Our friends, the "frogs".....

As this is the place I come to for all things European, I proffer this question: why is Frenchy such a pretentious, ungrateful bastard?

Consider the evidence:

* If it we not for Joe and Tommy, Frenchy would be speaking just like Jerry. Yet, Frenchy has a fit when an "American" word like "internet" finds it's way into Frenchy's precious language.

* If it were not for Joe and the Eigth Air Force and Tommy and Bomber Command, Frenchy wouldn't have his own airspace, let alone any airspace to deny Joe the use of on his way to bomb Lybia.

* While Coco Channel was busy "servicing" an SS officer, Joe and Tommy (and even Ivan) were busy trying to liberate here sorry fu$%ing country. And yet, we in America took in her collaborating ass for ten years so the few real men in France couldn't hang her for being the traitorous bitch she was.

Anyway, what's the deal with Frenchy?

Don't know, don't care. Just if they come to our country make them speak perfect english, like I had to speak perfect french to get any service down there. Fooking Frenchfries! And thier eiffel tower isn't that great! Thanks for the great holiday, Jackasses! Oh, bad flashbacks, make it go away!

Vive les frites, avec de la mayonnaise !

YAY !

actually, that's the only thing I took back from your country. I put it on them every time I eat them. But that's the only good idea you've ever had. And your national soccer team sucks to!

Having some French blood, and with every intention of convincing the young French lady who works with my brother that she should become my next victim, I'm not entirely in favour of this thread ! Personally I like the French. My resemblance to Zinedine Zidane is not confined to the pitch either :)

Michael, MyDearButt, I think starting this kind of thread when you come from most infamous imperialist country in the world is somewhat misplaced - BTW, ever thought of using air space for other matter than bombing, dear friend?

Our beloved Québécois webmestres will lock that thread in seconds if it goes on like this. Remember there's also a connection between Québec and France.

Or maybe you were just posting like a troll to get flamed as much as you can???

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Th French are so depressing, what with their Camus, their Sartres, john Calvin and that crazy bunch, DeGaulle. Having never been there, I can't speak for individuals, but overall the view of France is negative. I think the French are still pissed about rolling over and taking it from the Germans in WWII, but I hear Paris is nice.......:D

Michael, was there some current specific thing that provoked you?

He probably read some Camus and felt angry......:D

I'll concede this: I love French Fries

Oh, Pitchy-

Imperialism!?!?! You have just a smidge of that in your own defeated history. But, that's a whole other issue.

Let's talk about American "imperialism" for just sec, ok? It seems that when we're burning through billions of dollars in fuel, ordnance and personel to clean up messes in your own back yard (where is Slobo these days, anyway) you don't seem to mind our "imperialism". While we were rebuilding your country that's been defeated too many times to count, you didn't seem to mind our "imperialism".

You guys kill me. By the way Pitchy, green is not your best color.

Tabster-

Do you know why the streets of Paris are tree lined? So the Germans can march in the shade. :)

Originally posted by Patrick Michael, was there some current specific thing that provoked you?

Honestly, I'm not anti-French (despite three years of studying their language-hah! I barely remember any of it because there's no French-speaking community to interact with). I was being facetious with the whole "French Fries" thing, and I do seriously believe the French have a national insecurity complex (Napoleon conquered Europe than lost it all in less than 20 years. That's gotta hurt), but to suggest they're all disagreeable somehow is wrong. No anti-Frenchness, please (keep in mind the webmasters in QUEBEC before you start on such a rant)

Jeff-

I know, I know. The French were very helpful in the infancy of this country. Props to them. It just seems that like that particular debt has been paid in full ten fold with loan shark's points. It would be nice, however, not to have it reported on Fox News that Le Monde is writing how we in America should not be hunting down and dismembering the cowardly bastards that flew planes into two very large buildings in downtown NYC. But, we should rather be studying the "root causes" of what WE did to cause the terrorists to want to do such a thing.

OK Frenchy: the next time Jerry debuts "Blitzkrieg -The Sequal", the first thing we'll do is STUDY the "root causes" of why Jerry is such an aggressive chap and REALLY TRY to get him counseling.

Anyway, to answer your question Jeff. That's what set me off. Frenchy is ALWAYS the first to crack America when we're trying to take care of business. And in this particular case, it's NONE OF FRENCHY'S business. They didn't have planes flown into their freaking erector set tower.

Screw Frenchy. But keep the fries coming.

Hmm, how soon we forget giving arms and money to Osama back during the Soviet occupation....Look, what they did was wrong and unexcuseable, but let's examine the reasons why so we can prevent it from occuring again. Our national arrogance may very well be our downfall if we're not careful. And anoher thing...(agents encircle the house on orders from Bush, and Tabsy is arrested in mid-sentence)

Patrick -

It was reported on Fox News that Le Monde was talking about how we (Americans) were going about dealing with the terrorists ALL WRONG. We "should" be studying what we did to bring the 9/11 attacks on ourselves.

That's why.......

The Americazation of history (ie We cracked the Enigma code, not the Brits, in the otherwise good "U-571") is bad, and there needs to be more acknowledgement of international acheivements in Hollywood, but who'd go see it? Give us our Tom Cruises and the like battling super criminals with a weakness for revealing their plots....oh wait, James Bond villians do that, my mistake. Anyway, America isn't the center of the universe, so let's dispense with such misguided nationalism now.

Nicolas-

I have absolutely no problem with Canada or French Canadians. The Canadian army took murderous fire on D-Day and accounted for themselves very well.

Here it is in a nutshell. When all is well, it's cool, acceptable and encouraged to crack the USA. But, when the S*&T hits the fan, well.........it's amazing the transformation that takes place from the world's fat, stupid, capitalist ,imperialist, misogynistic, racist oaf of a country into the world's bennevolent policeman or the world's supermarket with a huge "food for free - plus free C-130 delivery" sign on the front doors.

That's all.

Originally posted by Michael McDermott Patrick - It was reported on Fox News that Le Monde was talking about how we (Americans) were going about dealing with the terrorists ALL WRONG. We "should" be studying what we did to bring the 9/11 attacks on ourselves.That's why.......

And maybe they have a point.......

I am totally appalled by the content of this thread. This is not the place for racist rantings and I for one am not interesting in reading the opinions of bigots and xenophobes.

This is the year 2002. I think some people have forgotten that!

Liv

Originally posted by Michael McDermott Patrick - It was reported on Fox News that Le Monde was talking about how we (Americans) were going about dealing with the terrorists ALL WRONG. We "should" be studying what we did to bring the 9/11 attacks on ourselves.That's why.......

Thanks, Michael. That's what I was wondering about. I certainly agree (and I think at least 90% of us in the U.S. do) that what we have done in Afghanistan so far is about 99% right.

And it is not at all pleasing to hear critical comments from people who didn't have terrorists murder 3,000 people in one of their major cities.

So if that's what we're talking about, let's at least be clear that that's what we're talking about.

Best wishes to everybody (except Osama and his friends).

Originally posted by Michael McDermott Patrick - It was reported on Fox News that Le Monde was talking about how we (Americans) were going about dealing with the terrorists ALL WRONG. We "should" be studying what we did to bring the 9/11 attacks on ourselves.That's why.......

I don't read Le Monde. It's crap.

But I don't watch Fox News either Must be crappier me thinks...

Tabster -

U-571 is a good example. I think what it illustrates is the poor understanding of history that most people have.

On a side note, the whole Enigma story is very interesting. Most of what happened at Bletchley Park is STILL highly classified.

And frankly I think Osama and friends would be quite happy to kill thousands of people in Paris and London as well, and what would people in those places be saying then?

Liv-

Maybe you'd like to point out (specifically) what was "racist", "bigoted" or "xenophobic" in what has been said.

Lables are easily applied, but more difficult to make stick when examined closely.

Mike, your problem is you actually believe what you hear on Fox News. Turn it to CNN, you'll probably have a less stressful day. Fox News is so biased towards the Right Wing, especially now. In fact, the one guy who actually strikes me as an honest newsman over there is.........(gasp) Bill O'Reilly. Sure he's a moralist, but the attention he brought to the 9/11 fundraising mess puts him head and shoulders above the rest of the pack. He's been critical of Bush's ties to Enron when no one else had the balls to address the problem, so I have to say his stock has risen for me. Other than that and Foxs Newswatch, the vacuous airheads who anchor the network make me sick

Patrick-

A good point made about how others would feel with smoldering ruins in the center of one of their major cities.

They really should walk a few miles in our Nike's before criticizing too much.

Tab-o-rama

Brother Bill is one of my favorites. However, ther's no way to stomach CNN. Just as you think that FNC is too right leaning, I think that CNN is full of leftist guerillas.

Look, I may have gone a little too far with this thread. I guess I just needed to vent. No harm meant.

Can't we all just get along? :)

Originally posted by Michael McDermott Patrick-A good point made about how others would feel with smoldering ruins in the center of one of their major cities.They really should walk a few miles in our Nike's before criticizing too much.

With all due respect Michael, this is area we have covered before. As a British citizen I have spent all of my 26 years in the shadow of terrorism. As a nation we have bombed by many terrorist groups, primarily the IRA, for years and years. I remember clearly the Manchester bombing and i know many here do, and the Warrington bombing and Canary Wharf etc. We know better than any how you are feeling, but i still dont think coming on to a New Order board and slagging off the French nation is appropriate. I find terms like "Frenchy" & "Jerry" racist and the generalisation of your points (assuming all French people feel the same etc) is what makes this thread, not just your post, racist, xenophobic and bigoted. IMO

Liv

Seb/Nic, surely this thread should be deleted

You, Mr McDermott, have sadly displayed many of the traits of an asshole in this thread. I'm sure I'm not alone in requesting this thread be closed and the subject closed.

Liv-

It was unknown to me that people who live in France were considered a "race".

Sorry if the term "Frenchy" seemed over the top and out of bounds. Perhaps you might find"c$%t" or "tw*t" or "tosspot" (my personal fav) less objectionable?

Cha-ching!

Nigel wins the "first direct personal attack of the day award"!

God bless the Statue of Bigotry. Pity they missed it really.

Let's just put a bow on this one and put it away, it's upsetting my cat....

Originally posted by Michael McDermott Cha-ching!Nigel wins the "first direct personal attack of the day award"!

You diss the French you diss me pal.

Originally posted by Michael McDermott Liv-It was unknown to me that people who live in France were considered a "race".Sorry if the term "Frenchy" seemed over the top and out of bounds. Perhaps you might find"c$%t" or "tw*t" or "tosspot" (my personal fav) less objectionable?

its funny Michael I was just think about the terms cunt, twat and tosspot....

As for the French being a race, oh dear, how picky, have you nothing better to do. I applied the term racism in a general way, to incorporate any predjudiced views that have ben expressed here. And i really dont think i need to explain that, you are well aware of what i meant.

Liv

This thread needs to be closed.

Liv

Originally posted by Liv This thread needs to be closed. Liv

I'd vote for that.

Just as long as there are no hanging chads (Get it, hanging chads? Ha ha ha.....okay it's not funny anymore)

Yes please, close this baby down

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 Just as long as there are no hanging chads (Get it, hanging chads? Ha ha ha.....okay it's not funny anymore)Yes please, close this baby down

OK, I would cast an electronic vote, and if forced to use a punch-card ballot, I would be sure to press the stylus all the way through.

Michael. I have been reading your messages and quite frankly I dont know how to deal with your hate concerning people like me... You know, the froggies.. Because in case you did not notice I am one of them... I was thinking of trying to explain you that everybody can have his own opinion and that what democracy is made for, that "Le Monde" is one of the most respectable newspaper in the world (believe it or not, it's the case and a fact). I even have to admit I have been thinking of insulting you too because I feel insulted right now. But frankly it would give you too much importance and you are not worth it. I thought about trying to explain you that maybe all the Western World has a responsability with what happens right now with terrorism. But I dont think it's the right place to talk about politics. I have American friends that I hold dear to my heart and who taught me a lot about tolerance and would never talk about my country the way you do. Because they have got respect for all the people in the world.
All I have to tell you Michael (as a person who knows about terrorism because, believe it or not, my own country has been wounded with it) is that I mourn all the innocent people (children, women, men) who died in New-York, in Afghanistan, in Irak. Because none of them deserved to die.

Originally posted by Liv I am totally appalled by the content of this thread. This is not the place for racist rantings and I for one am not interesting in reading the opinions of bigots and xenophobes.This is the year 2002. I think some people have forgotten that!Liv

Well said liv! Nic, Seb, boot the fucker out now!

Well put, Francois....

Originally posted by Muffy > Originally posted by Liv> I am totally appalled by the content of this thread. > This is not the place for racist rantings and I for one am not interesting in reading the opinions of bigots and xenophobes.> > This is the year 2002. I think some people have forgotten that!> > Liv>

Well said liv! Nic, Seb, boot the fucker out now!

Thanks Babes for the support...

Liv

You can't argue with a lady, Liv. You're just too lovable....

:D :D

Originally posted by Michael McDermott Tab-o-ramaBrother Bill is one of my favorites. However, ther's no way to stomach CNN. Just as you think that FNC is too right leaning, I think that CNN is full of leftist guerillas.Look, I may have gone a little too far with this thread. I guess I just needed to vent. No harm meant.Can't we all just get along? :)

I'll get along with the french, when they call me to come back on a fully paid vacation, to pay for the one that was ruined by arrogant asses.

My mom got some thing at Bi-Lo grocery stores where they give you a free flight anywhere in the continental US a month or two before all this happened, so I know what you mean. I still say we should go to NYC, that's the best city in the world right now.

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 My mom got some thing at Bi-Lo grocery stores where they give you a free flight anywhere in the continental US a month or two before all this happened, so I know what you mean. I still say we should go to NYC, that's the best city in the world right now.

Tell me when and were, I'm there. I'm going crazy not having a job. I need a holiday.

Oh yes Muffy! Boot me out now! That's the spirit. Let's all bow to censroship because something was said that you didn't like.

Good God! With all the ridiculous profanity and personal attacks that take place on this board and y'all get your panties in wad because I asked a question in not so subtle terms. JHC! Liv has already labled me a racist, bigot and xenophobe! Not very egalitarian of you dearie, you don't even know me. As a matter of fact Liv, I feel that you've oppressed me with hateful language and will seek satifaction in International Court. (Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it.....)

I will say this: yes, I painted with an EXTREMELY broad brush and that's my mistake.

I guess my point is this. You can't expect to poke a person (or entity) with a stick constantly and not finally get some sort of response.

Can't believe what I'm reading here.......This thread has absolutely FUCK ALL to do with music even.
The shitehawks (they know who they are) spouting such aimless bullshit in their vain attempt to inflame other onliners should just do us a favour and piss off right now and go and play with themselves in private somewhere, that would be so much more self-gratifying wouldn't it?

Fucking hell.

Michael, You cannot expect to write a post like the first one and not expect people to be offended and react in an emotional way. It really looks like you are provoking these types of reactions. Please read Francois-Marc’s excellent post on this topic and leave it at that.

Michael McCuntmott.

Originally posted by Michael McDermott Good God! With all the ridiculous profanity and personal attacks that take place on this board and y'all get your panties in wad because I asked a question in not so subtle terms. JHC! Liv has already labled me a racist, bigot and xenophobe! Not very egalitarian of you dearie, you don't even know me. As a matter of fact Liv, I feel that you've oppressed me with hateful language and will seek satifaction in International Court. (Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it.....)

Firstl, I did not label you personally a racist, xenophobe or a bigot. I said that i was not interested in reading the opinions of bigots and xenophobes, suggesting more than one.... so, Michael, not directed only at you.

I think you will find that my comments were directed at the thread in general, not you pesonally.I said i did not want to read comments by theses kinds of people, if you thought it was aimed directly at you, then that is your choice. In your defence I am still just as appalled by the comments made by others on this thread of the same nature. I never said that yor post in particular had offended me, but the whole topic and comments in general.

and secondly...

DONT CALL ME DEARIE!

Liv

Originally posted by Grigory Rasputin, the mad mystic of Petrograd heh...show's you what I know...I always thought froggy was a term only aimed at French-Canadians...can't remember which hockey player used it, or even who it was aimed at, but I remember it was aimed at a player who called the PQ his original home...anyways...enough of this, or I shall take away everyone's porridge in the morning, and replace it with shards of glass and broken nails....I was really hoping that after an afternoon of shopping and dinner with my roomie, that this little furor would have died down...but alas, I was wrong...as Rodney King once said, "Can't we all just get along"?and on Barney's birthday no less....oh it's the shame of the nation....

jeff, you are an idealist.... but i love ya x

Shame of the nation, that made me honestly! :)

Liv

Originally posted by Shugzv MichaelFor starters this thread was well out of order.That's why I replied - it's twats like you that give decent onliners a bad name - fuck me - you sound worse than our journalists, now I don't know if you were trying to wind people up (for a laugh) or you just don't like the French - I would hope it was for the former - bigotted is what the second is - and any kind of racist remarks are well fuckin out of order.I am probably the biggest sinner on this site for using words like fuck, twat, knobend, wanker......But when I do it - it's always in fucking jest mate - I don't think I've upset anyone on here - and considering my fluent swear words - it seems people take me for the sarchastic bastard I am;)Please think very carefully before using remarks such as those at the top of the page - I think by the response you got - a lot of people on here are normal everyday people - and racist remarks will not be tolerated....Be Aware...Be very Aware....The Shugster.

Well said Shug, couldn't have put it better meself....

Liv