The 'I Learnt Something New Today' Thread

Doc I really need to get to my bed but you've raised some points I wouldn't mind discussing: "At A Later Date"! A Hale an' Hearty Fare Ye Well. Ah! Beeeeeeeeedddddddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!

Today I learnt that I had been betrayed by someone I trusted the most. A happy christmas it won't be.

That sounds bad Tim. If it's any consolation, my Christmas is going to be rubbish this year too. Bring on the New Year, at least I have things to look forward to then :(

Doctor? wrote: I'd disagree that they are all society's products. There must be a proportion who are just born fucked up, otherwise there would have been a fundamental shift in the specific sicknesses of the core group of scumbags. By that I mean, that while each time has it's killers d'heure, which are no doubt made by that which surrounds them[1], there is a long running line of rapists, and yer basic no-regard-for-life killers of opporunity. Where all fuckups a product of society, there would not be a running thread of identical behavior, but rather a more dynamic and evolving history os assholes, as we find with the first subset described above.

[1] It may be argued as well, though I do not know how convincingly, that this group of people would actually turn out bad in any society, but with specifics drawn from that environment.

As to the death penalty......

Premise A: Killers are evil, and should be punished. Premise B: The death penalty is a just way to remove those who murder. Premise C: Execution is the just killing of the guilty. Premise D: Murder is unjust the killing of the innocent. Premise E: execution is carried out by the state in the name, and with the specific consent of, the people.

Conclusion, if just one innocent human has been fried, paralysed or gassed in your state, you are a murderer and should be executed, no ifs, ands or buts.

well in this country murder is legally defined as the unlawful killing of a human being during the queens peace

guess if its the same in the states then if the death sentence has been passed it's not unlawful & therefore not murder.

oldmonkey wrote: Today I learnt that I had been betrayed by someone I trusted the most. A happy christmas it won't be.

I feel sorry for you. My only advice, try to learn something newer to keep your mind busy...

Doctor? wrote: I'd disagree that they are all society's products. There must be a proportion who are just born fucked up, otherwise there would have been a fundamental shift in the specific sicknesses of the core group of scumbags. By that I mean, that while each time has it's killers d'heure, which are no doubt made by that which surrounds them[1], there is a long running line of rapists, and yer basic no-regard-for-life killers of opporunity. Where all fuckups a product of society, there would not be a running thread of identical behavior, but rather a more dynamic and evolving history os assholes, as we find with the first subset described above.

[1] It may be argued as well, though I do not know how convincingly, that this group of people would actually turn out bad in any society, but with specifics drawn from that environment.

I'd go further to mention that those that have a difficulty assimilating into society also live off that same society. We have so many programs that support and ensure that these individuals not only keep breathing, but keep breeding as well. I'm under the belief that almost all kids are born about equal in potential... it's the parents and other adults that screw them up. Each has potential to overcome these issues and be helped, but after a certian age/mindset they are set in their ways. The best thing for society is to get rid of these individuals so they don't affect any children. (as MIMX likes to say: Won't somebody think of the children!)

As to the death penalty......

Premise A: Killers are evil, and should be punished. Premise B: The death penalty is a just way to remove those who murder. Premise C: Execution is the just killing of the guilty. Premise D: Murder is unjust the killing of the innocent. Premise E: execution is carried out by the state in the name, and with the specific consent of, the people.

Conclusion, if just one innocent human has been fried, paralysed or gassed in your state, you are a murderer and should be executed, no ifs, ands or buts.

You forgot premise F: Stiff and harsh punishment will hopefully deter others from commiting similar crimes.

People are constantly complaining about the lack of healthcare system, social security, and schooling. Yet we waste billions of dollars everyday feeding, housing, and conducting retrials for individuals that can't be trusted in society. Many of these have been proven unable to change their ways (i.e. child molesters). If released in society, they will only taint more children and screw them up for life... if we house them its a waste of money.

As for your last sentance, that is why we set aside the death penalty for those that are proven to be guilty without a doubt, and have been proven within a court of law that they are a burden to society.
and before people start whipping out examples of innocent people that have been executed, that is very unfortunate and I truely hope it doesn't happen again. But that does not mean we should lay down and allow for diseased people to drain and taint our society.

Yes, I've seen "Taxi Driver" as well.

Someday a real rain's gonna come....

oldmonkey wrote: Today I learnt that I had been betrayed by someone I trusted the most. A happy christmas it won't be.

Digi Mike not sent you something he promised? He's a bugger ain't he

Well Edel I shake my head.

Remove and eliminate all those who are different and sick. That has been tried before.

You would have fit in well in NAZI Germany.

Frankly I'm astounded that an educated person can advocate or even entertain such sentiments.

You have moved far to the right of the Republicans. I suggest you have a good look at the values that your country was founded on and the the values you fought for. I. E. Declaration of Independence and you Constitution.

A more correct translation of the Commandment is, "Though shalt not Murder". I contend that the taking of any human life when not defending oneself is murder.

Now on Christmas Morning in Oz, Peace to all humanity.

Ron, I think that is a large leap to say getting rid of the unchangable that hurt society (murders, rapists, etc.) is like the 'cleansing' that the Nazis tried to do.

So you prefer to keep these people alive and ding healthcare for law abiding citezens?

EdelBrock wrote: Ron, I think that is a large leap to say getting rid of the unchangable that hurt society (murders, rapists, etc.) is like the 'cleansing' that the Nazis tried to do.

So you prefer to keep these people alive and ding healthcare for law abiding citezens?

You said this about society.

"I'd go further to mention that those that have a difficulty assimilating into society also live off that same society. We have so many programs that support and ensure that these individuals not only keep breathing, but keep breeding as well. I'm under the belief that almost all kids are born about equal in potential... it's the parents and other adults that screw them up. Each has potential to overcome these issues and be helped, but after a certian age/mindset they are set in their ways. The best thing for society is to get rid of these individuals so they don't affect any children. (as MIMX likes to say: Won't somebody think of the children!)"

That is pure NAZI. You had better think about what you want your country to become. The kind of people who advocated the above policies also don't think very highly of mixed-race marriages and their results. Yes, that is the next logical step with your line of thinking.

Perhaps you are learning something now.

Over and out from me on this. It is Christmas.

Ron, I'm talking about a death penalty for people that CHOSE to commit heinous crimes that destroy lives... the type of destruction that impacts society only negatively. These are people clearly beyond help and change... there is absolutely NO purpose for them in society...

Inter-racial marriages might be chosen, but the people still impact positively to society... ethnicity (and to some extent religon) is not chosen, it is what they are born with, and this doesn't stop a positive impact on society.

I know clearly what the Founding Fathers intended for the country and I stand firmly behind those ideals.

The death penalty might make a stomach turn, but what other purpose do these criminals of atrocities have to benefit society? The longer they live, the more they are a drain on regular, law-abiding people.

I'm not advocating to kill all criminals, just those that there is no other recourse for....

oh, and Merry Christmas (it's still afternoon on Christmas eve here.....)

...wow, I learned in this thread how quickly this thread turned awfully political. That's a whole other damn thread altogether!!

Side note:

oldmonkey wrote: Today I learnt that I had been betrayed by someone I trusted the most. A happy christmas it won't be.

Hang on and in there, Tim. Just, hang on in there.

oldmonkey wrote: Today I learnt that I had been betrayed by someone I trusted the most. A happy christmas it won't be.

Chin up mate

i learnt today that if adolf hitler had conquered britain he would have made edinburgh one of his headquaters-he had a vision of the nazis marching along princes street with the castle in the background-(adi amin had a similiar dream)

edinburgh got off fairly lightly during the bombings because of this apparently

Gazman wrote: Chin up mate

One of the cleanest Best Lines. Pity, real shame when its use is called on.

bobmo wrote: i learnt today that if adolf hitler had conquered britain he would have made edinburgh one of his headquaters-he had a vision of the nazis marching along princes street with the castle in the background-(adi amin had a similiar dream)

edinburgh got off fairly lightly during the bombings because of this apparently

I heard a similar thing about Oxford.

I didn't believe it, mind you, but I did hear it.

I learned a principle in Daoism:

*To respond to good with good - brings good. *To respond to evil with evil - brings good. *To respond to evil with good - brings evil. *To respond to good with evil - brings evil.

I'm sorry if that doesn't sound smooth. I translated it from Chinese. A bit game theory moral. I practiced it already in my family yesterday.

Today I re-learnt that people will believe any old pile of horseshit as long as it allows them to go on behaving abysmally towards others!

Arrrrrrrgh!

I learnt I didn't have to go to work tomorrow!! YESS!!!

...but that does NOT excuse me from tomorrow's Crew Trainer Meeting, this I already know. ;)

Crew? FFS ths USS Mackie Dee's

Today (well yesterday....£40 fine payable to biggie I suppose for ruined the thread), I learned that a thing I read about in books when I was 5, project Orion, is supposedly a really secret thing that only now can be partially discussed, having been defunct since Kennedy signed the nuke testing treaty.

If you want to know the score then, read kids science books.

Doctor? wrote: ...(well yesterday....£40 fine payable to biggie I suppose for ruined the thread)...

...If you want to know the score then, read kids science books.....

I did learn something today (an a day's a long time when yer a fucking insomniac) some shit to day way parrots, but that short term memory loss is a killer!

Talking of fucking up threads, it's Fred Killer! So...

Today the Doctor? learned that Getafix! does indeed read weans science books...

as well as the wans fir the big boys...

People who are mean towards you are maybe just jealous of the person you are, jealous of all the good things you do, the great experiences you live, ...

Genevieve! wrote: People who are mean towards you are maybe just jealous of the person you are, jealous of all the good things you do, the great experiences you live, ...

Then again, pehaps people who are nice to you; are just trying to get your knickers off (Eh? And that would be...?

...a good day! )

(I'll go away now to learn somethimg...Solly...)

Gettwofrox! wrote:

Then again, pehaps people who are nice to you; are just trying to get your knickers off (Eh? And that would be...?

Huh...maybe not my closest friends but maybe some other people around me...Ich weiss nicht!

Something new I learnt today: I love that smiley.

Today I learned that the New POS [Point of Sale] System is also a very POS [Piece of Sh!t] system--it crashed in the middle of breakfast rush this morning! FCUK!!

Chris Nash wrote: I just learned that Jenn had to count on her fingers. When she sold six Big Macs, she had to take her sneakers off... at breakfast time too!

Just be thankful you don't have to deal with what I did today.

I learned that WhatABurger was started in Corpus Christi, TX and they still have their headquarters over here.