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I see, so THIS is where the sleeve image to "Regret" came from?!

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Couldn't believe my eyes whilst browsing through the charity shops in Macc earlier today. I just had to share this with you all. A cowboy-themed easy-listening album from way back yonder but the sleeve caught my eye..... wait a minute... how familiar does this look?

Let's see.... why - all they did was flip the image from left to right and then pass it of as a brand new work of art. It's at times like this that I'm glad I had my digicam on my person! :nod: :thumb: :) :shades:

Has anyone else seen this sleeve before?

If not, consider this a first! ;)

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From my understanding all the images from Republic and its related singles are taken from stock photos. I believe this is what Saville said in an interview....I'll look for it and post it if I find it.

Appendum:

Every day was like Christmas! I'd go into Pentagram and there would be a stack of images to look at. Out of every 50 pictures there would be one or two. I wanted cowboys, and along came these guys. I wanted a burning building and I got this one. -Peter Saville (interview w/Rick Poynor 1995)

http://www.btinternet.com/~comme6/saville/interview.htm

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The Getting Away With It sleeve was from a stock photo as well. Must have been Saville's prefered method around that time.

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Wasim wrote: The Getting Away With It sleeve was from a stock photo as well. Must have been Saville's prefered method around that time.

Yeah it called being lazy, though he thinks its creative. If there is another album we should boycott the prick doing the sleeve, because guess what?

IT WILL JUST BE ANOTHER FUCKING SHITEY WHITE SLEEVE!!!

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Well, if Saville insists that that Cowboy picture is a stock photo from, say, around the 80s, then he is the bullshitter and not us. That easy listening album which has the exact same image (albeit flipped the other way round) dates from the late 1960s. :nod:

And yes Steve, I think you're right about the next New Order album - another shite white sleeve and the Helvetica / Arial font no doubt. Can't wait. :rolleyes: :thumbdown:

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Wasim wrote: The Getting Away With It sleeve was from a stock photo as well. Must have been Saville's prefered method around that time.

Dont know about you but that sleeve (the glass and ice cubes) looks like it was swiped from one of those tacky 1980s airbrushed Athena posters. remember them?:skeptic:

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By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:

Wasim wrote: The Getting Away With It sleeve was from a stock photo as well. Must have been Saville's prefered method around that time.

Dont know about you but that sleeve (the glass and ice cubes) looks like it was swiped from one of those tacky 1980s airbrushed Athena posters. remember them?:skeptic:

Its taken from the Imagebank archive's. Visit their website, its on there.

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& republic was from a holiday brochure.

good find though by 'eck

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Who gives a rat's gizzards what the sleeve is like? If i want to see a picture I go to an art gallery...Choons.end of! :thumb:

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Sausage ears wrote: Who gives a rat's gizzards what the sleeve is like? If i want to see a picture I go to an art gallery...Choons.end of! :thumb:

yeah!! listen to Soss. he's as honest as the length of his carrott sticks.

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That's excellent - hope you bought it!

Maybe that album is where all of Hooky's bass ended up?

Easy listening my arse.

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BIGINOIL wrote: That's excellent - hope you bought it!

Maybe that album is where all of Hooky's bass ended up?

Easy listening my arse.

Buy it? Did I 'eck as like! I just took the pics of it and left it there. It cost too much anyway (well, a quid), but I needed to keep my change cos I was in dire need of some liquid refreshment and a butty from next door! :nod: :)

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You should of pushed it up your jumper and legged it.

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BIGINOIL wrote: You should of pushed it up your jumper and legged it.

:nono: I'm sure you wouldve done that! :rolleyes: Anyway, it's not nice robbing from charity just for the sake of a kitsch old record that nobody would touch anyway but just happens to have a cover image that Peter Saville nabbed for his own devious ends! ;) :shades:

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Yeh,but the point is,which some seem to be missing,is that they all still look as cool as fook as N.O. sleeves.Saville pretty much set the standard for record sleeve design IMO,& because of that,started the trend for other designers & bands to put effort into what their product came dressed in.Just look at the 'Singles' covers poster.It makes me all that that little bit more proud to be a N.O. fan when the sleeves look that fookin' good.& cool.They may be stock photos,but no-one else thinks of using them in the same way for them to come out & look the way they do,it's an effortless talent.Lots of other bands & designers can try for years,& do,to make that same impact & lasting memory,but fail.For me,Saville has never let me down.I mean,the Jetstream sleeve is better than the fookin' track!:bow: :clap: :thumb:

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I beg to differ - Savile - or his associates - hasn't done a decent sleeve for new Order since those extravagant "Republic" era images. The last few were pretty abject. Everything is white white white.....and shite. The Best Of was meaningless, Get Ready was crap - especially the appalling vinyl LP version, International was a joke, Retro was just lazy and uninspired, WFTSC was another joke (and it effectively put people off buying it cos who would wanna pick up a record with a huge "No" on the front? "Yes" maybe, by "No"?).... :skeptic: :rolleyes: and as for the Singles cover.....once again lazy and uninspired come to mind. :nonono: Saville even admitted he's past caring about designing sleeves for the band these days, and lets his little henchmen do the dirty work - but even they're not up to it cos they seem to indebted to Saville's obsession with white. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

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Disagree.

-The sleeves are appropriate and still suit the band. There's only so many ways you can do tasteful minimalism, which is the New Order style. It would suck if they came out with an album that went in the other direction, just to be completely different.
-If he took the images from somewhere else, what difference does it make? It's not like he was being dishonest. -Warners aren't going to be even a smidgen as creative as Factory when it comes to packaging and marketing. They aren't going to let him do whatever he wants like the good old days.

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FtotheDoubleOff wrote: There's only so many ways you can do tasteful minimalism, which is the New Order style. .

EXACTLY!! That is the whole point! You said it! And how many of these "tastefully minimalist" album sleeves have we had ad nauseum?? :skeptic:

  1. ? The Best Of
  2. ? The Rest Of
  3. Get Ready
  4. International
  5. Retro
  6. Waiting For The Sirens Call
  7. Singles

All of them are boring and completely uninspired and feature far too much white and Helvetica.... Tasteful minimalism? More like vacuously repetitive and creatively bankrupt! !

:rolleyes:

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By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: I beg to differ - Savile - or his associates - hasn't done a decent sleeve for new Order since those extravagant "Republic" era images. The last few were pretty abject. Everything is white white white.....and shite. The Best Of was meaningless, Get Ready was crap - especially the appalling vinyl LP version, International was a joke, Retro was just lazy and uninspired, WFTSC was another joke (and it effectively put people off buying it cos who would wanna pick up a record with a huge "No" on the front? "Yes" maybe, by "No"?).... :skeptic: :rolleyes: and as for the Singles cover.....once again lazy and uninspired come to mind. :nonono: Saville even admitted he's past caring about designing sleeves for the band these days, and lets his little henchmen do the dirty work - but even they're not up to it cos they seem to indebted to Saville's obsession with white. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

"Singles" cover = "lazy and uninspired" if you knew how ball-achingly tricky it was to produce the mesh leaf like that you wouldn't think it was "lazy", and as far as the inspiration behind it goes, there was plenty, but i guess you missed it.

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:nonono:

Thanks for your input Bill, maybe some people will think before criticizing your work now that they actually remember you are a member here ;)

Now, where's Howard when you need him? :evil4:

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i'm all up for people having an opinion, and the fact that not everybody likes the same thing is what makes the world an interesting place. However it gets on my tits when people just slag things off in an uninformed way, just because they don't get something. I have always remembered what my art tutor told us on day one at university, and that was that we weren't allowed to just slag off other peoples work, when giving our opinion. Sure we could be critical, and explain what we didn't like, but we were encouraged to do so in a constructive way. I see stuff every day which i think i don't like, but i always try to see it from another persons point of view, and with understanding that to the person who produced it, it meant a lot. Still i guess some art teachers are different :wink:

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p.s. i am all up for people criticising what i do, i get it every day, and its as valuable as any praise.

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Must admit I wasn't sure about the "No" on the front of WFTSC, it did appear as though it was almost warning the casual record shop punter away. While we know that the dedicated New Order fan will buy any old shit that has the band's name on (even Jetstream, which has already been pointed out had a better sleeve than contents), for something like this you'd have thought that Warners wanted something that could increase sales from other market sectors, but obviously not.

That said, I did like the orange on white, and did like the font used. Plain white with just the small orange writing may have been as effective though!

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I'm curious to know which ones of the 3 WFTSC sleeves was set to be the real album cover at first.

Remember that they actually change the cover at the last minute... I'm quite sure Mr Saville and Mr Wakefield already had tons of things to do and they actually already did the sleeve and had to change it at the last minute due to the tsumani in South Asia.

Who the hell would have complained about the naked asian woman bathing? :evil4:

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Spotnick wrote: Who the hell would have complained about the naked asian woman bathing? :evil4:

Not me! :laugh:

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Nick King wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Who the hell would have complained about the naked asian woman bathing? :evil4:

Not me! :laugh:

ME-i hate BATHS:evil4:

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By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Couldn't believe my eyes whilst browsing through the charity shops in Macc earlier today. I just had to share this with you all. A cowboy-themed easy-listening album from way back yonder but the sleeve caught my eye..... wait a minute... how familiar does this look?

Let's see.... why - all they did was flip the image from left to right and then pass it of as a brand new work of art. It's at times like this that I'm glad I had my digicam on my person! :nod: :thumb: :) :shades:

Has anyone else seen this sleeve before?

If not, consider this a first! ;)

Mate of mine had it or his brother did. Dunno if he still has.

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the Republic era stuff was brilliant design and i like the get ready sleeves too

WFTSC stuff wasn't great

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Well well, Mr Bill Holding, I am truly sorry if I might have trodden on some toes there by my rather abrupt criticism / dismissal of the sleeve design, and I sincerely regret any upset and consternation that may have been caused by what I wrote earlier but, regardless of whether people behind the band and their packaging post here or not, I still stand by what I said about my opinion of them. I don't really like them because they're just a bit on the boring side. If there hadn't been quite as many predominatly white/helvetica covers as we have had over the last few years then obviously my judgement would have taken on a slightly less jaded tone. I guess much of my scepticism has arisen purely from seeing too many of these aformentioned "white" sleeves! ;)

And yes, as an art teacher with certain aesthetic preferences, I myself am not much of a fan of overt minimalism. I prefer seeing colours! Lots of them! However, that is not to say that I disliked any of the older Factory-period minimalist designs that Peter Saville and associates came up with - they just don't - in my view - compare favourably with some of the more recent sleeve artwork that has come out under the New Order name.

HOWEVER, by way of atoning for my obvious lack of enthusiasm for the "Singles" sleeve and the intricate computerised rendering of the True Faith leaf, I have to say that I do find the new 3-D rendering of the "Unknown Pleasures" cover image as shown on your avatar absolutely fantastic - when I first saw that I thought: "wow - what a brilliant way to bring that image up to date". I would love to see that employed on a physical sleeve design - preferably a 12" cover. It would be simply awesome.

:shades: :nod: :thumb:

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