New Order and United Kingdom.

We're all a bit thick over here. rather go down the pub and get hammered than sit around building a website.

In fairness, I think the web possibilities have only become clear in maybe the last 12-18 months or so. Previously web access was too expensive so no one bothered. And it'd take me about 2 years to build a site anywhere near as good as this 'un

Originally posted by Sébastien Boisvert Now, the other thing that surprises me a lot is the very small number of american people who post on this forum, if you compare to the great number of them who have subscribed to the site's Fan Club section. Maybe american New Order fans just don't like to post in message boards? Maybe they just like to leech. Or maybe they're just less passionate about New Order than the Europeans are. I don't know.

The fact is, there is a new message board on the 'official' american website (neworderweb.com), where I noticed almost only people from the US were posting.

That might be an answer?

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I was going to do a New Order website but I got busy that day.

& don't forget also that we do not have free local calls, well not to isp's anyway & so would have to pay for all the phone costs whilst we upload stuff. as it is we have to pay to post messages etc (unless we do it at work - which reminds me - have to go to the pub now as finished work - hey it is a thursday!)

To Pitch: that message board at the official website is pitiful. I have been tempted to post there telling people about this place, but it seems to require a registration process that didn't seem worth the trouble.

Thanks Pat for spreading the news in this other board - well, for trying to.

I believe you when you say it is pityful; I was just meaning it is actually used by american NO fans, which could explain they don't come massively here..

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You're right, Pitch, it is used by U.S. fans. My suspicion is they don't know about this place. There was one person who kept asking where she could find GR lyrics. Finally somebody told her she could find them here (along with lyrics for everything else).

My tuppence worth (per minute probably): I think Dave H. has put his finger on one point, it is an expensive hobby if you want to do it right, particularly if you want to do stuff like database access and message boards. I have two very basic sites which I've managed to do cheap (not New Order stuff) and it is time consuming and costs me money! Another point, most NO fans I would guess are a harumph "mature" in years and sitting writing stuff about why they love this band may frighten the spouse! Also, perhaps we have access to more info here in the Uk than our cousins across the pond so the need to seek info. is not so urgent. Lastly, those who take NO / Factory and all that stuff seriously have excellent sites like this one and Farank Brinkhuis' (sites coming online all the time for us factoryphiles). Hope that makes some sense but I've been drinking (it is Thursday after all!)

I manage a Government inter and intranet for a living, and also have my own web company that produces sites for semi-professional football clubs, so simply do not have time to do a New Order site. Anyway, this one would take some beating :)

Wish the net had been around in say 86/7, I'd have made a mint from bootlegs !

The internet was only recently discovered in the UK. It was found lurking on a computer in darkest south yorkshire.

Dear Webmaster, NO are actually quite popular in a place called Scotland, a mighty nation of milk bottle white warriors with ginger hair.

England aint the UK like Canada aint in America. Small point. Worth remembering.

Good point G man... it's also worth pointing out, for those who DON'T know, that Scotland also has a president... Mel Gibson.

Barney sums it up nicely in NewOrder story when asked about the type of fans New Order attract. "spotty students and football holligans" now I wonder which country the football holligans come from, I don't think its Canada or the the U.S. Its not the French as there scared of the Germans, its not the Germans cos there scared of there history its not the Italians cos there just plain scared.

Originally posted by Grahame Ferguson England aint the UK like Canada aint in America. Small point. Worth remembering.

Scotland? Where's that. I'd always been taught down here that UK=London. That's right innit?

To anybody unfarmiliar with Scottish politics......Mel Gibson is not our President. It's actually Rod Stewart.

Very good observation, Seb. So many NO sites but none from UK. The cost must be a factor....Everything's in UK must be bloody expensive.... It is good to have informative sites on NO like this, we Aussie fans here don't get much info on NO. Even with the release of GR, there was absence of NO features in the local music mag like JUICE ( I think they're affiliated to SPIN ) or local version of ROLLING STONE....And how disappointed I was to find the MOJO mag sent to down under is the US version with Jim Morrison on the cover!!!Shit...

What makes me laugh about the jocks is that if someone makes it big and they are from Scotland then they always refer to Scotlands this or Scotlands that. But if your English and your succesfull then it has to be British. Well im no racist or anti-jock but bollox to it, New Order are an English band not Britsh.

Originally posted by Grahame Ferguson To anybody unfarmiliar with Scottish politics......Mel Gibson is not our President. It's actually Rod Stewart.

Rod Stuart my fuckin hairy hole!!

They're both English and British. But hey who cares. I'm not into Scottish nationalism in any way shape or form. I just wanna know where the fuck Crewe is. Sounds happenin'!

Originally posted by Grahame Ferguson They're both English and British. But hey who cares. I'm not into Scottish nationalism in any way shape or form. I just wanna know where the fuck Crewe is. Sounds happenin'!

It's not

Originally posted by Lee Curzon What makes me laugh about the jocks is that if someone makes it big and they are from Scotland then they always refer to Scotlands this or Scotlands that. But if your English and your succesfull then it has to be British. Well im no racist or anti-jock but bollox to it, New Order are an English band not Britsh.

That statement is a load of old bollocks! Theres nothing wrong with a bit of jingoism as long as you don't go the whole hog and fail to recognise that other countries have good things to offer too, you English did invent football after all, allegedly! But yes, New Order ARE English.

We English may have invented football but the chairman at the mighty Aston Villa in the 1870s invented the football league because he wanted some competition for his team. His name, William McGregor and he wasn't English if you haven't guessed. New Order are an English band and you jocks can keep Travis thanks very much.

Travis eh? A fucking disgrace. Though probably not as popular here in Glasvegas as they are down south. Thank fuck.

Originally posted by Mark Smith We English may have invented football but the chairman at the mighty Aston Villa in the 1870s invented the football league because he wanted some competition for his team. His name, William McGregor and he wasn't English if you haven't guessed.New Order are an English band and you jocks can keep Travis thanks very much.

Mighty?!

I never use UK, only ever Scottish, and if I have to, British.

Not a patch on "Jawbone & The Air-Rifle" or "Terry Waite Sez" though eh Mr. Jarvis ? Yes-uh oh Yes-uh!

Originally posted by Muffy I never use UK, only ever Scottish, and if I have to, British.

Well, to me, it's not even a case of being "British"....more like...'SHITTISH".

There, hope that's stirred up a bit of the brown stuff :evil:

(I was the Devil one post ago, remember?)

Originally posted by Allen Jarvis US 80's 90's, Birmingham School of Business School, Cruiser's Creek, Living Too Late, Big New Prinz. Ah, the list is endless.... up until about 1993.Beyond that they're (he's) awful.

To Nkroachment : Yarbles ! :)

I'm a big Anglophile, so anything England related that catches my fancy, I tend to latch onto, thus explaining my love for the Order. I'd love to visit England one day, maybe even live there if I can take the horrible, horrible food

As far as separtists, if you look into my eyes, erm I mean, the history of my state, we were the first to secede from the US in 1860, and they never let you forget about a little thing like the Civil War around here. In the recent wave of jingo-isitic patriotism, I find it amusing to see some people with both an American and a Rebel flag bumper sticker on their cars. Talk about conflict of interest!

Well, whatever you call the place, it looks like they're all out enjoying their Friday evening and not here.

its because we are all waiting 4 buses.

public transport is shit

Yeah, Texas was an independant republic for 10 years before being incorperated into the US. Not to get too historical, but Americans who settled into Texas were unable to get along with the Mexican authorities who controlled the area and rebelled. They offered themselves to the US but had to wait a while before a president would come along who felt like dealing with the Mexicans who still claimed it. As for SC, there's not a lot of succession talk, but the Stars and Bars is still flying near the State Capitol Building as a sign of "defiance". A lot of people seem to think it was put up to honor our Confederate dead, but the timing of it (1962-63, when the civil rights movement was in full swing) makes me suspicious.

Oops, I meant "sEcession", not "sUccession" (not even sure if I spelled it right in either case)

Originally posted by Shug > Originally posted by Niel Johnstone> its because we are all waiting 4 buses.> > > > public transport is shit

For fuck sake Niel!! don't mention public transport, you'll wake Martin up

Who's that I hear talking about me ???!!!