Every Little Counts

okay, so i was thinking about the vocal track on this song. i can't figure out if i like them for being true to the moment they were recorded, or if another take (with out the giggles) would've done the song more justice.

from a musical standpoint, this song has the potential to be one of the greatest ballads NO has done. GG's strings after the pause, through to the end, are beautiful. the record-scratch at the end is a good way to mark the end of the album. but on the other end, we have barney's laughing and some plinking-banjo stuff that contradicts the mood.

is this some work of genius, or just some apathetic kids fucking around with thier own song?

Originally posted by Sean Taugher okay, so i was thinking about the vocal track on this song. i can't figure out if i like them for being true to the moment they were recorded, or if another take (with out the giggles) would've done the song more justice. from a musical standpoint, this song has the potential to be one of the greatest ballads NO has done. GG's strings after the pause, through to the end, are beautiful. the record-scratch at the end is a good way to mark the end of the album. but on the other end, we have barney's laughing and some plinking-banjo stuff that contradicts the mood. is this some work of genius, or just some apathetic kids fucking around with thier own song?

:barf: :barf:

Originally posted by Sean Taugher from a musical standpoint, this song has the potential to be one of the greatest ballads NO has done. is this some work of genius, or just some apathetic kids fucking around with thier own song?

How do you pronounce your surname ? Couldn't be "tosser" could it ?

close. sorry, i am just trying to stir up some conversation.

Every Little Cunts was the biggest pile of shit they have ever recorded. Perverse northern humour?. Newe Order don't do ballads, they're not Wet Wet Wet

what's vicious streak, if it isn't a ballad?

Every Little Counts,Ultraviolence,Chemical and Chosen Time .These are the worst songs they had written in my opinion.I just can't listen to them and I am not deaf

Originally posted by Sean Taugher what's vicious streak, if it isn't a ballad?

That was originally called Vicious Steak written about the time Hooky lost a tooth tucking into a tough piece of beef.

Or Run Wild.......

I just hate New Order ballads

even "Thieves Like Us"?

Originally posted by Sean Taugher even "Thieves Like Us"?

Well the vocal version is bareable but the instrumental is superior IMO

so, in your opinion, why is 'every little counts' such a pile of crap?

When i first got "Brotherhood" i played it at least everyday. One time my sister and i were listening to it when my dad was home, when he heard the scratching at the end of "Every Little Counts" he ran into the living room screaming "What have you done to my record player". We explained to him it was the song and nothing to do with his precious Bang & Olufsen (or however you spell it), still he made me play the end of the song while watching the stylus, just to make sure, while me and my sister were dying of laughter. For that reason "Every Little Counts" is one of my favourite New Order songs.

Originally posted by Sean Taugher so, in your opinion, why is 'every little counts' such a pile of crap?

Where is the link between Thieves and Every Little Counts? The music of Thieves is infinately better. The lyrics spoil it but it's still great musically. I was transfixed when they debut it at the Hacienda. It is leaps and bounds above Every Little counts musically and even lyrically.

i wasn't linking the two. i figured, while we are on the subject of giving opinions, i'd ask you as to why you think 'every little counts' is a pile of shit.

Originally posted by Martin Davies When i first got "Brotherhood" i played it at least everyday. One time my sister and i were listening to it when my dad was home, when he heard the scratching at the end of "Every Little Counts" he ran into the living room screaming "What have you done to my record player". We explained to him it was the song and nothing to do with his precious Bang & Olufsen (or however you spell it), still he made me play the end of the song while watching the stylus, just to make sure, while me and my sister were dying of laughter. For that reason "Every Little Counts" is one of my favourite New Order songs.

it made me flip-out for a second, too. then i remembered "i bought this on CD"

always makes me smile :)

Barney's humor is fine on stage, but if I wanted novelty songs I'd buy the Wiggles

i like the song personally. it adds a bit of humour to the album. and as for the "scratch" and the end of the track ,how many other bands ever did anything like this in the 80"s? the person who described the track as crap obviously doesnt know what they are on about! steve smith,uk :)

Originally posted by steve smith the person who described the track as crap obviously doesnt know what they are on about! steve smith,uk :)

'I think You Are A Pig, You Should Be In A Zoo' Fuckin Genious? Nah. I know what I like and what I think is a pile of shit

Originally posted by steve smith i like the song personally.it adds a bit of humour to the album.and as for the "scratch" and the end of the track ,how many other bands ever did anything like this in the 80"s?the person who described the track as crap obviously doesnt know what they are on about!steve smith,uk:)

Obviously.

I think Equatronic's cover is infinitely better. There are no giggles, the synth bassline makes the song sound more interesting, and the music (about halfway through) is superior to New Order's. And for some reason, the lyrics sound less stupid when sung by a female. And, it doesn't have the cut into another song, followed by a huge scratch that turn this song into noise. Not a fan of the original, but hats off to Equatronic for making it listenable to me. Other than this, I don't much care for Run Wild or Liar. I even prefer Vietnam, Shellshock, Shame Of The Nation and Rock The Shack to this.

Originally posted by Al Jarvis It's better than All Day Long and Angel Dust!

huh?

Al,

Stop drinking so much

Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart Every Little Counts,Ultraviolence,Chemical and Chosen Time .These are the worst songs they had written in my opinion.I just can't listen to them and I am not deaf

Ultraviolence? Ultaviolence???

Al

Who's the other guy who appears with his girlfriend on 511 DVD ?

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart AlWho's the other guy who appears with his girlfriend on 511 DVD ?

John Salisbury, veteran of 90'ish gigs.

I know Jon.I didn't know that it was him. He's a great Joy Division fan too. Thanks for information.

Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart AlWho's the other guy who appears with his girlfriend on 511 DVD ?

The penny's dropped. It's Al on the 516 DVD! U look so different in your winter guise (Avatar)

back on subject:

if you think about the way the song was recorded (drums first, maybe keys next, than bass, and then vocals last), you can hear the levels of seriousness. this is where the 'genius' comes in. then tac on the atonal keys, then the scratch, and you've got some pretty bizzare stuff for a band in the mid 80's.

I love "Every Little Counts". Great closer.

Every Little Counts is genius.. if not for the music. the closing and the off key singing are right. This doesn't make it a novelty.. it isn't necessary a one time joke. It is a joyful mood that you can smile along with them everytime.

Your Silent Face is pretty ballad-y

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart

I know Jon.I didn't know that it was him. He's a great Joy Division fan too. Thanks for information.

Er, how on earth do you know John?

We did some Joy Division's stuff trades and he sent me the english 24 hpp dvd too. About Every Little Counts,some friends of mine tought their records were scratched after listening to it.It was so funny when I told them that it was part of the song.Some still didn't believe in me Did it also happen to you?

only for a second, and then remembered that i bought it on CD

and yeah, "your silent face" is kinda ballad-ish

Originally posted by Sean Taugher only for a second, and then remembered that i bought it on CD

You are a kid.Quite normal

not too much younger than you...

Originally posted by Sean Taugher only for a second, and then remembered that i bought it on CD

Its a shame that they didn't record different endings for different types of media. My first copy of Brotherhood was the cassette version and the first time I listened to it was in the car. Hence, the scratching didn't fool me even a bit. Now I feel a little cheated - its not like I can go back and re-live the moment.

Maybe someone with more musical knowledge can comment on how original this ending was. By the time I heard it I had already heard, for example, The Smiths - Asleep which ends with a sample from a movie(?) that sounds like a record skipping (but not scratching).

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart Al,Stop drinking so much

What?! All Day Long and Angel Dust are both sh&te! :D

I'm with Al on this. All Day Long sounds like that bloody Xmas song from Greg Lake, and Angel Dust is pretentious garbage. You can get away with things like 'So why don't you...' if it's a great song, but 'Every Little Counts' just makes me cringe; pretend scratches at the end of the album; do me a favour! I prefer the 'You can turn it off now' at the end of Monaco's MFP; nearly jumped out me skin the first time I heard it.

I love "Every Little Counts". But isn't the music supposed to be a rip off of Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side"?

Originally posted by francois-marc loze I love "Every Little Counts". But isn't the music supposed to be a rip off of Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side"?

They did a verse from Walk on the Wild Side mid-ELC at Pittsburgh 87. Doubt the septics saw the joke.

strange song...how many live outings tim ???

my clearest memory is mid-set malvern i think...good time to re-charge the batts

Originally posted by mc4156 > Originally posted by Sean Taugher> Maybe someone with more musical knowledge can comment on how original this ending was. By the time I heard it I had already heard, for example, The Smiths - Asleep which ends with a sample from a movie(?) that sounds like a record skipping (but not scratching).

It ends with Auld Lang Syne, I do believe.

Originally posted by PAUL TROWELL strange song...how many live outings tim ???my clearest memory is mid-set malvern i think...good time to re-charge the batts

Too many !

But what record was being scratched when they created the sound effect for the album? One of their own?

Andy.

i've wondered that myself but i dunno if there is anyway to find out. i've also wondered what was so funny that caused all the giggling.

It's definitely a play on Lou Reed's, "Walk on the Wild Side," and I've loved it ever since I first heard it. The only bummer in it to me is that after the brief pause, an absolutely gorgeous keyboard/synth motif starts, and then inexplicably they get rid of it after a few moments to lead to that crashing, rather ugly finale. Still I love the tune, and who hate's the humor, does that mean you hate the lyrical finale to "Your Silent Face" too. Isn't this part of New Order's personality? Never taking cr@p too seriously?

Oh well. Whatever. I like the tune, it's not my favorite, but its a nice song and I certainly enjoy it, it's one of the few songs off of Brotherhood I actually enjoy, but whatever floats your boat. We can't all like the same thing, but we can all hate, "We All Stand".

Originally posted by Sean Taugher i've wondered that myself but i dunno if there is anyway to find out. i've also wondered what was so funny that caused all the giggling.

He obviously couldn't keep a straight face while singing those shite lyrics. If he had sung those words with all sincerity, I think I'd throw the disc against the wall. The laughing is the highlight of the song for me.

i like every little counts cause it has cute lyrics. and i love the giggles. makes me laugh everytimei hear it. not a bad song nor a great song, but i wouldnt suggest this as a song to get to a new new order fan.

yeah, he's definately laughing at the lyrics. I've got an old issue of Q somewhere, with Barney being interviewed in the Q&A section at the front. The best question was "Is 'touched by the hand of God' about whacking off?" and Barney has to ak what whacking off is.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by Sean Taugher> i've wondered that myself but i dunno if there is anyway to find out. i've also wondered what was so funny that caused all the giggling.>

He obviously couldn't keep a straight face while singing those shite lyrics. If he had sung those words with all sincerity, I think I'd throw the disc against the wall. The laughing is the highlight of the song for me.

someone speculated that it was the fact he couldn't stay in key that made him laugh. that plus the lyrics... yeah, you have a point. if he actually did sing the line well, the mood of the tune would be ruined.