E.l.e.g.i.a
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It's not a proper word, more a variation on a theme, though I believe it's supposed to relate to funerals or something, like an elegy.
It's also the middle name of one of the Mackem's daughters. They're all big Order fans. Said father also runs a record label called Elegian records, and I think his management company might be named that too? 'ardcore!
Originally posted by Al Jarvis It's none a proper word, more a variation on a theme, though I believe it's supposed to relate to funerals or something, like an elegy.
"Elegia" is the latin word for "elegy". It's a proper word (albeit from a long-dead language...)!
how do people pronounce it though?
i always thought it was el-edge-ear, but used it as a handle on an internet site & people called me el-egg-ear
Originally posted by Hibster how do people pronounce it though?i always thought it was el-edge-ear, but used it as a handle on an internet site & people called me el-egg-ear
el-edge-ear, but I'm not 100% sure. Latin, eh? I don't remember what I ate yesterday, let alone what I learned at the uni 12 years ago...
Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round "Elegia" is the latin word for "elegy". It's a proper word (albeit from a long-dead language...)!
You live. And learn! 
It's still also my mate's daughter's middle name though!
Me and Shugzy was chatting about this at the weekend, i always have (and probably always will!) prounounced it
Ell-eej-aah (softening the G)
my memory eludes me as to where i picked up that pronunciation but wrong or right i've stuck by it!!!
As long as you know what the wod means, it doesn't matter how it's pronounced, as long as it doesn't sound outright stupid.
Originally posted by DoN Me and Shugzy was chatting about this at the weekend, i always have (and probably always will!) prounounced it Ell-eej-aah (softening the G)my memory eludes me as to where i picked up that pronunciation but wrong or right i've stuck by it!!!
3 against 2 so far don - i based my pronounciation on the ia at the end makeing it end with the ear (or ee-ah) sound)
shall we do a poll on it?
Originally posted by Hibster > Originally posted by DoN> Me and Shugzy was chatting about this at the weekend, > i always have (and probably always will!) prounounced it > > Ell-eej-aah (softening the G)> > my memory eludes me as to where i picked up that pronunciation but wrong or right i've stuck by it!!!
3 against 2 so far don - i based my pronounciation on the ia at the end makeing it end with the ear (or ee-ah) sound)
shall we do a poll on it?
Hmmm could be a decider
Out of interest any bootlegs about where Barney introduces it? I wonder how he pronounces it..?
Originally posted by DoN Out of interest any bootlegs about where Barney introduces it? I wonder how he pronounces it..?
He pronounces it the way I did, I'm pretty sure.
Perhaps Hammersmith Palais, from memory, if anyone's got it to hand?
I'm french native, so I've always pronounced it "eee lay gee ah", the italian way of you want :D
If it's latin, this MUST be the right way to say it, since french is a latin language..
I've just looked it up in my Oxford English Dictionary (well I've got to use it for something!). Translating all those fancy phonetic symbols it sounds like this....
E as in bEd L E as like the I in sIt G like a J IA as in fIRE
ELEEJIRE whereas I'd always said ELEEJIER before.
Hey, why doesn't the next person who bumps into Hooky ask him. I'm sure he'll reply "It's pronounced 'F*ckOffYouTw*t'".
In cockney rhyming slang it's El Richard Gere drinking tia maria......el-ej-ia. 4-2 in the back of the net:D
I brought this up at the weekend, cos I remember someone in the Worlds End pronouncing it eleeejah??? bollocks - it's the way I have described it;)
This is what 12 years in english classes won't tell you.
How can something finishing in IA is pronounced IRE.. 
I know, I know, french is more more complex than that and has a lot of stupid rules ;)
I've always seen it as EL-e-gia (thank that's how I think of it, can't be sure!) and figured it was a take-off on elegy. Maybe because I took French for two years (but can barely understand it now) and was acquainted with the way anything was denoted as feminine with "la", I think it just didn't seem out of the ordinary or worth saying "'Elegia'? What the hell is that?"
Elegia is indeed a word in croatian, albeit spelled "elegija". It's pronounced exactly the same as it's written. It roughly means a sad and nostalgic tune or song.
Well I've always pronounced it Elle-edge-e-errr or something.
Didn't realise it was the latin for elegy, always presumed it was a take on Elegiac which I think means sad or melancholy which seems to fit the song.
But what does Si Firmir O'Grido mean?
elegia. try pronouncing it the same way as elegy and adding a latin A (sort of AH). ELLEGEEAH for the english speakers. there you go.
the word is latin but it comes from the greek word elegeía, which also comes from the word élegos (crying, not the verb but the noun).
as for the meaning of the word, an elegia use to be a special poetic composition to feel sorry for the death of a person or any other event that deserves being cried for.
Originally posted by Mickey Way But what does Si Firmir O'Grido mean?
Yes she does have large breasts.
And well done for all the sensible posts peeps - it's like dictionary corner here today:D
I'm still gonna pronounce it El-e-Gia though
Originally posted by ShugZV©
> Originally posted by Mickey Way> > But what does Si Firmir O'Grido mean?
Yes she does have large breasts.
And well done for all the sensible posts peeps - it's like dictionary corner here today:D
I'm still gonna pronounce it El-e-Gia though
Same here, I will not be swayed by the crowd. I am a non-conformist.......
It´s a sub-group of lyrism.It has to be sad and has to sound musical. A poem is lyrical because of an instrument called lyra.The poem had to sound very musical in order to be folloewd by the lyra. Nero allways tried to do It.But he failled and deceided to burn Rome.A true artist. :)
Originally posted by almanso elegia. try pronouncing it the same way as elegy and adding a latin A (sort of AH). ELLEGEEAH for the english speakers. there you go. the word is latin but it comes from the greek word elegeía, which also comes from the word élegos (crying, not the verb but the noun).as for the meaning of the word, an elegia use to be a special poetic composition to feel sorry for the death of a person or any other event that deserves being cried for.
nicely done, sir. that's always how i've pronounced it, being a yank. but if i am wrong, who cares? language is about communication, not properness. I mean, as long as the meaning of a word is conveyed, does it really matter how it is pronounced (so long as it isn't confusing to the listener)?
it definitely matters how a word is pronounced. two homonyms: bow and bow. two different pronunciations, two different meanings, same spelling.
anyhow, back to elegia. i've always pronounced it el-EDGE-ee-ya. no idea if i'm right or not, but it sounds pleasant enough that way.... considering my above statement, however, i should probably get my arse in gear and figure out if it's the proper pronunciation! so, anyone know for abso-posi-lutely sure?
Originally posted by AgentWood it definitely matters how a word is pronounced. two homonyms: bow and bow. two different pronunciations, two different meanings, same spelling.
I certainly agree with you there, but I should've stressed more that pronunciation (or spelling, for that matter) doesn't matter all that much if there isn't the possibility for confusion. Since homoymns are easily confused, they should always be pronounced properly. But pronouncing 'elegia' differently than however it is that it's supposed to be said (i pronounce it the same way as you do) isn't going to be terribly confusing since so few English words sound similar to it.
Originally posted by Mickey Way Well But what does Si Firmir O'Grido mean?
Si Firmi O Grido: Stop or I'll scream in italian (honest to God it is!)
Surely this is now turned into the biggest heated debate since the Mesh/Cries & Whispers dilemma. Maybe Professor Stephen Morris will give us the answer in the booklet of the second New Order boxed set.
We still await someone to post a bootleg clip of Barney introducing the aforementioned song at a live gig to see if this sheds any light on the matter....
Originally posted by Major Tarantino I always pronounced it "Over long instrumental with several painful errors"
hehe!
that song with no words from pretty in pink
Originally posted by AgentWood it definitely matters how a word is pronounced. two homonyms: bow and bow. two different pronunciations, two different meanings, same spelling.
It's even funnier when you switch languages sometimes 
And words that sounds the same, but not spelled the same way are much better for that.
My favorite example is the SEAL, which is french is PHOQUE, which is pronounced.... FUCK :D
When my parents did a cruise to Alaska, many people looked at them funny when they were talking about the seals ;)
Originally posted by DoN > Originally posted by Major Tarantino I always pronounced it "Over long instrumental with several painful errors"
hehe!
that song with no words from pretty in pink
Hum, Shellshock had lyrics in Pretty in Pink? Don't remember if any part WITH lyrics were actually in the movie...
I remember Duckie on his bike, but other than that... bad memory (well, it's been a looong looong time!)
It's definitely pronounced EL-ER-GEE-ER - introduced by Barney at WOMAD, July 1986 (just checked the bootleg) :)
Originally posted by clayts It's definitely pronounced EL-ER-GEE-ER - introduced by Barney at WOMAD, July 1986 (just checked the bootleg) :)
yeah, for those with a Manc accent maybe.
Originally posted by HaciendaThat Surely this is now turned into the biggest heated debate since the Mesh/Cries & Whispers dilemma. Maybe Professor Stephen Morris will give us the answer in the booklet of the second New Order boxed set.
Is it just me, or should we all start a petition to get Stephen Morris an honorary professorship at some nice little college? He doesn't even need to take the job (god forbid the new album take longer), but I suggest he become a professor of music since I don't believe there's a scientific field that studies chins. :D
Originally posted by DoN We still await someone to post a bootleg clip of Barney introducing the aforementioned song at a live gig to see if this sheds any light on the matter....
Oops - missed that request : here we go : WOMAD July 85 - little 18 second snippet :)
The animation set to Elegia is More:
It's very good in my opinion.
I've always said it the way Barn says it (and always assumed I was saying it wrong, since I had some Latin as well, so it's funny that I've had it right after all).
My favorite translingual obscenities both involve Italians and Scandinavians:
Swedish "pretty sweater" (vacker tröja) sounds just like Italian "fucking bitch", and Finnish "look at the sea" sounds like Italian "fucking shit" (cazzo merde). Loverly people, those Italians! :D
youthful ideals eh...
- just to really do the dictionary thing...
"Of, relating to, or involving elegy or mourning or expressing sorrow for that which is irrecoverably past: an elegiac lament for youthful ideals"
elegy - 1514, from M.Fr. elegie, from L. elegia, from Gk. elegeia, ult. from elegos "poem, song," perhaps from a Phrygian word.
I pronounce it exactly as it's spelled. EL as in EL SALVADOR, EG as in EDGE, I as in EEL, A as in UGLY. El-Edge-Ee-Uh. Easy.
Barney also introduced it at Hammersmith 1985, as previously mentioned and gave a description of title as ' a funeral like dirge' (from memory so may not be exact words)and a comment along the lines of 'playing to our critics'.
Originally posted by DoN We still await someone to post a bootleg clip of Barney introducing the aforementioned song at a live gig to see if this sheds any light on the matter....
I take it you've now seen the Glasto vid, Don?! Courtesy of JT?
Notice Barney says Elegia, not once, but twice during said performance!
Originally posted by Spotnick > Originally posted by DoN> > > > Originally posted by Major Tarantino> I always pronounced it "Over long instrumental with several painful errors"
hehe!
that song with no words from pretty in pink
Hum, Shellshock had lyrics in Pretty in Pink? Don't remember if any part WITH lyrics were actually in the movie...
I remember Duckie on his bike, but other than that... bad memory (well, it's been a looong looong time!)
i watched it the other day, there are no lyrics from shellshock in the movie... i don't think they really get past the intro. though, and it doesn't stick out, elegia is used in the scene just before molly ringwald freeks out on her flake-of-a-boyfriend
and as for saying "elegia," i am with almanso on this one.
Originally posted by clayts It's definitely pronounced EL-ER-GEE-ER - introduced by Barney at WOMAD, July 1986 (just checked the bootleg) :)
That's as I've always said it, not bothered if it's right or wrong mind.
Not surprised the Yanks and Cockneys are struggling with it. Lets face it, when have they EVER got any vowel pronunciations correct 
