What is New Order's most overrated song?

Gee, I think it has to do with Mondays....:D

temptation and confusion

Originally posted by anita temptation and confusion

Wow.....two songs I love. Oh well, everyone's entitled to their opinion ( )

Blue Monday is overrated, but i cannot think of any others that are overrated

Originally posted by One Brain > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> Gee, I think it has to do with Mondays....:D

That's what I tought at first, but that's an overplayed song, not an overrated one. "Blue Monday" was innovative, groundbreaking and the original version still sounds fresh. Of course everybody here is tired of this song, but it doesn't mean it's overrated.

An overrated song? True Faith. True Faith is their second best song, behind Temptation. Blue Monday is an overrated song. It's a rather good song, but it it nowhere near their best work

Bizaare Love Triangle! It's the only NO song my mentally destuted peers know of!

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell Bizaare Love Triangle! It's the only NO song my mentally destuted peers know of!

Angelinos usually know of Blue Monday because of Orgy; none of my friends when I lived in the Valley knew who NO were, except for one friend who loved True Faith

I have no doubts myself that the answer is TPK...

blue monday, confusion and thats about it really as far as i can remember. world in motion as well, its over-rated by non new order fans perhaps?

Originally posted by Jeff White so let me see if I get this right...blue monday is overrated because of Orgy's wretched cover???that's some slightly flawed logic...!

That's not what I said; I think it's overrated because the musical quality is not as good as my favorite songs: "True Faith", "Temptation", "Vanishing Point", "EGG", and "Age of Consent"

Originally posted by Jeff White > Originally posted by World in Commotion > Originally posted by Jeff White> so let me see if I get this right...blue monday is overrated because of Orgy's wretched cover???> > that's some slightly flawed logic...> > !

That's not what I said; I think it's overrated because the musical quality is not as good as my favorite songs: "True Faith", "Temptation", "Vanishing Point", "EGG", and "Age of Consent"

oops...may I remove my foot from my mouth in that case??? you can take the shit away from the badger instead

Originally posted by Jeff White it's a skunk, no? :p

... damn Trevor for bringing up the issue

Ceremony, Thieves Like Us, Confusion, 1963, Temptation, et al.

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope Ceremony, Thieves Like Us, Confusion, 1963, Temptation, et al.

Temptation, Ceremony, 1963

Temptation is ok, but seems to be a tad repetative after while...Regret is great, but seems to have worn thin on me....

Please don't hurt me...

Without a shadow of a doubt, True Faith. Bland. Poppy. For me the watershed after which NO lost all consistency (with the honourable exception of Technique).

taking a risk here; Al's probably gonna send a second lot of assassins but I have to say : REGRET

CONFUSION is the one that baffled me for years.Although i have warmed to it lately with the numerous versions i have listened to and bought.But i used to think this was way OVER-RATED!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick CONFUSION is the one that baffled me for years.Although i have warmed to it lately with the numerous versions i have listened to and bought.But i used to think this was way OVER-RATED!

I quite agree. In particular the 87 version is a non-song.

(Koma & Bones versions are nicely crunchy though!)

These days, I find myself skipping right through TBTHOG, though I played it to death upon its release.

World in Motion - incrompehensible popularity to anyone outside of England

Thieves Like Us and Everythings Gone Green

Confusion again.

Easy - "Blue Monday". Like I said in a post last week on another topic, I agree it is one of the most historically important songs of the 80's for bringing new styles to the forefront on the dance floor in particular. Listening to it today, though, it's quite simple and musically / melodically underdevolped to my ears. Not that I dislike it, or anything, I guess. It does bother me when I go to 80's nights at clubs and it's guaranteed that "Blue Monday" will show up before they close. At least BLT and LWTUA are almost as guaranteed!

In case I didn't get the message over first time:

True Faith

F*****g dull, bland, poppy sh**e.

Originally posted by Drep Hemarsarkus blue monday, confusion and thats about it really as far as i can remember. world in motion as well, its over-rated by non new order fans perhaps?

Or those not from England.It was cool in its day.

Its got to be Blue Monday its played at every gig and its best left out of the set to make way for something else even though it was the first New Order single I ever bought at the tender age of 13.

Personally, I think New Order themselves vastly over-rated '60 miles an hour' as being good enough to be released as a single.

Otherwise, I've never understood the the appeal of 'Confusion'; it bears none of the NO hallmarks and it's just, eh, Confusion. The remixes don't do much for it either.

To say that 'Blue Monday' or 'True Faith' are over-rated is heresy. I agree with Spotnick that the mixes for 'Blue Monday' continuously reinvigorate the song (as do those for 'True Faith' - in fact I think 'True Faith' is my favourite song - ever!)

Originally posted by Martin Fenner Personally, I think New Order themselves vastly over-rated '60 miles an hour' as being good enough to be released as a single.

I agree totally. Very weak choice. But then, they could have released "Slow Jam"...

Do you think they pick their own singles or do faceless record company execs do it for them?

Hmm, possibly "The Perfect Kiss". Top song, but there are others I prefer.

BLT

Originally posted by twist BLT

Any particular version of BLT?!

Originally posted by Some Distant Memory Hmm, possibly "The Perfect Kiss". Top song, but there are others I prefer.

nope...no way...uh-uh. The 12" version of TPK is a true masterpiece.

My vote goes for Crystal...never did care much for this one.

Originally posted by Tracey Spivey > Originally posted by Some Distant Memory> Hmm, possibly "The Perfect Kiss". Top song, but there are others I prefer.

nope...no way...uh-uh. The 12" version of TPK is a true masterpiece.

My vote goes for Crystal...never did care much for this one.

Personally I'd pick "Crystal" over "TPK". Aren't opinions just great? :D

Originally posted by Some Distant Memory > Originally posted by Tracey Spivey> > > > Originally posted by Some Distant Memory> > Hmm, possibly "The Perfect Kiss". Top song, but there are others I prefer.>

nope...no way...uh-uh. The 12" version of TPK is a true masterpiece.

My vote goes for Crystal...never did care much for this one.

Personally I'd pick "Crystal" over "TPK". Aren't opinions just great? :D

Well said.

Difficult one to call, this, as various songs have gone in and out of my faves over a period of time.

I've never had the affection for True Faith that some people seem to have, though. Vanishing Point is another one that I don't rate as highly as some. This is quite different to "most hated" though, isn't it ?

Thieves Like Us. i've never liked it much.

Originally posted by Geri taking a risk here; Al's probably gonna send a second lot of assassins but I have to say : REGRET

agreed. i don't mind it but i was a bit disappointed when it came out. i think its just ok but i'm glad they play it live because it gives me a chance to grab a piss

There are a few:

Blue Monday - cos i'm sick to fucking death of hearing it and countless different versions/parodies/etc of it.

Dream Attack - i dunno why so many people think this is their finest tune, I find it really bland and unimaginative.

True Faith - great pop song - if a little too obvious. BUT the reason I nominate it is cos it suffers from the same re-re-re-re-re-re-re-release syndrome as BM.

Let's Go instrumental - it's badly produced for a start. I prefer the vocal version that came out in 1995 as part of the 1963 single but I know many people hate it.

Crystal - it's pretty ordinary really, isn't it?

New Order are just sooo popular aren't they. I mean their songs get played non-stop on the Radio, and everbody whistles along with True Faith.

Not so, sorry. There are no overrated NO songs. You could ask what their worst songs are. Ah no yes well hasn't that been done a few times.

For my meaning at overrrated look at Creed.

Cheers

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell Bizaare Love Triangle! It's the only NO song my mentally destuted peers know of!

Thats exactly how I feel!

Without a doubt for me... Temptation It's a fantastic song, but I'm certainly over it. _

Edward

Originally posted by Roonaldo There are a few:Blue Monday - cos i'm sick to fucking death of hearing it and countless different versions/parodies/etc of it.Dream Attack - i dunno why so many people think this is their finest tune, I find it really bland and unimaginative.True Faith - great pop song - if a little too obvious. BUT the reason I nominate it is cos it suffers from the same re-re-re-re-re-re-re-release syndrome as BM.Let's Go instrumental - it's badly produced for a start. I prefer the vocal version that came out in 1995 as part of the 1963 single but I know many people hate it.Crystal - it's pretty ordinary really, isn't it?

that's 4 out of 5 of the reasons I listen to New Order. I actually agree with you on the other one.

Touched By The Hand Of God in my opinion It's a too easy song. Music not balanced, lyrics are poor. And making a song about a cheating goal.. is this all there is ? A lot of people love this easy listing song, so overrated for me.

TPK, easily. Boring track.

Originally posted by Bizarre Keyboard Player TPK, easily. Boring track.

TPK is anything but boring, maybe the album version is not great, but TPK is hardly boring

TPK isn't boring. There's much more in this song you didn't hear easely.

1963 - it just always seemed dull and I always skip over it. Fine time - why was this ever put as the first track on Technique? At least Dream Attack closes the album. Why do people dislike Confusion so much? I actually think that the '87 version makes a swell dance track. Speaking of mixes, does anyone think that "Shame of the nation" sounds a lot like the theme from Ghostbusters? Or is it just me? I heard it played in a club on Halloween and I immediately thought that shame of the nation sounded quite similar.

Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch New Order are just sooo popular aren't they. I mean their songs get played non-stop on the Radio, and everbody whistles along with True Faith.

Not so, sorry. There are no overrated NO songs.

well said. I mean who besides this board/fans actually rates New Order songs. OK, maybe the band. Like Tim, I've never understood the infatuation with Vanishing Point. It's probably my least favorite track on Technique. I also think the band overestimates the inclusuion of tbthog in their live set. dull as shit in my opinion.

It was a minor hit from memory. It didn't do anywhere near as well as it should have, of for that matter BLT which got to no 5, and is the Order's best placing in OZ. The trouble with most of NO's so called hit songs is that they were so song ago. People who are not dedicated fans have simply forgotten those songs. I think it would be fair to say that 95% of the OZ population have no idea of who New Order are and of the remaining 5%, 3% think New Order are some overdated wankoid electo/disco outfit. Not my opinion by the way.

I don't know how things are in the UK, but I imagine they are not much better. Your total number of fans is greater because of your greater population.

Personally I like almost all New Order songs. Fine Time would be overrated if more people actually liked it. But what I gather from the forum most people here don't Really like it either. (I have grown to like the live version on Retro a bit great wall shaking base when turned up loud).

It was a minor hit from memory. It didn't do anywhere near as well as it should have, of for that matter BLT which got to no 5, and is the Order's best placing in OZ. The trouble with most of NO's so called hit songs is that they were so song ago. People who are not dedicated fans have simply forgotten those songs. I think it would be fair to say that 95% of the OZ population have no idea of who New Order are and of the remaining 5%, 3% think New Order are some overdated wankoid electo/disco outfit. Not my opinion by the way.

I don't know how things are in the UK, but I imagine they are not much better. Your total number of fans is greater because of your greater population.

Personally I like almost all New Order songs. Fine Time would be overrated if more people actually liked it. But what I gather from the forum most people here don't Really like it either. (I have grown to like the live version on Retro a bit great wall shaking base when turned up loud).

It was a minor hit from memory. It didn't do anywhere near as well as it should have, of for that matter BLT which got to no 5, and is the Order's best placing in OZ. The trouble with most of NO's so called hit songs is that they were so song ago. People who are not dedicated fans have simply forgotten those songs. I think it would be fair to say that 95% of the OZ population have no idea of who New Order are and of the remaining 5%, 3% think New Order are some overdated wankoid electo/disco outfit. Not my opinion by the way.

I don't know how things are in the UK, but I imagine they are not much better. Your total number of fans is greater because of your greater population.

Personally I like almost all New Order songs. Fine Time would be overrated if more people actually liked it. But what I gather from the forum most people here don't Really like it either. (I have grown to like the live version on Retro a bit great wall shaking base when turned up loud).

I always thought Fine Time was at least 50% piss-take anyway, and the fact that it kicks of "Technique" is just wonderful - it sounds so out of place its untrue.

And re: a message further up the board - the (wo)man who is tired of 'Temptation' is tired of life!!!

The whole Confusion/TLU phase sounds to me like they had just ran out of ideas after PCL - I can never understand why people like those 2. Confusion in particular is just a mess, it sounds totally dated with every early 80s dance cliche possible thrown in. The resulting beast just lies on its back and twitches its many legs aimlessly in the air, devoid of energy and impetus.

More recently, Here To Stay - lightweight inconsequential froth.

Originally posted by Sound of Confusion The whole Confusion/TLU phase sounds to me like they had just ran out of ideas after PCL - I can never understand why people like those 2. Confusion in particular is just a mess, it sounds totally dated with every early 80s dance cliche possible thrown in. The resulting beast just lies on its back and twitches its many legs aimlessly in the air, devoid of energy and impetus.More recently, Here To Stay - lightweight inconsequential froth.

"Thieves Like Us" is perfect, surely?!?!?! Though 'Confusion' never made any sense to me until Reading '98, when just about everything seemed to make sense.....

Good to see we have Spacemen 3 fans in our midst, though!

'Touched By The Hand Of God' is overrated and seems to be a popular song among casual NO listeners, more than once in a CD store I've heard people raving about this song but they didn't know who the artist was, I think they just saw the 'Bon Jovi' wigged video on MTV and thought it was cool. I think they'd obviously be blown away by other much better NO stuff if they'd bothered to find out more about the band...

Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch It was a minor hit from memory. It didn't do anywhere near as well as it should have, of for that matter BLT which got to no 5, and is the Order's best placing in OZ. The trouble with most of NO's so called hit songs is that they were so song ago. People who are not dedicated fans have simply forgotten those songs. I think it would be fair to say that 95% of the OZ population have no idea of who New Order are and of the remaining 5%, 3% think New Order are some overdated wankoid electo/disco outfit. Not my opinion by the way.I don't know how things are in the UK, but I imagine they are not much better. Your total number of fans is greater because of your greater population.Personally I like almost all New Order songs. Fine Time would be overrated if more people actually liked it. But what I gather from the forum most people here don't Really like it either. (I have grown to like the live version on Retro a bit great wall shaking base when turned up loud).

Fine Time is actually one of my favorite New Order songs! :)

Originally posted by good / good / good / good / double good. > Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch> It was a minor hit from memory. It didn't do anywhere near as well as it should have, of for that matter BLT which got to no 5, and is the Order's best placing in OZ. The trouble with most of NO's so called hit songs is that they were so song ago. People who are not dedicated fans have simply forgotten those songs. I think it would be fair to say that 95% of the OZ population have no idea of who New Order are and of the remaining 5%, 3% think New Order are some overdated wankoid electo/disco outfit. Not my opinion by the way.> > I don't know how things are in the UK, but I imagine they are not much better. Your total number of fans is greater because of your greater population.> > Personally I like almost all New Order songs. Fine Time would be overrated if more people actually liked it. But what I gather from the forum most people here don't Really like it either. (I have grown to like the live version on Retro a bit great wall shaking base when turned up loud).

Fine Time is actually one of my favorite New Order songs! :)

me too!!! in fact I think it's underrated!!!

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch> > I don't know how things are in the UK, but I imagine they are not much better. Your total number of fans is greater because of your greater population.

Interesting to note that BLT made no.5 in Oz. I never knew that. It was one of New Order's flops over here, making maybe no.60 or something.

I don't agree with that theory, regarding population. New Order are still huge over here. Our population is only, what, twice? two and a half times? the size of yours but the number of New Order fans goes off the scale in comparison. They've had a no.1 single here, and four further singles which went top 5. Even the likes of Ceremony, EGG and Temptation all went top 40. New Order are an institution here, part of the nation's psyche. And that increased exposure breeds a different kind of 'fan' too. Less melodrama and theory, more realism and grit.

Point taken, New Order unfortunately aren't a national institution in Oz. There certainly was a lack of exposure for the last 10 years over here. Last year's tour may have helped things, but I haven't seen much improvement in their popularity, other than that BLT is played every now and again as a 80s flashback on commercial radio.

I do have a Q magazine where it states something like NO must be thanking their lucky stars for their 3000 loyal fans in the UK, after GetReady quickly slipped in the charts after its first week, so perhaps even in the UK they aren't as popular as they used to be.

Cheers

Our population is about 18 million at present, that makes it about a third of the UK if my figures are anywhere near right.

I looked at that Q magazine again. It looks like I was wrong at least about the UK. GetReady got to no 6 and sold something like 33000 in its first few weeks. That's quite good for the Order.

I looked at that Q magazine again. It looks like I was wrong at least about the UK. GetReady got to no 6 and sold something like 33000 in its first few weeks. That's quite good for the Order.

Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch > Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch> > I don't know how things are in the UK, but I imagine they are not much better. Your total number of fans is greater because of your greater population.

Interesting to note that BLT made no.5 in Oz. I never knew that. It was one of New Order's flops over here, making maybe no.60 or something.

I don't agree with that theory, regarding population. New Order are still huge over here. Our population is only, what, twice? two and a half times? the size of yours but the number of New Order fans goes off the scale in comparison. They've had a no.1 single here, and four further singles which went top 5. Even the likes of Ceremony, EGG and Temptation all went top 40. New Order are an institution here, part of the nation's psyche. And that increased exposure breeds a different kind of 'fan' too. Less melodrama and theory, more realism and grit.

Our population is about 18 million at present, that makes it about a third of the UK if my figures are anywhere near right.

There's about ten million Aussies in London by the looks of it round here !

There's probably the same amount of Poms over here. More now with the Rugby World Cup. So, we are even