Hooky blames Barney and Steve for split
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Hooky wrote: I work a lot and the other two don't
Hooky, if you're readin' this, forgive me but,
EXCUSE YOU, SIR!?
Steve worked damn well hard for thirty years. 
You oughta be ashamed of yourself for saying such snotty things.
Barney on the other hand... 
Sunshock wrote:
Hooky wrote: I work a lot and the other two don't
Steve worked damn well hard for thirty years.
Barney on the other hand...
Do you have any idea how long a wedding takes to organise? 
Now that, Kath dear, I'm pleading the Fifth on! 
[as i for one am not married and therefore i just don't have a clue! ]
To be fair, I've seen the amount of DJ sets Hooky has been doing both in this country and abroad, plus the amount he's got lined up. He also makes 'special appearances' for charity events, has recorded with Pottsy this year, receives and reviews demos from unknown bands and still gives interviews when he has the time. He also put in time for NOOL day when asked and even donated his fee to charity.
I haven't seen or heard much at all from Barney or Steve, though I may well have missed things. If so, could anyone enlighten me as to what they've both been up to this year (apart from the last bits with New Order) please as I'd like to catch up...? Have they hidden away in a studio to work hard on a new 'New Order' album, single and tour? 
I don't think it's fair to presume that Hooky is necessarily 'wrong' in what he has said until we know the whole truth, if ever. Maybe misguided in not just keeping quiet!
I do agree that both Barney and Steve (plus Gillian and Phil) have also worked hard over the years, but that does seem to have tailed off.
Perhaps there's more to life than work? Are they under any real obligation to entertain us? Hook's Dj'ing is easy money for him - good luck to him.
I'll just wait for something / nothing to happen and get on with life.
Sunshock wrote:
Hooky wrote: I work a lot and the other two don't
Steve worked damn well hard for thirty years.
Barney on the other hand...
He means now.
Hooky is DJing, while Bernard and Steve doesn't have any public activities right now.
FDISK wrote: Perhaps there's more to life than work? Are they under any real obligation to entertain us? Hook's Dj'ing is easy money for him - good luck to him.
I'll just wait for something / nothing to happen and get on with life.
Trust me, he's NOT doing this for the money.
He does it because he enjoys it.. and enjoys meeting the fans.
I work a lot and the other two don't, so people always ask me what's going on with New Order.
Tedious journalistic bullshit!
It is obvious he's referring to the DJ work and why he's always the one who's asked about the split, it's no slur on the other band members at all. Yet another nothing story.
He also said:
I wish it hadn't ended. I wish we could've compromised. Unfortunately the people in the middle have been renouned for being unpredictable and hot headed. I was at Cannes and heard Bernard and Stephen talk about it and it made me sad. But no one was willing to find a way to solve it. Like a Mexican stand off.
johnny james wrote:
I work a lot and the other two don't, so people always ask me what's going on with New Order.
Tedious journalistic bullshit!
It is obvious he's referring to the DJ work and why he's always the one who's asked about the split, it's no slur on the other band members at all. Yet another nothing story.
Thats what i thought blindingly obvious hooky means 'i'm out there, so thats why i'm being quoted' not 'the others are lazy so i won't work with them' which seems to be what the 'journalists' (wankers) are trying to make out
"Hello again Mr Storm". "Ah, Ms Teacup, we seem to have been here for weeks!"
Look, why should we assume Hooky's words have been worked through the journalist's machine? He's said on camera he's sad about the split, with the kind of affect suggesting disappointment in Bernard and Steve. And whether or not Hooky is being honest, he certainly isn't the group spokesman just because he chooses to do interviews. A lot of people around here seem to endlessly defend Hooky and sympathize with him as if Bernard and Steve are dicks for being mum. If silence is what they prefer so be it, but it's getting obnoxious that people take this as an opportunity to slag off Bernard as lazy. Who wants a dispirited New Order? Not me, and if Bernard and Steve want a break, better that than more semi-karaoke.
I forget whether it was both Barney and Steve for saying this before, maybe it was just Barney but they've always been lazy.. that's how the song Blue Monday came about wasn't it? They wanted to just hit 'play', and leave the stage and let the music play by itself on computers?
Truth be told, yes, Hooky is one damned work/travelholic. His DJ schedule alone tells you that much, and his blog tells you even more.
Perhaps the difference in work ethic have spelt the band's doom (for now). I can't imagine the pressure of reaching middle age for each of them hasn't lent it's own encouragement/discouragement. One may be encouraged to output more music as well, and the others may feel "maybe we should take it slower".. especially when knowing how well (or not) received their last album was in sales.
From this true die hard fan.. I wish New Order would get back together and continue creating new and innovative sounds for us, but they are human after all.
Hooky is becoming more and more the official administrator of the New Order/Factory/Manchester inheritance. He seems to live from his past which is ok. But I sympathize with the rest of the band that is not "working hard" to become a human Madchester logo.
I hope it is the end, whilst I enjoyed the last bunch of gigs, the meet up was the best bit.
Give me memories of 1984 anyday 
DIGI MIKE don't yer know wrote: I hope it is the end, whilst I enjoyed the last bunch of gigs, the meet up was the best bit.
Give me memories of 1984 anyday
Have to say I'm in agreement
I know there's that whole thing about how amazingly seminal NewOrder were with their incredible freedom to make amazing ground-breaking music and do things entirely their own way.... But They're not at their creative best anymore really, are they? They have written some (very) good songs over the last two albums but (IMHO) it seems that they've run out of steam a bit.
And all that unpredictability that used to happen at 83/84/85 gigs has just gone... I appreciate that they're "better" live since about 89. But it's a wee bit too polished for me. I just prefer the earlier times, I guess...
Prepared to get slagged for this but....
Don't think you'll get too much negative reaction to the live comment - give me variety and equipment malfunction over the same setlist any day!
A third vote for dodgy gigs over same old same old.
However, I'm not liking the amount of antiHookyism going on hereabouts. A bit of faith or loyalty or something seems owed to a chap who's never once dissappointed when he's picked up a bass for the thick end of 30 years.
And your maj, I think it's more likely he realised he'd be pissing into the wind.
Doctor? wrote:
And your maj, I think it's more likely he realised he'd be pissing into the wind.
i agree my serf.
Doctor? wrote: A third vote for dodgy gigs over same old same old.
However, I'm not liking the amount of antiHookyism going on hereabouts. A bit of faith or loyalty or something seems owed to a chap who's never once dissappointed when he's picked up a bass for the thick end of 30 years.
And your maj, I think it's more likely he realised he'd be pissing into the wind.
See very little 'anti-Hooky' sentiment, more like raised eyebrows. I mean, barely a week goes by without someone slagging Bernard, whatever he's doing or not doing. They're both wonderfully talented, and as a musician I value both. It's too bad that fans on these boards are moving to take sides; all a bit infantile and discouraging.
DIGI MIKE don't yer know wrote:
They're both wonderfully talented
Really, could you explain how please ?
Well, considering how often people say Bernard can't do anything right, I thought it'd be worth emphasizing the pair of them. My comment is certainly no more asinine or redundant than the typical 'Hooky Bass God' wanking or 'Gillian hottie back in the day' crap. But I'll be sure to refrain from stating the obvious in the future.
Reading the article, I don't think Hooky has blamed Bernard & Steve; it's obviously a tricky situation about which they all seem on edge and they're 51 years old for fucks sake, not youngsters keen to break new ground. Who cares if Bernard is lazy; I remember reading an article or seeing an interview (think it was with one of the Chemical Brothers) which said he works really intensely for a few months then stops for the rest of the year, someone of his status has earned the right to work that way as far as I'm concerned. Now it's over I hope he gets the job in the wood yard that he wanted! As much as I love the last two albums, I hope it is the end, I don't want an official announcement, I'd rather they just do what they're doing and resurface occasionally. Seeing AHW ill has really strengthened my feeling on this for some weird reason.
Mountain Man wrote: Reading the article, I don't think Hooky has blamed Bernard & Steve; it's obviously a tricky situation about which they all seem on edge and they're 51 years old for fucks sake, not youngsters keen to break new ground. Who cares if Bernard is lazy; I remember reading an article or seeing an interview (think it was with one of the Chemical Brothers) which said he works really intensely for a few months then stops for the rest of the year, someone of his status has earned the right to work that way as far as I'm concerned. Now it's over I hope he gets the job in the wood yard that he wanted! As much as I love the last two albums, I hope it is the end, I don't want an official announcement, I'd rather they just do what they're doing and resurface occasionally. Seeing AHW ill has really strengthened my feeling on this for some weird reason.
I agree with this. Also, I have been browsing Peter Hook's Myspace page and he is very complimentary about Bernard.
But how would you turn them into squirrels?JV wrote:
Doctor? wrote: A third vote for dodgy gigs over same old same old.
However, I'm not liking the amount of antiHookyism going on hereabouts. A bit of faith or loyalty or something seems owed to a chap who's never once dissappointed when he's picked up a bass for the thick end of 30 years.
And your maj, I think it's more likely he realised he'd be pissing into the wind.
See very little 'anti-Hooky' sentiment, more like raised eyebrows. I mean, barely a week goes by without someone slagging Bernard, whatever he's doing or not doing. They're both wonderfully talented, and as a musician I value both. It's too bad that fans on these boards are moving to take sides; all a bit infantile and discouraging.
Perhaps too strong a word, maybe I could have put it better. There does seem to be a lot of "it's in an article, it must be true". This is New Order FFS, has anyone ever read a 100% accurate article on them...ever? (gig reviews proclaiming them as rock gods or fucked sods do not count)
Anyway, the man treats his band's fans better than some people treat their mates, so nobody should jump to judge him swiftly and harshly, and not feel a prat.
I LOVE slagging Bernard off (though my main beef will always be replacing Gillian with a glorified tape deck because the keys were the weakest link,when that is clearly horse shite), but he IS a bloody genius, a proper one, that's why he seems a twat, the rest of the world just hard to cope with when you're like that. And though he fucks up all over the place, he is one funky FUCKER when he hooks it up.
Must confess though that when I first heard of the breakup, I instantly thought "FFS Barney, sort yerself out!" oooops.
For me New Order were never really the same after they got back together anyway...was there at Reading 98 and it was perfect, amazing, almost religious. And I wouldn't blame any of them for wanting to keep that going but I really think Get Ready and WFTSC were pretty crap compared to the old stuff, and Republic was hardly a classic was it? TBH seeing fucking Anamatronix or whatever her name is with NO at glastonbury made me feel that they should just end it. Its for the best. I don't think Temptation 2015 would be much different and the new stuff that surrounded it could be even more cringe-worthy than seeing Barney dance around with a fag-hag, especially if he has a zimmer by then.
I think this stuff is bad news. Actually it's only Hooky being quoted on 'the split' (if there was one) as the others have stayed silent. I personally could do with a bit of balance on this story i.e something fairly comprehensive from Barney. Seeing as he's got this book coming out - or rather a book about him - soon, how about it, Barn?
Is Hooky being misquoted here or are the sites actually quoting him verbatim? If Hooky is certain that he will not work again with Barney and Steve, then you can be pretty sure that's it as the bloke's irreplaceable as far as the Order are concerned. That's how the Order worked: each of the members was a unique musician and therefore replacing them - no offence to either Gillian and Phil - is impossible.
Will there be a final release and if so what will it be? A round-up double CD comprising out-takes as well as the songs recorded after WFTSC together with a disc of their final performance would be superb.
Taking sides achieves nothing. I'm sad it's over but, if they've decided that's it, that's it.
Peace!!
JV wrote:
Doctor? wrote: A third vote for dodgy gigs over same old same old.
However, I'm not liking the amount of antiHookyism going on hereabouts. A bit of faith or loyalty or something seems owed to a chap who's never once dissappointed when he's picked up a bass for the thick end of 30 years.
And your maj, I think it's more likely he realised he'd be pissing into the wind.
See very little 'anti-Hooky' sentiment, more like raised eyebrows. I mean, barely a week goes by without someone slagging Bernard, whatever he's doing or not doing. They're both wonderfully talented, and as a musician I value both. It's too bad that fans on these boards are moving to take sides; all a bit infantile and discouraging.
That's so true. Barney gets trashed all the time. When I first visited this forum, I thought that New Order fans wanted to boot Barney out of the band so much I read negative things about him.
I dont know what to think/believe about any of this split anymore
With new order, I have learned to just take things as they come
Yes they are my favourite band and want them to stay together but if they want to split then so be it
I will support any side projects by ANY members of new order anyway
I either want a true reconciliation or the end. Not asking for much am I?! ~:)
He's disengenuous when he says "it doesn't really matter" - of course IT FUCKING MATTERS! It's been your life, for Christ's sake! It's the thing you care about more than anything. Maybe the interest among you isn't what it was so, if that's the case, you should agree to call time because there isn't anything worse than just plodding along for the money. If you no longer love it, stop.
just poppin the toilet for my third wank of the day. let us know if they get back together AGAIN while i'm gone.
Why don't they blame the one man who is actually responsible for this...
Ian Curtis, you have so much to answer for...
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Why don't they blame the one man who is actually responsible for this...
Ok, it's all your fault, Jeff...
Snorri xxx
Snorrimon wrote:
Jeffari-al-Texani wrote: Why don't they blame the one man who is actually responsible for this...
Ok, it's all your fault, Jeff...
Snorri xxx
oh my...now I really do feel like crying...
