So, What do you think Materazzi said to Zidane?

Did he just call him a bald twat or did he insult his Mother ??

Called him a murdering Algerian terrorist, apparently!

Dave Legge wrote: Did he just call him a bald twat or did he insult his Mother ??

alright dave. stick an arab algerian before the bald twat bit, and you might be close

Some news reporter suggested he may have called him a terrorist.Prob more lilkey something racist or about his Mother

ask him. materazzi refused to answer questions afterwards-maybe- this is an admission of guilt by the italian. maybe his gonna text zizou like ronaldo said that will do to rooney... for real???

I assumed it was something racist. That's about the only thing I would think would make a player do something like that in a World Cup final, with the outcome very much in doubt. Calling him a bald twat with a fat whore for a mother probably wouldn't do it, IMO.

"Brazilian expert lip readers" :D said that he insulted Zidane's sister calling her, ehr... prostitute...twice...

the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result after all. zidane walks away and the italian continue to talk.

Whatever it was; personal, political or even racist, ZZ should have risen above it. Violence (the headbutt) is worse than any insulting words. It's all part of the game. A witty retort or waving around your winners medal at the end is the best response.

Hiya, Kersh

Yeah, no doubt ZZ made a big mistake. Returning words with violence is never good, especially in a World Cup final! Not that he has to worry about it anymore, but that would incite other players to shout insults at him to try and draw a red card in the future.

georgo konstantinidis wrote: ask him. materazzi refused to answer questions afterwards-maybe- this is an admission of guilt by the italian. maybe his gonna text zizou like ronaldo said that will do to rooney... for real???

Why should Materazzi say something? It was a little bit Trash-Talk. We all know that. It was very stupid from Zidane.

I bet Zidanning is all the rage with the school bullies.

The next generation of SummerPops security guards will have concave chests

It's a shame ZZ couldn't have told him

"You. Me. Outside. After the match sunshine"

One Brain wrote:

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According to the lip-readers, Materazzi also finished this cordial conversation with "va fanculo" (the only words I know in Italian, by the way).

I don't speak Italian, but I think I can figure that out.

On the news tonight a journalist from L'Equipe said that Zidanes mother had been called a whore. Something he would normally ignore but she has been ill for a while and had been taken to hospital that day.

James Thomas wrote: On the news tonight a journalist from L'Equipe said that Zidanes mother had been called a whore. Something he would normally ignore but she has been ill for a while and had been taken to hospital that day.

That's extremely bad timing then... Too bad that Zizou didn't kill him...

confusion wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: ask him. materazzi refused to answer questions afterwards-maybe- this is an admission of guilt by the italian. maybe his gonna text zizou like ronaldo said that will do to rooney... for real???

Why should Materazzi say something? It was a little bit Trash-Talk. We all know that. It was very stupid from Zidane.

the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result to have a "little bit trash-talk" with zz? how can you be sure that was a little bit? do you know how does it feel an algerian when you call him (if it is real) terrorist? nobody says that zz reaction was correct. actually is a really bad example for new fans- but he show us that gods are gods and players are humans. when you are zizou and you are walking away after a little bit trash talk you are expecting from the others to stop.

Spotnick wrote:

confusion wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: ask him. materazzi refused to answer questions afterwards-maybe- this is an admission of guilt by the italian. maybe his gonna text zizou like ronaldo said that will do to rooney... for real???

Why should Materazzi say something? It was a little bit Trash-Talk. We all know that. It was very stupid from Zidane.

You must also admire the way he fells.. I don't think anybody's head is strong enough to make somebody fall from behind...

argee! italians are the greatest teachers in acting-provoking-cheating degree

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

Spotnick wrote:

confusion wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: ask him. materazzi refused to answer questions afterwards-maybe- this is an admission of guilt by the italian. maybe his gonna text zizou like ronaldo said that will do to rooney... for real???

Why should Materazzi say something? It was a little bit Trash-Talk. We all know that. It was very stupid from Zidane.

You must also admire the way he fells.. I don't think anybody's head is strong enough to make somebody fall from behind...

argee! italians are the greatest teachers in acting-provoking-cheating degree

Don't forget the Portugese!!

• THE SUN: Zinedine Zidane's headbutt in the World Cup came after he was called ``the son of a terrorist whore', it was claimed last night.

georgo konstantinidis wrote: the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result to have a "little bit trash-talk" with zz? .

So you're saying Materazzi shouldn't talk to ZZ because he's such a super star ??

What shite. Maybe he shouldn't be allowed to takle him either, in case ZZ gets his socks muddy :\ohwell:

It's part of the game. Materazzi won the battle by getting ZZ to react and then he won the war too by picking up a winners medal.

Like I say, it's part of the game. Of all games. It happens in cricket for gods sake, supposedly the sport of gentlemen.

Ian Botham comes to the wicket and is welcomed by Aussie bowler, Rod Marsh with the immortal words: “So, Ian how’s your wife and my kids?"

Did Botham smack him round the head with his bat ?? No, he smacked his bowling around and made 100.

A witty repost shuts the other guy up just as well...

Aussie bowler, Glenn McGrath says to Zimbabwean Eddo Brandes, “Hey Eddo, why are you so F*ckng Fat?” And Brandes replied, “Because everytime I F*ck your mother, she gives me a biscuit” Having the rest of his own team laughing at him rather put McGrath off his line and length.

Shellshocker wrote: • THE SUN: Zinedine Zidane's headbutt in the World Cup came after he was called ``the son of a terrorist whore', it was claimed last night.

what a great behavior from a player that will carry the latest world a cup for the next four years. i'm waiting from fifa some fucking action

I accept that most on this thread will have to google to find out WTF Cricket is

And that's me laughing at myself, by the way

Dave Legge wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result to have a "little bit trash-talk" with zz? .

So you're saying Materazzi shouldn't talk to ZZ because he's such a super star ??

What shite. Maybe he shouldn't be allowed to takle him either, in case ZZ gets his socks muddy :\ohwell:

It's part of the game. Materazzi won the battle by getting ZZ to react and then he won the war too by picking up a winners medal.

Like I say, it's part of the game. Of all games. It happens in cricket for gods sake, supposedly the sport of gentlemen.

Ian Botham comes to the wicket and is welcomed by Aussie bowler, Rod Marsh with the immortal words: “So, Ian how’s your wife and my kids?"

Did Botham smack him round the head with his bat ?? No, he smacked his bowling around and made 100.

A witty repost shuts the other guy up just as well...

Aussie bowler, Glenn McGrath says to Zimbabwean Eddo Brandes, “Hey Eddo, why are you so F*ckng Fat?” And Brandes replied, “Because everytime I F*ck your mother, she gives me a biscuit” Having the rest of his own team laughing at him rather put McGrath off his line and length.

I guess the wittiest repartee Zizu could think of was a head butt.

Dave Legge wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result to have a "little bit trash-talk" with zz? .

So you're saying Materazzi shouldn't talk to ZZ because he's such a super star ??

What shite. Maybe he shouldn't be allowed to takle him either, in case ZZ gets his socks muddy :\ohwell:

It's part of the game. Materazzi won the battle by getting ZZ to react and then he won the war too by picking up a winners medal.

Like I say, it's part of the game. Of all games. It happens in cricket for gods sake, supposedly the sport of gentlemen.

Ian Botham comes to the wicket and is welcomed by Aussie bowler, Rod Marsh with the immortal words: “So, Ian how’s your wife and my kids?"

Did Botham smack him round the head with his bat ?? No, he smacked his bowling around and made 100.

A witty repost shuts the other guy up just as well...

Aussie bowler, Glenn McGrath says to Zimbabwean Eddo Brandes, “Hey Eddo, why are you so F*ckng Fat?” And Brandes replied, “Because everytime I F*ck your mother, she gives me a biscuit” Having the rest of his own team laughing at him rather put McGrath off his line and length.

what shite? WHAT SHITE? after what happened in USA-London-Madrid you saw a player of an internation squad in the final of the world cup calling someone "son of a terrorist whore". Earlier their talks were (according to news) something like - materazzi after twisting Zidane’s nipple, italian asked him: “What, don’t you like it?” The French captain replied: “A bit too hard to turn me on.Plus some “Viffanculos” -. All previous are really close to yours examples for cricket etc. but terrorist????

is materazzi working for cia or fbi and knows the way to recognise terrorists? for fuck shake he'll carry the cup for the next 4 years

Shellshocker wrote:

Dave Legge wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result to have a "little bit trash-talk" with zz? .

So you're saying Materazzi shouldn't talk to ZZ because he's such a super star ??

What shite. Maybe he shouldn't be allowed to takle him either, in case ZZ gets his socks muddy :\ohwell:

It's part of the game. Materazzi won the battle by getting ZZ to react and then he won the war too by picking up a winners medal.

Like I say, it's part of the game. Of all games. It happens in cricket for gods sake, supposedly the sport of gentlemen.

Ian Botham comes to the wicket and is welcomed by Aussie bowler, Rod Marsh with the immortal words: “So, Ian how’s your wife and my kids?"

Did Botham smack him round the head with his bat ?? No, he smacked his bowling around and made 100.

A witty repost shuts the other guy up just as well...

Aussie bowler, Glenn McGrath says to Zimbabwean Eddo Brandes, “Hey Eddo, why are you so F*ckng Fat?” And Brandes replied, “Because everytime I F*ck your mother, she gives me a biscuit” Having the rest of his own team laughing at him rather put McGrath off his line and length.

I guess the wittiest repartee Zizu could think of was a head butt.

ok call an algerian a terrorist or his mother and see how does he feel

Dave Legge wrote: I accept that most on this thread will have to google to find out WTF Cricket is

actually i'm searching how many nations are taking part in a cricket world cup and how many cricket players are members of unicef or something

The Paris-based anti-racism advocacy group SOS-Racism issued a statement Monday quoting "several very well informed sources from the world of football" as saying Materazzi called Zidane a "dirty terrorist." It demanded that FIFA investigate and take any appropriate action.

FIFA, which reviews all red cards at the World Cup, would not comment on the specifics.

georgo konstantinidis wrote: what shite? WHAT SHITE? after what happened in USA-London-Madrid you saw a player of an internation squad in the final of the world cup calling someone "son of a terrorist whore". Earlier their talks were (according to news) something like - materazzi after twisting Zidane’s nipple, italian asked him: “What, don’t you like it?” The French captain replied: “A bit too hard to turn me on.Plus some “Viffanculos” -. All previous are really close to yours examples for cricket etc. but terrorist????

is materazzi working for cia or fbi and knows the way to recognise terrorists? for fuck shake he'll carry the cup for the next 4 years

I have to agree with DL here. Though what Materazzi did was underhanded and despicable it is, unfortunately, part of the game. ZZ did exactly what Materazzi wanted him to! ZZ should have risen above it. Lots of players get racist taunts, but they don't all go headbutting opponents (yes, a bit of a dive by Materazzi, I imagine). Perhaps a second ref would make nonsense like Materazzi's easier to catch and punish.

Shellshocker wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: what shite? WHAT SHITE? after what happened in USA-London-Madrid you saw a player of an internation squad in the final of the world cup calling someone "son of a terrorist whore". Earlier their talks were (according to news) something like - materazzi after twisting Zidane’s nipple, italian asked him: “What, don’t you like it?” The French captain replied: “A bit too hard to turn me on.Plus some “Viffanculos” -. All previous are really close to yours examples for cricket etc. but terrorist????

is materazzi working for cia or fbi and knows the way to recognise terrorists? for fuck shake he'll carry the cup for the next 4 years

I have to agree with DL here. Though what Materazzi did was underhanded and despicable it is, unfortunately, part of the game. ZZ did exactly what Materazzi wanted him to! ZZ should have risen above it. Lots of players get racist taunts, but they don't all go headbutting opponents (yes, a bit of a dive by Materazzi, I imagine). Perhaps a second ref would make nonsense like Materazzi's easier to catch and punish.

part of the game? of a cricket game? of a soccer everysaturday game? of a game for the world cup final? of a game that more than a billion people watch? to an everyday player? to the best european player for some years? to an algerian? to a member of unicef? after what happened in us-london-madrid?

Dave Legge wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result to have a "little bit trash-talk" with zz? .

Aussie bowler, Glenn McGrath says to Zimbabwean Eddo Brandes, “Hey Eddo, why are you so F*ckng Fat?” And Brandes replied, “Because everytime I F*ck your mother, she gives me a biscuit” Having the rest of his own team laughing at him rather put McGrath off his line and length.

Sorry to bung an edit in here, but Brandes actually said "wife" rather than "mother". This was a week after McGrath's wife had been diagnosed with breast cancer. I'd have nutted him if it had been me.

oldmonkey wrote:

Dave Legge wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result to have a "little bit trash-talk" with zz? .

Aussie bowler, Glenn McGrath says to Zimbabwean Eddo Brandes, “Hey Eddo, why are you so F*ckng Fat?” And Brandes replied, “Because everytime I F*ck your mother, she gives me a biscuit” Having the rest of his own team laughing at him rather put McGrath off his line and length.

Sorry to bung an edit in here, but Brandes actually said "wife" rather than "mother". This was a week after McGrath's wife had been diagnosed with breast cancer. I'd have nutted him if it had been me.

check this also:Alex Hayes, London correspondent for French sports newspaper L’Equipe, said: “On that day, with his mother being unwell, it wasn’t a clever thing, or the right thing to say.”

(taken from thesun.co.uk)

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

Shellshocker wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: what shite? WHAT SHITE? after what happened in USA-London-Madrid you saw a player of an internation squad in the final of the world cup calling someone "son of a terrorist whore". Earlier their talks were (according to news) something like - materazzi after twisting Zidane’s nipple, italian asked him: “What, don’t you like it?” The French captain replied: “A bit too hard to turn me on.Plus some “Viffanculos” -. All previous are really close to yours examples for cricket etc. but terrorist????

is materazzi working for cia or fbi and knows the way to recognise terrorists? for fuck shake he'll carry the cup for the next 4 years

I have to agree with DL here. Though what Materazzi did was underhanded and despicable it is, unfortunately, part of the game. ZZ did exactly what Materazzi wanted him to! ZZ should have risen above it. Lots of players get racist taunts, but they don't all go headbutting opponents (yes, a bit of a dive by Materazzi, I imagine). Perhaps a second ref would make nonsense like Materazzi's easier to catch and punish.

part of the game? of a cricket game? of a soccer everysaturday game? of a game for the world cup final? of a game that more than a billion people watch? to an everyday player? to the best european player for some years? to an algerian? to a member of unicef? after what happened in us-london-madrid?

I didn't say Materazzi should get a Nobel Peace Award. I did say it was despicable. However, it was also apparently a smart thing. He tricked Zizzu into getting ejected. Nobody ever said life or football was fair.

By the way, I think that maybe part of the reason Materazzi did say whatever he said is because he's aware of ZZ's past history, and that he was liable to get himself ejected. He has done so several times before. He's been sent off 14 times in his career, including one previous headbutt for club and also for stomping on a Saudi Arabian player in the 1998 World Cup.

Shellshocker wrote: By the way, I think that maybe part of the reason Materazzi did say whatever he said is because he's aware of ZZ's past history, and that he was liable to get himself ejected. He has done so several times before. He's been sent off 14 times in his career, including one previous headbutt for club and also for stomping on a Saudi Arabian player in the 1998 World Cup.

agree to that. we all know taht italians are the best teachers in acting and provoking degree

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

Shellshocker wrote: By the way, I think that maybe part of the reason Materazzi did say whatever he said is because he's aware of ZZ's past history, and that he was liable to get himself ejected. He has done so several times before. He's been sent off 14 times in his career, including one previous headbutt for club and also for stomping on a Saudi Arabian player in the 1998 World Cup.

agree to that. we all know taht italians are the best teachers in acting and provoking degree

Apparently. It's a shame that sort of thing wins World Cups.

Shellshocker wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

Shellshocker wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: what shite? WHAT SHITE? after what happened in USA-London-Madrid you saw a player of an internation squad in the final of the world cup calling someone "son of a terrorist whore". Earlier their talks were (according to news) something like - materazzi after twisting Zidane’s nipple, italian asked him: “What, don’t you like it?” The French captain replied: “A bit too hard to turn me on.Plus some “Viffanculos” -. All previous are really close to yours examples for cricket etc. but terrorist????

is materazzi working for cia or fbi and knows the way to recognise terrorists? for fuck shake he'll carry the cup for the next 4 years

I have to agree with DL here. Though what Materazzi did was underhanded and despicable it is, unfortunately, part of the game. ZZ did exactly what Materazzi wanted him to! ZZ should have risen above it. Lots of players get racist taunts, but they don't all go headbutting opponents (yes, a bit of a dive by Materazzi, I imagine). Perhaps a second ref would make nonsense like Materazzi's easier to catch and punish.

part of the game? of a cricket game? of a soccer everysaturday game? of a game for the world cup final? of a game that more than a billion people watch? to an everyday player? to the best european player for some years? to an algerian? to a member of unicef? after what happened in us-london-madrid?

I didn't say Materazzi should get a Nobel Peace Award. I did say it was despicable. However, it was also apparently a smart thing. He tricked Zizzu into getting ejected. Nobody ever said life or football was fair.

you also said its part of the game. zizou also can't win an oscar cause his reaction is not an example for young fans. life and soccer are not fair for sure but infront of over a billion of people? where is fifa? italians are trying to clean up their league and there is a player that he can do whatever he likes outside their borders.my country banned from uefa (and i'm really happy for that)until the day that we have a new athletic law. i'm still thinking of materazzi's mother. what kind of behavior she teached him when he was a kid?

georgo konstantinidis wrote: you also said its part of the game. zizou also can't win an oscar cause his reaction is not an example for young fans. life and soccer are not fair for sure but infront of over a billion of people? where is fifa? italians are trying to clean up their league and there is a player that he can do whatever he likes outside their borders.my country banned from uefa (and i'm really happy for that)until the day that we have a new athletic law. i'm still thinking of materazzi's mother. what kind of behavior she teached him when he was a kid?

Probably Materazzi's mates rather than his mum are to blame for that behavior.

Shellshocker wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: you also said its part of the game. zizou also can't win an oscar cause his reaction is not an example for young fans. life and soccer are not fair for sure but infront of over a billion of people? where is fifa? italians are trying to clean up their league and there is a player that he can do whatever he likes outside their borders.my country banned from uefa (and i'm really happy for that)until the day that we have a new athletic law. i'm still thinking of materazzi's mother. what kind of behavior she teached him when he was a kid?

Probably Materazzi's mates rather than his mum are to blame for that behavior.

you are right

Quote from Materazzi:

'I certainly did not call him a terrorist: I'm ignorant, I don't even know exactly what an Islamic terrorist is ... I also certainly didn't say anything about Zidane's mother: for me, a mother is sacrosanct.'

He doesn't know what a terrorist is?? How full of shit can this guy be?

Shellshocker wrote: Quote from Materazzi:

'I certainly did not call him a terrorist: I'm ignorant, I don't even know exactly what an Islamic terrorist is ... I also certainly didn't say anything about Zidane's mother: for me, a mother is sacrosanct.'

He doesn't know what a terrorist is?? How full of shit can this guy be?

this guy and his mates

I heard all he said was 'Eh Zizou, know a good cure for hiccups?'

still waiting Zizou's point of view

Barney Army wrote: I heard all he said was 'Eh Zizou, know a good cure for hiccups?'

so maybe there was not any headbutt. it was just a move because of his hiccups

georgo konstantinidis wrote: you also said its part of the game. zizou also can't win an oscar cause his reaction is not an example for young fans. life and soccer are not fair for sure but infront of over a billion of people? where is fifa? italians are trying to clean up their league and there is a player that he can do whatever he likes outside their borders.my country banned from uefa (and i'm really happy for that)until the day that we have a new athletic law. i'm still thinking of materazzi's mother. what kind of behavior she teached him when he was a kid?

Apparently, his mom died when he was 14. I'm sure he said something nasty, probably racist, but aside from "Va Fanculo!" (Up your ass!), I'm not convinced that even lip-readers can tell what was actually said with absolute accuracy.

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

argee! italians are the greatest teachers in acting-provoking-cheating degree

I hate to break it to you, but that's rather racist on your part.

I guess it's now "Sticks and stones and headbutts".

Plato wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: you also said its part of the game. zizou also can't win an oscar cause his reaction is not an example for young fans. life and soccer are not fair for sure but infront of over a billion of people? where is fifa? italians are trying to clean up their league and there is a player that he can do whatever he likes outside their borders.my country banned from uefa (and i'm really happy for that)until the day that we have a new athletic law. i'm still thinking of materazzi's mother. what kind of behavior she teached him when he was a kid?

Apparently, his mom died when he was 14. I'm sure he said something nasty, probably racist, but aside from "Va Fanculo!" (Up your ass!), I'm not convinced that even lip-readers can tell what was actually said with absolute accuracy.

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

argee! italians are the greatest teachers in acting-provoking-cheating degree

I hate to break it to you, but that's rather racist on your part.

you are right - i apologise for this comment - but i'm living in their neighborhood and i know how they react especially in sports field anyway

Shellshocker wrote: • THE SUN: Zinedine Zidane's headbutt in the World Cup came after he was called ``the son of a terrorist whore', it was claimed last night.

What I said! It was only a little bit "Trash-Talk" and very effective. It was very silly from ZZ. He had say or do nothing in this situation. It would be to think, to foul this italian 5 Minutes later or so.

confusion wrote:

Shellshocker wrote: • THE SUN: Zinedine Zidane's headbutt in the World Cup came after he was called ``the son of a terrorist whore', it was claimed last night.

What I said! It was only a little bit "Trash-Talk" and very effective. It was very silly from ZZ. He had say or do nothing in this situation. It would be to think, to foul this italian 5 Minutes later or so.

little bit?

Anyone who's ever played the game will tell you that the easiest thing for Zidane to do was to just leave a foot in during the next challenge between them. Maybe he knew that by such a big reaction in such a high-profile game, there would be an enquiry and FIFA would find out what had been said, and would be able to do something about it. Hard to see a headbutter as a martyr, but maybe?

oldmonkey wrote: Anyone who's ever played the game will tell you that the easiest thing for Zidane to do was to just leave a foot in during the next challenge between them. Maybe he knew that by such a big reaction in such a high-profile game, there would be an enquiry and FIFA would find out what had been said, and would be able to do something about it. Hard to see a headbutter as a martyr, but maybe?

20:00 CET Canal+ ZZ will explain everything about this event.

Whatever ZZ says, I'm sure Materazzi will adamantly deny it. He said she said, so to speak...

oldmonkey wrote: Anyone who's ever played the game will tell you that the easiest thing for Zidane to do was to just leave a foot in during the next challenge between them. Maybe he knew that by such a big reaction in such a high-profile game, there would be an enquiry and FIFA would find out what had been said, and would be able to do something about it. Hard to see a headbutter as a martyr, but maybe?

I think you're over estimating Zidane's inteligance there, Tim.

The man's a thug...

ZZ Red cards

Sept 1993 v Marseilles. Punched Marcel Desailly.

Aug 1995 v Karlsruhe. Slapped Thorsten Fink in the face.

Oct 1995 v Martigues. Tackle from behind on Frederic Mendy.

Jan 1997 v Parma. Punched Enrico Chiesa.

Jun 1998 v Saudi Arabia. Stamped on Fuad Amin.

Oct 1998 v Inter Milan. Two footed challenge on Paolo Sousa.

Sept 2000 v Deportivo. Two footed challenge on Emerson.

Oct 2000 v SV Hamburg. Headbutts Jochen Kientz.

Feb 2004 v Seville. Thrust hand into face of Pablo Alfaro.

Apr 2005 v Villarreal. Aimed punch at Quigue Alvarez.

Jul 2006 v Italy. Headbutts Marco Materazzi.

3 other Reds for two yellows.

compared to Canto ?

Dave Legge wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Anyone who's ever played the game will tell you that the easiest thing for Zidane to do was to just leave a foot in during the next challenge between them. Maybe he knew that by such a big reaction in such a high-profile game, there would be an enquiry and FIFA would find out what had been said, and would be able to do something about it. Hard to see a headbutter as a martyr, but maybe?

I think you're over estimating Zidane's inteligance there, Tim.

The man's a thug...

ZZ Red cards

Sept 1993 v Marseilles. Punched Marcel Desailly.

Aug 1995 v Karlsruhe. Slapped Thorsten Fink in the face.

Oct 1995 v Martigues. Tackle from behind on Frederic Mendy.

Jan 1997 v Parma. Punched Enrico Chiesa.

Jun 1998 v Saudi Arabia. Stamped on Fuad Amin.

Oct 1998 v Inter Milan. Two footed challenge on Paolo Sousa.

Sept 2000 v Deportivo. Two footed challenge on Emerson.

Oct 2000 v SV Hamburg. Headbutts Jochen Kientz.

Feb 2004 v Seville. Thrust hand into face of Pablo Alfaro.

Apr 2005 v Villarreal. Aimed punch at Quigue Alvarez.

Jul 2006 v Italy. Headbutts Marco Materazzi.

3 other Reds for two yellows.

True, but Materazzi's a thug too. An Italian senator even had said that he shouldn't be on the team due to his overly physical style.

Shellshocker wrote:

True, but Materazzi's a thug too. An Italian seneator even had said that he shouldn't be on the team due to his overly physical style.

Oh, I totally agree. His record at Everton was something like 4 Reds in 20 games. But Reds for bad tackles are one thing. Reds for punching, slapping and stamping are another.

And also, nobody is making out like Materazzi is a Demi-God who should have a red carpet from the centre circle to the opposition's six yard box laid out for him.

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

actually i'm searching how many nations are taking part in a cricket world cup and how many cricket players are members of unicef or something

Try a little Google about what the Cricket world has done for Tsunami Relief and Pakistan Earthquake Relief.

Maybe he said, "Oi baldy doesn't your name score 657 in Scrabble?"

We'll find out in 10 minutes when ZZ tells all.

And then in about 40 minutes Materatzzi will deny it, saying, "fu*k off, I didn't say that you dirty lying son of a terrorist whore"

Jiphy wrote: compared to Canto ?

6 foot 4 or 5 .. into the stands that year. hoo ! . for Zidane he could have destroyed Materazzi instead simply effectively headbutted him. Bad news to go out like that.

Barcaboy99 wrote: Maybe he said, "Oi baldy doesn't your name score 657 in Scrabble?"

The double Z in "Marco Materazzi" probably scores pretty high too.

This four Z's thing about the two scorers (not to mention buttheads) will probably become a sports trivia question in the future.

Dave Legge wrote:

The man's a thug...

ZZ Red cards

Sept 1993 v Marseilles. Punched Marcel Desailly.

Aug 1995 v Karlsruhe. Slapped Thorsten Fink in the face.

Oct 1995 v Martigues. Tackle from behind on Frederic Mendy.

Jan 1997 v Parma. Punched Enrico Chiesa.

Jun 1998 v Saudi Arabia. Stamped on Fuad Amin.

Oct 1998 v Inter Milan. Two footed challenge on Paolo Sousa.

Sept 2000 v Deportivo. Two footed challenge on Emerson.

Oct 2000 v SV Hamburg. Headbutts Jochen Kientz.

Feb 2004 v Seville. Thrust hand into face of Pablo Alfaro.

Apr 2005 v Villarreal. Aimed punch at Quigue Alvarez.

Jul 2006 v Italy. Headbutts Marco Materazzi.

3 other Reds for two yellows.

With a Record like that he could fit well in at Leeds Utd.

Spotnick wrote:

confusion wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: ask him. materazzi refused to answer questions afterwards-maybe- this is an admission of guilt by the italian. maybe his gonna text zizou like ronaldo said that will do to rooney... for real???

Why should Materazzi say something? It was a little bit Trash-Talk. We all know that. It was very stupid from Zidane.

You must also admire the way he fells.. I don't think anybody's head is strong enough to make somebody fall from behind...

It's hard to tell exactly where he gets him; But having once been punched in the solar plex (forgive my spelling) I can tell you that it does knock you down and leaves you seriously winded and unable to breath properly for awhile. I certainly would use it as a self defence move on someone if necssary as I know the result would be powerful.

he'll still be considered one of the greats in years to come. and kids growing up will always hear of him and see his skills. (Hampden v Leverkusen - a classic). this doesn't tarnish him at all in my eyes. He's had 15 red cards anyway in his career.

Matterazi won't even be remembered, despite being in a world cup winning final side.

Since Sunday evening the whole World has been debating what Italian defender Marco Materazzi said to Zinedine Zidane to make the retiring Frenchman react in the way he did. The French captain, in his last ever professional game, thrust his head into Materazzi's chest in Sunday's World Cup Final resulting in a red card and shame for Zidane. Today, with the help of Italian lip-reader Arturo Belladini, we can reveal what drove Zidane to self destruct;

Materazzi was seen to hold Zidane's shirt on the edge of the penalty box in extra-time at which point Zidane said

"if you want my shirt so bad you can have it"

Materazzi responded

"I dont want your shirt you mother f..... you're a f...... old man"

As they jog away Zidane is seen to laugh at this and it is unclear how he responded due to him having his back to the TV camera

Materazzi then hit a volley of abuse

"you should've quit 2 years ago, you're a f...... has-been"

"mother f.....! your mum is a f...... muslim terrorist and you are to, f.... you old man f... you"

"old man, this arena is not for you anymore mother f....."

Zidane carries on jogging away

"you are only good enough for Celtic now" It's at this very point Zidane turned and head-butted him.

Dave Legge wrote:

Ian Botham comes to the wicket and is welcomed by Aussie bowler, Rod Marsh with the immortal words: “So, Ian how’s your wife and my kids?

hey dave. rod marsh was a wickie mate. might have been lillee bowling.

Dave Legge wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

actually i'm searching how many nations are taking part in a cricket world cup and how many cricket players are members of unicef or something

Try a little Google about what the Cricket world has done for Tsunami Relief and Pakistan Earthquake Relief.

that was an obligation for everyone of us - imagine a cricket player to call his opponent (if he was from indonesia) son of a tsunami-victim mother or (if he was from pakistan) a f***ing earthquake-striken son of b****. its so humankind way of playing

The Boy wrote: Since Sunday evening the whole World has been debating what Italian defender Marco Materazzi said to Zinedine Zidane to make the retiring Frenchman react in the way he did. The French captain, in his last ever professional game, thrust his head into Materazzi's chest in Sunday's World Cup Final resulting in a red card and shame for Zidane. Today, with the help of Italian lip-reader Arturo Belladini, we can reveal what drove Zidane to self destruct;

Materazzi was seen to hold Zidane's shirt on the edge of the penalty box in extra-time at which point Zidane said

"if you want my shirt so bad you can have it"

Materazzi responded

"I dont want your shirt you mother f..... you're a f...... old man"

As they jog away Zidane is seen to laugh at this and it is unclear how he responded due to him having his back to the TV camera

Materazzi then hit a volley of abuse

"you should've quit 2 years ago, you're a f...... has-been"

"mother f.....! your mum is a f...... muslim terrorist and you are to, f.... you old man f... you"

"old man, this arena is not for you anymore mother f....."

Zidane carries on jogging away

"you are only good enough for Celtic now" It's at this very point Zidane turned and head-butted him.

Further reason for Celtic embarassment: they lost 4-0 yesterday to DC United of the MLS!!

Good. I'd like to see Materazzi get punished too.

I think it's safe to conclude that Zidane and Materazzi are both assholes.

Off the pitch and in the real world, headbutting someone in the chest would get you charged with assault.

A slur, even a racial one, probably wouldn't get you into any legal trouble unless it's written, or said as a speaker to a public audience, as an employer to an employee, as a public figure to a private citizen, etc.

That's not to say that just because something isn't illegal makes it right, but that's the reality of life.

If everyone just traded barbs instead of punches, the world wouldn't be a great place, but probably a nicer place.

But whutdufuk do I know?

Dave Legge wrote: Whatever it was; personal, political or even racist, ZZ should have risen above it. Violence (the headbutt) is worse than any insulting words. It's all part of the game. A witty retort or waving around your winners medal at the end is the best response.

Hiya, Kersh

By getting himself sent off he presumably did exactly what Materazzi wanted. Surely this kind of provocation is just a sophisticated form of diving?

I don't understand why he ineffectually butted him in the chest though. If the guy said what he's reported to have said (i.e. racist remarks and insulting his mother), and given ZZ was going to get sent off either way, he might as well have been hung for a sheep as a lamb and given him the full Glasweigian kiss and broken his nose. Either rise above it and not give him the satisfaction (the best option) or if you're going to crash and burn make sure the fellow pays a high price for his gamesmanship and leaves the field on a stretcher.

If M said what some have said he said then he's more of a disgrace than ZZ and my opinion of Italy has dropped a few notches.

Plato wrote:

A slur, even a racial one, probably wouldn't get you into any legal trouble unless it's written, or said as a speaker to a public audience, as an employer to an employee, as a public figure to a private citizen, etc.

A racial slur could possibly get you into legal trouble, in this country anyway (incitement to racial hatred, behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace, participating in racist chanting at football matches, etc). More to the point it would probably get you thumped.

Like I wrote, making a racial slur to one person privately is not likely to get you into any legal trouble unless it is as an authority figure.

According to lip-readers, the only thing that Materazzi said that could be construed as racist was 'terrorist' and even that would be difficult to prove as truly being racist.

All this is a joke compared to the racism and even ethnic cleansing that some so-called democracies dismiss as being religious policies.

Making lewd insults about somebody else's mother or sister may be distasteful but not racist. It probably accounts for 90% of basketball trash talk.

A cardiologist is now saying that Zidane's headbutt could have caused a cardiac arrest. I wonder what colour of card you would get for that.

I think Materazzi said "You like Depeche Mode and The Cure" to Zidane.

He would have got the same reaction from me