WTFSC Single Press Release & Artwork - 3x7" + 2 tracks CD Single

At fucking last!

I will buy the three 7"s anyway but what a balls up by London.

Two things that are pissing me off:

1. 7" ONLY. DUMB DUMB DUMB move. I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available. WTF! Should have made a new version and remixed THAT several years ago first of all--right after Here To Stay. At least they're playing it live again. With a singles comp coming and a remix comp...WHY are these tracks not used to promote those instead?

2. The singles comp is FLAWED of course. Someone Like You is a single (and a very good one I may add), and up until now Turn is not (and shouldn't be--I'd rather I Told You So, the mixes would be so great)! CAN ANYONE OVER THERE MAKE A SERIOUS NEW ORDER COMPILATION!?!?!?!??!?!? We've got at least 4 and they all have problems of one sort or another--from mis-titled songs to poor selection to not transfering vinyl only mixes we all want to digital! I'll be happy to finally have the original Ceremony, but it should have been in the box set already.

While I am not all that disappointed in the 3x7" idea, it does show that the label is trying to be somewhat creative in generating interest in New Order. I wish London Records backed some of the other artists that I like who seem to get ignored once they release an album.

My only issue/problem is that being in the US, I would love to have the slipcase. Why it is exclusive to UK only, I don't understand (I can gladly pay for postage, had they made the offer). I certainly hope that I can get one cheaply versus having to get it off Ebay and paying an arm and a leg.

I wonder what the release of the single will be like in Austrailia or the US. Be nice if they could do a Maxi-Single for the US with all of the remixes like they did for Krafty and Jetstream. Austrailian releases tend to be good too. Guess we'll wait and see.

Shawn

Monsieur Round & Round wrote: Trevor Horn post-producing?

Well, Sarm studios is indeed a ZTT/Trevor Horn owned studio, so his involvement at Sarm isn't really a surprise. I believe that ZTT is also owned by Warners, so that could be the connection there??

Interested to see what the 808 State domain name is going to be (mentioned on the Sarm site) - presumably to do with the ZTT-reissue program in the near future? :)

BTW, have checked all the tracklistings for the Radio One weekend dance shows, and WFTSC was never played... Which show was it played on??

Patrick wrote:

Spotnick wrote: I just got a confirmation by London Records:

We are releasing a 2 track CD on Sirens, we are seeing if we can make it for the 26th but it might have to be the 3rd Oct as the 7" need to take priority for release week - the tracks will be the rich costey and jacknife lee

Better late than never, but what a botched process.

Couldn't have put it in better words myself. The Oz release may end up being a 2CD digipak with the 7" b-sides included(Hopefully Warner Oz may be reading these posts and considering a package similar to the one I've just hinted at). Myself, CTB, Solly, RK, Etc all live in hope of such a commonsense decision down here.

I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available.

No. I'm no hi-fi bore but vinyl offers the HIGHEST sound quality available. The digitisation process removes information and therefore quality from the sound:

"Natural sound is by definition analogue. When a CD recording is created, this analogue sound is digitised. To do this, they take many snapshots of the analogue sound. For a CD recording, they take 44,100 snapshots in a second. These snapshots are then converted to digital information with a certain precision. For a CD recording this precision is 16 bits which means that every one of the 44,100 snapshots needs to be converted into one of the 65,536 (2^16) possible values.

By definition a digital recording doesn’t include all the sound information. Because the number of snapshots that are taken are not infinite (the maximum is 44,100 per second), the process of taking snapshots results in the loss of information.

A record player which plays LP’s is strictly analogue. A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound’s waveform. The record player than transforms this groove to an analogue sound signal which can be fed into an amplifier. In this process, no information can be lost. No snapshots need to be taken and the sound doesn’t need be converted to one of the possible 65,536 values. There are an infinite number of ‘snapshots’ and ‘possible values’. Therefore vinyl recording sound richer than CD recordings (as long as you have a decent vinyl record player)."

(from yahoo.answers)

I'm not an expert on sound quality or record distribution, but I am a fan of the band and simply wish I had a decent shot at getting this release in any format.

My biggest lament about all of this is that I feel the best song on the new album is being given a snowball's chance in hell of actually getting airtime. That's really too bad considering all the time and effort put into getting Jetstream out to the masses...when it's the weakest song on the album in my opinion.

Now I'll have to buy 4 versions!

There's something about the 3x7"s that makes me want to buy the LOT. & then the following week I'll have to get the cd version - so that I don't have to go out to the shed to play it on the old turntable!

If we all do that it will chart - for 2 weeks instead of one:D

BurntFur wrote: Two things that are pissing me off:

1. 7" ONLY. DUMB DUMB DUMB move. I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available. WTF! Should have made a new version and remixed THAT several years ago first of all--right after Here To Stay. At least they're playing it live again. With a singles comp coming and a remix comp...WHY are these tracks not used to promote those instead?

2. The singles comp is FLAWED of course. Someone Like You is a single (and a very good one I may add), and up until now Turn is not (and shouldn't be--I'd rather I Told You So, the mixes would be so great)! CAN ANYONE OVER THERE MAKE A SERIOUS NEW ORDER COMPILATION!?!?!?!??!?!? We've got at least 4 and they all have problems of one sort or another--from mis-titled songs to poor selection to not transfering vinyl only mixes we all want to digital! I'll be happy to finally have the original Ceremony, but it should have been in the box set already.

Actually no. Someone Like You wasn't a single, it was released on a double 12" promo and a single 12" promo. PROMOS aren't singles!

Jonny Donepoindatgunname wrote:

I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available.

No. I'm no hi-fi bore but vinyl offers the HIGHEST sound quality available. The digitisation process removes information and therefore quality from the sound:

"Natural sound is by definition analogue. When a CD recording is created, this analogue sound is digitised. To do this, they take many snapshots of the analogue sound. For a CD recording, they take 44,100 snapshots in a second. These snapshots are then converted to digital information with a certain precision. For a CD recording this precision is 16 bits which means that every one of the 44,100 snapshots needs to be converted into one of the 65,536 (2^16) possible values.

By definition a digital recording doesn’t include all the sound information. Because the number of snapshots that are taken are not infinite (the maximum is 44,100 per second), the process of taking snapshots results in the loss of information.

A record player which plays LP’s is strictly analogue. A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound’s waveform. The record player than transforms this groove to an analogue sound signal which can be fed into an amplifier. In this process, no information can be lost. No snapshots need to be taken and the sound doesn’t need be converted to one of the possible 65,536 values. There are an infinite number of ‘snapshots’ and ‘possible values’. Therefore vinyl recording sound richer than CD recordings (as long as you have a decent vinyl record player)."

(from yahoo.answers)

Reasonably true! But 7" has a lower resolution than 12", something to do with the angle of the pickup to the record!? Also I believe 33rpm to be better quality than 45rmp.

Mint condition records on a quality deck sound excellent. Those ones with the plastic tone-arm will not give sound quality.

Spotnick wrote:

Slippy wrote:

Actually no. Someone Like You wasn't a single, it was released on a double 12" promo and a single 12" promo. PROMOS aren't singles!

But Promos aren't sold in shop either.

So SLY is sort of a "single" in my book, hence why it's listed in the Single section of the discography here.

Promos aren't supposed to be sold anywhere. They are supposed to be freebies for radio stations and website owners like you Nic lol

SLY was also released as commercial 12inch. ;)

Svenner wrote: SLY was also released as commercial 12inch. ;)

Since when?

So...After all is said and done only the UKs will have access to purchase the damn tracks??

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Slippy wrote:

Svenner wrote: SLY was also released as commercial 12inch. ;)

Since when?

dez. 2001, when SLY was released. bought them as german editions in a local shop. and they have standard catalog numbers (0927 43300-1 & 0927 43301-1)

Couldn't have put it in better words myself. The Oz release may end up being a 2CD digipak with the 7" b-sides included(Hopefully Warner Oz may be reading these posts and considering a package similar to the one I've just hinted at). Myself, CTB, Solly, RK, Etc all live in hope of such a commonsense decision down here.

Yes, I vote for this - as an aussie myself! When are we getting any of thid released?

I'm pissed about the slipcase...guess I'll have to buy it on Ebay unless any of the other regs here have any left over after sending 'em to everyone else

I have no problem with the 7"'s and also have very little doubt that we'll see all of these tracks in cd form available (or digital download at the least) at some point.

This seems like it might be a gimmick to get us going on wanting the tracks and then we all pay for the 1st pressing of the CD...better chance of charting that way.

What a mess...

Svenner wrote:

Slippy wrote:

Svenner wrote: SLY was also released as commercial 12inch. ;)

Since when?

dez. 2001, when SLY was released. bought them as german editions in a local shop. and they have standard catalog numbers (0927 43300-1 & 0927 43301-1)

So they wee German singles not British which seems to count for The Singles collection. Murder isn't there for example.

Slippy wrote:

Jonny Donepoindatgunname wrote:

I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available.

No. I'm no hi-fi bore but vinyl offers the HIGHEST sound quality available. The digitisation process removes information and therefore quality from the sound:

"Natural sound is by definition analogue. When a CD recording is created, this analogue sound is digitised. To do this, they take many snapshots of the analogue sound. For a CD recording, they take 44,100 snapshots in a second. These snapshots are then converted to digital information with a certain precision. For a CD recording this precision is 16 bits which means that every one of the 44,100 snapshots needs to be converted into one of the 65,536 (2^16) possible values.

By definition a digital recording doesn’t include all the sound information. Because the number of snapshots that are taken are not infinite (the maximum is 44,100 per second), the process of taking snapshots results in the loss of information.

A record player which plays LP’s is strictly analogue. A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound’s waveform. The record player than transforms this groove to an analogue sound signal which can be fed into an amplifier. In this process, no information can be lost. No snapshots need to be taken and the sound doesn’t need be converted to one of the possible 65,536 values. There are an infinite number of ‘snapshots’ and ‘possible values’. Therefore vinyl recording sound richer than CD recordings (as long as you have a decent vinyl record player)."

(from yahoo.answers)

Reasonably true! But 7" has a lower resolution than 12", something to do with the angle of the pickup to the record!? Also I believe 33rpm to be better quality than 45rmp.

Mint condition records on a quality deck sound excellent. Those ones with the plastic tone-arm will not give sound quality.

As I understand it, 45s sound better than 33s, something to do with the speed and related volume boost.

I can't see the argument with 12" sounding better than 7" due to the angle. It's a bit like saying the last couple of minutes on a 12" will sound crap The only significant difference would be squeezing a song that is too long for 7" and having the grooves too close, a 12" single that can spread itself over the vinyl will sound better for that reason.

Everyone should buy a Linn Sondek LP12

Kevin Smith wrote:

Everyone should buy a Linn Sondek LP12

Or a Wilson Benesch Full Circle

a snip at £1995 :)

Is the artwork of the other two WFTSC 7" singles still unknown?

Kevin Smith wrote:

Slippy wrote:

Jonny Donepoindatgunname wrote:

I've waited this long for a decent remix of EGG and if it's any good it's 7" only!?!?!??! The LOWEST sound quality available.

No. I'm no hi-fi bore but vinyl offers the HIGHEST sound quality available. The digitisation process removes information and therefore quality from the sound:

"Natural sound is by definition analogue. When a CD recording is created, this analogue sound is digitised. To do this, they take many snapshots of the analogue sound. For a CD recording, they take 44,100 snapshots in a second. These snapshots are then converted to digital information with a certain precision. For a CD recording this precision is 16 bits which means that every one of the 44,100 snapshots needs to be converted into one of the 65,536 (2^16) possible values.

By definition a digital recording doesn’t include all the sound information. Because the number of snapshots that are taken are not infinite (the maximum is 44,100 per second), the process of taking snapshots results in the loss of information.

A record player which plays LP’s is strictly analogue. A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound’s waveform. The record player than transforms this groove to an analogue sound signal which can be fed into an amplifier. In this process, no information can be lost. No snapshots need to be taken and the sound doesn’t need be converted to one of the possible 65,536 values. There are an infinite number of ‘snapshots’ and ‘possible values’. Therefore vinyl recording sound richer than CD recordings (as long as you have a decent vinyl record player)."

(from yahoo.answers)

Reasonably true! But 7" has a lower resolution than 12", something to do with the angle of the pickup to the record!? Also I believe 33rpm to be better quality than 45rmp.

Mint condition records on a quality deck sound excellent. Those ones with the plastic tone-arm will not give sound quality.

As I understand it, 45s sound better than 33s, something to do with the speed and related volume boost.

I can't see the argument with 12" sounding better than 7" due to the angle. It's a bit like saying the last couple of minutes on a 12" will sound crap The only significant difference would be squeezing a song that is too long for 7" and having the grooves too close, a 12" single that can spread itself over the vinyl will sound better for that reason.

Everyone should buy a Linn Sondek LP12

It's the groove spacing

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I would recommend the ELP Laser Turnatble at www.elpj.com

It plays records with a laser and is totally analog.

Starts at $15,000 - with the vacuum accessory, you'll be running into the $20,000 range.

I believe it's the best deck alive.

Check out the link.

MTO wrote: I would recommend the ELP Laser Turnatble at www.elpj.com

It plays records with a laser and is totally analog.

Starts at $15,000 - with the vacuum accessory, you'll be running into the $20,000 range.

I believe it's the best deck alive.

Check out the link.

You're fukkin kiddin us right??

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