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Because alcohol is a drug, one far more toxic and debilitating than heroin.

Therefor, stating "I am anti-drugs" means either....

A. "I am against alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, paracetamol...." or B. "I'm an idiot and what I MEANT to say was "I think our country's lawmakers have made perfect decisions for me, regarding what is safe for me to ingest, and am therefor opposed to the use of all drugs deemed ilegal at this point in history""

The last person who tried to start a fight with you, or force his hand up yer jumper..... drunk or stoned?

EDIT: I think people assume such views imply a god delusion in the individual, because the same kind of logicless acceptance is required.

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No-one's ever tried to start a fight with me, although I have seen people completely change personality (for the worse) when they're stoned. They stumble round the house giggling and disappear up themselves, not wanting to talk to anyone. For the record, the people in question are perfectly fine when they've been drinking, they just become exaggerated versions of their normal selves.

Another thing is that when you're drinking, you pretty much know what effect it's going to have on you and you can take steps to stop it, or at least limit the damage (e.g. by having water between boozy drinks, which is what I do). You can't do that with drugs; once they're in your system you can't stop what they're going to do to you. That's why I don't touch them; the way I see it, it's too risky. But that's just me, I guess.

EDIT: Funny you should mention god delusions; that's my favourite book! :)

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Miss Disco wrote: Another thing is that when you're drinking, you pretty much know what effect it's going to have on you and you can take steps to stop it, or at least limit the damage (e.g. by having water between boozy drinks, which is what I do). You can't do that with drugs; once they're in your system you can't stop what they're going to do to you. That's why I don't touch them; the way I see it, it's too risky. But that's just me, I guess.

Eh? That makes no sense whatsoever.

You drink. You know what effect it has on you.

You take drugs. You don't.

Surely, on either subject you only know what effect either has on you from personal experience.

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Miss Disco wrote:

Nick King wrote:

Edd wrote: Am I the only person who thinks that, ironically, Billion Dollar's rather unpleasant stance on this might be softened if he was to have a wee smoke himself?

No, you're not the only one - he probably doesn't drink either, so the best you're going to get him to do is to drink a glass of water! :spit:

:smoking:

Sorry to drag up an old thread but this reminds me of a question that's been puzzling me for a wee while: why do people assume that if you're anti-drugs, you don't drink and/or are religious? Personally, I think using drugs is a very silly (not to mention pointless) thing to do and I worry about the health of people who choose to do them. However, I like a drink at the weekend and I hate religion. So why can't some people see that this kind of world view is possible? I don't get it.

I dont understand why you say using drugs is 'pointless', yet you say you use alcohol??

Surely both have, pretty much, the same purpose? To change your mood?

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I don't drink or use drugs, and I still think Grooverider's sentence is a travesty. Yes, it's illegal to bring drugs into Dubai, and yes, he should have known. All that aside, the sentence is out of all proportion to the offense, and that is what's upset people posting here. I doubt there'd be any discussion here if the news had read simply "Grooverider ordered to pay £100 fine."

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Comrade Shampanyov wrote: I don't drink or use drugs, and I still think Grooverider's sentence is a travesty. Yes, it's illegal to bring drugs into Dubai, and yes, he should have known. All that aside, the sentence is out of all proportion to the offense, and that is what's upset people posting here. I doubt there'd be any discussion here if the news had read simply "Grooverider ordered to pay £100 fine."

Indeed! :clap:

:smoking:

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Miss Disco wrote: No-one's ever tried to start a fight with me, although I have seen people completely change personality (for the worse) when they're stoned. They stumble round the house giggling and disappear up themselves, not wanting to talk to anyone. For the record, the people in question are perfectly fine when they've been drinking, they just become exaggerated versions of their normal selves.

Another thing is that when you're drinking, you pretty much know what effect it's going to have on you and you can take steps to stop it, or at least limit the damage (e.g. by having water between boozy drinks, which is what I do). You can't do that with drugs; once they're in your system you can't stop what they're going to do to you. That's why I don't touch them; the way I see it, it's too risky. But that's just me, I guess.

EDIT: Funny you should mention god delusions; that's my favourite book! :)

I take your point about "once it's in you, yer stuck with it", certainly true for E's and acid and shrooms, there's no getting back if you change your mind. But then, there is also no way to sober up, OOOOh people will tell you lots of coffee and so on, but tell that to the police when they stop you and you make the wrong light come on when you breath.

The thing is, that the legal status of drugs (and you seem to be basing good and bad on whether or not they're legal...ie taxable), is a manmade, temporary situation. 50 years ago, weed was legal in the UK. 30 years ago E was legal in the USA, you bought it at the local chemist (I always wondered why they call them drug stores), and got a little flight guide with it to suggest fun things to do whilst bolloxed).

BTW do you know the lethal dose of cannabis?

A 20KG block dropped on the head from 50ft.

I've always liked a smoke. Used to like a drink, but last night's the first time I've been blocked in 2 years. Partly cos all the meds have left my body in no state to cope with the stuff, but also, every really good bit of trouble I've gotten into, and every really reprehensible thing I've ever done, was while steamin. The moral of that tale is that alcohol is a bad drug, FOR ME. But it's good for you, so should I have it made illegal because of it's effects on me?

Actually in the last few years I have also found that medical weed smokers are not just trying it on. The painkillers I'm on (which are an opoid, and a controlled substance....why? not because they are dangerous...the typical lethal dose is 2-3g (40 to 60 tablets, which you wouldn't keep down anyway), whereas the lethal dose of paracetamol is considerably less than the amount contained in all but the smallest packs available in the paper shop, NOPE, it's a controlled substance cos you can get out of yer head on it...you think weed makes you insular? try 3 years of these bad boys)....anyway, the pills, as soon as they are down my throat, they're trying to crawl back out, but if I have a little smoke, it goes away in a flash, much as I have heard Chemo and AZT patients say it does. Obvious;y I can't get hammered in work, so very often if I need to take painkllers, I've got my head down the bog an hour later losing them again.

You live in Town and nobody's ever tried to start a fight with you??????????? I must just have "thump me" tatooed on me bonce.

Anyway, the point is, each to their own. Do what works for you, avoid what doesn't. Obviously that goes only as far as being a proper addict, be it a junkie or a wino, who fucks over everyone around them, then you're a dick and the sooner you OD or shit your liver out the better ;)

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I don't do drugs and don't drink much, but I also think Dubai's drug policies are a bit mental.

More shocking than drug abuse, though, is"BilliONDollar"'s abuse of the English language. Ironically, he writes like someone on some particularly fine drugs.

(And his random capitalization lacks Rocket Mick's style and panache)

(If his first language isn't English, I retract the above).

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It really depends on the drug. Cannibus and Marijuana shouldn't be illegal. I don't do them and have no desire to, but too much of the population does it regardless of the laws. So in essence the people say it shouldn't be illegal, but the government is making criminals out of them. We spend too much money on fighting this and its as pointless as prohibition.

That being said, hard drugs should be illegal. The type that decapitate one's life and make them useless hulks of flesh after their first hit and for their entire future. Not for moral reasons, but because they end up on welfare, we pay for their hospital bills, and they end up doing alot of crime to aquire said drugs.

People need to get off the moral standpoint and start looking at it from a cost-effective standpoint, then it starts to make all the sense in the world.:nod:

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EdelBrock wrote: That being said, hard drugs should be illegal. The type that decapitate one's life and make them useless hulks of flesh after their first hit and for their entire future. Not for moral reasons, but because they end up on welfare, we pay for their hospital bills, and they end up doing alot of crime to aquire said drugs.

Bit naïve on some points there. I presume you're talking about H but shirley the 'hard' drugs in most widespread use (certainly in the Ukay) are ecstasy and cocaine. Neither of which 'decapitate one's life'. And you certainly don't end up on welfare or doing crime to acquire them. In fact didn't Elton John (spit) claim that cocaine was God's way of saying you've got too much money? Which is the bipolar opposite of what you're stating. :shrug:

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The fact is, Dubai has been in the process of reinventing itself as a tourist destination. However, not a tourist destination like, say, Amsterdam. But, one with distinctly upper class, Muslim-Arab sensibilities.

Hence, our intrepid traveler found himself in the tenuous position of being a black man in possesion of drugs.

I certainly don't agree with 4 frakking years for a couple of joints. He might get a ticket for that here. But, personal responsiblity has to start somewhere. Dude should have been aware of the lay of the land. That's why I don't so much as pack aspirin when I travel to Mexico. There are too many gringos in Mexican jails for the same or less than Mr. Grooverider had on him.

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El Jarvo wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: That being said, hard drugs should be illegal. The type that decapitate one's life and make them useless hulks of flesh after their first hit and for their entire future. Not for moral reasons, but because they end up on welfare, we pay for their hospital bills, and they end up doing alot of crime to aquire said drugs.

Bit naïve on some points there. I presume you're talking about H but shirley the 'hard' drugs in most widespread use (certainly in the Ukay) are ecstasy and cocaine. Neither of which 'decapitate one's life'. And you certainly don't end up on welfare or doing crime to acquire them. In fact didn't Elton John (spit) claim that cocaine was God's way of saying you've got too much money? Which is the bipolar opposite of what you're stating. :shrug:

Crack, PCP, Herione, and the others that people become slaves to and wreaks havoc on the body's system. Cocaine would be on the limb as possibly being linked to these, because today it is for rich people, since it is illegal. Make it legal and the price goes down, making it accessable to the public.

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EdelBrock wrote: Crack, PCP, Herione, and the others that people become slaves to and wreaks havoc on the body's system. Cocaine would be on the limb as possibly being linked to these, because today it is for rich people, since it is illegal. Make it legal and the price goes down, making it accessable to the public.

Blimey! Must be dead rough where you live! :eek3:

What percentage of people take any of the aforementioned though? Crack? PCP? Heroine? Surely all very much minority drugs?

Compare that with the number of people who think nothing of doing the odd line or pill of a weekend. And who aren't bleeding the welfare system dry. Nor will doubtless ever do so as a result of doing charlie or an E.

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Dammit! I hate the 'time-out' on this site. Was responding back Jarvo, but the shit has disappeared. I'll respond back when I've cooled off and am willing to repeat myself.

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Page last updated at 16:40 GMT, Thursday, 4 September 2008 17:40 UK

Grooverider released from prison

Radio 1 DJ Grooverider has been released from prison in Dubai after serving 10 months for possessing drugs.

The DJ, whose real name is Raymond Bingham, was in the middle of a four-year sentence.

But he has been let out early after being pardoned by the Dubai Royal Family. He has flown back to the UK to spend time with family and friends.

The DJ was originally arrested on 23 November 2007 after being caught with 2.16 grams of cannabis at the airport.

At the time Bingham said the drugs were in the pocket of a pair of trousers and he had forgotten about them. He was handed a four year sentence in February.

Grooverider co-presented a weekend drum & bass show on the station.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/entertainment/newsid_7598000/7598831.stm

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