Bells on Who's Joe

They're falling by. The leaves.

Hank Wiseass© wrote:

Huntsman wrote: Well played Hanksford.

I hope you took note of the mighty M'bro in Europe. Next year, we fully intend to win the Champions League (of eating parmo's).

Haven't seen much UEFA cup togger, Are you still in it? I know Newcastle are.

Higgledy Hibbsy happened by not so long ago as Boro were riding high in the UEFA mad house and pretty much jinxed us by declaring that its fun to watch but Boro will never win.

He was right, in part, it wasn't very funny watching us bow out like some pathetic collection of clowns' shoes.

The only way we'll win anything other than the Chip Sandwich Cup is if Godzilla was in goal, and he's already playing for Man. City.

NObabe wrote: They're falling by. The leaves.

If you listen to the song with the 'falling by' suggestion, you may see where I'm coming from.

I wouldn't have mentioned it if I didn't genuinely believe that the suggested new line wasn't correct.

Here where I come from we believe it's "falling like the leaves". I mean, do you have autumn out there? ;)

Somebody propositioned 'falling back, the leaves' didn't they?

'Back' is very similar to 'by' except 'by' does make some better sense.

NObabe wrote: Here where I come from we believe it's "falling like the leaves". I mean, do you have autumn out there? ;)

Not really, we usually enjoy winter all year.

If we embrace your concept NOBird, then could you quote me which wall falls like a leaf? - one made of soft foam?

Somebody was wrong, obviously.

NObabe wrote: Somebody was wrong, obviously.

I knew you'd see sense. ;)

Which wall? The point is that the wall falls down just as quickly/fast as the leaf.

NObabe wrote: Which wall? The point is that the wall falls down just as quickly/fast as the leaf.

But leaves 'float' in a gentle whisper, whereas a good strong wall would collapse immediately in a heap.

Admittedly, walls fall as everything that falls does, i.e. down. In that respect then the parallel can be drawn.

Perhaps he should have sang: 'The walls are tumbling down, they're falling faster than the leaves are'

What does this have to do with The Odyssey, H?

Everything P.

The walls are integral, and perhaps the pivotal moment of the entire album in relation to The Odyssey. How they fall, and where is surely paramount?

If they fall 'like' leaves, then the leaves are utilised metaphorically, if instead the walls tumble besides or into the leaves, then surely that provokes an entire setting?

Just trying to do my bit P.

I think he just used that phrase as a comparation. I mean, the leaves surely fall down. Once they are down, it remains that way. In other words when Barney's walls fall down, there's nothing in the world that can build another ones. Sorry if you don't like my theory but that's the way I get it.

I can fully accept your theory NOBird, it sounds complete and entirely accurate.

It all rides on whether Bernard sings 'by' or 'as'.

I may be in the minority in my view. But that wouldn't be too surprising.

And if you pay attention to the "You've got me on my knees" line, you'll see what I mean. The walls fell down and Barney is completely "naked" so to speak, just like the tree when the leaves fall down.

NObabe wrote: I think he just used that phrase as a comparation. I mean, the leaves surely fall down. Once they are down, it remains that way. In other words when Barney's walls fall down, there's nothing in the world that can build another ones. Sorry if you don't like my theory but that's the way I get it.

I too agree with these sentiments.

In addition, to say that the walls are tumbling down in the same way that leaves fall evokes a very end-of-the-world feel: the walls have no more inherent substance than the leaves, and they fall just as easily as leaves do.

Patrick wrote:

And I don't think anyone believes, H, that it will be possible, or even desirable, to give an Odyssey-flavored reading to every syllable or every note on WFTSC.

Lightweight!

Patrick wrote: Waiting for the Sirens' Call and The Odyssey

*I can't believe you're really doing this! Well, I'd have never guessed you're American too, your sense of humour seems so British... See people, not all the Americans are stupid... I hope no one has taken too seriously the other topic (after all any New Order fan is intelligent, whatever their country is). I mean, the Pixies are American and Margaret Thatcher is English. I am Italian but unfortunately Berlusconi is our prime minister (though he losts all the regions but two at the recent regional elections ). So stupids are really everywhere, it's just that in America they usually speak louder than the many intelligent people who are still there... BTW if you really mean the main melody of the beginning played either by guitar harmonics or by a keyboard trying to imitate them, I'm starting to suspect you've been taking the piss suggesting they're funeral bells :p Was it an experiment in social study like "How to start a 10 page thread based on an assumption thrown in without any credibility but masked with a misunderstanding"?

BIGINOIL wrote:

Patrick wrote:

And I don't think anyone believes, H, that it will be possible, or even desirable, to give an Odyssey-flavored reading to every syllable or every note on WFTSC.

Lightweight!

The sky is high, the road is long...

Mick Aneworderfan wrote:

Patrick wrote: Waiting for the Sirens' Call and The Odyssey

*I can't believe you're really doing this! Well, I'd have never guessed you're American too, your sense of humour seems so British... See people, not all the Americans are stupid... I hope no one has taken too seriously the other topic. I mean, the Pixies are American and Margaret Thatcher is English. I am Italian but unfortunately Berlusconi is our prime minister (though he losts all the regions but two at the recent regional elections ). So stupids are really everywhere, it's just that in America they usually speak louder than the many intelligent people who are still there...

Well, Parma Mick, I just hope we are able to do a decent job on this little project.

Patrick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

Patrick wrote:

And I don't think anyone believes, H, that it will be possible, or even desirable, to give an Odyssey-flavored reading to every syllable or every note on WFTSC.

Lightweight!

The sky is high, the road is long...

That's the spirit!

They're working me really hard today - I will join in properly later on.

Really like the work in progress.

Big Neville, when you manage to complete your chores and turn your attention back to the concept, you can read how we've steamed rolled forward in your absence by pontificating one word over a 5 hour period.

We're practically smoking.

Huntsman wrote: Big Neville, when you manage to complete your chores and turn your attention back to the concept, you can read how we've steamed rolled forward in your absence by pontificating one word over a 5 hour period.

We're practically smoking.

If you're the sort of person that gleans pleasure from knowing that you have made people laugh out loud at their desks, attracting embarrasing stares from their colleagues, you should nod smugly to yourself and, if in company, project a self-satisfied gurn to those around you.

BIGINOIL wrote:

Patrick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote:

Patrick wrote:

And I don't think anyone believes, H, that it will be possible, or even desirable, to give an Odyssey-flavored reading to every syllable or every note on WFTSC.

Lightweight!

The sky is high, the road is long...

That's the spirit!

They're working me really hard today - I will join in properly later on.

Really like the work in progress.

Thanks, Big, I hope to be able to do a bit more later today.

NObabe wrote: Barney is completely "naked"

Why is the singer pleading with us to "turn your eyes from me"?

Because Medussa is singing!

If we don't turn our eyes from her, we all go mad!

BIGINOIL wrote: Why is the singer pleading with us to "turn your eyes from me"?

Because Medussa is singing!

If we don't turn our eyes from her, we all go mad!

Is Medusa in the Odyssey?

Wasn't it Perseus with Medusa?

Cellini's statue?

Patrick wrote:

BIGINOIL wrote: Why is the singer pleading with us to "turn your eyes from me"?

Because Medussa is singing!

If we don't turn our eyes from her, we all go mad!

Is Medusa in the Odyssey?

Wasn't it Perseus with Medusa?

Cellini's statue?

It was indeed Perseus. But the tone of the whole piece suggests that the singer is pleading with the listener not to look at them, with the implication that it is the only way that they will escape terrible harm. With the possible exception of Gail Tilsley, there's only Medusa that can inflict harm just by invoking a man's gaze...

Barney must have had a bit too much Pernod and got his myths in a muddle.

Maybe this song was actually intended for the NEXT album "Waiting for Medusa's Hair", but the record company insisted it went on this one.

I bet they said "ah, just put it on the Odyssey one – the fans won’t work it out anyway".

Aha, Mr Warner! You underestimated us, didn't you!

Wasn't there also something in the Bible about fatal looking?

Or that dreadful movie H likes so much?