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Thugs are those that use violance when upset. Of course this assumes that the EU has the same spine as 1938 Europe* as Hitler grabbed the Sudetenland.
*France actually mobilized its military which prevented Hitler from a "hot" invasion. But the Munich Conference sold the Czechs out without the cost of a single 8mm discharged from a K98.
are you getting your knickers in a twist? i hardly think that the current situation resembles europe of 1938. yes there is a fine line beween freedom of speech and offending someones culture and religion. those cartoons are offensive to muslims. you've read the threads, so i don't have to tell you why.
yes i think the reaction was over the top. i can see the other side as well.
The cruel way they kill and bleed their holy meat offends people I know...better ban that too.
"Depicting the prophet Mohammed is prohibited by Islam."
Only I'm not Islamic, so their code doesn't apply to me. And if we're going to start cross-applying moral codes, refer to Cambo's comment on bleedin' out animals, which doesn't fit my moral code...
do we really care?
what yer gonna do when the novelty has gone?
who will we hate next?
chill, life is too short.
Comrade Shampanyov wrote: "Depicting the prophet Mohammed is prohibited by Islam."
Only I'm not Islamic, so their code doesn't apply to me. And if we're going to start cross-applying moral codes, refer to Cambo's comment on bleedin' out animals, which doesn't fit my moral code...
well we can only regulate on what happens in our own countries. if its cruely against animals you are concerned about contact the RSPCA, or whatever it is called in in the USA.
you are also not jewish (at least not taht i know) or black. does that enable you to make fun of the holocaust or slavery? if you do i hope you only do it in private. sorry i know you better than that, and know that you wouldn't do that, just making a point here.
Barney Army wrote: do we really care?
what yer gonna do when the novelty has gone?
who will we hate next?
chill, life is too short.
if you don't care, then move on to the next thread, easy.
Many editorial cartoons offend me and others but we do not riot and burn buildings. Digital Mike does not burn down the BBC radio transmitter whenever they play Blue Monday. George Bush does not go ape whenever the OP ED page has him drawn as an ape. The Catholic Church did not bomb London when over an art exhibit featuring the Virgin mary covered in elephant shit. Guliani fascist??
Yes the cartoons are offensive. But that justify the reaction? What sort of precedent is evolving here? "Sorry officer but the bitch offended me."
twist wrote: Many editorial cartoons offend me and others but we do not riot and burn buildings. Digital Mike does not burn down the BBC radio transmitter whenever they play Blue Monday. George Bush does not go ape whenever the OP ED page has him drawn as an ape. The Catholic Church did not bomb London when over an art exhibit featuring the Virgin mary covered in elephant shit. Guliani fascist??
Yes the cartoons are offensive. But that justify the reaction? What sort of precedent is evolving here? "Sorry officer but the bitch offended me."
i guess it all depends on how strongly you believe in something. i know it is something that is hard to fathom in the so jaded west.
there are many things and many people who offend me as well, but then again could i give a stuff about doing something about it? they again if i did i amy join the the red army fraction, (are they still going) or some organistion more radical that greenpeace. it happens people in the west too feel strongly about issues, and some do actually join these organisations.
Comrade Shampanyov wrote:
twist wrote: George Bush does not go ape whenever the OP ED page has him drawn as an ape.
perhaps he didn't see it as a caricature. 
Keep in mind, however, as afr0puff said, followed by Woodsy, these protests are being orchestrated because of politics.
Condi agrees; she accused Syria and Iran of being behind the turmoil. It ain't religion, it's politics, and a lot of people are being manipulated to achieve those political ends.
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
Barney Army wrote: do we really care?
what yer gonna do when the novelty has gone?
who will we hate next?
chill, life is too short.
if you don't care, then move on to the next thread, easy.
Wise words Ronald.
Next time a witty thread crops up......do the same :D
It'll save you in end matey..WHOOOOOSSSHHHH
Barney Army wrote:
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
Barney Army wrote: do we really care?
what yer gonna do when the novelty has gone?
who will we hate next?
chill, life is too short.
if you don't care, then move on to the next thread, easy.
Wise words Ronald.
Next time a witty thread crops up......do the same :D
oh i have a very dry sense of humour.
Barney Army wrote:
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
oh i have a very dry sense of humour.
Prove it mo fo
you'll see it when it happens. it a spontaneous thing. i have to admit that my sense of humour has been sadly lacking lately as i've been going through a lot of crap lately. over the past 2 weeks i have been bracing myself about receiving some not so good news, but life goes on. ah crap this was going to me my year. see what you've done now.
actually there are two examples of my humour in this thread, granted not prime examples, but they are there.
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
Barney Army wrote:
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
oh i have a very dry sense of humour.
Prove it mo fo
you'll see it when it happens. it a spontaneous thing.
"Ein peanut vas valking down der strasse, und it vas assaulted...peanut!"
Comrade Shampanyov wrote:
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
Barney Army wrote:
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
oh i have a very dry sense of humour.
Prove it mo fo
you'll see it when it happens. it a spontaneous thing.
"Ein peanut vas valking down der strasse, und it vas assaulted...peanut!"
now i feel racialy assulted. not. :D
it is not true ve germans do have a sense of humour. ve have vays of making you laff.
Comrade Shampanyov wrote: At Mecca Meeting, Cartoon Outrage Crystallized
i'm not going to register for this one, but the other one is another good link.
Seething Midwest Explodes Over Lombardi Cartoons
I've gotta say, I'm surprised to hear so many people (not on this forum necessarily, but public figures) say, "I can understand why people would be so offended," when previously these same people have be able to explain away anything else: "If you don't like it, don't watch it."
Gnu Odor wrote: Seething Midwest Explodes Over Lombardi Cartoons
I've gotta say, I'm surprised to hear so many people (not on this forum necessarily, but public figures) say, "I can understand why people would be so offended," when previously these same people have be able to explain away anything else: "If you don't like it, don't watch it."
just because i don't feel strongly enough about most things to storm the barricades, well atually i have attended the odd demonstration in my time, doesn't mean that i can't accept that some people feel very strongly about some issues.
is there anything you feel strongly enough to mount the barricades?
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
is there anything you feel strongly enough to mount the barricades?
Oh, hell yes. I was the nut who crashed the last two "Drive Out the Bush Regime" rallies here and heckled the speakers from behind the stage.
What I'm referring to specifically is the routine dismissal of Christian offense; say, Piss Christ, The Book of Daniel, etc. The same people who can understand Muslim offense over these drawings had either nothing to say about those or dismissed any criticism as a "misunderstanding of intent."
The same network that put out The Book of Daniel (didn't see it) and was going to feature Britney Spears as the host of "Cruci-fixin's" wouldn't show the cartoons during a news segment about them.
Now they're worried about offending people?
News networks are chickening out on this because if they show them and offend Islam, they will lose their press permits in Muslim countries.
Does the title of this thread mean that thugs are anti-'freedom of speech'?! 
Er, so you can't be a thug, and believe in freedom of speech?!
And, if we take things very literally, weren't the original thugs, um, Hindus?! And not Muslims?! 
Al Jarvis wrote:
And, if we take things very literally, weren't the original thugs, um, Hindus?! And not Muslims?!
Etymology did a job on me. Now I am a real sickie.
Canada steps in it.
“I think The Cadre has been a very good newspaper this year but there is no need for UPEI to step recklessly into a situation that has caused violence and mounting violence all over the world,’’ he said. In other words, violence works.
Gnu Odor wrote:
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
is there anything you feel strongly enough to mount the barricades?
Oh, hell yes. I was the nut who crashed the last two "Drive Out the Bush Regime" rallies here and heckled the speakers from behind the stage.
What I'm referring to specifically is the routine dismissal of Christian offense; say, Piss Christ, The Book of Daniel, etc. The same people who can understand Muslim offense over these drawings had either nothing to say about those or dismissed any criticism as a "misunderstanding of intent."
The same network that put out The Book of Daniel (didn't see it) and was going to feature Britney Spears as the host of "Cruci-fixin's" wouldn't show the cartoons during a news segment about them.
Now they're worried about offending people?
yeah well you know where I sit on this...all the fucking same, the lot of them, with the fairy tales and hatred. If you are religious, you should have your EVIL electricity and EVIL running water (also produced by nasty science) bothcut off.
I LOVE watching fundy christians rave about how science is the devil...thro a condensor microphone....ah yes....wasn't that invented by jebadiah of jeruselem and written of in the Holy bullshit (book of electrical principles chapter 5 vs 3..."an the lord sayeth unto the diciples, "taketh a magnet and a coil and...")....NO!
Gnu Odor wrote:
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
is there anything you feel strongly enough to mount the barricades?
Oh, hell yes. I was the nut who crashed the last two "Drive Out the Bush Regime" rallies here and heckled the speakers from behind the stage.
What I'm referring to specifically is the routine dismissal of Christian offense; say, Piss Christ, The Book of Daniel, etc. The same people who can understand Muslim offense over these drawings had either nothing to say about those or dismissed any criticism as a "misunderstanding of intent."
The same network that put out The Book of Daniel (didn't see it) and was going to feature Britney Spears as the host of "Cruci-fixin's" wouldn't show the cartoons during a news segment about them.
Now they're worried about offending people?
from my study of the subject, i'd have to say that, christians on the whole are far more relaxed about these issues, beacause, if you are a believing christian, than you know that the people who produce these things are just wrong.
i'm trying hard to find some scriptural reference for this. the best i can do is that it is OK for Christians to eat with pagans even if they offer food to their gods, because well it just doesn't mean anything. that is the closest i can do, but i will have to do here.
it doesn't of course mean that some Christians won't get mightily upset about things like the piss Christ.
Again, I'm a (reluctant) atheist; I'd love to be lit up with religious faith, but I'm not.
But now I read that in Malaysia, "it is now an offence to publish, import, produce, manufacture, circulate, distribute or possess caricatures that may "jeopardize public harmony and safety, which may cause chaos, or endanger public peace or national interest."
That may cause chaos? To possess? WTF? Civil liberatarians in the U.S. would (you'd think) go apeshit over that. So, dirty cops will now plant cartoons on a perp and be charged with possession?
In a somewhat unrelated note, some movie reviewer used the word "sniggering" in a review recently, and it came up on the site rottentomatoes.com as "s******ing."
That's right, you can't use the word "s******" anymore.
**** ****.
Gnu Odor wrote: Again, I'm a (reluctant) atheist; I'd love to be lit up with religious faith, but I'm not.
But now I read that in Malaysia, "it is now an offence to publish, import, produce, manufacture, circulate, distribute or possess caricatures that may "jeopardize public harmony and safety, which may cause chaos, or endanger public peace or national interest."
That may cause chaos? To possess? WTF? Civil liberatarians in the U.S. would (you'd think) go apeshit over that. So, dirty cops will now plant cartoons on a perp and be charged with possession?
you ought to try Singapore then.
Gnu Odor wrote: In a somewhat unrelated note, some movie reviewer used the word "sniggering" in a review recently, and it came up on the site rottentomatoes.com as "s******ing."
That's right, you can't use the word "s******" anymore.
**** ****.
FFS I thought it had already been "newspeaked" into "snickering" on your side of the pond?
WTF is next? southern reticulated Ra****s terry ***an
Gnu Odor wrote:
Ronald Kirsch wrote:
is there anything you feel strongly enough to mount the barricades?
Oh, hell yes. I was the nut who crashed the last two "Drive Out the Bush Regime" rallies here and heckled the speakers from behind the stage.
What I'm referring to specifically is the routine dismissal of Christian offense; say, Piss Christ, The Book of Daniel, etc. The same people who can understand Muslim offense over these drawings had either nothing to say about those or dismissed any criticism as a "misunderstanding of intent."
The same network that put out The Book of Daniel (didn't see it) and was going to feature Britney Spears as the host of "Cruci-fixin's" wouldn't show the cartoons during a news segment about them.
Now they're worried about offending people?
Actually I think there _is_ more of a case for having a go at Christians than at Muslims - it comes down to power. At least in this country, the UK. Christians have more money on average, and Christianity is the state religion - I was obliged to sing Christian hymns at my state school, not Muslim prayer - religious broadcasting is obligatory for the TV companies, and in practice that means Christian programs, and Christian leaders get automatic seats in the House of Lords. And its Christianity that is protected by a blasphemy law.
So when one annoys Christians one is kicking back at people with power, while having a go at Muslims can be simple bullying of those with less power. Plus much of the real Christian-baiting comes from people within the Christian culture - wasn't that 'Piss Christ' by someone raised as a Christian himself? That's different from bashing a culture from outside. Only someone raised a Christian would consider that thing to be remotely interesting as art.
I notice it mostly seems to be people raised within the Christian tradition who go in for all the Christian-baiting devil worshipping nonsense - didn't Marilyn Manson use to be a choir-boy?
Still, much of what passes for religious outrage seems to be something else in disguise. Like when those Sikhs disrupted that play in Birmingham - I think that wasn't about religion at all, it was about a bunch of self-important patriarchs upset at their authority being challenged (the play was written by a Sikh woman after all). Likewise I think the Islamic anger about the cartoons is probably really about other things.
Barney Army wrote: do we really care?
what yer gonna do when the novelty has gone?
who will we hate next?
chill, life is too short.
Barney Army wrote: do we really care?
what yer gonna do when the novelty has gone?
who will we hate next?
chill, life is too short.
well yeah,who will we hate next? not so long ago we where sold on the idea that the commies(ussr)was the sworn enemy,they was evil,godless blah blah blah im sure veryone in ere remembers. look at em now? in a decade or so some of the richest folk in the world are from that very same place and we welcome them with open arms to buy our footy clubs,phone companies and hey lets not forget the prospect of cheap gas. plus ive even met some ruskies since the colapse of comieville and what a top laugh they was too,which made me think well what was all that cold war shit about then? nowt as things panned out.
but that leaves us with a big who do we hate now problem,DING DING and in the red corner we have the prophet mohammed. just how has islam gone from being the "who the fuck are them" and "iswhat?" to being almost revilled by most of the christian world in just a very short time. has islam been set up? have they been framed? the very fact that bin laden is still roaming around smells strange to me,what better way than to keep alive the menace, a bogeyman for christians so to speak. and why hasnt he been caught,fuck me dont pay your tv liscence and they will track you to the ends of the earth to get ya, but owd bin,no sign of him. which makes you wonder if he has been left at large to crank up the hate factor. am i blowing smoke up my own arse? you tell me,but dosent anyone else find all this just that little bit to convenient for the likes of bush n blair
