A Statement from Blunderer
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A little something from a Primal Scream site...
As cutting edge as NewOrder when it comes to setlists it seems...
November 10th setlist: Movin' On Up Dolls Jailbird Shoot Speed / Kill Light Suicide Sally & Johnny Guitar Kill All Hippies Burning Wheel When The Bomb Drops The 99th Floor Medication Kowalski Swastika Eyes Country Girl Rocks
(Encore) Accelerator Rise What goes on (VU cover)
November 11th setlist: Movin' On Up Dolls Jailbird Shoot Speed / Kill Light Suicide Sally & Johnny Guitar Kill All Hippies Burning Wheel When The Bomb Drops The 99th Floor Medication Kowalski Swastika Eyes Country Girl Rocks
(Encore 1) Damaged What goes on (VU cover) Accelerator Rise
(Encore 2) Sick City Skull X
Uncle Liam wrote: Nearly 1000 posts there Davey Boy...
And I've been planning to use my 1000th wisely 
Something with meaning, relevance, reverence and cutting edgeness
So...
Bobby Gillespie's a cunt.
One thing I'll never understand is why people care to post on here if they are no longer fan of the band.. that is out of my mind, but oh well, liberty of speech.
As for "cutting edge", you'd have to consider it with time. New Order didn't have the impact of a major label when they started, they did it their way, they might have been a lot more popular than they were just because of that.
Let's say, according to be one of the cutting edge bands in the UK (and obviously, not by everybody due to the amount of people hating them) is Coldplay.
If you compare it, well.
Parachutes > Movement A rush of blood to the head = Power, Corruption and Lies X&Y = Low-Life
(Just for the record, that's FOR ME, you are entitled to think PC&L and Low-Life are masterpieces and Coldplay's latest 2 opus were crap)
But then again, put the singles on the album, and I believe New Order had better material than Coldplay at the same stage of their career.
Now in terms of singles:
Ceremony, Everything's Gone Green and Temptation vs Yellow, Shiver and Trouble... New Order all the way.
Blue Monday, Confusion and Thieves Liks Us, well, to me they compared to In My Place, The Scientist and Clocks (The Scientist is probably in my favorite tunes of all time)... but the only one that will survive the ages is Blue Monday, but Confusion and Thieves are weaker.
Subculture, The Perfect Kiss and Shellshock vs Speed of Sound, Fix You and Talk... as much as I like The Perfect Kiss, the 2 others are weak as singles and Coldplay wins this.
And once again, it might not be fair to start with Movement, it should start with Unknown Pleasures, which gives a whole new perspective to this debate.
In terms if bands that should retire.. I'd put Depeche Mode and The Cure ahead of New Order, I'm sorry to say, but WFTSC is a lot better than "The Cure" and "Playing The Angel"...
Right.......... El Jarvo wrote:
EDIT: Oh, and Kraftwerk. Don't see how anyone can not see Kraftwerk on them big screens and just go 'oooh'. A couple of workmates of mine were at the Brixton double-header two years back and didn't stop talking about if for weeks.
Two years on and I'm still going 'oooh' and talking about it!
Spotnick wrote: Let's say, according to be one of the cutting edge bands in the UK (and obviously, not by everybody due to the amount of people hating them) is Coldplay.
Fcuk me, on that note I'm gonna toodle off home now for the night!
It's been emotional.
Coldplay are OK, X&Y is a good effort at making something braver while staying accessible. Still, they can't really be compared to New Order, because they're too derivative... a bit of Smiths, a bit of U2, a slice of Joy Division, a pinch of Jeff Buckley, all in a watered cocktail. Half of the glass is water, actually... mmmh, not that strong... New Order made fookin huge S.O.N.G.S., like only Depeche Mode and The Smiths did. You had Ask, Never Let Me Down Again and True Faith, three songs on the same level... of the bands you mention I can only see Primal Scream with Higher Than The Sun on that level, and that was 1991... don't even mention Royksopp, which don't even try to do songs as ambitiously timeless as New Order's, they're pleasant, interesting, nothing more, and much of what they do is influenced by New Order anyway. Emotional tunes with powerful sounds, maybe New Order weren't exactly the Disco Beatles like they were called, but it wasn't an unfair description. The only band I see around today with a similar ambition are Mew. They sound like a prog mix of My Bloody Valentine and Prefab Sprout, they're also New Order fans as well, and sometimes you can hear it, but they're also rather innovative, especially in this age of endless revivalism... Try Special, or the incredible Morricone-like grand finale of Comforting Sounds. Search for Apocalypso, a chorus larger than Saturn's rings. Those are fookin huge S.O.N.G.S., and yet they're not worth to be compared to anything on WFTSC.
Spotnick wrote: One thing I'll never understand is why people care to post on here if they are no longer fan of the band.. that is out of my mind, but oh well, liberty of speech.
As for "cutting edge", you'd have to consider it with time. New Order didn't have the impact of a major label when they started, they did it their way, they might have been a lot more popular than they were just because of that.
Let's say, according to be one of the cutting edge bands in the UK (and obviously, not by everybody due to the amount of people hating them) is Coldplay.
If you compare it, well.
Parachutes > Movement A rush of blood to the head = Power, Corruption and Lies X&Y = Low-Life
(Just for the record, that's FOR ME, you are entitled to think PC&L and Low-Life are masterpieces and Coldplay's latest 2 opus were crap)
But then again, put the singles on the album, and I believe New Order had better material than Coldplay at the same stage of their career.
Now in terms of singles:
Ceremony, Everything's Gone Green and Temptation vs Yellow, Shiver and Trouble... New Order all the way.
Blue Monday, Confusion and Thieves Liks Us, well, to me they compared to In My Place, The Scientist and Clocks (The Scientist is probably in my favorite tunes of all time)... but the only one that will survive the ages is Blue Monday, but Confusion and Thieves are weaker.
Subculture, The Perfect Kiss and Shellshock vs Speed of Sound, Fix You and Talk... as much as I like The Perfect Kiss, the 2 others are weak as singles and Coldplay wins this.
And once again, it might not be fair to start with Movement, it should start with Unknown Pleasures, which gives a whole new perspective to this debate.
In terms if bands that should retire.. I'd put Depeche Mode and The Cure ahead of New Order, I'm sorry to say, but WFTSC is a lot better than "The Cure" and "Playing The Angel"...
Sirens is NOT better that "The Cure." It just isnt. "The Cure" is easily the best thing Smith et al has done since Disintegration.
Yeah, Muse are quite good at the moment... Starlight is one of the best singles of the year (for me anyway).
The awards they won - not that they matter - were for "Best Alternative" or something like that so they're definitely not accepted as mainstream!
Uncle Liam wrote:
Sirens is NOT better that "The Cure." It just isnt. "The Cure" is easily the best thing Smith et al has done since Disintegration.
I don't think they've ever topped The Head On The Door. Everything else, while having a few good tunes, just sounds flat.
ally wrote: Yeah, Muse are quite good at the moment... Starlight is one of the best singles of the year (for me anyway).
The awards they won - not that they matter - were for "Best Alternative" or something like that so they're definitely not accepted as mainstream!
A band I just don't get.
Saw them at the Ulster Hall, and was bored the whole time, yet the indie scene wanks over them and hails them at mad prophets. 
Fuck me backwards with a sharp stick: poeple rambling about 'cutting edge' and before you know it yer back to the fucking Cure.
THE FUCKING CURE. THIS FUCKING WEBSITE!!!!
Can I just say that I really love New Order, much more than any other pop group ever. But they truly are wank.
El Jarvo wrote:
Spotnick wrote: Let's say, according to be one of the cutting edge bands in the UK (and obviously, not by everybody due to the amount of people hating them) is Coldplay.
Fcuk me, on that note I'm gonna toodle off home now for the night!
It's been emotional.
Don't blame me, I'm canadian 
I mean, most of what you might consider cutting edge don't come over here.. except maybe Radiohead, but I think they got lost somewhere.
I could have said Interpol or Arcade Fire.. ;)
Uncle Liam wrote: Sirens is NOT better that "The Cure." It just isnt. "The Cure" is easily the best thing Smith et al has done since Disintegration.
As usual, it's a matter of taste. It took me forever to like Bloodflowers, but that one, I just couldn't... even after a while...
Uncle Liam wrote:
Spotnick wrote: One thing I'll never understand is why people care to post on here if they are no longer fan of the band.. that is out of my mind, but oh well, liberty of speech.
As for "cutting edge", you'd have to consider it with time. New Order didn't have the impact of a major label when they started, they did it their way, they might have been a lot more popular than they were just because of that.
Let's say, according to be one of the cutting edge bands in the UK (and obviously, not by everybody due to the amount of people hating them) is Coldplay.
If you compare it, well.
Parachutes > Movement A rush of blood to the head = Power, Corruption and Lies X&Y = Low-Life
(Just for the record, that's FOR ME, you are entitled to think PC&L and Low-Life are masterpieces and Coldplay's latest 2 opus were crap)
But then again, put the singles on the album, and I believe New Order had better material than Coldplay at the same stage of their career.
Now in terms of singles:
Ceremony, Everything's Gone Green and Temptation vs Yellow, Shiver and Trouble... New Order all the way.
Blue Monday, Confusion and Thieves Liks Us, well, to me they compared to In My Place, The Scientist and Clocks (The Scientist is probably in my favorite tunes of all time)... but the only one that will survive the ages is Blue Monday, but Confusion and Thieves are weaker.
Subculture, The Perfect Kiss and Shellshock vs Speed of Sound, Fix You and Talk... as much as I like The Perfect Kiss, the 2 others are weak as singles and Coldplay wins this.
And once again, it might not be fair to start with Movement, it should start with Unknown Pleasures, which gives a whole new perspective to this debate.
In terms if bands that should retire.. I'd put Depeche Mode and The Cure ahead of New Order, I'm sorry to say, but WFTSC is a lot better than "The Cure" and "Playing The Angel"...
Sirens is NOT better that "The Cure." It just isnt. "The Cure" is easily the best thing Smith et al has done since Disintegration.
Liam, you're full of shit on this one. "The Cure" was just plain AWFUL. It was The Cure trying to sound like The Cure, ripping themselves off at every turn and producing only about 2 really good songs. Wish and Bloodflowers were far better than "The Cure."
Blunderer, can you just bloody explain that "G- MEX ,Summer 1987"
.I'm still confused .That's all.Thankyou
Blunderer wrote: A Statement
To those of you I upset with my recent assertations that the pop group, New Order, should have split up years ago, I wish to extend my sincere apologies. I would particularly like to apologise to “The Mynx” and “El Jarvo” who I clearly placed under intolerable strain with my comments.
I was, erroneously, under the impression that the pop group New Order, had had their best days. I was also convinced that their live performances were uninspiring, their records mediocre and their fanbase falling.
It has since been illustrated to me, by the wholly impartial poll on the website “Neworder.net”, that I was, in fact, wrong. On reflection, then, after the shocking realisation that the unbiased people who post on such a forum not agree with me, I have reviewed my initial feelings about recent live performances, and concluded the following:
New Order are still a band at the cutting edge. They are paving the way for new bands and pushing musical boundaries. As demographics change, their audience represents the movers and shakers of the music world. 35-50 year olds are the ones who now set trends – in the supermarket, on the golf course and at the Bridge Club.
With regards to mediocre records, I have listened over the weekend to the last three albums (I disregarded the 237 compilation/remix albums) and there are indeed, two half decent tracks on them. So I was wrong about that, too.
Unfortunately I was under the impression that a forum was a place for opinions. It is obvious to me now I suffered a severe lapse in judgement. I was taken aback by the importance of a pop group to some people’s lives. For my part I am now married, have children and have built a business, but I now appreciate that these are not necessarily the most important things in all people’s lives.
The names “cunt”, “prick”, “douchebag”, “shit-stirrer” and “Flamer” have all been flung in my direction, words which have upset my family and placed me under an incredible amount of strain over the last few days.
To those of you I offended, I am sorry.
I am very, very, sorry.
New Order should continue as long as they want, along with The Rolling Stones, Take That and The Drifters.
Now they are a band - up here on Sat. night they were playing in two different towns (Boro & Darlo) hardcore. I think one of them has a post-man who used to deliver the mail for one of the Drifters, or summat shite like that. Blunderer - that is cutting edge my son.
p. s. Why feel the need to take 'blo' before you listen to Aphex Twin etc...
Can't handle it eh..
Shouldnt need drugs to listen to music, pour moi Richard D James, Underground Resistance, Richie Hawtin et al. are the drug. 
Johnny wrote: Blunderer, can you just bloody explain that "G- MEX ,Summer 1987"
He 'fessed up to that one elsewhere. He confused it with December 88.
Blunderer wrote:
It has since been illustrated to me, by the wholly impartial poll on the website “Neworder.net”, that I was, in fact, wrong.
They've done a impartial poll on Neworder.net as well? You upset them too?
Hmmm... Who's still relevant in terms of pop music?
Well, if the NME are to be believed...
- Babyshambles/Libertines off-shoots - never really got into them - seem to be (in)famous due to that smack-addict twat Pete Doherty - music is rubbish
- Kasabian - not bad, but I still don't "get" them - maybe a couple more listens to their album(s) - JG likes them!
- The Killers - yeah, listenable - they got their name from the Crystal video - might have to try and relisten to their first album and take it from there
- Muse - miffed that they clashed with Orbital at Glasto 94 (it was Orbital's last Glasto)... Quite like their Supernova Black Hole (think that's what it's called?) single/album
- Arctic Monkeys - yeah, catchy tunes - whether they can keep this up beyond one album, I dunno?
- Franz Ferdinand - all the songs sound the same to me, I don't mind their songs, but to listen to an entire album is a bit too much...
- Kaiser Chiefs - again, not too bad - not my favourite band of all time, but listenable...
- Keane - not too Keane on this lot (although Shugs likes 'em!) - saw a bit of their set after New Order at Barcelona, and the songs didn't click...
- Thom Yorke - never been a big fan of Radiohead, or their AFX-style albums (AFX does it better!)
- Bloc Party - not heard enough of them to make a judgement...
- Snow Patrol - fairly boring uninteresting band... Still to get into any of their songs...
- Embrace - singer whines too much - I agree with Hooky about their World Cup effort!
Personally, my favourite bands are in the dance-scene nowadays, and I don't believe that any of them are relevant any more (808 State, A Guy Called Gerald, Orbital-related, Orb, AFX, Squarepusher, Skam acts, etc)...
Ah well, each to their own! 
Nick King wrote:
- Muse - miffed that they clashed with Orbital at Glasto 94 (it was Orbital's last Glasto)...
'04, surely?
El Jarvo wrote:
Nick King wrote:
- Muse - miffed that they clashed with Orbital at Glasto 94 (it was Orbital's last Glasto)...
'04, surely?
Yup - you spotted the deliberate mistake!
In my meaningless opinion New Order shite all over these newer bands. There is no contest between them and Primal Scream, went to see Primal Scream at the SECC in Glasgow the other week and was bored shitless mid set. Anyone who says their new album is good is LYING.
As for newer band check out The Union of Knives from Glasgow. I wouldn't say their cutting edge, but theyre fuckin good!
mozza wrote: In my meaningless opinion New Order shite all over these newer bands. There is no contest between them and Primal Scream, went to see Primal Scream at the SECC in Glasgow the other week and was bored shitless mid set. Anyone who says their new album is good is LYING.
As for newer band check out The Union of Knives from Glasgow. I wouldn't say their cutting edge, but theyre fuckin good!
totally agree re: the Union of Knives.. was telling Jefferani about them the other day..
The names “cunt”, “prick”, “douchebag”, “shit-stirrer” and “Flamer” have all been flung in my direction, words which have upset my family and placed me under an incredible amount of strain over the last few days.
i know i probably shouldn't add on to that list. but in my crazy humor i would like to add "fat ass nazi spy". lol.
isn't the strain apart of the job you signed on to doooooo?
Christopher Owens wrote:
Uncle Liam wrote:
Sirens is NOT better that "The Cure." It just isnt. "The Cure" is easily the best thing Smith et al has done since Disintegration.
I don't think they've ever topped The Head On The Door. Everything else, while having a few good tunes, just sounds flat.
Even by your standards, thats a completely stupid comment.
Christopher Owens wrote:
ally wrote: Yeah, Muse are quite good at the moment... Starlight is one of the best singles of the year (for me anyway).
The awards they won - not that they matter - were for "Best Alternative" or something like that so they're definitely not accepted as mainstream!
A band I just don't get.
Saw them at the Ulster Hall, and was bored the whole time, yet the indie scene wanks over them and hails them at mad prophets.
Even by your standards, a truly idiotic comment.
Burt Reynolds wrote:
mozza wrote: In my meaningless opinion New Order shite all over these newer bands. There is no contest between them and Primal Scream, went to see Primal Scream at the SECC in Glasgow the other week and was bored shitless mid set. Anyone who says their new album is good is LYING.
As for newer band check out The Union of Knives from Glasgow. I wouldn't say their cutting edge, but theyre fuckin good!
totally agree re: the Union of Knives.. was telling Jefferani about them the other day..
Well, if Union of Knives aren't cutting edge, nobody is 
