)7.JP 1984 7" Blue Monday (Factory/Nippon Columbia TD-1098) [promo]4:09 Blue Monday 4:09 Confusion 25 copies 8. UK 1987 LP: BBC Transcription Services CN5049/S)Live at the Glastonbury Festival 1987. UK 1993 CD: BBC Transcription Services TCD0624)Live at the Reading Festival 1993. The Transcription discs are very high quality live recordings that BBC only sells to other radio stations. A very limited number is made. 20 possibly up to 50 9.PL 1988 7" Blue Monday (Tonpress DS-25-A) [promo] 5:05 Blue Monday Unique purple-ish sleeve. The promo was made in 60 copies.10.JP 1993 CD: Joy Division New Order Collection (Polydor K.K. DCI-3098) [promo] 100 copies11. JP 1985 LP: 1981-1985(Factory/Columbia TD-3072) [promo] Used to promote the tour in Japan. Only 200 exist. 12.GE 1983 LP:POWER, CORRUPTION AND LIES (Factory/Rough Trade RTD11A)[marble vinyl] [testpressing, 250 made]c/w Rough Trade promo sheet 13.US 1983 12":Confusion (Streetwise SWRL 2213) played at the Garage on July 7, 1983.Has red testpress stamp or handwritten on a white lable. A New Music Seminar Special Edition.8:04 Confusion Rough Mix 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix. Approximately 400 were made.14. UK 1989 7":Run 2 (Factory FAC 273-7) [promo] 3:35 Run 2 3:43 MTO Only 500 pressed as Radio/DJ promo15.UK 1987 LP:Substance 2x (Factory FACT 200S) [gatefold sleeve] numbered limited edition of 100016.JP 1993 CD:Republic (Polydor K.K. POCD-1110)Limited edition, includes lyrics and extra tracks, 1500 copies=17.UK 1987 CS:Substance (Factory FACT 200C) [white linen box with inserts ltd.ed. 2000]=17. CA 1986 7": Bizarre Love Triangle PolyGram [FAC 26) [gatefold sleeve] ltd.ed. 2000=17. FR 2001 CD:Get Ready WEA/London 8573 89621-2) limited edition of 2000 in combination with comic type booklet [in French] entitled "old kids return" and T-shirt20.UK 1982 7": (Factory FAC 51b) [flexi] Limited edition of 4400 given away at the Hacienda Christmas Eve 1982.the next 3021.UK 1989 12":Run 2 UK 1989 (Factory FAC 273) [ltd. ed. 20000]Murv Isn`t there a rare box set for the release of Republic?

The last 20 or so LIVE BOOTLEGS must be rare and are what most of us would like for Christmas.

Probably have to do with watching Chevy Chases Christmas Vacation again though, it is funny though, those crazy Americans, always a happy ending except in the countries they Bomb.

Originally posted by Murv Isn`t there a rare box set for the release of Republic?

Yes. Two.

"Two different promotional UK box-sets exist. One box-set contains the LP, CS, signed CD and signed photo. 75 copies were made. The other version came in a plastic bag with the addition of a Regret promo video and T-shirt. 20 copies were made of this set." (as featured in the upcoming New Order Discography update.)

/TLV

you ALL forgot the someone like you 6 track uk cdr promo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! surely thats in the top 20!, i have only seen 2 copies and i own 1 of them! (pictures on request!)

Originally posted by nuts you ALL forgot the someone like you 6 track uk cdr promo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!surely thats in the top 20!, i have only seen 2 copies and i own 1 of them!(pictures on request!)

I actually own a copy of this my self....a BROKEN copy...the CD got cracked during shipment and plays only some of the songs...

However...someone (Nuts) was kind enough to make me a copy ...so at least I have a playable copy :D

Originally posted by nuts you ALL forgot the someone like you 6 track uk cdr promo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!surely thats in the top 20!, i have only seen 2 copies and i own 1 of them!(pictures on request!)

A scan and tracklisting would be super. ;)

/TLV

Like many fans and collectors, the passion fades after a while, and one realizes that there's more to life than New Order, testpresses, and the Internet.../T.

Delurking for my quarterly NOOL posting ...

T... You've hit a chord with me.

Hats off to you for stating what periodically keeps me from updating the Fac discog (which actually p!sses some people off), and handing Rich Kernin's and my New Order baby over to your good self and Rich to maintain and 'seed' other sites: A Life - in this case wife, son, real job, record label (I took my obsessions to their logical conclusion - see www.trans.com.au)...

I wouldn't say the passion fades - how can it when the Order keep on delivering the goods... rather the priorities change. I also think there are various grades of collector... On a scale of :D to I'd probably rate a .

Now... off to track down the sniping f@@ker that decided to bid US$810 for a copy of the Sordide pressing of Atmosphere on Ebay last week. It would have gone to a good home...

Bit of history for you - the earliest incarnations of the New Order discog (pre WWW, emailed to Ceremony and Usenet only) were drawn from our own heads, collections and research but also from early press - not least of which was an excellent article on New Order rarities in Record Collector magazine circa 1991/2 (I think) - and access to (in my case) Factory Australia.

The Factory Discog also started as a correction of the Palatine list, and then expansion to include track information, etc. This one has been great fun and has evolved through lots of contribution from the Fac listers, and numerous ex-Factory artists and co-conspirators who chime in from time to time. I have to say though that I'm more interested in the in-operation Factory / Fac Too information than the stuff that's happened since their collapse(s). Many have asked why I've never bothered asking for a Fac #. Not sure really, but it might have something to do with maintaining a certain perspective and distance (Australia is about as far from Manchester as you can get), and focussing on appreciation of the music and design rather than any pretence of being 'part' of something that has definitely had its time and place.

When I finish my book on the subject I may change my tune however...

G'day to Johnny Giles & the gang.

Best Dennis R

A cd-r isnt really a promo is it? they come in a plastic slip case with a card sleeve. anyone could duplicate that,the "Someone Like You" thing was knocking about on eBay this year-buy it now £10,the guy mustve sold loads cos it was on for weeks. got one myself-cant put my hand on it right now,but its the one with stupid mixes like "Without Guitar Mix".

Originally posted by SteveOne A cd-r isnt really a promo is it? they come in a plastic slip case with a card sleeve. anyone could duplicate that,the "Someone Like You" thing was knocking about on eBay this year-buy it now £10,the guy mustve sold loads cos it was on for weeks. got one myself-cant put my hand on it right now,but its the one with stupid mixes like "Without Guitar Mix".

someone like you 1.futureshox vox remix 2.funk d'void remix (without guitar & vocals) 3.gabriel & dresden 911 vocal mix 4.futureshock strip down 5.funk d'void remix (no guitar solo & less) 6.gabriel & dresden voco-tech dub

This the one stevey boy? i've had my copy for about 2 years now.

Would be nice to find out if it is a boot, i always thought it to be legit, looks exactly the same as all the other london cdr promos i have.

will send a scan to tlv,if this man dont know then no one does!

regards

Hey Dennis,

Good to hear from you. Yes, "changing priorities" is probably what I was going for in my posting.

Originally posted by Dennis Remmer Bit of history for you - the earliest incarnations of the New Order discog (pre WWW, emailed to Ceremony and Usenet only) were drawn from our own heads, collections and research but also from early press - not least of which was an excellent article on New Order rarities in Record Collector magazine circa 1991/2 (I think) - and access to (in my case) Factory Australia.

So it wasn't the Goldmine article that fernando wrote around that time frame (or did he write it for Record Collector? my memory fades...)?

BTW: Version 1.0 (ASCII) of the New Order Discography, as posted on Ceremony, can be found in the credits section of the Discography. I put it there as a historical document... ;)

/TLV

well to be honest after reading the lists posted, the term new order and rare releases really dont make sense. ive been a new order fan since the jd days and not a single track in any of the lists isnt easily available in some form from a retail/high street shop,ie: you can hear it in some form anywhere. live bootlegs excepted. ok ok misprints ,artwork,coloured vinyl ect i can see the interest for a die hard fan but ffs the songs are not rare. you can count on one hand the recorded rare material from new order or should i say half of one hand if you dont count bootlegs.

1.touch tape with mag (video 586)original version, got it 2.hac crimbo flexi (utter crap) ,got it 3.subculture (record mirror giveaway) got it.

now even rarer than anything on any of these lists is something from joy division. its on closer and a video was made for the track,can anyone guess what it is?;)

Originally posted by mike powell well to be honest after reading the lists posted, the term new order and rare releases really dont make sense.ive been a new order fan since the jd days and not a single track in any of the lists isnt easily available in some form from a retail/high street shop,ie: you can hear it in some form anywhere.live bootlegs excepted.ok ok misprints ,artwork,coloured vinyl ect i can see the interest for a die hard fan but ffs the songs are not rare.you can count on one hand the recorded rare material from new order or should i say half of one hand if you dont count bootlegs.1.touch tape with mag (video 586)original version, got it2.hac crimbo flexi (utter crap) ,got it3.subculture (record mirror giveaway) got it.now even rarer than anything on any of these lists is something from joy division.its on closer and a video was made for the track,can anyone guess what it is?;)

RARE - for most groups and solo artists it is nearly always
RELEASED tracks but in a certain FORMAT or LABEL that then makes it rare.Of course this is VERY subjective but for me it was not about collecting RARE items per se but just that i liked the different FORMATS and COVERS.Remember too that usually one had NO BLOODY idea if anything was hard to come by and i for one did not know one single person who had any NEW ORDER records apart from my ex-sister in law who had the ALTERNATE CEREMONY which i blagged.PROMOS which could be difficult to get hold of BEFORE the record came out was also difficult before the INTERNET.But now we all find out from DAY ONE what is available and WHEN this has made the joy of searching records out much less fun for me.I think this is the price we pay for GLOBAL SHARING.But as one who has made his collection available to NOOL's to listen to(which IS as good as OWNING and much less hassle)i think that as long as one is not CONNED into paying more than a reasonable price NOW for NEW ORDER there is no harm done.I have never sold any "RARE" and indeed any normal NEW ORDER records but have given away the odd hard to find PROMO of ELECTRONIC or a duplicate i have owned in NOT AS MINTY MINT as my other copy i have kept.But for us OLD TIMERS who could pay £3 tops for a 12 inch i know that if i was starting to COLLECT now it would be expensive.Probably the joy of getting NEW ORDER records as gifts for XMAS and birthdays are my most treasured artefacts.But let's not kid ourselves...it is the original tracks that are the best in most cases,memories from GIGS for the LIVE lovers and the comradeship when meeting fellow NOOL's (but not when you meet me,SHUGZV or MAJOR) that really counts. Cost of records...a few quid. Cost of the NEW ORDER memories ...PRICELESS. And MIKE don't be sneaking around APPLEJAX and following me home to nick my most RARE item....my P45! Regards ROCKET MICK

Originally posted by mike powell ok ok misprints ,artwork,coloured vinyl ect i can see the interest for a die hard fan but ffs the songs are not rare.you can count on one hand the recorded rare material from new order or should i say half of one hand if you dont count bootlegs.

Just looking at tracks makes the list much different. And it also depends on if you count tracks performed live but not studio-recorded, obscure remixes, and edits of tracks.

I can't comment on live performances, but many DJ subscription service remixes (Hot Tracks, DiscoTech, Art of Mix, Prime Cuts, DMC, etc.) are pretty hard to come by. BTW: The Record Mirror version of Subculture is just a fade-out version of one of Razormaid's remixes.

Other tracks worth a mention is:

1. the JP 7" version of Blue Monday (pressuming it exits... ;) )
2. first recording of Ceremony (well, at least it's tricky to find out which one you have... :) )
3. the alternate remix of The Kiss Of Death (it's on an acetate)
4. I think there's a rare edit of TPK on some CA promo, but I'm not sure
5. the 7:59 version of TBTHOG (12" Version) as only found on the JP and GE CDs of Salvation
6. the ever so slightly different 7" edit of BM88 on the CDV
7. the Eschreamer mixes of TF94
8. there may also be some rare remix/edit of BM95 - can't recall where exactly
9. the different radio edits of Brutal (all shorter than 4 minutes)
10. some Morel remix of TF 2k1
11. same goes for some remixes of SLY
12. The Peter Saville Soundtrack could also become a rarity
13. and don't forget the various demo-versions, pre-release versions of Get Ready and Republic come to mind. And then there's always the Western Works demo...

/TLV

Without causing a stampead,Western Works CD ep is currently on ebay...

Originally posted by SteveOne Without causing a stampead,Western Works CD ep is currently on ebay...

Wow, I didn't know CDs existed back then (1980)...

/TLV

Great minds think alike, I spent an hour or two last week listing some of the rarest stuff. Here's my version, with my estimates on values:

The Rarest New Order Records* (Foreign releases unless significant, not included. Post-Factory also not concentrated on) 1 Temptation 7": UK 1982 (Factory/Mute FAC 63b/Mute 22b) Testpress mispress, only 8 made. 200 2 Dreams Never End / Truth 10": US 1981 (The Automatt) [one sided acetate] Album version. This was never planned as a single. 175 3 Blue Monday 12": UK 198? (Factory FAC 23-12) Joy Division's "Love Will Tear Us Apart" misspressed. 175 4 BBC Transcription Disc - In Concert #422 LP: UK 1987 (BBC Transcription Services CN5049/S) [promo] The BBC transcription discs high-quality live-recordings intended for radio broadcast only. They are made in a very limited quantity, hence extremely rare. 150 5 BBC Transcription Disc - In Concert CD: UK 1993 (BBC Transcription Services TCD0624) [promo] The BBC transcription discs high-quality live-recordings intended for radio broadcast only. They are made in a very limited quantity, hence extremely rare. 150 6 Only the Lonely 10": US 1983 (Factory/Rough Trade) [acetate] The song is also known as "Ecstasy". 125 7 Blue Monday 7": PL 1988 (Tonpress DS-25-A) [promo] OR (Tonpress S-534) Unique sleeve. The promo was made in 60 copies. 125 8 Power, Corruption and Lies LP: GE 1983 (Factory/Rough Trade RTD11A) [testpress] Marble vinyl, 250 copies pressed, no picture sleeve. Some sources say 500 copies. 100 9 The Perfect Kiss 2x10": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123) [two one sided acetates] 65 10 Tutti Frutti 12": BZ 1989 (WEA 6wp.1004) [promo] 60 11 Mr. Disco 12": BZ 1989 (WEA 6wp.1064) [promo] 60 12 Run 2 7": UK 1989 (Factory FAC 273-7) [promo] Only 500 pressed as Radio/DJ promo. 50 13 Confusion 7": GE 1983 (Rough Trade LC 5661) [1 sided promo] Vinyl comes in eight different colours: green, lime, blue, purple, marble green/red, green clear vinyl, red clear vinyl and yellow clear vinyl. 50 14 Substance 1987 2xLP: UK 1987 (Factory FACT 200S) [gatefold sleeve] + Issued only to Factory employees; numbered limited edition of 1000. 50 15 Republic CD: JP 1993 (Polydor K.K. POCD-1110) Limited edition, includes lyrics and extra tracks, 1500 copies. 50 16 Procession 7": NZ 1981 (Factory FAC 53) Limited edition, light blue background and dark blue letters. 50 17 Procession 7": PG 1981 (Factory/Vimusica VFACT 110-2) AND: 7": SP 1981 (Nuevos Medios 20 008S) Blue graphics with grey background, mispress with reversed labels exists. 50 18 Procession 7": US 1981 (Factory/Rough Trade FAC 53) Yellow graphics with grey background and Rough Trade sticker, UK pressing. Also exists in aqua, green, and blue. 50 19 Republic CD: US 1993 (Qwest 9 45311-2) Promotional copy in yellow spongy digipak. 50 20 Bizarre Love Triangle 7": CA 1986 (PolyGram FAC 26) [gatefold sleeve] Limited edition of 2000. A-side is unique edit. 45 21 Get Ready CD: FR 2001 (WEA/London 8573 89621-2) Available on FNAC as a limited edition of 2000 in combination with comic booklet. 45 22 Procession 7": IT 1981 (Factory FAC 53) Black and white sleeve. 45 23 Temptation 7": IT 1982 (Factory/Base FAC 63) Lettering on sleeve in black, not embossed. 45 24 Christmas Flexi 7": UK 1982 (Factory FAC 51b) [flexi] Limited edition of 4400 given away at the Hacienda Christmas Eve 1982. 40 25 Blue Monday 7": UK 1983 (Factory FAC 73-7) [promo] Probably 3,000 released 40 26 Confusion 7": UK 1983 (Factory FAC 93) [promo] Probably 3,000 released 40 27 Thieves Like Us 7": UK 1984 (Factory FAC 103) [promo] 3,000 released 40 28 The Perfect Kiss 7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123-7) [promo] Probably 3,000 released 40 29 Sub-culture 7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 133/7) [promo] Probably 3,000 released 40 30 1981-1985 "Special DJ Copy" LP: JP 1985 (Factory/Columbia TD-3072) [promo] Used to promote the tour in Japan. 40 31 Touched by the Hand of God 7": UK 1987 (Factory FAC 193-7) [white label promo] Probably 3,000 released 40 32 Fine Time 7": UK 1988 (Factory FAC 223-7) [pink sleeve promo] Probably 3,000 released 40 33 Blue Monday 1988 CDV: UK 1988 (Factory FACDV 73R) [PAL] Contains a unique, slightly different mix/edit of Blue Monday 1988 (7" version) 40 34 BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert CD: UK 1992 (Windsong International WIN CD 011) Also as a limited edition issued in a wooden box. 40 35 In Order CD: US 1993 (Qwest PRO-CD-5970) [promo] Promotional item featuring a track from each available New Order album. 40 36 Technique LP: GE 1989 (Factory/Rough Trade RTD 100) The second pressing was issued with a free 7", Blue Monday 1988 (RTD 035). 40 37 Get Ready CD: GE 2001 (WEA/London 8573 89621-2) Sold at HMV and comes with a 16-page booklet with a complete discography. Promoted with a flat card, PROP 05229. 40

I have extra copies of New Order - In Order and 20 Years of New Order if anyone wants to trade.

Hi All,

So how rare is Video 586 from 1997, I picked it up on CD and 12".

Also got a 12" DJ promo of World (The Price of Love), were there many of these made?

Also have the Republic Era stuff on cassette too, liked the New Order mix of Vicious Circle on there.

(Don't think these have had a mention yet): Was thinking about the Japanese 3" CD singles for Touched and Blue Monday '88? (Nice items) Not seen these for sale much in the last 22 years... Must be pretty rare nowadays but it depends how many were printed.