New Order top 20 rare releases

1. UK 1983 Fac 73/7 Blue Monday 7" promo, fact or fiction ?? copies

2. NZ 1983 12": (EMI/GAP GOOD 10)Blue Monday unreleased red vinyl only 1 or 2 copies

3. UK 1992 CS(Factory FACT 300)Republic [pre-mix listening cassette] About 5 of these were made as official Factory pre-mix listening cassettes with 'FACT 300' on them. They contained mostly instrumental versions of the songs that ended up on the proper release of 'Republic' on London.

4.UK 1982 7"(Factory/Mute FAC 63b/Mute 22b) Hurt/ Oberkorn [by Depeche Mode]Testpress mispress, only 8 made.

5. AR 1989 LP (DG 234) Argentinan testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover was apparently made in 10 copies

6.UK 1994 True faith 12"WLP (London Records 90 Ltd NUXXDJ6) The first 15 pressings containing two True Faith remixes. True Faith-94 (eschreamer mix) True Faith-94 (eschreamer dub)

7.JP 1984 7" Blue Monday (Factory/Nippon Columbia TD-1098) [promo]4:09 Blue Monday 4:09 Confusion 25 copies

8. UK 1987 LP: BBC Transcription Services CN5049/S)Live at the Glastonbury Festival 1987. UK 1993 CD: BBC Transcription Services TCD0624)Live at the Reading Festival 1993.

The Transcription discs are very high quality live recordings that BBC only sells to other radio stations. A very limited number is made. 20 possibly up to 50

9.PL 1988 7" Blue Monday (Tonpress DS-25-A) [promo] 5:05 Blue Monday Unique purple-ish sleeve. The promo was made in 60 copies.

10.JP 1993 CD: Joy Division New Order Collection (Polydor K.K. DCI-3098) [promo] 100 copies

11. JP 1985 LP: 1981-1985(Factory/Columbia TD-3072) [promo] Used to promote the tour in Japan. Only 200 exist.

12.GE 1983 LP:POWER, CORRUPTION AND LIES (Factory/Rough Trade RTD11A)[marble vinyl] [testpressing, 250 made]c/w Rough Trade promo sheet

13.US 1983 12":Confusion (Streetwise SWRL 2213) played at the Garage on July 7, 1983.Has red testpress stamp or handwritten on a white lable. A New Music Seminar Special Edition. 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix. Approximately 400 were made.

14. UK 1989 7":Run 2 (Factory FAC 273-7) [promo] 3:35 Run 2 3:43 MTO Only 500 pressed as Radio/DJ promo

15.UK 1987 LP:Substance 2x (Factory FACT 200S) [gatefold sleeve] numbered limited edition of 1000

16.JP 1993 CD:Republic (Polydor K.K. POCD-1110)Limited edition, includes lyrics and extra tracks, 1500 copies

=17.UK 1987 CS:Substance (Factory FACT 200C) [white linen box with inserts ltd.ed. 2000]

=17. CA 1986 7": Bizarre Love Triangle PolyGram [FAC 26) [gatefold sleeve] ltd.ed. 2000

=17. FR 2001 CD:Get Ready WEA/London 8573 89621-2) limited edition of 2000 in combination with comic type booklet [in French] entitled "old kids return" and T-shirt

20.UK 1982 7": (Factory FAC 51b) [flexi] Limited edition of 4400 given away at the Hacienda Christmas Eve 1982.

the next 30 21.UK 1989 12":Run 2 UK 1989 (Factory FAC 273) [ltd. ed. 20000]

If you know of any other rarities and know the quantity released, post them and I`ll amend the listings.

For this list Ive used vinyl, cassette and CD release quantities. Info on release quantities has been sourced from our Nool discography, Factory discography, WIM, the New Order discography and the New Order web ring. If any of the information is incorrect please let me know. Ive not listed CDrs or acetates, but if you know the quantities Ill amend the list.

and while we are on the subject how many of these were there; NZ + Italian fac53, NZ Red vinyl blue monday 12", Confusion 7" fac 93DJ, In Order 12" orange vinyl, Regret 12" French promo, Best of Boxset

The rarest one I know about is FACT300, the Republic pre-mix cassette. Contains mostly instrumental mixes of the tracks that went on to form the album.

"About 5" were made.

I think I would actually kill someone to get my hands on one.

How about this "Area One Live in LA"-Promo CD-R ???

Originally posted by Old Blue The rarest one I know about is FACT300, the Republic pre-mix cassette. Contains mostly instrumental mixes of the tracks that went on to form the album."About 5" were made. I think I would actually kill someone to get my hands on one.

Thanks Old Blue, makes No.1....Ta

I only have 3 of those in the TOP 20 so Nice little thread which i will come to when i am in a BETTER frame of mind.:D

Who´s got an original or copy of this Republic tape ? Could you send me a copy of it ? I could pay for your mail expenses.

Originally posted by Murv 6.JP 1993 CD: Joy Division New Order Collection (Polydor K.K. DCI-3098) [promo] 100 copies7.UK 2002 12"Confusion ( WACKT 002 C/D)[Promo 150 Copies W/ Reaction Sheet][Sept promo]9. JP 1985 LP: 1981-1985(Factory/Columbia TD-3072) [promo] Used to promote the tour in Japan. Only 200 exist10.US 1983 12":Confusion (Streetwise SWRL 2213) played at the Garage on July 7, 1983. Approximately 400 were made.

6: Where have you heard that 100 copies exists?

7: I actually got that promo from HMV.co.uk...

9: Where have you heard that 200 copies exists?

10: Is this the same as the New Music Seminar 12" that has the Rough Mix on both sides?

I'm missing the top 5.

/T.

How do you define rare?

By numbers? (objecive approach)

In that case, I would add:

• The BBC Transcription discs, especially #623 (Reading Festival on CD). The Transcription discs are very high quality live recordings that BBC oly sells to other radio stations. A very, very limited number is made. I've heard around 20, but would guess up to 50.

• Acetates. Especially the non-released DreamsNeverEnd/Truth and OnlyTheLonely (aka. Ectasy) actetates.

• Metallic testpress of TPK (7LYN15645-1) with an alternate remix. One copy exists.

• The red vinyl version of BM from NZ. Can't remember exactly the numbers but I believe only one or two copies exists. Anyone?

• Argentinian testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover.

• The 3:20 version of Brutal. Less than 5 CDRs made by London. They were recalled.

• Some of the later CDR promos. For example, Various 7" Versions, Get Ready "Not Final", TF2k1 "Morel's Mixes", 60mph David Kahne Recall 2 (2-4 copies).

• Palatine promo, 75 copies.

• Lots of other promos. E.g. CA CD promo of Technique, TECH-1.

• Not to mention the non-music items, such as the 12" Ruler, TF paperweight, Little Lewie, and the TBTHOG (soccer) football (30 were made).

Now, if rarity is not defined by the numbers, but by a mix of numbers and scarceness of tracks and format, other items would be added (IMHO):

• Translucent vinyl of Movement.
• Vida Pobre (Low-Life LP from Argentina)
• Substance DAT
• BM misspressed 12" b/w LWTUA
• Tutti Frutti
• CD versions of From Brussels With Love and A Quick Neat Job.

There are, of course, a lot more items to search for...

/T.

Originally posted by TLV How do you define rare?By numbers? (objecive approach)In that case, I would add:- The BBC Transcription discs, especially #623 (Reading Festival on CD). The Transcription discs are very high quality live recordings that BBC oly sells to other radio stations. A very, very limited number is made. I've heard around 20, but would guess up to 50.- Acetates. Especially the non-released DreamsNeverEnd/Truth and OnlyTheLonely (aka. Ectasy) actetates.- Metallic testpress of TPK (7LYN15645-1) with an alternate remix. One copy exists.- The red vinyl version of BM from NZ. Can't remember exactly the numbers but I believe only one or two copies exists. Anyone?- Argentinian testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover.- The 3:20 version of Brutal. Less than 5 CDRs made by London. They were recalled.- Some of the later CDR promos. For example, Various 7" Versions, Get Ready "Not Final", TF2k1 "Morel's Mixes", 60mph David Kahne Recall 2 (2-4 copies).- Palatine promo, 75 copies.- Lots of other promos. E.g. CA CD promo of Technique, TECH-1.- Not to mention the non-music items, such as the 12" Ruler, TF paperweight, Little Lewie, and the TBTHOG (soccer) football (30 were made).Now, if rarity is not defined by the numbers, but by a mix of numbers and scarceness of tracks and format, other items would be added (IMHO):- Translucent vinyl of Movement.- Vida Pobre (Low-Life LP from Argentina)- Substance DAT- BM misspressed 12" b/w LWTUA- Tutti Frutti- CD versions of From Brussels With Love and A Quick Neat Job.There are, of course, a lot more items to search for.../T.

For this list Ive used vinyl, cassette and CD release quantities. Ive used the Factory discography, WIM, the New Order discography and the New Order web ring for information on quantities released. If any of the information is incorrect let me know. Ive not listed CDrs or acetates.

The Collection info was from http://www.worldinmotion.net/theothertwo/miscellaneous/collection.htm

this info was taken before the WIM site was updated

Originally posted by Spotnick Is this a way of telling me my discography is not up to date? :D

How do you mean? compiling the list? or using other sites to get info?

Maybe we could keep this list in addition to the discography, make it strictly vinyl, CD and cassette possibly including acetates.

Originally posted by Spotnick I'm starting to think many people here would like to be able to compile their collection from the discography here...A kind of shopping cart, then save it to your profile, accessible from the profile.. this way, if someone is looking for an item, he could see who has it in his collection...This way, we can see what's rare for people online! in the discography you can see that x people own this item, etc..

Sound like a brilliant idea

Hey Murv, check TLV's profile...

I've only got 3 on this list...but as has been said before there are many other rarities not on your list...still its not a bad starting point for anyone looking to jump in.

BTW I got this

=14. CA 1986 7": Bizarre Love Triangle PolyGram [FAC 26) [gatefold sleeve] [ltd.ed. 2000

about 2weeks ago for under $8 USD....unbelievable!!!

Originally posted by Old Blue Hey Murv, check TLV's profile...

Ooo er, the big man himself.......my what a fine New Order discography.:D

there is a unique release - the prize given to a competition in select magazine in the uk where you did your own compilation & they added a unique mix/track to it

Originally posted by Rocket Mick I only have 3 of those in the TOP 20 so Nice little thread which i will come to when i am in a BETTER frame of mind.:D

6 in the top 21

what about fac305c - thats got to be quite limited?

Has the ORIGINAL list been changed or was i still PISSED.I now have at least 6 of these which i will list once i checked the EXACT details.There is no details of the FINE TIME in PINK COVER DJ PROMO which i thought was RARE.But what do i know?:D

Originally posted by TLV How do you define rare?By numbers? (objecive approach)In that case, I would add:- The BBC Transcription discs, especially #623 (Reading Festival on CD). The Transcription discs are very high quality live recordings that BBC oly sells to other radio stations. A very, very limited number is made. I've heard around 20, but would guess up to 50.- Acetates. Especially the non-released DreamsNeverEnd/Truth and OnlyTheLonely (aka. Ectasy) actetates.- Metallic testpress of TPK (7LYN15645-1) with an alternate remix. One copy exists.- The red vinyl version of BM from NZ. Can't remember exactly the numbers but I believe only one or two copies exists. Anyone?- Argentinian testpress of Technique with withdrawn cover.- The 3:20 version of Brutal. Less than 5 CDRs made by London. They were recalled.- Some of the later CDR promos. For example, Various 7" Versions, Get Ready "Not Final", TF2k1 "Morel's Mixes", 60mph David Kahne Recall 2 (2-4 copies).- Palatine promo, 75 copies.- Lots of other promos. E.g. CA CD promo of Technique, TECH-1.- Not to mention the non-music items, such as the 12" Ruler, TF paperweight, Little Lewie, and the TBTHOG (soccer) football (30 were made).Now, if rarity is not defined by the numbers, but by a mix of numbers and scarceness of tracks and format, other items would be added (IMHO):- Translucent vinyl of Movement.- Vida Pobre (Low-Life LP from Argentina)- Substance DAT- BM misspressed 12" b/w LWTUA- Tutti Frutti- CD versions of From Brussels With Love and A Quick Neat Job.There are, of course, a lot more items to search for.../T.

I was just thinking the same and guess what... VIDA POBRE is ONE of my FINEST additions! As is FINE TIME in PINK COVER DJ so has not to upset the Djs with the PILL reference! Of the 21 i have only STREETWISE Confusion,RETRO 5,Run2 7INCH and 12 INCH and FAC26 Canadian BLT.Also got the FLEXI HAC one which is CRAP. I have the WEATHERALL REGRET and nine FAC53s. Hooky's POT NOODLE(Empty)...BEEF/TOM flavour...lovely. But most of all i have the MUSIC...so good it HURTs. I have just forgot to mention number 50 of the DOUBLE SUBSTANCE is MINTY MINT condition but this still only makes it 7 from 21.So not very good there ROCKET!Come on HIBSTER ...have another check cos this has been editted since i last checked.Bet you have MORE than 7!Come on...out with em!:D

RM have you got quantities released for those you`ve mentioned?

12/21 the Collection, 1981-1985, PCL RTD,Flexi,RuN 7+12,french Get Ready promo, Jap Republic promo, Substance Gatefold minty, substance CS box, 2002 confusion and CA BLT

I recently aquired a Jap promo CS of International can`t be too many of those around.:D

alas mick I have no more than before

only the run 2 7 & 12 (though have a couple of the run2 12"s) substance box cassette & the gatefold substance (cant remember my number) blt gatefold (withdrawn wasn't it?) 7" & retro UK 5 disc.

technique on DAT must be quite limited & surely the cdv singles are rarer than retro?

Originally posted by Murv RM have you got quantities released for those youve mentioned? BTW Ive got 13/21, what I really want is the NZ red BM and the Jap 7" BM promo. I recently aquired a Jap promo CS of International can`t be too many of those around.

Think I've got those BM's Murv (although not to sell) - could you describe them? - have you heard of the acetate of BM, I haven't a clue where that came from.

What's the BM with white sleeve with red diagonal slash - the 12" on 10"? (or 7").

Anyone got the 7" with orange and black label 'Dreams Never End'. A picture disk interview thing?

I wish I hadn't put my Low-Life inserts on the wall - never mind.

What's a Low-Life poster worth these days? - is this rare? - what about True Faith poster (the blue background)?