So, What do you think Materazzi said to Zidane?

Shellshocker wrote:

Dave Legge wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result to have a "little bit trash-talk" with zz? .

So you're saying Materazzi shouldn't talk to ZZ because he's such a super star ??

What shite. Maybe he shouldn't be allowed to takle him either, in case ZZ gets his socks muddy :\ohwell:

It's part of the game. Materazzi won the battle by getting ZZ to react and then he won the war too by picking up a winners medal.

Like I say, it's part of the game. Of all games. It happens in cricket for gods sake, supposedly the sport of gentlemen.

Ian Botham comes to the wicket and is welcomed by Aussie bowler, Rod Marsh with the immortal words: “So, Ian how’s your wife and my kids?"

Did Botham smack him round the head with his bat ?? No, he smacked his bowling around and made 100.

A witty repost shuts the other guy up just as well...

Aussie bowler, Glenn McGrath says to Zimbabwean Eddo Brandes, “Hey Eddo, why are you so F*ckng Fat?” And Brandes replied, “Because everytime I F*ck your mother, she gives me a biscuit” Having the rest of his own team laughing at him rather put McGrath off his line and length.

I guess the wittiest repartee Zizu could think of was a head butt.

ok call an algerian a terrorist or his mother and see how does he feel

Dave Legge wrote: I accept that most on this thread will have to google to find out WTF Cricket is

actually i'm searching how many nations are taking part in a cricket world cup and how many cricket players are members of unicef or something

The Paris-based anti-racism advocacy group SOS-Racism issued a statement Monday quoting "several very well informed sources from the world of football" as saying Materazzi called Zidane a "dirty terrorist." It demanded that FIFA investigate and take any appropriate action.

FIFA, which reviews all red cards at the World Cup, would not comment on the specifics.

georgo konstantinidis wrote: what shite? WHAT SHITE? after what happened in USA-London-Madrid you saw a player of an internation squad in the final of the world cup calling someone "son of a terrorist whore". Earlier their talks were (according to news) something like - materazzi after twisting Zidane’s nipple, italian asked him: “What, don’t you like it?” The French captain replied: “A bit too hard to turn me on.Plus some “Viffanculos” -. All previous are really close to yours examples for cricket etc. but terrorist????

is materazzi working for cia or fbi and knows the way to recognise terrorists? for fuck shake he'll carry the cup for the next 4 years

I have to agree with DL here. Though what Materazzi did was underhanded and despicable it is, unfortunately, part of the game. ZZ did exactly what Materazzi wanted him to! ZZ should have risen above it. Lots of players get racist taunts, but they don't all go headbutting opponents (yes, a bit of a dive by Materazzi, I imagine). Perhaps a second ref would make nonsense like Materazzi's easier to catch and punish.

Shellshocker wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: what shite? WHAT SHITE? after what happened in USA-London-Madrid you saw a player of an internation squad in the final of the world cup calling someone "son of a terrorist whore". Earlier their talks were (according to news) something like - materazzi after twisting Zidane’s nipple, italian asked him: “What, don’t you like it?” The French captain replied: “A bit too hard to turn me on.Plus some “Viffanculos” -. All previous are really close to yours examples for cricket etc. but terrorist????

is materazzi working for cia or fbi and knows the way to recognise terrorists? for fuck shake he'll carry the cup for the next 4 years

I have to agree with DL here. Though what Materazzi did was underhanded and despicable it is, unfortunately, part of the game. ZZ did exactly what Materazzi wanted him to! ZZ should have risen above it. Lots of players get racist taunts, but they don't all go headbutting opponents (yes, a bit of a dive by Materazzi, I imagine). Perhaps a second ref would make nonsense like Materazzi's easier to catch and punish.

part of the game? of a cricket game? of a soccer everysaturday game? of a game for the world cup final? of a game that more than a billion people watch? to an everyday player? to the best european player for some years? to an algerian? to a member of unicef? after what happened in us-london-madrid?

Dave Legge wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result to have a "little bit trash-talk" with zz? .

Aussie bowler, Glenn McGrath says to Zimbabwean Eddo Brandes, “Hey Eddo, why are you so F*ckng Fat?” And Brandes replied, “Because everytime I F*ck your mother, she gives me a biscuit” Having the rest of his own team laughing at him rather put McGrath off his line and length.

Sorry to bung an edit in here, but Brandes actually said "wife" rather than "mother". This was a week after McGrath's wife had been diagnosed with breast cancer. I'd have nutted him if it had been me.

oldmonkey wrote:

Dave Legge wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: the thing is who the f*** was materazzi before the final result to have a "little bit trash-talk" with zz? .

Aussie bowler, Glenn McGrath says to Zimbabwean Eddo Brandes, “Hey Eddo, why are you so F*ckng Fat?” And Brandes replied, “Because everytime I F*ck your mother, she gives me a biscuit” Having the rest of his own team laughing at him rather put McGrath off his line and length.

Sorry to bung an edit in here, but Brandes actually said "wife" rather than "mother". This was a week after McGrath's wife had been diagnosed with breast cancer. I'd have nutted him if it had been me.

check this also:Alex Hayes, London correspondent for French sports newspaper L’Equipe, said: “On that day, with his mother being unwell, it wasn’t a clever thing, or the right thing to say.”

(taken from thesun.co.uk)

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

Shellshocker wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: what shite? WHAT SHITE? after what happened in USA-London-Madrid you saw a player of an internation squad in the final of the world cup calling someone "son of a terrorist whore". Earlier their talks were (according to news) something like - materazzi after twisting Zidane’s nipple, italian asked him: “What, don’t you like it?” The French captain replied: “A bit too hard to turn me on.Plus some “Viffanculos” -. All previous are really close to yours examples for cricket etc. but terrorist????

is materazzi working for cia or fbi and knows the way to recognise terrorists? for fuck shake he'll carry the cup for the next 4 years

I have to agree with DL here. Though what Materazzi did was underhanded and despicable it is, unfortunately, part of the game. ZZ did exactly what Materazzi wanted him to! ZZ should have risen above it. Lots of players get racist taunts, but they don't all go headbutting opponents (yes, a bit of a dive by Materazzi, I imagine). Perhaps a second ref would make nonsense like Materazzi's easier to catch and punish.

part of the game? of a cricket game? of a soccer everysaturday game? of a game for the world cup final? of a game that more than a billion people watch? to an everyday player? to the best european player for some years? to an algerian? to a member of unicef? after what happened in us-london-madrid?

I didn't say Materazzi should get a Nobel Peace Award. I did say it was despicable. However, it was also apparently a smart thing. He tricked Zizzu into getting ejected. Nobody ever said life or football was fair.

By the way, I think that maybe part of the reason Materazzi did say whatever he said is because he's aware of ZZ's past history, and that he was liable to get himself ejected. He has done so several times before. He's been sent off 14 times in his career, including one previous headbutt for club and also for stomping on a Saudi Arabian player in the 1998 World Cup.

Shellshocker wrote: By the way, I think that maybe part of the reason Materazzi did say whatever he said is because he's aware of ZZ's past history, and that he was liable to get himself ejected. He has done so several times before. He's been sent off 14 times in his career, including one previous headbutt for club and also for stomping on a Saudi Arabian player in the 1998 World Cup.

agree to that. we all know taht italians are the best teachers in acting and provoking degree

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

Shellshocker wrote: By the way, I think that maybe part of the reason Materazzi did say whatever he said is because he's aware of ZZ's past history, and that he was liable to get himself ejected. He has done so several times before. He's been sent off 14 times in his career, including one previous headbutt for club and also for stomping on a Saudi Arabian player in the 1998 World Cup.

agree to that. we all know taht italians are the best teachers in acting and provoking degree

Apparently. It's a shame that sort of thing wins World Cups.

Shellshocker wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

Shellshocker wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: what shite? WHAT SHITE? after what happened in USA-London-Madrid you saw a player of an internation squad in the final of the world cup calling someone "son of a terrorist whore". Earlier their talks were (according to news) something like - materazzi after twisting Zidane’s nipple, italian asked him: “What, don’t you like it?” The French captain replied: “A bit too hard to turn me on.Plus some “Viffanculos” -. All previous are really close to yours examples for cricket etc. but terrorist????

is materazzi working for cia or fbi and knows the way to recognise terrorists? for fuck shake he'll carry the cup for the next 4 years

I have to agree with DL here. Though what Materazzi did was underhanded and despicable it is, unfortunately, part of the game. ZZ did exactly what Materazzi wanted him to! ZZ should have risen above it. Lots of players get racist taunts, but they don't all go headbutting opponents (yes, a bit of a dive by Materazzi, I imagine). Perhaps a second ref would make nonsense like Materazzi's easier to catch and punish.

part of the game? of a cricket game? of a soccer everysaturday game? of a game for the world cup final? of a game that more than a billion people watch? to an everyday player? to the best european player for some years? to an algerian? to a member of unicef? after what happened in us-london-madrid?

I didn't say Materazzi should get a Nobel Peace Award. I did say it was despicable. However, it was also apparently a smart thing. He tricked Zizzu into getting ejected. Nobody ever said life or football was fair.

you also said its part of the game. zizou also can't win an oscar cause his reaction is not an example for young fans. life and soccer are not fair for sure but infront of over a billion of people? where is fifa? italians are trying to clean up their league and there is a player that he can do whatever he likes outside their borders.my country banned from uefa (and i'm really happy for that)until the day that we have a new athletic law. i'm still thinking of materazzi's mother. what kind of behavior she teached him when he was a kid?

georgo konstantinidis wrote: you also said its part of the game. zizou also can't win an oscar cause his reaction is not an example for young fans. life and soccer are not fair for sure but infront of over a billion of people? where is fifa? italians are trying to clean up their league and there is a player that he can do whatever he likes outside their borders.my country banned from uefa (and i'm really happy for that)until the day that we have a new athletic law. i'm still thinking of materazzi's mother. what kind of behavior she teached him when he was a kid?

Probably Materazzi's mates rather than his mum are to blame for that behavior.

Shellshocker wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: you also said its part of the game. zizou also can't win an oscar cause his reaction is not an example for young fans. life and soccer are not fair for sure but infront of over a billion of people? where is fifa? italians are trying to clean up their league and there is a player that he can do whatever he likes outside their borders.my country banned from uefa (and i'm really happy for that)until the day that we have a new athletic law. i'm still thinking of materazzi's mother. what kind of behavior she teached him when he was a kid?

Probably Materazzi's mates rather than his mum are to blame for that behavior.

you are right

Quote from Materazzi:

'I certainly did not call him a terrorist: I'm ignorant, I don't even know exactly what an Islamic terrorist is ... I also certainly didn't say anything about Zidane's mother: for me, a mother is sacrosanct.'

He doesn't know what a terrorist is?? How full of shit can this guy be?

Shellshocker wrote: Quote from Materazzi:

'I certainly did not call him a terrorist: I'm ignorant, I don't even know exactly what an Islamic terrorist is ... I also certainly didn't say anything about Zidane's mother: for me, a mother is sacrosanct.'

He doesn't know what a terrorist is?? How full of shit can this guy be?

this guy and his mates

I heard all he said was 'Eh Zizou, know a good cure for hiccups?'

still waiting Zizou's point of view

Barney Army wrote: I heard all he said was 'Eh Zizou, know a good cure for hiccups?'

so maybe there was not any headbutt. it was just a move because of his hiccups

georgo konstantinidis wrote: you also said its part of the game. zizou also can't win an oscar cause his reaction is not an example for young fans. life and soccer are not fair for sure but infront of over a billion of people? where is fifa? italians are trying to clean up their league and there is a player that he can do whatever he likes outside their borders.my country banned from uefa (and i'm really happy for that)until the day that we have a new athletic law. i'm still thinking of materazzi's mother. what kind of behavior she teached him when he was a kid?

Apparently, his mom died when he was 14. I'm sure he said something nasty, probably racist, but aside from "Va Fanculo!" (Up your ass!), I'm not convinced that even lip-readers can tell what was actually said with absolute accuracy.

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

argee! italians are the greatest teachers in acting-provoking-cheating degree

I hate to break it to you, but that's rather racist on your part.

I guess it's now "Sticks and stones and headbutts".

Plato wrote:

georgo konstantinidis wrote: you also said its part of the game. zizou also can't win an oscar cause his reaction is not an example for young fans. life and soccer are not fair for sure but infront of over a billion of people? where is fifa? italians are trying to clean up their league and there is a player that he can do whatever he likes outside their borders.my country banned from uefa (and i'm really happy for that)until the day that we have a new athletic law. i'm still thinking of materazzi's mother. what kind of behavior she teached him when he was a kid?

Apparently, his mom died when he was 14. I'm sure he said something nasty, probably racist, but aside from "Va Fanculo!" (Up your ass!), I'm not convinced that even lip-readers can tell what was actually said with absolute accuracy.

georgo konstantinidis wrote:

argee! italians are the greatest teachers in acting-provoking-cheating degree

I hate to break it to you, but that's rather racist on your part.

you are right - i apologise for this comment - but i'm living in their neighborhood and i know how they react especially in sports field anyway

Shellshocker wrote: • THE SUN: Zinedine Zidane's headbutt in the World Cup came after he was called ``the son of a terrorist whore', it was claimed last night.

What I said! It was only a little bit "Trash-Talk" and very effective. It was very silly from ZZ. He had say or do nothing in this situation. It would be to think, to foul this italian 5 Minutes later or so.

confusion wrote:

Shellshocker wrote: • THE SUN: Zinedine Zidane's headbutt in the World Cup came after he was called ``the son of a terrorist whore', it was claimed last night.

What I said! It was only a little bit "Trash-Talk" and very effective. It was very silly from ZZ. He had say or do nothing in this situation. It would be to think, to foul this italian 5 Minutes later or so.

little bit?

Anyone who's ever played the game will tell you that the easiest thing for Zidane to do was to just leave a foot in during the next challenge between them. Maybe he knew that by such a big reaction in such a high-profile game, there would be an enquiry and FIFA would find out what had been said, and would be able to do something about it. Hard to see a headbutter as a martyr, but maybe?

oldmonkey wrote: Anyone who's ever played the game will tell you that the easiest thing for Zidane to do was to just leave a foot in during the next challenge between them. Maybe he knew that by such a big reaction in such a high-profile game, there would be an enquiry and FIFA would find out what had been said, and would be able to do something about it. Hard to see a headbutter as a martyr, but maybe?

20:00 CET Canal+ ZZ will explain everything about this event.

Whatever ZZ says, I'm sure Materazzi will adamantly deny it. He said she said, so to speak...

oldmonkey wrote: Anyone who's ever played the game will tell you that the easiest thing for Zidane to do was to just leave a foot in during the next challenge between them. Maybe he knew that by such a big reaction in such a high-profile game, there would be an enquiry and FIFA would find out what had been said, and would be able to do something about it. Hard to see a headbutter as a martyr, but maybe?

I think you're over estimating Zidane's inteligance there, Tim.

The man's a thug...

ZZ Red cards

Sept 1993 v Marseilles. Punched Marcel Desailly.

Aug 1995 v Karlsruhe. Slapped Thorsten Fink in the face.

Oct 1995 v Martigues. Tackle from behind on Frederic Mendy.

Jan 1997 v Parma. Punched Enrico Chiesa.

Jun 1998 v Saudi Arabia. Stamped on Fuad Amin.

Oct 1998 v Inter Milan. Two footed challenge on Paolo Sousa.

Sept 2000 v Deportivo. Two footed challenge on Emerson.

Oct 2000 v SV Hamburg. Headbutts Jochen Kientz.

Feb 2004 v Seville. Thrust hand into face of Pablo Alfaro.

Apr 2005 v Villarreal. Aimed punch at Quigue Alvarez.

Jul 2006 v Italy. Headbutts Marco Materazzi.

3 other Reds for two yellows.

compared to Canto ?

Dave Legge wrote:

oldmonkey wrote: Anyone who's ever played the game will tell you that the easiest thing for Zidane to do was to just leave a foot in during the next challenge between them. Maybe he knew that by such a big reaction in such a high-profile game, there would be an enquiry and FIFA would find out what had been said, and would be able to do something about it. Hard to see a headbutter as a martyr, but maybe?

I think you're over estimating Zidane's inteligance there, Tim.

The man's a thug...

ZZ Red cards

Sept 1993 v Marseilles. Punched Marcel Desailly.

Aug 1995 v Karlsruhe. Slapped Thorsten Fink in the face.

Oct 1995 v Martigues. Tackle from behind on Frederic Mendy.

Jan 1997 v Parma. Punched Enrico Chiesa.

Jun 1998 v Saudi Arabia. Stamped on Fuad Amin.

Oct 1998 v Inter Milan. Two footed challenge on Paolo Sousa.

Sept 2000 v Deportivo. Two footed challenge on Emerson.

Oct 2000 v SV Hamburg. Headbutts Jochen Kientz.

Feb 2004 v Seville. Thrust hand into face of Pablo Alfaro.

Apr 2005 v Villarreal. Aimed punch at Quigue Alvarez.

Jul 2006 v Italy. Headbutts Marco Materazzi.

3 other Reds for two yellows.

True, but Materazzi's a thug too. An Italian senator even had said that he shouldn't be on the team due to his overly physical style.