who gives a fuck about smoking!!!!!

whats it all about

Alfie?

The smoking bans have been in California for a while now, and personally I think it's a good thing because I can't stand the shite, but people do have their freedom to kill their lungs, so keep on smoking!

By the look of your avatar you would ban combs also ?

Being a non-smoker,i would welcome a ban on public smoking. However,if they ban smoking,what would they ban next,drinking in public?

I remember entering clubs and bars that were so smoke filled it burned my eyes. I would not mind a smoke free bar to go to. Hate having to shower after going out just because of smokers. And yes, I used to smoke.

well ive never smoked and i dont mind taking the ANTI smoking stand in this post either. fuck em i say, BAN IT,why should i breath in the shite they have sucked in and spat out of their bodies only to fill my lungs ect with more crap than they already have. if i was to go out and drink 10 pints then stand on the bar and piss on everyone would they like it???? . i think not. i dont mind people smoking as long as they do it in a vacuum cupboard and forced to do it instead of as animals are forced to do it for the sake of sceintific progress.

As a smoker, I try to have some manners. Here is a list of things I try to do.

1. Smoke outdoors as much as possible

2. If with non-smoking friends and you go to a restauraunt, get non-smoking section unless A. they don't care or B. there is only smoking section available.

3. carry fabreeze with me if i know Ill be entering my fiances parents house or a non smokers house. also, gum or breathspray, even cologne if i need to.

4. dont smoke around kids.

5. in public, if @ a bus stop, step away al least 10 feet away from people.

6. If @ a club, do not blow smoke into peoples faces, hold ciggaretes in the hand away from the person next to you, blow your smoke upwards instead of into their faces.

7. @ concerts don't smoke. if you need to... blow smoke upwards, cuff ciggarettes, and dont smoke it all the way.

8. don't even try to light up in a non smokers car.

9. show respect to non-smokers. if its really bothering them and they say so, put it out.

10. don't assume as a smoker, you have the right to kill others cause you are killing yourselves.

I know this still does not satisfy the majority, but I try to respect non smokers as much as possible.

I plan on stopping one day, but I still enjoy smoking. I definetly will do my best to quit before I have kids.

It'd be very interesting to see the impact this has on pubs and clubs etc. People will stay at home and smoke, rather than give up. Anyway, don't the government make half their refugee handout money from tobacco advertising and cigarette tax?

I used to smoke (gave up 15 months ago) but Karen still does. I know it will do her head in if smoking is banned in the pub etc.....

Pubs I don't have a problem with. Restaurants though

And as for NO gigs...

I'll quit when I'm pregnant ... it's a promise

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by kamar> > As a smoker, I try to have some manners.

As you're a smoker, I'm amazed you can't spell cigarette, Kamar!

Haven't smoked myself in 10 years, but have no issues with smoking whatsoever. In fact, I find the people who bang on about anti-smoking far more offensive than any smoker could ever be. I fcuking hate whingers. Half my mates still smoke, and I've always had girlfriends who smoke. In fact, if anything I'm slightly wary of anyone who's not smoked during some portion of their lives. It's part of growing up. Life's rich tapestry. It's like people who don't drink. Not to be trusted! You are RIGHT to be WARY.BTW i have NEVER smoked a cig!

Originally posted by ShugZV© Fucking bollocks the lot of it, if a person wants a fag a person should be allowed a fucking fag.

Beware!Americans haunt these threads!

As someone who smokes when drunk, I really couldn't care wheter its banned or not, in entirity or just using the system we have here (no enclosed workplaces, including pubs).

If all the major fag makers dissapeared tommorrow I wouldn't care. I'd just drink more alcohol when already drunk....

well tbh anyone who argues for the right to fill their lungs and arteries with the shite that comes out of ciggies is a halfwit in my opinion. and to dress it up as a infringement on civil liberties only makes tham look more stupid than they already are?. maybe my last comment is a bit harsh,as i too firmly beleive that this may well be the thin end of a nanny state wedge,that said i think the real problem is one of addiction. we ranted about this the other night in the pub and a freind of mine who has always smoked said that it would be hard for someone who has never smoked (myself),to understand what it is like to crave,want or need a ciggarette. hence the opposition ect to this bill. still i say fuck em,BAN IT. lets all shit on a plate and force feed it down a smokers throat and see how they like it.

Originally posted by ShugZV© ... if a person wants a fag a person should be allowed a fucking fag.

Homoerotic tendencies again Shug?

In NY, it's illegal indoors anywhere (bars/restaurants, etc.) Thank God, as a non-smoker, I can't stand the stuff, and I agree that people have rights to do whatever they want, do it in yer own homes, I hate smelling of that shite!

Originally posted by Al Jarvis I'm slightly wary of anyone who's not smoked during some portion of their lives. It's part of growing up.

Well, in that case, you should be wary of me, then; I've never smoked in my life. People at my school tried to get me into it but I always told them no. It's not part of growing up for everyone.

To get back to the point of the thread, I say a ban on smoking in public places can't come soon enough. Feel free to wreck your own lungs by all means, as long as you do it outside or in your own homes; just don't expect me to wreck mine at the same time. As for the argument I often hear that "Oh, cars put out far more dangerous stuff", at least they're outdoors (as opposed to being in enclosed spaces) and you can go somewhere to get away from them, whereas you can't really do that with cigarette smoke. Also, to those people who say it should be allowed in pubs because they're supposedly "private" places, why do you think they're called public houses?

well what miss disco said really,except to clarify the whole car argument ect. this is a typical smokers argument,IE: someone who is in total denial due to their addiction. auto travel at least for me is a need not a WANT,and if you are that bothered about the enviroment,instead of sucking on a ciggie suck on an exhaust pipe,at least you will be helping the enviroment by helping to filter out some of the pcbs.

Originally posted by Jeff So are you anti-smokers up for a ban on fat people at Mickey D's???

No no no, that's where they belong! I say we corral those fat arses and pen them in McDonald's. They won't mind; chicken nuggets and play pens for all.

Originally posted by Jeff So are you anti-smokers up for a ban on fat people at Mickey D's???

Is second hand fat detrimental to your health?

when I see a pregnant woman smoke, I swear I'd kill her!

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Miss Disco> > > > Originally posted by Al Jarvis> I'm slightly wary of anyone who's not smoked during some portion of their lives. It's part of growing up.

Well, in that case, you should be wary of me, then; I've never smoked in my life.

Without wishing to stoke the fire, so to speak, but obviously failing miserably ... I've often found the most virulent anti-smokers to be the very people who don't actually go out in the first place, so why they want smoking banned from places they only visit, like, once a fcuking year is beyond me. I haven't smoked for 10+ years, but I've been a fairly regular pub-goer for 20+ years and grew up accepting pubs were places where adults went to have a drink and a smoke. I don't know anyone who's grown up in such an environment, be they smokers or non-smokers, who are particularly anti-smoking. Why people feel the need to spoil stuff for other people (and I'm talking about non-smokers whinging about smokers here) is fcuking beyond me. Killjoys.

Whingeing fookin non-smokers are of the same ilk as those part-time drinkers / full time cunts who are about to hit my fuckin local in a big way . Yeah that's right the fuckin twat who is out for the annual Christmas ' drink ' , he or she will descend on the pub with some like minded souls , draping fuckin coats over every available chair , cos their mates are comin in later , they'll get to the bar , fuck about ordering every type of crisp and peanut in the building , they'll want the names of every lager explaining to them , one of them will want a fuckin cuppa tea , which means Cheryl or Tracey will have to fuck off and find a kettle and an Earl Grey bag , then some braying half wit will shout over a demand for more salted peanuts and a SNOWBALL for Glenda , they'll complain that the lads in the vault keep kickin the juke box every time a Christmas tune by Wham comes on , THEN the fuckin clown at the bar wont have enough money to pay for the round , cos it's gone up since last time at this point I'll grab our kid and try to stop him puttin the traditional barstool over the once a year fellas head , we'll then go back to our table and open another warm emergency can from Tesco , specially bought to help cope with the influx of these twats .

By now deeply stessed both myself and mates will decide to light up a bifter , and IF amongst the annual visitors their is a born again non smoker .... he'd better fuckin shut it !

And then they'll want all the fookin taxis , makin Manchester nightlife a fuckin mind fuck of a journey on a bus , ill equipped as they are to cope with the bladder requirements of at least 15 piss artists , last year a Niagra falls in miniature cascaded down the stairs much to the chagrin of the shopping public , who no doubt bemoaned these once a year bus passengers and their evil ways .

fuck 'em

Not to mention the Noel Edmunds jumpers

bound to be one or two DigiMike , tradition dictates , also the old lass now past her sell by date , wearing Pretty Polly hold-ups with a diamante motif on the ankle , by the end of the night she'll be gettin back scuttled by one of the lads from the pool team . After the deed she'll say to him ' still got it have'nt I ? ' He'll say yeah you got it now ... it'll be a coupla days before she knows what he really meant .

Meantime the Landlord'll be showing favoured customers his new ' amateur video '

Are you Captain of the Pool Team, and how much are the Amatuer videos ?

Never got the Binoche stuff :(

the video is not commercialy available as yet , our bestsellers this week are :

Buttman in Brazil. UK students vol 7 starring local ( to Walkden / Little Hulton anyway )girl Jayne Whitehouse . Sluts who fuck Sluts and The Incredibles .

Not captain of pool team , but been known to put the odd one in , ooh er missus .

I knew I'd fucked up yer addy , it aint winged it's way back here , I'll source ( as they now seem to call ' find ' some more Binoche stuff before Crimble ) would a copy of local girl Jaynes number two best seller do fer now ? Addy to .com

HIYA SHUGLET :D

I'll get ya a bib fer xmas , best thing to catch spillin coffee

Gary

You have email

Morning Shug, get back to work, what an example you set

Aren't you making a snowman?

Not you Shug! ;)

Yeah Shug , get back to work , I mean it's Friday , if yer daft enough to go in .... try and do a bit , just for forms sake

Nae wonder we lost the Empire ... and the Odeon , come to think of it .

DigiMike mail not here yet , will reply as soon as .

That lass has turned up who ruined the Denzil film fer me

Ah well , bygones

Originally posted by ShugZV© > Originally posted by NObabe> Aren't you making a snowman? > > Not you Shug! ;)

The snow only lasted for an hour or so here, by the time I got up this morning it had all but disappeared, Mike isnae too far away - so I doubt he was making snowmen out of his son this morning either;)

Mr Mac, don't blame me for losing the Empire, that wee bastard Skywalker has a lot tae answer for.

And Work? is that?

:D Okay young Padawan ,cool yer boots ,whilst we're talkin space bollox a slight digression into a not entirely unrelated topic .

Will you play SATURN 5 by the INSPIRALS at yer dj gig tonite ?

And SENSORIA by Cabaret Voltaire

Floor fillers both of 'em .

There ye go a plug fer yer gig

Now reclaim the Empire ,before yer next baccy break

Correct Shug, snow has gone, however I now have all day to copy dvd's again.

Gary tried your email, could you mail me

mrdigitalmike@aol.com

I have a goodie for you

Mike , will do , just sent one to groovygeeva addy , is that off now ?

Yep

I am now on mrdigitalmike@aol.com

I have replied to your mail:)

recieved and replied , gremlins thrown out .

forgot to mention in reply , will send our kids dvd swaps list with first package

Fuck em! SMoking rules and I don't give a shite if it offends anyone! As an American, I consider it patriotic to smoke as it was one of our first crops that helped to make this nation.

Personally, I fooking hate fresh air and I am offended by the "Freshies" in the crowd.

"You wanted a smoking section? We gave you the whole fucking plane!! Honestly, if the plane is going down the first thing your gonna hear from the Captian is: 'Light 'em up! Cuz we're goin' down!' "

Tee Hee...OK, nice rant.

Banning it is stupid. Next we'll ban meat, caffine, opinions, booze (Already tried that and it didn't work), JSB, bikinis, real plants in your home, pets and anything else that some one MIGHT gain pleasure from!!!!

Fuvk it!! Let's just ban that little smilie while we're at it!! Because I'm a fuvking sissy and I'm offended by the message that it implies!!!

Very sad.

well i promised myself that i wouldnt drag this thread down to the abyss,but bollocks to it,the smokers seem to be gaining the upper hand so time to dish out some facts.

smoking gets you.

1. lung cancer
2. throat cancer
3. mouth cancer
4. toungue cancer
5. heart disease
6. strokes
7. amputations
8. arterial disease
9. impaired lung capacity.

to name a few

not smoking gets you.

1. none of the above

now to show i know that i know what im talking about ,many of you are to young and too daft to care about any of the above. but when the day comes as it did for my uncle,when he went into the dentists and said i think ive got toothache and he said i dont think you have ? go and see a doctor. let me see you rant about the right to smoke then. he ended up with one eye,half a face and a plate inside his head to stop his brain from falling into his mouth cavity,such was the extent of the damage. he died shortly after the extensive surgery to save him,that said its not the reason im against smoking in general. if you think you have a right to smoke,then fair enough but your still a daft cunt.

Originally posted by Sir CHUNKS Banning it is stupid. Next we'll ban meat, caffine, opinions, booze (Already tried that and it didn't work), JSB, bikinis, real plants in your home, pets and anything else that some one MIGHT gain pleasure from!!!!

Second-hand smoke causes all of the health problems (see Mike Powell's list) associated with smoking.

Second-hand meat: no health problems. Second-hand caffeine: no health problems. Second-hand opinions: no health problems. Second-hand booze: no health problems. Second-hand JSB: no health problems. Second-hand bikinis: no health problems. Second-hand real plants: no health problems. Second-hand pets: maybe some dander allergies...

You can put what you want in your lungs, but keep it the fuck out of my lungs... i.e., when we're sharing a public space, light up someplace where you're only killing yourself. That's not so much to ask, is it?

Originally posted by mike powell well i promised myself that i wouldnt drag this thread down to the abyss,but bollocks to it,the smokers seem to be gaining the upper hand so time to dish out some facts.smoking gets you.1. lung cancer2. throat cancer3. mouth cancer4. toungue cancer5. heart disease6. strokes7. amputations8. arterial disease9. impaired lung capacity.to name a fewnot smoking gets you.1. none of the abovenow to show i know that i know what im talking about ,many of you are to young and too daft to care about any of the above.but when the day comes as it did for my uncle,when he went into the dentists and said i think ive got toothache and he said i dont think you have ? go and see a doctor.let me see you rant about the right to smoke then.he ended up with one eye,half a face and a plate inside his head to stop his brain from falling into his mouth cavity,such was the extent of the damage.he died shortly after the extensive surgery to save him,that said its not the reason im against smoking in general.if you think you have a right to smoke,then fair enough but your still a daft cunt.

My father died of blood cancer-- not a clear link between that and his 58 years of smoking, but exposure to formaldehyde is a factor in blood cancer, and smokers inhale formaldehyde with every drag...

So before I "hear" any more swaggering bravado from smokers about their "rights" and their fatalism, try watching somebody die of blood cancer, and then tell me what you have to say. Until then, you don't know jack.

Lost my Dad to cancer. Cancer on the heart. The doctors did not know where the cancer stopped and the heart began. Smoked Kools for decades. Don't know if that was the cause.

Originally posted by mike powell smoking gets you.

1. lung cancer
2. throat cancer
3. mouth cancer
4. toungue cancer
5. heart disease
6. strokes
7. amputations
8. arterial disease
9. impaired lung capacity.

Correct! But Cheer up guys, we all die in the end!!!! So maybe if I give up smoking, tomorrow I'll end up hit by a car in the street. Life's a bitch!

Originally posted by mike powell not smoking gets you..

1. none of the above

Well I knew a man who died of lung cancer and he never smoked. And then I know people who smoke soooooo much and they're still healthy as hell. Weird!

Damn it, while I'm writing this my coffee's getting cold and I think I'm gonna sneak out for a cigarette

Cheers!!!!!

Your God must be DENIS LEARY ?

Originally posted by Digital Mike Binoche Your God must be DENIS LEARY ?

except I don't like meat and I don't like BACON

Meat is murder. Cheers!

Originally posted by NObabe > Originally posted by mike powell> smoking gets you.> > 1. lung cancer> 2. throat cancer> 3. mouth cancer> 4. toungue cancer> 5. heart disease> 6. strokes> 7. amputations> 8. arterial disease> 9. impaired lung capacity.Correct! But Cheer up guys, we all die in the end!!!! So maybe if I give up smoking, tomorrow I'll end up hit by a car in the street. Life's a bitch!> Originally posted by mike powell> not smoking gets you..> 1. none of the aboveWell I knew a man who died of lung cancer and he never smoked. And then I know people who smoke soooooo much and they're still healthy as hell. Weird! Damn it, while I'm writing this my coffee's getting cold and I think I'm gonna sneak out for a cigarette Cheers!!!!!

When I was a kid, I watched a surfer die on the beach-- he went surfing in the morning, and somehow drowned. He was pulled from the water, and was still alive, and onlookers were doing a heroic job of giving him CPR-- it almost seemed like he was going to make it... But he didn't. He just slipped away and died.

That was nothing compared to my father's death from cancer. I'll spare everybody the details, because they're pretty awful, but if I have to listen to a fatalistic "we all die," try watching somebody die from cancer before you say it.

Will every smoker die from lung cancer? No. Will every smoker get emphysema? No. Will some smokers live to a ripe old age? Probably. Will, some non-smokers die of cancer? Sure. That doesn't negate the fact that smoking is a cause of those diseases, and that every smoker has a higher probability of contracting those diseases because of smoking.

Anyway, my earlier point was that people are free put what they want in their lungs, as long as they don't force me to breathe it as well. Second-hand smoke is a killer, and it's only a matter of courtesy for smokers to indulge their habit without endangering the health of those around them. That's what the public smoking bans are about. I suppose if smokers were considerate of those who don't wish to smoke, there wouldn't be a need for a ban in the first place.

Originally posted by NObabe > Originally posted by Digital Mike Binoche> Your God must be DENIS LEARY ?

except I don't like meat and I don't like BACON

Meat is murder. Cheers!

It certainly is. Cheers!

Meat good, smoke bad