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Ironwill wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov wrote: The premise would be true if in fact the Christian meant claw hammer and the Muslim meant tack hammer, but there was only one word to describe any type of hammer.

It's not at all evident that there's only one word in Arabic to describe all gods (and in fact, I believe that would be a false statement), and it's not at all evident that Christians mean a different God when they say "Allah" than Muslims mean when they say "Allah" (and vice versa).

Dang it! I'm trying to go to bed!

Ok. The God of Christians had a son named Jesus, and believe that God is a Trinity. The God of Muslims has no son and do not believe God is a Trinity. So there in are the differences. 2 different Gods.

Ok. Now I'm really going to bed.

No more cheers.

Sweet dreams instead.

the jews also don't believe in the trinity. do they also have a different god?

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Ironwill wrote:

Comrade Shampanyov wrote: The premise would be true if in fact the Christian meant claw hammer and the Muslim meant tack hammer, but there was only one word to describe any type of hammer.

It's not at all evident that there's only one word in Arabic to describe all gods (and in fact, I believe that would be a false statement), and it's not at all evident that Christians mean a different God when they say "Allah" than Muslims mean when they say "Allah" (and vice versa).

Dang it! I'm trying to go to bed!

Ok. The God of Christians had a son named Jesus, and believe that God is a Trinity. The God of Muslims has no son and do not believe God is a Trinity. So there in are the differences. 2 different Gods.

Ok. Now I'm really going to bed.

No more cheers. Sweet dreams instead.

Differences in the theology about who Christ is, but not differences in the God. The Christian "God the Father" is the same as the Muslim "Allah" and the Jewish "Yahweh." Whether Christ is the son of God (the Christian view) or a prophet (the Jewish and Muslim view) doesn't affect who God is.

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Since it was so offensive. I have edited the title.

About time you did some Moderating :evil4:

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afr0puff wrote:

Ironwill wrote:

afr0puff wrote:

I'm sorry, but you will not find an educated Muslim endorsing violence. There is nothing wrong with peaceful protests. A call for violence is completely unacceptable in Islam.

They may not endorse violence but I sure don't see them out on the streets condeming it. :thumbdown:

Take a look throughout history at any society whose primary beliefs are peace. The people of that society tend to be passive by nature who prefer not to meddle in the affairs of others, and only wish to go about their lives. Now I'm not saying that is an excuse people can use to mind their own business. I absolutely agree with you that now is a time for true practicing Muslims to take a stand against these fanatics.

For example, that one guy who simply likes to post pictures... besides the fanatic groups promoting terrorism, every single Islamic organization, state, and country denounced the 9/11 attacks. Only American lives being lost? Think again. All you read about or see in the news are how suicide bombers are claiming the lives of other Muslims. Muslims in line to vote. Muslims in line to join the police force. Muslims wanting to change their country for the better. They are the ones being massacred. If you want to keep a tally of lives lost, be my guest. Your findings will show that the majority of people targeted in those attacks are other Muslims.

Kind of hard to take to the streets and condemn these attacks when you will be targeted for opposing those terrorist factions.

As for Mohammed being a cunt, how would he react to these cartoons of him?

"Omar, one of the most celebrated companions of Prophet sought the permission of the state to punish Suhail bin Amr, a prisoner of war who had engaged in anti-Prophet Muhammad propaganda in Makkah. Suhail was known for his abusive language and insulting attitude towards the Prophet. Prophet Muhammad strictly prohibited his companions from punishing or torturing any prisoner of war on account of their past hostilities. He admonished Omar for seeking retribution. After all, the Prophet had endured all the possible humiliation at the hands of the elites of Makkah and their supporters without asking any of his supporters to silence his opponents."

If you want more examples of Mohammed's teachings, let me know and I will provide them to you. I don't consider myself scholarly, but I like to think of myself as educated. I bet if you were to ask those cowards covering their faces holding "war signs" to provide an example of where Mohammed would support their actions, they'd be hard pressed.

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Thanks for your post mate, it's good to hear a well balanced and logical version of events.

Basically the fanatics of any movement get more attention than the civilised masses, afterall it makes great headlines! And we all know the media around the world love to stir up shite to scare the less educated to death.

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Ironwill wrote:

AgentWood wrote:

Ironwill wrote:

Ronald Kirsch wrote: here we go again. allah is actually the same god the christians worship....

Allah is NOT the same as God in the Christian Bible or Jewish Torah. :nono: ...

...Do your research before making such generalities. :read:

you need to do your research. a christian who speaks arabic will call god 'allah,' as will a jew who speaks arabic.

Duh! They're saying god in arabic! The language of the jews is Hebrew. So a jew saying god in Hebrew would not say 'allah'.

That's like saying an arab who speaks english will call YOU 'Agent Wood', as will a jew who speaks english. You logic is flawed. :nuts:

'the language of the jews is hebrew.' that's about the most uninsightful statement i've ever read. are you aware that most jews who live in israel are sephardim (which in today's parlance includes yemeni jews, iraqi jews, egyptian jews, etc.)? their native language is arabic, not hebrew. what do the jews living in egypt call god? allah. what do the jews living in iraq call god? allah. they DON'T speak hebrew!

the biggest pop star in israel in the 1980s, ofra haza, sang in her native arabic, her second language of hebrew, and english.

p.s. VERY good post, afr0puff. :thumb:

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I work about a quarter of a mile from the Regent's Park mosque.

On Friday (the 'Day of Hate'!) they had lads outside with banners proclaiming, I kid you not, "NO TO FREE SPEECH!"

I hope someone else can at least spot the irony. :nod:

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Sense, logic and facts All are as a candle before a hurricane in the face of the Holy.

Jesus,Mohammed, you name it....the all taught a better way...and have been used in every way to create the exact opposite of their teachings, but those who fear them most.

An example from my own mythology.....

Jesus chucked the money changers and traders from the Jewish temple in Jeruselem, because there should be no evils like money in a holy place.

If he WERE to return as Christians believe....do you think he would be at all chuffed with the churches

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Excellent post Afropuf :thumb:

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have you ever seen robert schuller's show on TV? that televangelist has a church in LA that seats thousands and looks like an ice palace. i wonder how many millions it took to build that place?

muslims build their mosques through the process of zakat--giving a percentage of their income for the use of mosque-building and giving to the poor (the percentage differs between sects). oh, and probably a few million here and there donated by royal families and oil magnates.;)

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Al Jarvis wrote: I work about a quarter of a mile from the Regent's Park mosque.

On Friday (the 'Day of Hate'!) they had lads outside with banners proclaiming, I kid you not, "NO TO FREE SPEECH!"

I hope someone else can at least spot the irony. :nod:

spotted and brought to mind yet more life of Bwyan....

You're all individuals .

I'm not

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The arabs (palastinians) have been taking the piss (catoon wise) out of the Jews for years in publications over there, & (Jews) being more tolerant types dont bat an eye-lid. no marches no death threats etc..

But when someone dare say Allah is a cnut with a bomb on his head they all leave their shops & go on a march. Fuckers-kill them all

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Al Jarvis wrote: I work about a quarter of a mile from the Regent's Park mosque.

On Friday (the 'Day of Hate'!) they had lads outside with banners proclaiming, I kid you not, "NO TO FREE SPEECH!"

I hope someone else can at least spot the irony. :nod:

I was surprised you said there was irony on show. We all know irony is womens work and you won't normally find those protesters doing that.

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Ironwill wrote: Could you please (not being sarcastic) give me some sources to this because I must have missed this during my anger/horror/grief/sadness/confusion.

ARGH!!! Stupid web browser crashed on me as I was submitting all the info I was able to compile. I'm off to a superbowl party. When I get a chance, I'll try again. But the gist was that actions speak louder than words. All these terrorists know how to do is act, therefore the voices of these world leaders condemning them goes unheard. It is now time for them to take action. Pakistan, Indonesia, and Malaysia are prime examples of Muslim countries taking a stand against these fanatics. Just need more to follow suit.

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imagine there is no religion

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and that Lennon twat can fook right off as well.

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Yes i bloody well do!

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Well he was a thousand times better than than MACCA

I wiill start a poll

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Al Jarvis wrote: I work about a quarter of a mile from the Regent's Park mosque.

On Friday (the 'Day of Hate'!) they had lads outside with banners proclaiming, I kid you not, "NO TO FREE SPEECH!"

I hope someone else can at least spot the irony. :nod:

:abovelol:

OK, tha's ironic in a very amusing sort of way.

:laugh:

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GaryMac wrote:

Al Jarvis wrote: I work about a quarter of a mile from the Regent's Park mosque.

On Friday (the 'Day of Hate'!) they had lads outside with banners proclaiming, I kid you not, "NO TO FREE SPEECH!"

I hope someone else can at least spot the irony. :nod:

spotted and brought to mind yet more life of Bwyan....

You're all individuals .

I'm not

Shhh!

Priceless.

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I think faith is most important than religion,faith mean for me do something without doubt,do something with full insurance ,faith bring to my self light overdarkness,faith keep my self cool face to any danger,faith is just an interstellar transmission to somewhere,to god ,to god faith is something unspeakable it cames like a space fever to purify any soul,as you see i prefer talk about faith than religion,because politicians speech in the name of religions with a sheet smile; concerning what happen with caricature,i'm proud of my religion and islam it's a religion and it does not belong only to Arab poeple,everybody is free to be a killer or bountykiller in the name of islam,i'm a kabyle not arabic ,and i'm sure there are no kabyle still burning any consulate somewhere just for this sketch and between arabic and kabyle poeple there are two differents languages,civilisations and history inside this country called Algeria which i live since 1961 unfortunatley what a boring subject because i prefer to talk about stranglers,so i continious to hear Pet Shop Boys about this delicious singlesomewhere

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First post you've made that makes sense. :evil4:

Well said!

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yes. why doesn't twist respond directly to our algerian friend and other muslims who post on this site rather than to those of us who are not muslim?

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First post you've made that makes sense.

HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT SINCE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE TO INVISIBLE POWER -TAKE IT EASY:nono: :nono:

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What the HELL is happening...top THREAD. NO TO FREE POSTS TOO:thumb:

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virtualghali wrote: First post you've made that makes sense.

HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT SINCE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE TO INVISIBLE POWER -TAKE IT EASY:nono: :nono:

I meant that your posts on other topics, on other threads usually have people wondering what you're talking about-- someimes they don't make sense...Atleast not to English speakers. :evil4:

This time your message came through loud and clear, and made lots of sense. That's all. :)

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I 'm not so good in english , agentwood and johnny know that ,taht's why sometimes some friends find a difficult to understand my message,i hope it's does not matter to anyone ; english is very impoprtant for me specially in my professional future, i hope that in the next i can bring some delicious speech, by the way why don't you like talking about stranglers,everyone must know it was the first punk group who unvite joy division to play with in concert as guest star,only way to one god ,good night

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TEA FOR TWO ,virtualghali ?

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Yeah, I know, I was just poking fun at your previous posts. Sorry. I didn't mean it in a mean way, just having a bit of fun at your expense, but in a good-natured way, I hope you understand.

Everybody here pokes fun ("Takes the piss" in Brit speak) at everybody else. It means we're having fun with you, that's all.

Your post here made a lot of sense-- there's a difference between faith, or spirituality, and religion. Top notch post.

I love the Stranglers, but you probably won't get too many responses in a thread about religion. Best to start a Stranglers thread and see what happens.

Stick around and post, your English will get better with pracice. :thumb:

Mine did. :D

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