Sunrise

What do you think Barney is trying to say in the song Sunrise?

could be about his relationship with his father...

Sunrise reminds me of one of their works in progress with Bernard's free flowing and often random lyrics. Somehow these lyrics or most of them made it to the studio. My thoughts are that its either about a woman or God.

She said it goes up down up down in and out in and out.

I think it's one of the more personal songs he's written, and am pretty sure that it hasn't been played in the last 14 years because of this - Bernard became very touchy about invasions of privacy (and quite rightly so) after the music press helped wreck his marriage, and this song was one of the more translucent of personal lyrics.

Originally posted by KnownPleasures Bernard became very touchy about invasions of privacy (and quite rightly so) after the music press helped wreck his marriage, b]

Yikes, I missed that one! Fucking paparazzi

the press? what did they force him to sleep with that groupy or what?

No Neil Tennant

Originally posted by Mr Ben the press? what did they force him to sleep with that groupy or what?

They caught him shagging a groupie on an American tour and reported it.

Originally posted by almanso > Originally posted by KnownPleasures I think it's one of the more personal songs he's written, and am pretty sure that it hasn't been played in the last 14 years because of this - Bernard became very touchy about invasions of privacy (and quite rightly so) after the music press helped wreck his marriage, and this song was one of the more translucent of personal lyrics.

timbo, please be the "grampa benny" and tell us this story. we´re all round the fireplace waiting for it!

You'll be there a long time then. I don't know the facts, and won't be a part of rumour and gossip. All I know is that Smash Hits made some sarcy comments about two groupies and Barney, and the shit hit the fan.

does barney know what he is talking about

Originally posted by Drunken Monkey > Originally posted by ShugZV© I thought it was about wanking

you think all songs are about wanking!!!

tosser!!!:p

Someone was bound to say it...

They caught him shagging a groupie on an American tour and reported it.

I thought STYT was about that.

Originally posted by twist > They caught him shagging a groupie on an American tour and reported it.I thought STYT was about that.

STYT was written over two years before this event !

He may have been getting extracurricular pokings for years.

Originally posted by ShugZV© I thought it was about wanking

nice one shugster that comment brought a bit of "comic" relief to this topic!

i´m quite sure about this.

Why are you sure about it?

Play nice. Or drive over to his place and throw beer bottles and Cure cds at him!

I love the bitterness that is so clearly evident in the lyric on this one. Plus the music is a force to be reckoned with!

I always thought Sunrise was one of the rare songs where Bernard was attempting to say something. I'd thought it was religious, and unlike most people here I'm religious, so I should know, people more respected than me here say it's about a father-son relationship which I couldn't possibly know anything about. Any evidence on that or was that just guessing ?

Is Simply Red's cover version any good ?

Originally posted by Julijana Zitnjak I always thought Sunrise was one of the rare songs where Bernard was attempting to say something. I'd thought it was religious, and unlike most people here I'm religious, so I should know, people more respected than me here say it's about a father-son relationship which I couldn't possibly know anything about. Any evidence on that or was that just guessing ?

I can really see where you are coming from with this. I think Bernard certainly has some issues with his own faith (or lack of), as there are a number of references in several songs. Like with so many of the songs where he is trying to say something though, there are two levels designed to make it deliberately ambiguous, so I'd suspect the father/son issue is also relevant. I'm going through the lyrics now in my head, and it could indeed be a direct message to God or to someone who is held in a similar distanced esteem.

When exactly did Barneys lyrics make any sense?

DM

I seem to recall that the offending article was in 'Smash Hits' and was accompannied by a picture of a rather pissed Barney accompanying some young lady to his chalet. Anyone else remember this or am I imagining it all?

Originally posted by fdisk I seem to recall that the offending article was in 'Smash Hits' and was accompannied by a picture of a rather pissed Barney accompanying some young lady to his chalet. Anyone else remember this or am I imagining it all?

Yes, Smash Hits, not Record Mirror. Knew it was glossy and full of shit.

jarvo..you must have a copy of this somewhere !!

i am not saying you were a smash hits collector..but... get digging...get scanning;)

Originally posted by Drunken Monkey why do those people from Dallas always question everything???:p

:)

When exactly did Barneys lyrics make any sense?

You cannot shaft without someone else

Here's the lyric. Maybe we can get to the bottom of it as if this were poetry class. Some kind of sick and twisted poetry class but you get the drift.

I've been waiting to hear your voice for too long now One way conversations do not work somehow Tell me how does one get your soul in touch with the one above When one way conversations pay a price for the use of love I tried so hard last night you would not talk to me I live with the fear of the few with the gift And I know what's going to be Why did you never speak my name in front of my family You gave a gift that you then took away Like you never did before Your name might be God but you don't say that much to me Your name might be God but you don't say that much to me We might be your black sheep But you forgot us a long time ago We might be your lost sheep But it's time you remembered us now As we spend our days together, nothing can go wrong No one told the truth about it because it was so strong If you ever think of me, if you hear my name If you read between the lines, you'll hang your head in shame These ??? ears will never hear, the ice will never freeze Whatever I have done for you I did because you complained

what makes me think this is a family issue and not a love issue is the lines "We Might Be your Black Sheep and We Might Be Your Lost Sheep/ But it's time you remembered US now." The rest of the sone is from an individual standpoint, expressing displeasure at the way they have been treated by this other person. Then near the end, it changes to "We" and "Us" that makes me think the speaker must be very closely related to others he's including. I thought i read that it was about his father and that sort of deals with the hurt that instigated the name changing in the late 70's/early 80's,

I could care less, it's a good un to jump up and down too though

Procession, Sunrise, Primitve Notion. = Evolution

i love those three songs. they all sound like they are coming from same angle. Would make an amazing run in a live show.

Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid Here's the lyric. Maybe we can get to the bottom of it as if this were poetry class. Some kind of sick and twisted poetry class but you get the drift.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I've been waiting to hear your voice for too long nowOne way conversations do not work somehowTell me how does one get your soul in touch with the one aboveWhen one way conversations pay a price for the use of loveI tried so hard last night you would not talk to meI live with the fear of the few with the giftAnd I know what's going to beWhy did you never speak my name in front of my familyYou gave a gift that you then took awayLike you never did beforeYour name might be God but you don't say that much to meYour name might be God but you don't say that much to meWe might be your black sheepBut you forgot us a long time agoWe might be your lost sheepBut it's time you remembered us nowAs we spend our days together, nothing can go wrongNo one told the truth about it because it was so strongIf you ever think of me, if you hear my nameIf you read between the lines, you'll hang your head in shameThese ??? ears will never hear, the ice will never freezeWhatever I have done for you I did because you complained------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------what makes me think this is a family issue and not a love issue is the lines "We Might Be your Black Sheep and We Might Be Your Lost Sheep/ But it's time you remembered US now." The rest of the sone is from an individual standpoint, expressing displeasure at the way they have been treated by this other person. Then near the end, it changes to "We" and "Us" that makes me think the speaker must be very closely related to others he's including. I thought i read that it was about his father and that sort of deals with the hurt that instigated the name changing in the late 70's/early 80's,

Dunno where you got these lyrics from, but they ain't right !

Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapezoid Procession, Sunrise, Primitve Notion. = Evolutioni love those three songs. they all sound like they are coming from same angle. Would make an amazing run in a live show.

In a recent(ish) thread someone pointed out to me that "Procession" was actually written by Steve. Maybe he's religious/got parental issues/shagging groupies too.

i have not heard one person on this site who said that they don't like this song.

This thread semms to be getting a bit religious. I seen to remember that we had a thread on that. :D

Getting back to the topic, I dont know what it is about but to me that doesnt matter. The wonderful sounds (Epic Like), going through the turbulent troughs of highs and lows, uncertainty,hope,despair, life and strength are all combined in this wonderful song. It encompases so much and is so beautiful,that is why it is a favourite of mine!:)

Originally posted by fdisk I seem to recall that the offending article was in 'Smash Hits' and was accompannied by a picture of a rather pissed Barney accompanying some young lady to his chalet. Anyone else remember this or am I imagining it all?

Her fdisk on your avatar why hasn`t the Kraftwerker second left got any wheels on his bicycle?