Got to admit norder have been off the stereo in lord 
's house 4 a while,just put sirens on and i fookin loves morning night and day! 
Giauem,bit cheesy but i loves it!
In fact the entire album is better than i remembered!
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Sirens has been back on my record player for the last 3 or 4 weeks.
For a quick bath and shave, numbers 2,10,11,3,4 & 1 are programmed on a continuos loop (at a volume which constantly gets the missus annoyed)
For the not so familiar....Road To Ruin, Turn, Working Overtime, WFTSC, Krafty & Who's Joe.
Turn is definitely in my Top 10 New Order tracks, next favourite is Road To Ruin.....fucking magic 
Shug Sludden wrote:
For a quick bath and shave, numbers 2,10,11,3,4 & 1 are programmed on a continuos loop (at a volume which constantly gets the missus annoyed)
Quick?? What happens when you're preening Shug?
Good luck for tomorrow
It's just two songs for me now - Turn and Jetstream.
Every now and again one of my mates listens to it for the first time in my car and really likes it.
I think I wore it out. Face it, it's no Technique, eh?
But Turn and Jet will be with me forever, I think.
It's only one more day...
Who's Joe, HNWYD, WFTSC, GIAUE and Turn are on the iPod, nothing else ever gets played these days.
Still can't understand why Krafty isn't getting more love... Classic NO POP song, latest in a long line of storming 'comeback' singles (well Regret & Crystal)... WFTSC & Turn make up my holy trinity from the album, all definitely strong enough to get into a Best Of... playlist for me...
Snorri xxx
Snorrimon wrote: Still can't understand why Krafty isn't getting more love... Classic NO POP song, latest in a long line of storming 'comeback' singles (well Regret & Crystal)... WFTSC & Turn make up my holy trinity from the album, all definitely strong enough to get into a Best Of... playlist for me...
Snorri xxx
Krafty is essentialy a rewrite of Regret, but it's still a corker.
actually come to think of it i aint play wfsc album for months.gunna get it out now though for old times sake
Big Black wrote:
Snorrimon wrote: Still can't understand why Krafty isn't getting more love... Classic NO POP song, latest in a long line of storming 'comeback' singles (well Regret & Crystal)... WFTSC & Turn make up my holy trinity from the album, all definitely strong enough to get into a Best Of... playlist for me...
Snorri xxx
Krafty is essentialy a rewrite of Regret, but it's still a corker.
Bit of Face Up in there too, with Hooky vamping on essentially one note for the verse.
I've had Sirens in the car for months now. Only 7 minutes to work though, so I get about one full track there and one back. Always skip number 5 
Snorrimon wrote: Still can't understand why Krafty isn't getting more love... Classic NO POP song, latest in a long line of storming 'comeback' singles (well Regret & Crystal)... WFTSC & Turn make up my holy trinity from the album, all definitely strong enough to get into a Best Of... playlist for me...
Snorri xxx
couldnae said it better meself. WFTSC and Turn are pretty much the bomb diggity, but Krafty is another monster all by itself.
Krafty is a lot like EGG...they both sound GREAT turned up loud!
Peace out!
Krafty rules
Turn and WFTSC are marvelous...The rest are how can I describe them? hmmm,er..shite.
But that does'nt matter much and those 3 more than make up for it
I think they fucked up the running order on it. I'd have dropped Draculas Castle (used it as a b.side), and seeing as Jetstream was a hit released that as the first single followed by the title track with Krafty or GIAUE as the third one.
I know most on here wanted Turn as a single but i think what makes Technique,Lowlife & PCL such good albums is the fact that they have good non single tracks on them.
IMHO
Who's Joe? - The bass in the chorus makes it a classic
Hey Now What You Doing - Good sound, shite lyrics
Waiting For The Sirens' Call - Amazing music, weak lyrics and vocals
Krafty - Chorus is slightly weak but overall great. Drums identical to previous track!
I Told You So - Oh dear. Fucking horrific.
Morning Night And Day - I like it.
Dracula's Castle - Awful title, awful lyrics. Decent sound though.
Jetstream - Too cheesy. Kind of catchy though. Poor vocals.
Guilt Is A Useless Emotion - Half great, half shite.
Turn - Best song on here by a mile. It'd be perfect if it wasn't for "in the corner over there" 9.9/10
Working Overtime - Oops.
Snorrimon wrote: Still can't understand why Krafty isn't getting more love... Classic NO POP song, latest in a long line of storming 'comeback' singles (well Regret & Crystal)... WFTSC & Turn make up my holy trinity from the album, all definitely strong enough to get into a Best Of... playlist for me...
Yeah, I'm surprised about that too. "Krafty" has such a catchy melody that I can't believe people don't like it more. It was this song that brought me back to New order because before it, I haven't listened to New Order for 8 long years! I stumbled on it by accident and I immediately recognized the New Order sound. It really opened my ears. I'm also with you concerning "WFTSC" and "Turn", those 3 are among NO's best.
Big Black wrote: rafty is essentialy a rewrite of Regret, but it's still a corker.
I don't agree, for someone who had listened to both songs years apart, they don't sound similar at all. The first time I heard "Krafty", I recognized the New Order sound but it didn't remind me of any of their past songs.
It's alright.Got some quality,classic N.O.,some ok,some shite.
What's with this calling N.O. songs by their 'working titles'?! Are people just trying to be clever ( oooh,look at me,I know the working titles!!! ) or what? Hurt is not Cramp,Denial is not Little Dead,Your Silent Face is not KW-1.That is not what they're called.Stop it.NOW!!! Fookin' Road To Ruin......might improve the song title,the track is still poor.IMO 
mark kelly wrote: Your Silent Face is not KW-1.
The band themselves refer to YSF as KW-1 on most setlists
Are they smartarses too? 
As for WFTSC, I recently picked up the gatefold vinyl the other week for the ol' collection. As a whole it's more accessible than Get Ready but lacks some of the oomph factor that album had (Crystal, Primitive Notion). Unlike GR there's no tracks on here I dislike... it's more 2/3rds of the album is excellent and the other 1/3 I feel indifferent about. There's some superb melodies on there that get well and truly lodged in your head; notably WFTSC itself.
At the moment I Told You So, Morning Night And Day and Turn get fairly regular spins on my iPod. The album also spawned some cracking remixes in the shape of Morel's Krafty, Richard X's Jetstream and Planet Funk's WFTSC
ally wrote:
mark kelly wrote: Your Silent Face is not KW-1.
The band themselves refer to YSF as KW-1 on most setlists
Are they smartarses too?
Yes.But that's ok.& anyway,they're just being lazy
mark kelly wrote: It's alright.Got some quality,classic N.O.,some ok,some shite. What's with this calling N.O. songs by their 'working titles'?! Are people just trying to be clever ( oooh,look at me,I know the working titles!!! ) or what? Hurt is not Cramp,Denial is not Death Rattle,Your Silent Face is not KW-1.That is not what they're called.Stop it.NOW!!! Fookin' Road To Ruin......might improve the song title,the track is still poor.IMO
Bollocks. Bernard called "Denial" "Little Dead" almost every time he introduced it, including as late as 85, and was still calling "Hurt" "Cramp" in 1985.
oldmonkey wrote:
mark kelly wrote: It's alright.Got some quality,classic N.O.,some ok,some shite. What's with this calling N.O. songs by their 'working titles'?! Are people just trying to be clever ( oooh,look at me,I know the working titles!!! ) or what? Hurt is not Cramp,Denial is not Death Rattle,Your Silent Face is not KW-1.That is not what they're called.Stop it.NOW!!! Fookin' Road To Ruin......might improve the song title,the track is still poor.IMO
Bollocks. Bernard called "Denial" "Little Dead" almost every time he introduced it, including as late as 85, and was still calling "Hurt" "Cramp" in 1985.
That's the point.They've got the exclusive right to call their songs whatever they like.But once they're released into the public domain or whatever,the title is what it is,surely.When other people call them their working titles or fookin' pseudonyms,why? I just don't get it,it just smacks of smartarse-ness to me,or,like you said,bollocks.
Someone mentioned the running order. this is one of the problems of this album IMO. I would have made it up this way:
01 Who's Joe? 02 Waiting for the Sirens Call 03 Krafty 04 Morning Night and Day 05 Dracula's Castle
06 Hey Now What You Doing 07 I Told You So 08 Jetstream 09 Guilt 10 Turn
Working Overtime could be used as a b-side and I think Jetstream could have also been released as a non-album single, doesn't really connect to the rest of the songs and would have made it more special. and most songs are also too long, especially Dracula's Castle, Hey Now and WFTSC (single edit is much better).
overall I now think it's quite a good album but somehow it sounds "old", not as fresh as Get Ready. I think the new fans they undoubtely found with GR were disappointed by the more classic production of Waiting.
As late as '85! Wow! The last 22 years have zipped by.
We could go one step further and call then all "Untitled" or things like "I like that bit, play it again Arthur" - or would that cause too much Confusion do we think.
mark kelly wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
mark kelly wrote: It's alright.Got some quality,classic N.O.,some ok,some shite. What's with this calling N.O. songs by their 'working titles'?! Are people just trying to be clever ( oooh,look at me,I know the working titles!!! ) or what? Hurt is not Cramp,Denial is not Death Rattle,Your Silent Face is not KW-1.That is not what they're called.Stop it.NOW!!! Fookin' Road To Ruin......might improve the song title,the track is still poor.IMO
Bollocks. Bernard called "Denial" "Little Dead" almost every time he introduced it, including as late as 85, and was still calling "Hurt" "Cramp" in 1985.
That's the point.They've got the exclusive right to call their songs whatever they like.But once they're released into the public domain or whatever,the title is what it is,surely.When other people call them their working titles or fookin' pseudonyms,why? I just don't get it,it just smacks of smartarse-ness to me,or,like you said,bollocks.
It's laziness on our part too
And I will always refer to Road To Ruin as Road To Ruin :D
I usually listen to "Who's Joe", "Hey now what you doing", "GIAUE", the Mac Quayle remix of "GIAUE", "Dracula's Castle", "Turn", "I told you so", and the Japanese version of "Krafty".
Shug Sludden wrote:
mark kelly wrote:
oldmonkey wrote:
mark kelly wrote: It's alright.Got some quality,classic N.O.,some ok,some shite. What's with this calling N.O. songs by their 'working titles'?! Are people just trying to be clever ( oooh,look at me,I know the working titles!!! ) or what? Hurt is not Cramp,Denial is not Death Rattle,Your Silent Face is not KW-1.That is not what they're called.Stop it.NOW!!! Fookin' Road To Ruin......might improve the song title,the track is still poor.IMO
Bollocks. Bernard called "Denial" "Little Dead" almost every time he introduced it, including as late as 85, and was still calling "Hurt" "Cramp" in 1985.
That's the point.They've got the exclusive right to call their songs whatever they like.But once they're released into the public domain or whatever,the title is what it is,surely.When other people call them their working titles or fookin' pseudonyms,why? I just don't get it,it just smacks of smartarse-ness to me,or,like you said,bollocks.
It's laziness on our part too
And I will always refer to Road To Ruin as Road To Ruin :D
But...why??
Apologies to for ransacking his thread.I just couldn't be arsed starting a new one,I didn't mean to make a mountain etc. etc......
Shug Sludden wrote: For the simple reason it's better than the title it ended up with.
I thought so,just thought I'd check! & you're right too,shame the song still sucks.
