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A Statement

To those of you I upset with my recent assertations that the pop group, New Order, should have split up years ago, I wish to extend my sincere apologies. I would particularly like to apologise to “The Mynx” and “El Jarvo” who I clearly placed under intolerable strain with my comments.

I was, erroneously, under the impression that the pop group New Order, had had their best days. I was also convinced that their live performances were uninspiring, their records mediocre and their fanbase falling.

It has since been illustrated to me, by the wholly impartial poll on the website “Neworder.net”, that I was, in fact, wrong. On reflection, then, after the shocking realisation that the unbiased people who post on such a forum not agree with me, I have reviewed my initial feelings about recent live performances, and concluded the following:

New Order are still a band at the cutting edge. They are paving the way for new bands and pushing musical boundaries. As demographics change, their audience represents the movers and shakers of the music world. 35-50 year olds are the ones who now set trends – in the supermarket, on the golf course and at the Bridge Club.

With regards to mediocre records, I have listened over the weekend to the last three albums (I disregarded the 237 compilation/remix albums) and there are indeed, two half decent tracks on them. So I was wrong about that, too.

Unfortunately I was under the impression that a forum was a place for opinions. It is obvious to me now I suffered a severe lapse in judgement. I was taken aback by the importance of a pop group to some people’s lives. For my part I am now married, have children and have built a business, but I now appreciate that these are not necessarily the most important things in all people’s lives.

The names “cunt”, “prick”, “douchebag”, “shit-stirrer” and “Flamer” have all been flung in my direction, words which have upset my family and placed me under an incredible amount of strain over the last few days.

To those of you I offended, I am sorry.

I am very, very, sorry.

New Order should continue as long as they want, along with The Rolling Stones, Take That and The Drifters.

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And the fuckers BANNED me for having the WRONG haircut!:lol:

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:laugh:

is right Blunderer mate.

keep em comin pal.

:thumb:

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You cheeky cnut! :nod: :thumb:

People wouldn't mind if you actually made a creditable defence of your opions, but you haven't, so no need to be facetious to try and laugh off your comments. :nonono:

Oh, and you've still failed to tell everyone what you're listening at present which is both 'important' and 'cutting edge'. I'm generally intrigued... .

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This is ace :laugh: but seriously, you still haven't answered the question put to you by El Jarvo, myself and probably a few others. So, for the fourth or fifth time:

Just which bands do you consider to be "cutting edge" at the moment then?

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ally wrote: This is ace :laugh: but seriously, you still haven't answered the question put to you by El Jarvo, myself and probably a few others. So, for the fourth or fifth time:

Just which bands do you consider to be "cutting edge" at the moment then?

Indeed. I've got a sweepstake running on this ... :nod:

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El Jarvo wrote: Indeed. I've got a sweepstake running on this ... :nod:

Guess the number of times we'll have to ask the question before we actually get an answer??!

I'll go for ∞.

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ally wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Indeed. I've got a sweepstake running on this ... :nod:

Guess the number of times we'll have to ask the question before we actually get an answer??!

I'll go for ∞.

Nah, who he'll say.

I've got 'The Killers'. :uhoh:

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For what it's worth

LCD Soundsystem Primal Scream The Juan Maclean Flaming Lips and Hot Chip

currently piss all over New Order

either live on record or both.

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Hank Wiseass© wrote: For what it's worth

LCD Soundsystem Primal Scream The Juan Maclean Flaming Lips and Hot Chip

currently piss all over New Order

either live on record or both.

good to see Shieldsy back.

did Sankey get sliced the other week?

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Hank Wiseass© wrote: For what it's worth

LCD Soundsystem Primal Scream The Juan Maclean Flaming Lips and Hot Chip

currently piss all over New Order

either live on record or both.

Are we talking current output solely?

Or do you genuinely believe that, say, Hot Chip have anything in their set which is better than, say, Ceremony or Temptation?

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Hank Wiseass© wrote: For what it's worth

LCD Soundsystem Primal Scream The Juan Maclean Flaming Lips and Hot Chip

currently piss all over New Order

either live on record or both.

Primal Scream? :eek: Yer 'aving a laugh aren't you? They've gone from being a band that were cutting edge (Screamadelica, XTRMNTR) to a Stones tribute outfit! The latest album just rips off what has gone (decades) before. I'm definitely a fan but am beginning to wonder if they ever were a truly groundbreaking band or just had the right producer at the right time (Andrew Weatherall, Kevin Shields etc.)?

Never liked The Flaming Lips so I'll opt for NO there.

Hot Chip are really good but remains to be seen if they can expand on their sound...

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J.A.K wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: For what it's worth

LCD Soundsystem Primal Scream The Juan Maclean Flaming Lips and Hot Chip

currently piss all over New Order

either live on record or both.

good to see Shieldsy back.

did Sankey get sliced the other week?

News to me if he has been.

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Hank Wiseass© wrote: For what it's worth

LCD Soundsystem Primal Scream The Juan Maclean Flaming Lips and Hot Chip

currently piss all over New Order

either live on record or both.

Actually, thinking on, using Mr Cahill's rule of thumb...

LCD, Primal Scream and Flaming Lips are all too old to produce decent music.

And LCD's front-man is defo way fatter than Bernard! :lol:

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:laugh: As long as you've learned to replace the word fact with opinion I'm a happy bunny....

Honest:evil4:

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Chaps, asking me what my favourite music is is irrelevant to our, erm, friendly disagreement. My point is not “my music is better than yours” but that New Order should have split up years ago. Your “well, what are you into then?” arguing smacks of the playground.

For the record, if I get a bit of weed and an empty house, or a long car journey, I may listen to Royksop, The Aphex Twin, early 70s Pink Floyd, Thom Yorke, Mr Scruff, even some New Order.

But I am just as likely to watch the telly. Or read a book. Or do some writing. Because I am closer to 40 than 30.

Don’t you see?

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Hank Wiseass© wrote: For what it's worth

Primal Scream

Fuck off. :nonono:

Bobby Gillespie would give his right arm to be in NewOrder.

And when he got the chance he helped make probably the worst piece of shite NewOrder have ever released.

And if his band were so much more important than NewOrder he wouldn't have, THIS YEAR, in Barcelona, spent the whole of the set watching from the wings of the stage, which meant that PrimalScream started their set, on a smaller stage, 20 minutes late.

As for Mani, I suppose he's just about cutting edge enough to support NewOrder in 2005 by spinning a few records while the audiance was in the bar.

:p

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Blunderer wrote: Chaps, asking me what my favourite music is is irrelevant to our, erm, friendly disagreement. My point is not “my music is better than yours” but that New Order should have split up years ago. Your “well, what are you into then?” arguing smacks of the playground.

For the record, if I get a bit of weed and an empty house, or a long car journey, I may listen to Royksop, The Aphex Twin, early 70s Pink Floyd, Thom Yorke, Mr Scruff, even some New Order.

But I am just as likely to watch the telly. Or read a book. Or do some writing. Because I am closer to 40 than 30.

Don’t you see?

Fair play. But then, I never listen to New Order. Absolutely never. Apart from when I see them live. So why you think everyone's running around here bleating that, perhaps, WFTSC is sooooo cutting edge and happening I've yet to fathom.

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Leggy D wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: For what it's worth

Primal Scream

Bobby Gillespie would give his right arm to be in NewOrder.

And when he got the chance he helped make probably the worst piece of shite NewOrder have ever released.

And if his band were so much more important than NewOrder he wouldn't have, THIS YEAR, in Barcelona, spent the whole of the set watching from the wings of the stage, which meant that PrimalScream started their set, on a smaller stage, 20 minutes late.

You know when Gillespie got his head kicked in, Spain-side... .

... er, were you in the frame for that? :skeptic: :lol:

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Hank Wiseass© wrote:

J.A.K wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: For what it's worth

LCD Soundsystem Primal Scream The Juan Maclean Flaming Lips and Hot Chip

currently piss all over New Order

either live on record or both.

good to see Shieldsy back.

did Sankey get sliced the other week?

News to me if he has been.

could just be ale talk in the pub.

err...Sorry Blunderer. keep liking what you like.

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El Jarvo wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: For what it's worth

LCD Soundsystem Primal Scream The Juan Maclean Flaming Lips and Hot Chip

currently piss all over New Order

either live on record or both.

Are we talking current output solely?

Or do you genuinely believe that, say, Hot Chip have anything in their set which is better than, say, Ceremony or Temptation?

Seen them live and it was a far better show than the last 3 times I've seen New Order and they weren't even the best act on the bill. I don't think they're as good as New Order were at their best.

Primal Scream's Glastonbury performance had an intensity New Order just haven't got any more. I have seen them live but I'm largely going on the TV screening of that performance.

It's basically a list of bands who I've witnesses in one form or another and thought that's fucken greatnes right there.

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Primal Scream are shite. The main reason they are popular is because the singers a drugged up twat, the bass player used to be in the Stone Roses and Kate Moss is mates with them. Riot City Blues is beyond shite.

Hot Chip are very good. But not as good as New Order are in the first 20 minutes of their set and could be if they put some damn effort into it.

I actually saw The Flaming Lips a few weeks ago, and was actually very, very good. Mad as you like, but relied too much on gimmicks to be genuinely cutting edge. And the last album is rubbish?

Its hard to say who is genuniely cutting edge these days. Is anyone genuinely cutting edge, theres quite a few experimental bands out there, but cutting edge? Its hard to say...

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Intensity? Primal Scream at Glastonbury? I didnt see them, but by all accounts, they were shite, the sound was awful, Gillespie didnt give a fuck and was a complete disaster.

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El Jarvo wrote:

You know when Gillespie got his head kicked in, Spain-side... .

... er, were you in the frame for that? :skeptic: :lol:

It weren't me, Copper, you'll never make it stick. I got an alibi, I was watchin' NewOrder wiv fousands of other kids.

:brow:

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Hank Wiseass© wrote: Seen them live and it was a far better show than the last 3 times I've seen New Order and they weren't even the best act on the bill. I don't think they're as good as New Order were at their best.

Primal Scream's Glastonbury performance had an intensity New Order just haven't got any more. I have seen them live but I'm largely going on the TV screening of that performance.

It's basically a list of bands who I've witnesses in one form or another and thought that's fucken greatnes right there.

I can't comment, I spent most New Order gigs in the bar these days. Or in the bog, which is more likely.

Only band I've seen in the past 5 years that I genuinely went 'Wow' at was Goldie Lookin' Chain supporting Kasabian. They were like nothing I'd seen before. Never laughed so hard in me life. Oh well, that's me flamed then!

EDIT: Oh, and Kraftwerk. Don't see how anyone can not see Kraftwerk on them big screens and just go 'oooh'. A couple of workmates of mine were at the Brixton double-header two years back and didn't stop talking about if for weeks.

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Leggy D wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

You know when Gillespie got his head kicked in, Spain-side... .

... er, were you in the frame for that? :skeptic: :lol:

It weren't me, Copper, you'll never make it stick. I got an alibi, I was watchin' NewOrder wiv fousands of other kids.

:brow:

......from the TOILETS?:laugh:

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Uncle Liam wrote: Intensity? Primal Scream at Glastonbury? I didnt see them, but by all accounts, they were shite, the sound was awful, Gillespie didnt give a fuck and was a complete disaster.

Well if you didn't see it then you don't know. All accounts round these parts appears to be a few people who like The Killers and haven't bought a record this year. I'd say it epitomised Rock 'n' Roll.

Compare our heroes bringing on that flabby freak to wail through Jetstream to their rendition of Swastika Eyes.

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Leggy D wrote:

Hank Wiseass© wrote: For what it's worth

Primal Scream

Fuck off. :nonono:

Bobby Gillespie would give his right arm to be in NewOrder.

And when he got the chance he helped make probably the worst piece of shite NewOrder have ever released.

And if his band were so much more important than NewOrder he wouldn't have, THIS YEAR, in Barcelona, spent the whole of the set watching from the wings of the stage, which meant that PrimalScream started their set, on a smaller stage, 20 minutes late.

As for Mani, I suppose he's just about cutting edge enough to support NewOrder in 2005 by spinning a few records while the audiance was in the bar.

:p

I'd say it was quite telling that of the two tracks produced by that collaboration Primal Scream came out with Shoot Speed Kill Light and all New Order could muster was well shite.

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Hank Wiseass© wrote:

I'd say it was quite telling that of the two tracks produced by that collaboration Primal Scream came out with Shoot Speed Kill Light and all New Order could muster was well shite.

So... Barney helps out on a PrimalScream track and it's one of the best things they've done in 5 years.

Bobby helps out on a NewOrder track and it's the worst thing they've ever done.

Don't quiet see how thats a good thing for your argument :confused2:

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Nearly 1000 posts there Davey Boy...

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