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Is Age Of Consent great or overrated?

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Why it might be great:

-One of the first records that Barney starts climbing out of Ian's shadow and forming an identity and style of his own.

-Catchy as hell bassline

-Very cool guitar solo

-Great first song for an album, and it embodies the spirit of New Order for the first time on a full length album. It is the sound of New Order finally moving on!

-First true example of the band having a sense of humor

Why it might be overrated:

-Extremely redundant....same repetitive beat over and over

-Not a whole lot going on in the song, musically or lyrically

-Synth part sounds a little dated

-Seems a bit too long

-Not nearly as brilliant or groundbreaking as Everything's Gone Green, Temptation, or Blue Monday

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you are just a fucking glutton for punishment...aren't you???

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Age of consent is so fuckin great!!:clap:

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Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: you are just a fucking glutton for punishment...aren't you???

you'd think he'd get the memo after a while. each thread more deliriously inane than the rest.

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WOW, never seen such a flame baiter in my life. He'll be lucky to get away with knees that still bend :D

Repetative beats? Dated synth lines? WTF

FYI, AOC has some pretty complex harmony, try dumping all the tracks of a MIDI file of it into the key editor of cubase and watch the chords display!!! Hooky's bass is playing tensions to the chords most of the time rather than playing tonally.

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OK, here goes. Pin back the lugs and learn something.

When they started playing the song live in August 82 it was some way from being the finished article, went on for about 7 mins, and basically consisted of the same bass riff but whole 90 second cycles, Bernard would make up some words every 90 seconds or thereabouts. It wasn't great, to be honest, it was messy and repetitive. Might have made a decent Fall song at that stage.

But they listened to the tapes from the gigs and rehearsals, and whipped it into shape in the studio, to come up with the first song that really shows the way forward. Sure, EGG and Temptation/Hurt had been electronic, but this was the first time really that New Order had chosen to publicly display their new-found confidence. The vocals were up-front for once, plaintive but distinguishable, the instruments were separated rather than mixed in a dense fog, and there was a looseness to the whole thing that culminated in another whoop!

By now the song was a fast rocker in the live arena, much faster than on record, and was starting to become a crowd favourite, a status it retained throughout its live history.

In terms of what the song actually said to the listener when they first slapped PC&L on the turntable, it was quickly established as an all-time great. This was the new New Order, a band whose burgeoning confidence in the live setting was now evident on record too. Age of Consent's mix was unthinkable only 18 months before, can you imagine something like that on Movement? The title is also something of a clue, it was their coming of age on record.

Great or over-rated? 100% great.

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gr8 m8

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Ooh, I know the answer to this one.

Great!

Next!

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Like Rocky this guy just keeps coming back for one last go...

Its great,everyone knows it. So the question is "Why fucking ask?"

Oops,You're not deaf are you? :D

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AOC is f***ing brilliant and any doubters just check out the Glastonbury '87 BBC live CD pure class! Cheers!:thumb:

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Age Of Consent's utter brilliance is not questionable in the slightest.

As for dated, you probably couldnt pick a worse track - sounds as fresh now as (I assume) it did over 20 years ago.

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Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: you are just a fucking glutton for punishment...aren't you???

Absolutely,no need to comment further or read on.Nuff said. This song is very nearly the Holy fookin' Grail,so any further questioning of it will not be tolerated.Be it on your head.How great can one song be? This great.End of.:bow: :bow: :thumb:

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Tim wrote: OK, here goes. Pin back the lugs and learn something.

When they started playing the song live in August 82 it was some way from being the finished article, went on for about 7 mins, and basically consisted of the same bass riff but whole 90 second cycles, Bernard would make up some words every 90 seconds or thereabouts. It wasn't great, to be honest, it was messy and repetitive. Might have made a decent Fall song at that stage.

But they listened to the tapes from the gigs and rehearsals, and whipped it into shape in the studio, to come up with the first song that really shows the way forward. Sure, EGG and Temptation/Hurt had been electronic, but this was the first time really that New Order had chosen to publicly display their new-found confidence. The vocals were up-front for once, plaintive but distinguishable, the instruments were separated rather than mixed in a dense fog, and there was a looseness to the whole thing that culminated in another whoop!

By now the song was a fast rocker in the live arena, much faster than on record, and was starting to become a crowd favourite, a status it retained throughout its live history.

In terms of what the song actually said to the listener when they first slapped PC&L on the turntable, it was quickly established as an all-time great. This was the new New Order, a band whose burgeoning confidence in the live setting was now evident on record too. Age of Consent's mix was unthinkable only 18 months before, can you imagine something like that on Movement? The title is also something of a clue, it was their coming of age on record.

Great or over-rated? 100% great.

Until I read this.So there you have it,completely:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :thumb:

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Its a true favourite of mine and a tune I never tire of listening too. Id say its great and UNDER-RATED and would have been great as a single if the band/Factory were that way inclined.

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Is "MLANH" a twat or just underrated?

Discuss.

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MLANH- "My Life Ain't No Holiday" wrote: -Extremely redundant....same repetitive beat over and over

It's pure Krautrock Motorik, intended to build tension throughout the song instead of bashing all around the drumkit just to show one's chops, for that you should listen to every British prog rock drummer (except Bruford). And even some of those guys would struggle to keep up the 16th note beat that Steve maintains for five minutes straight.

-Not a whole lot going on in the song, musically or lyrically

There's not much in Ceremony or Atmosphere either. So?

-Synth part sounds a little dated

Sounds like a prime Brian Eno synth part - for me that's "not dated at all".

-Not nearly as brilliant or groundbreaking as Everything's Gone Green, Temptation, or Blue Monday

New Order didn't invent electronic music, period.

To sum it up: GRRREAT

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Tim wrote: OK, here goes. Pin back the lugs and learn something.

When they started playing the song live in August 82 it was some way from being the finished article, went on for about 7 mins, and basically consisted of the same bass riff but whole 90 second cycles, Bernard would make up some words every 90 seconds or thereabouts. It wasn't great, to be honest, it was messy and repetitive. Might have made a decent Fall song at that stage.

But they listened to the tapes from the gigs and rehearsals, and whipped it into shape in the studio, to come up with the first song that really shows the way forward. Sure, EGG and Temptation/Hurt had been electronic, but this was the first time really that New Order had chosen to publicly display their new-found confidence. The vocals were up-front for once, plaintive but distinguishable, the instruments were separated rather than mixed in a dense fog, and there was a looseness to the whole thing that culminated in another whoop!

By now the song was a fast rocker in the live arena, much faster than on record, and was starting to become a crowd favourite, a status it retained throughout its live history.

In terms of what the song actually said to the listener when they first slapped PC&L on the turntable, it was quickly established as an all-time great. This was the new New Order, a band whose burgeoning confidence in the live setting was now evident on record too. Age of Consent's mix was unthinkable only 18 months before, can you imagine something like that on Movement? The title is also something of a clue, it was their coming of age on record.

Great or over-rated? 100% great.

Not at all over-rated. Its a great.. great song, in all respects.

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No more f'ing saudade wrote: There's not much in Ceremony or Atmosphere either.

Eh? Not much going on in Ceremony? :skeptic:

Can't think of many New Order tracks which boast quite as many lulls and then highs, then lulls, then highs. One their most emotive numbers, I would've said.

It's a Rollercoater Ride of a song.

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Uncle Liam wrote: Is "MLANH" a twat or just underrated?

Discuss.

I dont think its right to make personal attacks on people who post on this site. Its interesting to hear all points of view, regardless of whether we agree with that persons point or not. For me, thats what makes this site so addictive and fascinating, the debates. I couldnt imagine another band or artist evoking so much debate or comment as to what New Order do on this site.

So Let MLANH have his say (as I wouldnt want him to be driven away and I enjoy reading the follow up comments from everybody else). His postings have amused me in recent weeks. So keep on posting MLANH but I would suggest that you dont antagonise fellow NO worshippers with such wild, attention seeking postings. Otherwise you'll only have yourself to blame if everyone turns against you. Unless thats your intention?

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yeah!! like it matters. :laugh:

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NO Regret wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Is "MLANH" a twat or just underrated?

Discuss.

I dont think its right to make personal attacks on people who post on this site. Its interesting to hear all points of view, regardless of whether we agree with that persons point or not. For me, thats what makes this site so addictive and fascinating, the debates. I couldnt imagine another band or artist evoking so much debate or comment as to what New Order do on this site.

So Let MLANH have his say (as I wouldnt want him to be driven away and I enjoy reading the follow up comments from everybody else). His postings have amused me in recent weeks. So keep on posting MLANH but I would suggest that you dont antagonise fellow NO worshippers with such wild, attention seeking postings. Otherwise you'll only have yourself to blame if everyone turns against you. Unless thats your intention?

Everyone thinks i'm a cunt anyway! :laugh:

The fact is, every single time, MLANH makes a completely stupid suggestion, presumably an attempt to provoke discussion. It fails miserably and usually makes him come across as a twat. He solely starts threads, never contributes to any others, and still has the most ridiculous name on this board.

But thanks for the sermon, i'll bear it in mind and try to be nice in future. :skeptic:

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Age of consent is one of NO's most underated songs. Its Brilliant!!! should have been released as a single.

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fuckinell...Liam...trying to be nice???

Hell has frozen over!!!

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NO Regret wrote:

Uncle Liam wrote: Is "MLANH" a twat or just underrated?

Discuss.

I dont think its right to make personal attacks on people who post on this site. Its interesting to hear all points of view, regardless of whether we agree with that persons point or not. For me, thats what makes this site so addictive and fascinating, the debates. I couldnt imagine another band or artist evoking so much debate or comment as to what New Order do on this site.

So Let MLANH have his say (as I wouldnt want him to be driven away and I enjoy reading the follow up comments from everybody else). His postings have amused me in recent weeks. So keep on posting MLANH but I would suggest that you dont antagonise fellow NO worshippers with such wild, attention seeking postings. Otherwise you'll only have yourself to blame if everyone turns against you. Unless thats your intention?

The REAL question is (see what I did there folks?) is not one of whether AoC is any cop, but has the posting of a thread querying one of the band's great songs caused you to lose any respect for the band? :evil4:

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Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: fuckinell...Liam...trying to be nice???

Hell has frozen over!!!

:laugh:

It clearly is true about Septics (even the ones we like!) and irony!

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AOC RAWKS!!!!!

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Tim wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: fuckinell...Liam...trying to be nice???

Hell has frozen over!!!

:laugh:

It clearly is true about Septics (even the ones we like!) and irony!

Timbo...'twas a joke...

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Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Tim wrote:

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: fuckinell...Liam...trying to be nice???

Hell has frozen over!!!

:laugh:

It clearly is true about Septics (even the ones we like!) and irony!

Timbo...'twas a joke...

I know!!!!! ;)

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fuck...I REALLY don't get it...do I...

I give up...

off to the Cure boards for me!

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