Who has successfully meshed guitar and synths better...New Odor or Depeche Moe?

New Order and Depeche Mode are two of my favorite bands ever. Both of them have managed to successfully gel synthesizers and guitars beautifully. But who has done it better? NO or DM? Perfect Kiss is a masterpiece and an excellent example...but then, so is Personal Jesus :D

On a New Order site,just a wild stab in the dark,but I reckon New Order might absolutley gub Depeche Mode on this question..

Oh, i know the answer to this one.

it has to be Depeche Mode for sure. quality band. quality synths.

New Order are far less superior to the Mode.

glad i could help you out.

That's me 1-0 down then.

Boatraceface wrote: That's me 1-0 down then.

Id say neither. Stock Aitken and Waterman produced a unique blend of both to create the punk sound for the 80's. This template was copied by Depeche Mode and New Order to lesser success.

NO Regret wrote:

Boatraceface wrote: That's me 1-0 down then.

Id say neither. Stock Aitken and Waterman produced a unique blend of both to create the punk sound for the 80's. This template was copied by Depeche Mode and New Order to lesser success.

New Order are Sonia pastiche ?

You learn something new everyday,eh?

Edit: in terms of commercial success,then you are probably right about Stock and the other daft cunts,but I don't see how New Order copied.

Probably cos you are just taking the piss

Gary Numan and Sisters of Mercy every time.

Defo Romeo Void on this one

NO and DM are rubbish.

Oh FFS!

Doctor? wrote: Oh FFS!

Not familiar with their work, Steve...

Listening to the new Trembling Blue Stars album at the mo... The and Bob Wratten's previous incarnation The Field Mice do/did a pretty good keyboard/guitar thing, albeit in a more indiepop/twee vein...

Durutti Column as well...

Snorri xxx

The Cure :p

Maybe the band that started out playing guitars.

I would say New Order. Close call though but I think the difference is that Depeche Mode makes good guitar-dominated tracks and good electronic-dominated tracks. New Order makes tracks that are both at the same time.

Depeche Mode uses guitars??????

J

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: who are new odor???

The arch-enemy to the band Depeche Moe

Who cares. You enjoy who you enjoy.

In my case I enjoy New Order.....who would've thunk?

N.O. without question,I don't think Depeche started using a guitar until around '89 did they? & then it's only as an effect rather than a lead instrument.Absolutely no argument IMO

It's a joke right???

Depeche Mode are shit whether they use guitars or not

And that's a considered opinion based on years of research

i don't think there's any comparison or likeness at all between the bands.

I've never thought of N.O being like Depeche Mode. both completely different with different fans. Mode fans are like Cure fans. i.e gays and girls.

New Order has much more guitars than Depeche Mode....I listen to both a lot (and I'm fans of both groups!), so that's my opinion. So, New Order have mixed synths and guitars better, only because there's more guitars in their music compared to Depeche Mode. But both are wonderful bands in their own respect, IMO.

King John Honest John wrote: Mode fans are like Cure fans. i.e gays and girls.

well, not all of them are Gays and girls.

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: I still wanna know who new odor is...

Here's a new CD by them:

My favourite DM song by a considerable distance is "Enjoy the Silence" - now I wonder why that might be?

Isamu wrote: New Order and Depeche Mode are two of my favorite bands ever. Both of them have managed to successfully gel synthesizers and guitars beautifully. But who has done it better? NO or DM? Perfect Kiss is a masterpiece and an excellent example...but then, so is Personal Jesus :D

That's an interesting question. The difference is DM is a synth band who later added guitars and NO is a guitar band who later added synth.

DM is definitely better with synths, no argument there. But NO order was "meshing" them together long before DM even picked up a guitar.

My vote goes to NO simply because they were doing it first and because I thought DM did their best work when they incorporated no or very little guitars: the trilogy of albums Black Celebration, Music for the Masses and Violator(to a leser extent)

King John Honest John wrote: i don't think there's any comparison or likeness at all between the bands.

I've never thought of N.O being like Depeche Mode. both completely different with different fans. Mode fans are like Cure fans. i.e gays and girls.

Well, between them those 2 catagories make up a substantial majority of the population, so that's a good marketing decision really. (If by 'girls' you include 'women' of course).

But yeah, DM and NO have zero in common.

Why does this thread still exist.

What's better to breathe....oxygen or dogfarts?

This thread makes me smile everytime I read it!

I still can't decide... let me think...it's a tough one,

no can't make up my mind out of New Odor or Depeche Moe.

Doctor? wrote: Why does this thread still exist.

What's better to breathe....oxygen or dogfarts?

Dogfarts, definately They aid in strong bones and a strong immune system!:p

I'm just curious what DM songs could be called "successful" meshing of guitar and synths?

RichShan wrote: Depeche Mode are shit whether they use guitars or not

And that's a considered opinion based on years of research

LMAO!!!

pumped full of drugs wrote: I'm just curious what DM songs could be called "successful" meshing of guitar and synths?

Barrel of a Gun

Never Let Me Down Again

I Feel You

The Sweetest Perfection

Clean

Personal Jesus

Enjoy the Silence

Dream On

Breathe

Home

Behind the Wheel

Martin Gore is actually a great guitar player...does a lot of interesting rhythmic and textual stuff with the guitar.

His guitar on Barrel of Gun is really awesome.

Live, Gore kicks ass on the guitar. His guitar solo on the live version of ETS on One Night in Paris is awesome.

I think DM and NO are both great at combining synths with guitars......I like both of them equally.....they are both brilliant for different reasons.

pumped full of drugs wrote: I'm just curious what DM songs could be called "successful" meshing of guitar and synths?

Barrel of a Gun

Never Let Me Down Again

I Feel You

The Sweetest Perfection

Clean

Personal Jesus

Enjoy the Silence

Dream On

Breathe

Home

Behind the Wheel

Martin Gore is actually a great guitar player...does a lot of interesting rhythmic and textual stuff with the guitar.

His guitar on Barrel of Gun is really awesome.

Live, Gore kicks ass on the guitar. His guitar solo on the live version of ETS on One Night in Paris is awesome.

I think DM and NO are both great at combining synths with guitars......I like both of them equally.....they are both brilliant for different reasons.

Ermmmm Enjoy the silence is a sampled guitar, and it's clearly a Hooky inspired line.

Pretty sure PJ is an emulator/Emax too, dunno any od the other tracks I'd grown up by then and grown weary of bands who try to be cool.

There are half a dozen songs I still like, but the rest is pish

Doctor? wrote: Ermmmm Enjoy the silence is a sampled guitar, and it's clearly a Hooky inspired line.

LMAO! Best joke in this entire thread!

I'm sure you have proof of this ludacris claim....right?

My Subjective Opinions on the following.

Barrel of a Gun - SHIT! Proof they should've packed it in after "SOFAD"

Never Let Me Down Again - Sampled guitar at the start that fucked up when they hit play on the sequencer...really not a guitar-y song.

I Feel You - Meh, to me, it's Personal Jesus Pt. 2

The Sweetest Perfection - Guitars on this one? I always thought it was just MIDI patches and such.

Clean - Same as above

Personal Jesus - Not my fave Mode song, but good use of guitar...they shouldn't have made it a habit

Enjoy the Silence - Good use, balances synth parts nicely

Dream On - Yawn, a good chill song, nothing more.

Breathe - What was this one again?

Home - Actually one of their better post-Wilder efforts...an oddly affecting song for me for some reason.

Behind the Wheel - Again, guitars (for DM) are best sampled or just not used. Martin really needs to put down the guitar and start writing better tunes.

Rorschach wrote: My favourite DM song by a considerable distance is "Enjoy the Silence" - now I wonder why that might be?

It's better by Lacuna Coil.

*laughs* Air or dogfarts lol Brilliant

Sheds on a Plane wrote:

Breathe - What was this one again?

Breathe: great song of the Exciter album...

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Andrés wrote:

King John Honest John wrote: Mode fans are like Cure fans. i.e gays and girls.

well, not all of them are Gays and girls.

oh yes they are...they just haven't admitted it yet!!!

Spotnick wrote: BTW, while we're at it... Doesn't Killing An Arab sounds like Warsaw?

at the begging i was making fun about you said Nic......but, yes in some parts sounds like warsaw for me too

Doctor? wrote: Ermmmm Enjoy the silence is a sampled guitar, and it's clearly a Hooky inspired line.

Pretty sure PJ is an emulator/Emax too, dunno any od the other tracks I'd grown up by then and grown weary of bands who try to be cool.

There are half a dozen songs I still like, but the rest is pish

The Guitar in Enjoy the Silence is NOT sampled. It was played by Gore on a Gretch country Gentleman Hollowbodied guitar. If you listen carefully, you can see hear the scratching between riffs when he is switching chords.

As for it being inspired by Hooky...it could just as easily be inspired by clean jazz guitar lines.....Ive never really thought of Hooky when hearing that song.

ETS live is a highlight of DM shows.....Martin pays a kickass funk solo in the middle of the song during the drum break.

The guitar line in Personal Jesus is played live as well, both in Concert and on record.

its a tribute to Gore's guitar skill that he plays so well that you think its sequenced.

Sheds on a Plane wrote: My Subjective Opinions on the following.

Barrel of a Gun - SHIT! Proof they should've packed it in after "SOFAD"

Never Let Me Down Again - Sampled guitar at the start that fucked up when they hit play on the sequencer...really not a guitar-y song.

I Feel You - Meh, to me, it's Personal Jesus Pt. 2

The Sweetest Perfection - Guitars on this one? I always thought it was just MIDI patches and such.

Clean - Same as above

Personal Jesus - Not my fave Mode song, but good use of guitar...they shouldn't have made it a habit

Enjoy the Silence - Good use, balances synth parts nicely

Dream On - Yawn, a good chill song, nothing more.

Breathe - What was this one again?

Home - Actually one of their better post-Wilder efforts...an oddly affecting song for me for some reason.

Behind the Wheel - Again, guitars (for DM) are best sampled or just not used. Martin really needs to put down the guitar and start writing better tunes.

I beg to DIsagree.

Barrel of a Gun is a brilliant song. Ill take it over Regret or Krafty any day. Great melody, great lyrics, great synths, great vocals from Gahan, and some pretty mean twisted and distorted guitar.

NLMDA -

Gore plays the guitar riff to this song on a guitar these days, and live it sounds awesome.

The Sweetest Perfection

Gore plays slide guitar all through this song. When I saw Gore solo in LA in 2003, he also played live slide guitar during this song.

Clean

Gore plays tons of slide guitar on this song as well, though the guitar is proccessed through a synthesizer.

Personal Jesus.

I agree.

I Feel You

I loved it when I first heard it....not so much now. Gore rocks it when they play it live.

ETS

I agree with ya. :)

Breathe

Lovely 50's esque lounge song from Exciter with some gorgeous guitar lines and lead vocals from Gore.

Home.

Lovely song.

Behind the Wheel.

I love the guitar on Behind the Wheel. Simple but effective. It plays off the synth line quite well.

One of the best things about DM is that they take guitars and make them sound not like guitars.....Gore does a lot of interesting atmospherics, textures, and sequencer type stuff with his playing.

Dont get me wrong....

I love Barney and Hooky's playing as well.

Zachery Starkey wrote:

As for it being inspired by Hooky...Ive never really thought of Hooky when hearing that song.

Are you deaf?

If I'm correct, the joke around the time the single was released was that Hooky made a guest appearence on it.

NO , of course! What a strange question. DM aren't a guitar band but a synth band! They used guitar long after they started doing music with synths. NO was formely a guitar band. That's make a big difference. And, on the other hand i really don't understand why NO fans can be interested by DM music ? There's nothing common. Nothing. DM sont un groupe pour minets et je déteste leurs machines .

Jeffari-al-Texani wrote:

Now all I'm waiting for is my kiss!!!

Close yer eyes......

.....here it comes....

....I said close yer eyes, I can't do this with them open DAMMIT!