who is the better dancer

As a result of a prvious thread the pope put it to me to start this poll. Both Barney and Ian have a very interesting dance. I always claim Barney to be my dance teacher. :) is that for e?

My humble apologies for not putting this in the polls section. Next time.

Originally posted by Ronald Kirsch My humble apologies for not putting this in the polls section. Next time.

Don't bother. No one would ever see it in the polls page.

Don't we need a "neither, they were/are both shite" option here ?

Ian was trying to mimic an epileptic fit on stage, and boy did he succeed.

Barney is trying to stand up on stage.

Ian's Dead Fly Dance

Biased as I always am, I voted for...well, you know who. ;)

I prefer Steve's syle...

Rob Gretton shows great form in the Retro booklet.

IAN was the best...BARNEY the funniest!

Big ups to Barney for the slow-mo-fart thing. You know the one - one leg in the air, turning slowly while making a goon face.

Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle Don't we need a "neither, they were/are both shite" option here ?Ian was trying to mimic an epileptic fit on stage, and boy did he succeed.Barney is trying to stand up on stage.

Mimic?

Barney's dancing from BLT on 5 11 was pure gold. Ian has nothing on him.

Barney (comic relief)

Originally posted by One Brain Hello. I'm the guy who spoils the fun of the thread starter saying "we already have done this before". :pwho's the better dancer? (sorry if this has been done.)

And Ricardo also konws all the phone numbers of Sao Paulo city, including e-mails and other "very" important details...

Originally posted by One Brain > Originally posted by Mauricio Laranjeira> > > > Originally posted by One Brain> > Hello. I'm the guy who spoils the fun of the thread starter saying "we already have done this before". :p> > > > who's the better dancer? (sorry if this has been done.)>

And Ricardo also konws all the phone numbers of Sao Paulo city, including e-mails and other "very" important details... Yes, the local telephony company has a quite decent search engine in its website.

But of course you don't need to use it, as you have all the number in your head !!

Ricardo, what about the show of ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN ?

OPINION ALERT!!!

All you who think Barney's a better dancer are full of shit. From a theatrical perspective, it's the difference between Artaud (JD) and Brecht (NO)...but without the brains of either of them. One draws you into the music, and the other distances you from it. Also, one has some relevance to the music (dead fly) and the other has...well, I suppose some relevance still, but much less (drug-addled fat man).

And them's my dos centavos. Merry hollandaise.

Originally posted by beaucoupkevin Big ups to Barney for the slow-mo-fart thing. You know the one - one leg in the air, turning slowly while making a goon face.

genius!

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope OPINION ALERT!!! All you who think Barney's a better dancer are full of shit. From a theatrical perspective, it's the difference between Artaud (JD) and Brecht (NO)...but without the brains of either of them. One draws you into the music, and the other distances you from it. Also, one has some relevance to the music (dead fly) and the other has...well, I suppose some relevance still, but much less (drug-addled fat man). And them's my dos centavos. Merry hollandaise.

Which do you value more, staged theatrics or pure expression?

Ian's dance is more or less connected to the fact he was ill, whereas Barney's meant that he's having a good time (remember, he didn't dance in the early days), so saying Ian was a good dancer would be somewhat macabre. Not that Barney is a good dancer, but his dance has a feel-good element to it. One question: at what exact poind did Ian start doing the Dead Fly, before or after his seizures began ?

Originally posted by Julijana Zitnjak Ian's dance is more or less connected to the fact he was ill, whereas Barney's meant that he's having a good time (remember, he didn't dance in the early days), so saying Ian was a good dancer would be somewhat macabre. Not that Barney is a good dancer, but his dance has a feel-good element to it.

He even talked to the audience

Originally posted by Julijana Zitnjak One question: at what exact poind did Ian start doing the Dead Fly, before or after his seizures began ?

He was very discreet during Shadowplay on Granada TV in 78.But on Something Else in 79 he was almost flying

Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart He was very discreet during Shadowplay on Granada TV in 78.But on Something Else in 79 he was almost flying

So, one could say that, as Ian's health was becoming worse, his dance was becoming better ?

Originally posted by Julijana Zitnjak > Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart He was very discreet during Shadowplay on Granada TV in 78.But on Something Else in 79 he was almost flying

So, one could say that, as Ian's health was becoming worse, his dance was becoming better ? Yes, that is the sad, ironic truth about it. As audiences grew more accustomed to his dance, they grew to expect seizures onstage. Hence, why the lyrics of a song like Atrocity Exhibition (which appeared in mid-1979) are so damn creepy.

Asylums with doors open wide, Where people had pay to see inside, For entertainment they watch his body twist, Behind his eyes he says I still exist.

This is the way, step inside. This is the way, step inside. This is the way, step inside. This is the way, step inside.

In arenas he kills for a prize, Wins a minute to add to his life. But the sickness is drowned by cries for more, Pray to God, make it quick, watch him fall.

Ian is hypnotic in the video for Transmission.

Neither. Would rather see Gillian dance.

Originally posted by Some Distant Memory Neither. Would rather see Gillian dance.

She can't even talk

No chance she dances

Originally posted by Some Distant Memory Neither. Would rather see Gillian dance.

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Originally posted by The Killing Moon > Originally posted by Some Distant Memory> Neither. Would rather see Gillian dance.

She can't even talk

No chance she dances maybe she will dance if Stevie asks her too

Gillian was dancing with Dawn Zee at Finsbury !

This stuff about Ian's dancing is interesting. Deborah Curtis wrote that his dancing at a party before they were married was very similar to his eventual on-stage dancing, so it is likely that he believed that was how to dance (:)). Other factors though :

* Ian was known to be interested in the hypnotic trance-dances of Japanese mediums and Shinto religion, and may have been trying to use his dance to draw the viewer in. This may be looking at this with hindsight though, and putting two and two together.

* Ian was obsessed with epilepsy, far before he actually developed epileptic-like symptoms himself. The brain scans he had in 1979 and 1980 proved he did not actually have a recognisable (at the time, research has improved somewhat over the years) form of epilepsy. I am a firm believer that he was triggering the fits he undoubtedly suffered. He had learned how fits surfaced and how to deal with them, and knew that a combination of lighting, dancing and various solvents could trigger an extreme short-term physical reaction. He danced the way he did because it allowed him to have the fits. Once he had begun this though, he was vulnerable to them and couldn't escape them.

Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle * Ian was obsessed with epilepsy, far before he actually developed epileptic-like symptoms himself (the brain scans he had in 1979 and 1980 proved he did not actually have epilepsy).

Yeah.He took care of a lady who suffered from epilepsy and died a few months later.It seems that she inspired him to write She's Lost Control.

Originally posted by The Killing Moon > Originally posted by Reg Bumswizle> > * Ian was obsessed with epilepsy, far before he actually developed epileptic-like symptoms himself (the brain scans he had in 1979 and 1980 proved he did not actually have epilepsy).

Yeah.He took care of a lady who suffered from epilepsy and died a few months later.It seems that she inspired him to write She's Lost Control.

I think she was one of his regular clients when he worked at the DHSS or whatever it was in Macclesfield (or Manchester), rather than his taking care of her. Staff in such an office would see dozens of clients a day.

"It was about a girl who used to come into the centre where Ian worked to try to find work"."She had epilepsy and lost more and more time through it,and then one day she just didn't come in any more.He assumed that she'd found a job,but found out later she'd had a fit and died".

Originally posted by The Killing Moon "It was about a girl who used to come into the centre where Ian worked to try to find work"."She had epilepsy and lost more and more time through it,and then one day she just didn't come in any more.He assumed that she'd found a job,but found out later she'd had a fit and died".

Yeah, what I said, basically.

One word: komakino.

Well Ian Used Emtion in his dance while Berney, well u know berney

Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope One word: komakino.

Which, if you look it up, wasn't as Mark Johnson would indicate !