I can't BELIEVE this song was never released as a single!

Not counting promos, unreleased singles, singles for certain territories only (I'm pretty sure none of the above was ever widely released as a single).

Something, ANYTHING off Power, Corruption and Lies. Your Silent Face wouldn't have done well, Age of Consent might have possibly. Could always bank on Leave Me Alone.

Also, why the hell is Times Change in there?

"Also, why the hell is Times Change in there?"

Because it's my poll and I like Times Change. I actually thought it might be the second single off Republic when I first heard it.

ShugZV done this as his first ever NO thread a good 2 years ago, I believe Age Of Consent won this by a fookin mile

ShugZV concurs:D

I've never really been arsed about the distinction between singles and album tracks myself, although I suppose it may mean more "mainstream" appeal for the Order.

To me, any recorded output is good. I s'pose I agree that the guys could have cashed in on the success of "Making Out" (the BBC TV programme which had VP as the theme music), so that would seem the logical choice.

As much as I lurve AOC, I just don't think the outside world would have been ready for that, so soon after Blue Monday (hence the rather obscure hip-hop fest that was Confusion !).

VP gets the vote :)

Paradise!!!!! Great power song.

Voted for Turn My Way. Not a huge BC/SP fan (though they're not bad) I really love that song. Having said that, Vanishing Point is pure class too.

As happens a lot, if this poll happened next week, it could be the other way round.

ROCK THE SHACK

...and now this isn't the famous running-gag! But i think "Love Vigilantes" would have made a good single. In terms of arrangement, melodies, hookline would've been a good choice. i can also imagine a great and arty video for this one!

Originally posted by Marco Pleil ...and now this isn't the famous running-gag! But i think "Love Vigilantes" would have made a good single. In terms of arrangement, melodies, hookline would've been a good choice. i can also imagine a great and arty video for this one!

i completely agree with you, Marco. Love Vigilantes is one of my favorite New Order songs. it's beautiful and wonderful and magnificently arranged.

BUT - despite my previous post - i still voted for Vanishing Point.

Originally posted by almanso well, i think no one understands why Vanishing Point was never released as a single.

well, it was originally going to be, but then the band fired the person who wanted to release it as a single and decided to release Fine Time instead.

(or something like that; i read that a while ago on some New Order FAQ - possibly on this site).

(and i agree with you, by the way. it DEFINITELY should have been a single.)

Vanishing point and Close Range. Why Fine Time and why 60MPH?

Two good ones instead of two very good ones. Can't understand.

your silent face definitely, it may not have done well commercially but it would have been worth it alone to see a promotional video for it

Vanishing Point is a truly amazing sond and should have been released years ago.Would have charted too!

i think paradise would have made a great single, and may have done fairly well in the charts. it may have even done ok on this side of the atlantic (relatively speaking).

Originally posted by Marco Pleil ...and now this isn't the famous running-gag! But i think "Love Vigilantes" would have made a good single. In terms of arrangement, melodies, hookline would've been a good choice. i can also imagine a great and arty video for this one!

They should have released Love Vig as a single in 2003 to promote Retro!

More seriously, I like the idea of releasing singles that are not on the album and albums without singles from them.

An album should be considered as a whole: a dozen songs of 4 minutes each, put together in a coherent way. A single should consist of 1 main song (the "A-side"), 7 or 8 minutes long, and a few "B-sides" that wouldn't make it on an album because of their more experimental or "one-shot" nature.

It would be great if New Order started doing that again. Will there ever again be long, envelope-pushing, experimental singles conceived as epics for the 12" format, like "Temptation", "Blue Monday", "Confusion", "Thieves Like Us" and "Perfect Kiss"?

And remember the days of albums with eight tracks and no singles.

Things could be changing, though. In the UK, where I am, only two singles were released from "Get Ready", as against four from the previous "Republic". John Squire's new album "Time Changes Everything" had just one single released (which bombed), and that was after the LP came out. Ian Brown's "Music of the Spheres" had two singles released off it, one less than both his previous LPs. And The Cure's last album, "Bloodflowers", featured no singles at all.

So maybe the next New Order album will have only one or two singles released from it, or perhaps none. Well, none is unlikely, because they always seem to write at least one brilliant hit single per album, but I think the days are gone when albums by acts like New Order, Morrissey and Pet Shop Boys were milked for at least four and often five singles.

Originally posted by Tout est devenu vert > Originally posted by Marco Pleil> ...and now this isn't the famous running-gag! But i think "Love Vigilantes" would have made a good single. In terms of arrangement, melodies, hookline would've been a good choice. i can also imagine a great and arty video for this one!

They should have released Love Vig as a single in 2003 to promote Retro!

well, but would it be a good strategy to release a hidden-track as a single ???

I've always liked Angel Dust for some reason but as nobody else seems to I am looking for an excuse not to like it so that I can expunge this streak of individualism in me.

Originally posted by AgentWood i think paradise would have made a great single, and may have done fairly well in the charts. it may have even done ok on this side of the atlantic (relatively speaking).

They did release it in 2001, calling it Crystal. OK, so they changed the words and the song structure, but the guitar parts are somewhat similar ! At least they got rid of the terrible screeching high bassline that kills the song !

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes > Originally posted by AgentWood> i think paradise would have made a great single, and may have done fairly well in the charts. it may have even done ok on this side of the atlantic (relatively speaking).

They did release it in 2001, calling it Crystal. OK, so they changed the words and the song structure, but the guitar parts are somewhat similar ! At least they got rid of the terrible screeching high bassline that kills the song ! Nice one BENNY!

Angel Dust is brilliant IMO. I see it as too dark and strange to trouble the charts. May have appealed to the goths me thinks.

Cheers ALEX

Love vigilantes to this day remains the most played song on American Radio. When Low-life came out every college DJ in America played this song. Of course, I can understand why Quincy Jones wouldn't want to celebrate his new alliance w/ one of the hottest club acts in the world w/ a verse/chorus/verse/chorus/solo/verse/chorus rock song.

From that list "Love Vigilantes". But I can't believe "Face Up" is not in this poll. It still has Number 1 written all over it.

Originally posted by HaciendaThat From that list "Love Vigilantes". But I can't believe "Face Up" is not in this poll. It still has Number 1 written all over it.

i agree; Face Up is as hooky (no pun intended) as it gets. it's so loaded with energy and fire that i think it would have done pretty well as a single. still, there's something about it that i think doesn't make it the best candidate for an A Side. i'm kind of glad it wasn't a single, in some senses. but it's definitely one of my favorite NO songs. :)

Originally posted by Alex Jacks Angel Dust is brilliant IMO. I see it as too dark and strange to trouble the charts. May have appealed to the goths me thinks.CheersALEX

i agree. Angel Dust is fabulous.

Originally posted by a very small boy I've always liked Angel Dust for some reason but as nobody else seems to I am looking for an excuse not to like it so that I can expunge this streak of individualism in me.

I like it too but my vote goes to Brutal which was a one off song and perfect for a come back single to announce they were back.

I've gone for Brutal on this one; it deserves a wider audience than it got. I'd be quite happy to have it clogging up the airwaves instead of the usual rubbish.

I also voted for Brutal. It was so different from the shit they were playing in the late 90's (well most was shit), but not different enough as to be out of place. Perfect single material, would make good for remixing in my opinion.

On another note, Angel Dust was absolutely briliant. It was so.. Weird. But good. Something about the sound just captures my interest. And that one synth part sounds so cool on electric guitar!!

To the starter of this thread: Times Change is a great song, and now that hiphop has kind of exploded, it might do ok in the charts now. But back in '93, I'm not sure it was A-side material. I'm saying this, yet it's one of my favorite songs. Hmm.

In lieu of "Mr. Disco" I choose "Vanishing Point". There's been some unofficial mixes of it already and to think what it'd sound like if the Order remixed a few times, á la "Round & Round".

Originally posted by Spotnick Voted for Turn My Way, but with all the threads on this subject, I now know for sure that it should have been a single IN NORTH AMERICA... not in the UK, for some reason, this songs seems to have fan only from North Americans...It would have been perfect to promote the Area:One tour WITH Billy Corgan, but well, I was expecting to see New Order back in North America in late 2001, but September 11th changed probably all the plans, since Get Ready was released 2 months later in the US and Canada, and that Crystal went to #1 of the Billboard Dance Chart, with Billy Corgan on the track, this song was PERFECT for the market out here, this was meant to be a top 10 hit without any problem....Go figure, instead the US did Someone Like You promos and finally, there has not been a 2nd single in North America at all.. Reprise pulled the plug on New Order...The only reason I can see why this never happened would be because of the Get Ready sales out here, and because the band didn't want to do any promotional work for Get Ready in the US, nobody could blame them after 9-11 isn't it?

I totally agree with your synopsis. I also think the record label might have been afraid of Billy Corgan at the time. He was just finished decapitating one of the biggest bands in the states, so I'm sure they were pretty wary about his effect on how the single would do.

Singles in the States just seem like a waste to me, tho. Singles by non pop/r&b bands don't tend to do very well at all, and tend to be overpriced. I could be wrong.. But obsessive fans like us wouldn't mind a cheaper alternative to get harder to find b-sides like player in the league, etc.

Originally posted by AgentWood i think paradise would have made a great single, and may have done fairly well in the charts. it may have even done ok on this side of the atlantic (relatively speaking).

Paradise used to get ALOT of play on KROQ in Los Angeles, which is one of the biggest alterna radio stations in the US. Might have been only on their 'flashback' 80s lunch program, but I remembering hearing it many many times when I was in high school.

An interesting thread idea would be. What album songs should have been the singles off of each album? I'd probably have chosen Blue Monday (American Release of PCL) and Age of Consent for PCL (laregly because Your Silent face would be showcasing more of the same, Age of Consent would show another facet of the band, and draw in more of the anti-new wave radio listeners who (thought they) hated synths).

W/Low-life I would have gone w/Love Vigilantees followed by Perfect Kiss (though I'm still trying to figure out how on earth Perfect Kiss failed so miserably as a single). W/Brotherhood I would go with BLT, followed by either Angel Dust or Weirdo. W/Technique I would have released Vanishing Point, and either Dream Attack, Run or Mr. Disco (Dream Attack actually got more run in the bay area radio market than Round and Round, and Fine Time and Run got), w/Republic I would have gone w/Regret, and either Everyone Everywhere, Young Offender, or the lyrically awful World. With Get Ready it would have been Crystal, and At Close Range, w/Turn My Way getting serious attention for the US Market.

Originally posted by a very small boy I've always liked Angel Dust for some reason but as nobody else seems to I am looking for an excuse not to like it so that I can expunge this streak of individualism in me.

You're not alone! It's a terrific but underrated track, which sound particularly good live. Think you'll find Benny's a fan too.

Vanishing Point totally should've seen a single, and maybe Age of Consent also. Angel Dust could've been one too. And Face Up, even though it isn't one of my favorites (except for the beginning), might have been an okay single too.

Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by Tout est devenu vert> More seriously, I like the idea of releasing singles that are not on the album and albums without singles from them.> > An album should be considered as a whole: a dozen songs of 4 minutes each, put together in a coherent way. A single should consist of 1 main song (the "A-side"), 7 or 8 minutes long, and a few "B-sides" that wouldn't make it on an album because of their more experimental or "one-shot" nature.

Don't you think that these albums are actually albums without the singles included on it? So meaning PC&L should have Temptation, Everything's Gone Green & Blue Monday on it, and Movement should have Ceremony/Procession on it? ;)

I don't think so. These songs wouldn't fit on those albums. Just my opinionion, though.

From each album:

Movement- Dreams never end PCL- Age of consent Low-life- That Marco Pleil song Brotherhood- Paradise Substance- 1963 (why did we had to wait EIGHT years for this?) Technique- Vanishing point Republic- Young offender Get ready- Close range

I've always loved AOC, it might not have stormed the charts but it would've been a great single.

Agree about Face-up, I've always stuck up for this one being the best NO album closer (or pretty damn close, at least), but don't think it would've been a good A-side. Fantastic song all the same

Fun poll, but really, the trick that makes New Order albums good is that there probably is room for 4,5, or 6 singles on each album. Quality over quantity.

More bands should look into this "philosophy"

Went for AOC, but DNE, YSF and All The Way should well have been singles. Could never decide whether it was a good thing that NO carried on the JD tradition of not releasing album tracks (well, for the early years anyway).

Hahaha... anything is better than 'State of the nation'!! I'll go for 'Rock the Shack'. Mind you, I would wipe Bobby Gilespie's vocal. _

Edward

Originally posted by Edward Brennan Hahaha... anything is better than 'State of the nation'!!I'll go for 'Rock the Shack'. Mind you, I would wipe Bobby Gilespie's vocal._Edward

I'd wipe the whole chorus too, while I was at that!