Never Cry Another Tear Preview

Can you copy it for me?

RM wrote: Can you copy it for me?

2

Spotnick wrote: Just got my promo copy (finally) of the album, while I ordered my digipak on Amazon.

Crappy pictures but it's with my iphone with bad light.. I will give it a few listen and do my review, even if it's a bit biased, I'll try to be honest, but I need to put that on repeat for a while before judging.

(y)

Am I the only one upset with this BLACK & WHITE cover sleeve, I could make this myself on the computer, this is so simple with no effort put into it, I was expecting a nice BRITISH type NEW ORDERISH type of colorful artwork like the other NO cd's, I am very VERY very VERY upset at this sleeve, let's hope that it is only a promo cover because if it is the offical cover that it is beyond horrible.No effort was put in this sleeve cover and when people see it in the store thay won't even bother to look at it or pick it up.

The BL logo is good and I am not complaning about that

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/qid=1246590725/ref=sr_st?keywords=Bad+Lieutenant&rs=229816&page=1&bbn=229816&rh=n%3A229816%2Cn%3A%21520920%2Ck%3ABad+Lieutenant&sort=-releasedate

i like the artwork

Major Tarantino wrote: i like the artwork

Please don't say that, the art work SUCKS and it is HORRIBLE, it has no color or nothing, it is just a simple BLACK & WHITE sleeve, NO and anything related to them are known for their artwork but this is beyond BAD it is TERRIBLE, how are they going to market this album with this scribbled artwork, I am surprised that no one is upset besides me on this issue, I wan some nice BRITISH colored artwork.

Spotnick wrote: You must have loved the Substance artwork.

i am still so confused why someone has an issue with the cover being black and white.

i actually love the cover design. clean, crisp, understated, yet confident, no need for any bullshit.

seems to me to be an odd 30 years later type echoing Unknown Pleasures. just a simple graphic, and some text.

i can see that it isn't everyone's cup of tea, but to HATE IT so much, seems odd to me.

i LOVE the artwork. it just made me do a little dribble.

(graphic reminds me a bit of the seven legged spider that guy tried to pay his bank charges off with though.)

El Jarvo wrote:

Spotnick wrote: You must have loved the Substance artwork.

[cough]Where's your review then?[/cough}

Come on, we're waiting!

The substance is my least favorite cover sleeve, but I don't hate or dislike it like the BL album cover.The BL album cover is just a simple BLACK & WHITE cover with a scribble on the right, even if it is a black & white cover they could have takes some effort,imagination and time. like this one. but the BL cover looks really bad, it looks like one day STEVE'S daughters dropped by and they probably scribbled something on a piece of paper and they just took that and added to the right side of the sleeve, to make it even worse for me will be if the packaging does not come in a jewel case,I hate the paper cardboard flap case that some cd's have now, it better be a jewel case. To me packaging and the cover sleeve is very IMPORTANT especially with NEW ORDER.

I'd rather NOT have the BL album cover look like that REM cover.

Every one has their own taste, I suppose. I do like minimalistic things in general, though.

leather_girl wrote: I'd rather NOT have the BL album cover look like that REM cover.

Every one has their own taste, I suppose. I do like minimalistic things in general, though.

I am not saying that it should look like a rem cover also, but at least they used some kind ot time and interest to make a good cover sleeve, I hope the FREEBASE and the leftover's of the WFTSC tracks have a nice colorful album sleeve, not like the Bl which looks like a cheap techno compilation cover.

linus sulanki wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I'd rather NOT have the BL album cover look like that REM cover.

Every one has their own taste, I suppose. I do like minimalistic things in general, though.

I am not saying that it should look like a rem cover also, but at least they used some kind ot time and interest to make a good cover sleeve, I hope the FREEBASE and the leftover's of the WFTSC tracks have a nice colorful album sleeve, not like the Bl which looks like a cheap techno compilation cover.

Getting stereotypical, are we? Techno compilations?

Sorry if you don't like the artwork so far...although I like the contrast between black and white.

Then again, some like it. Some don't. That's life.

leather_girl wrote:

linus sulanki wrote:

leather_girl wrote: I'd rather NOT have the BL album cover look like that REM cover.

Every one has their own taste, I suppose. I do like minimalistic things in general, though.

I am not saying that it should look like a rem cover also, but at least they used some kind ot time and interest to make a good cover sleeve, I hope the FREEBASE and the leftover's of the WFTSC tracks have a nice colorful album sleeve, not like the Bl which looks like a cheap techno compilation cover.

Getting stereotypical, are we? Techno compilations?

Sorry if you don't like the artwork so far...although I like the contrast between black and white.

Then again, some like it. Some don't. That's life.

I guess I am the only one upset about this, especially the scribble on the right hand side, even if the whole cover sleeve was all black with the logo then it would have been allright but nothing amazing.

I thought I read ages ago that the Art work for the Album would be from a art / design competition at Oakwood school where New Order did that gig and Barney has kept in touch with - anyone know if this has changed?

El Jarvo wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: I am not saying that it should look like a rem cover also, but at least they used some kind ot time and interest to make a good cover sleeve, I hope the FREEBASE and the leftover's of the WFTSC tracks have a nice colorful album sleeve, not like the Bl which looks like a cheap techno compilation cover.

I think it looks a bit like this.

On a much smaller scale, natch.

at least this is nice and colorful.

Second To None wrote: I thought I read ages ago that the Art work for the Album would be from a art / design competition at Oakwood school where New Order did that gig and Barney has kept in touch with - anyone know if this has changed?

Then the student's don't know what art is or the teachers are not teaching any good art, if it did come from that school then they failed at teaching art to the students, look at all of these beautiful album covers that bands are coming out with these days, then BL gives us this cheap scribble.

linus sulanki wrote:

Second To None wrote: I thought I read ages ago that the Art work for the Album would be from a art / design competition at Oakwood school where New Order did that gig and Barney has kept in touch with - anyone know if this has changed?

Then the student's don't know what art is or the teachers are not teaching any good art, if it did come from that school then they failed at teaching art to the students, look at all of these beautiful album covers that bands are coming out with these days, then BL gives us this cheap scribble.

"Then the student's don't know what art is or the teachers are not teaching any good art..."

Erm...

It's an Art College for disadvantaged children - I bet they'll be pleased to hear that...

And, yes, the album cover will be designed by a pupil from Oakwood High School...

"Oakwood High School A Specialist Arts, Technology and Sports College Graphic Art/Album Cover Competition 2009 This competition is open to all special schools nationally. The competition To produce a CD cover design for Bernard Sumner’s (formerly of New Order) band Bad Lieutenant using a combination of dry art mediums i.e. colouring pencils, felt markers and /or pastels. You can also use computer software. If your design is created using a computer you must send a printed colour copy of your final design and your school must keep a copy of the design on a CD. The Rules  Entrants must be aged 11 ‐ 16 years old on the competition closing date.  The graphic design entered must be on paper only and no bigger than A3 size.  Only dry mediums must be used i.e. colouring pencils, felt markers and pastels.  For a design produced on a computer‐ a printed colour copy must be sent in.  If using computer graphics you must keep a copy on disc at your school/centre.  The closing date for the competition is Friday 18th September 2009.  Entries cannot be returned. The winning entry will be announced on the 6th October, at The Lowry Theatre, Salford."

(which indicates that this is not the final design)

Nick King wrote:

linus sulanki wrote:

Second To None wrote: I thought I read ages ago that the Art work for the Album would be from a art / design competition at Oakwood school where New Order did that gig and Barney has kept in touch with - anyone know if this has changed?

Then the student's don't know what art is or the teachers are not teaching any good art, if it did come from that school then they failed at teaching art to the students, look at all of these beautiful album covers that bands are coming out with these days, then BL gives us this cheap scribble.

"Then the student's don't know what art is or the teachers are not teaching any good art..."

Erm...

It's an Art College for disadvantaged children - I bet they'll be pleased to hear that...

I did not mean anything against the students, especially if they are disadvantaged student's so I am really SORRY about that.

Nick King wrote: And, yes, the album cover will be designed by a pupil from Oakwood High School...

"Oakwood High School A Specialist Arts, Technology and Sports College Graphic Art/Album Cover Competition 2009 This competition is open to all special schools nationally. The competition To produce a CD cover design for Bernard Sumner’s (formerly of New Order) band Bad Lieutenant using a combination of dry art mediums i.e. colouring pencils, felt markers and /or pastels. You can also use computer software. If your design is created using a computer you must send a printed colour copy of your final design and your school must keep a copy of the design on a CD. The Rules  Entrants must be aged 11 ‐ 16 years old on the competition closing date.  The graphic design entered must be on paper only and no bigger than A3 size.  Only dry mediums must be used i.e. colouring pencils, felt markers and pastels.  For a design produced on a computer‐ a printed colour copy must be sent in.  If using computer graphics you must keep a copy on disc at your school/centre.  The closing date for the competition is Friday 18th September 2009.  Entries cannot be returned. The winning entry will be announced on the 6th October, at The Lowry Theatre, Salford."

(which indicates that this is not the final design)

OH MY GOODNESS I AM SO EXCITED YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW THIS FEELS, I HOPE IT IS REALLY A NICE COLORFUL COVER.

Nick King wrote: And, yes, the album cover will be designed by a pupil from Oakwood High School...

"Oakwood High School A Specialist Arts, Technology and Sports College Graphic Art/Album Cover Competition 2009 This competition is open to all special schools nationally. The competition To produce a CD cover design for Bernard Sumner’s (formerly of New Order) band Bad Lieutenant using a combination of dry art mediums i.e. colouring pencils, felt markers and /or pastels. You can also use computer software. If your design is created using a computer you must send a printed colour copy of your final design and your school must keep a copy of the design on a CD. The Rules  Entrants must be aged 11 ‐ 16 years old on the competition closing date.  The graphic design entered must be on paper only and no bigger than A3 size.  Only dry mediums must be used i.e. colouring pencils, felt markers and pastels.  For a design produced on a computer‐ a printed colour copy must be sent in.  If using computer graphics you must keep a copy on disc at your school/centre.  The closing date for the competition is Friday 18th September 2009.  Entries cannot be returned. The winning entry will be announced on the 6th October, at The Lowry Theatre, Salford."

(which indicates that this is not the final design)

Hey if you don't mind can you send me a link to this information if it is available, thanks you

linus sulanki wrote: Hey if you don't mind can you send me a link to this information if it is available, thanks you

Sure, no problem.

Here you go

enter our competition to design the first album cover sleeve for Bernard Sumner’s band, "The Unknown".

But the single is released slightly earlier than the album, right?

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote:

enter our competition to design the first album cover sleeve for Bernard Sumner’s band, "The Unknown".

Oh yeah, hadn't noticed that - it also says that it's his "virtual band"...

I think the idea of letting a young kid get the chance to design some artwork for a band is great. Think of the pride they'll get from this - in fact i think it's a pretty noble act on the part of BL.

Regarding the album though, is anyone going to post any reviews yet - i'm itching to know how it sounds...............

linus sulanki wrote:

Major Tarantino wrote: i like the artwork

Please don't say that, the art work SUCKS and it is HORRIBLE, it has no color or nothing, it is just a simple BLACK & WHITE sleeve, NO and anything related to them are known for their artwork but this is beyond BAD it is TERRIBLE, how are they going to market this album with this scribbled artwork, I am surprised that no one is upset besides me on this issue, I wan some nice BRITISH colored artwork.

I bet your thought the Beatles 'white' album was shit.

Let's not get onto Spinal Tap...

Agent Cooper wrote:

Regarding the album though, is anyone going to post any reviews yet - i'm itching to know how it sounds...............

Lazy,thats all i can say at the minute..... review to follow VERY soon!

http://neworderinfoweb.piczo.com

That's pretty awesome re: the Oakwood Design Contest.

Wot? No Peter Saville?

I guess even graphic designers are feeling the bite of recession.

Still; the artwork is cool, kinda representative of Barney's ping ponging into his 4th major group.

Did the kids help write the lyrics in a contest also? Just joking...

Simple and colourless is bad? And I thought I complained too much. Substance cover is cool, BTW. We'll see what the final release is, maybe not worthy of comparison to Saville but whatever. The four rows of bars is pretty cool as a logo, could do alot worse.

Now the first Electronic album cover... now that one borders on bad. And when you compare the first Electronic album to not only all the Saville/Factory cover art, but the Smiths discography, it just doesn't belong on the same shelf artwise. It did have some ugly looking reddish yellow colour thou, if you consider that better than just black and white.

linus sulanki wrote:

Second To None wrote: I thought I read ages ago that the Art work for the Album would be from a art / design competition at Oakwood school where New Order did that gig and Barney has kept in touch with - anyone know if this has changed?

Then the student's don't know what art is or the teachers are not teaching any good art, if it did come from that school then they failed at teaching art to the students, look at all of these beautiful album covers that bands are coming out with these days, then BL gives us this cheap scribble.

The Oakwood school being referred to is a school for SPECIAL NEEDS students. Do you know what that means?

New Order did a special gig for the kids of the school in thier gymnasium, to make them feel special. Bernard later did a musical project with students at the school.

Not once during the whole time did "pompous and self obsessed" (your words) Bernard Sumner mention that he comes from a family of physically and mentally disabled people (his mother and grandparents for instance).

I do know about art, quite a bit, actually, because I studied Art History as an undergrad and I now work in an Art Museum. And I think the BL cover artwork is rather nice.

And I think the single is smashing as well. It's gotten positive responses from everyone I know who has heard it. So, you can think its shit, I think it a great pop song. I don't expect Bernard to reinvent the wheel, I just expect him to write good songs.

And just because someone doesn't see things your way doesn't mean they are wrong.

almansoglasnost wrote:

leather_girl wrote: But the single is released slightly earlier than the album, right?

second single?

If that's the case, that sounds plausible, I suppose.

0_o wrote: Did the kids help write the lyrics in a contest also? Just joking...

Simple and colourless is bad? And I thought I complained too much. Substance cover is cool, BTW. We'll see what the final release is, maybe not worthy of comparison to Saville but whatever. The four rows of bars is pretty cool as a logo, could do alot worse.

Now the first Electronic album cover... now that one borders on bad. And when you compare the first Electronic album to not only all the Saville/Factory cover art, but the Smiths discography, it just doesn't belong on the same shelf artwise. It did have some ugly looking reddish yellow colour thou, if you consider that better than just black and white.

The first Electronic album cover wasn't that bad, IMO, but again, I'm quite happy with that pic of Bernard and Johnny on the cover.

I just created these wiki pages if anyone wants to make any corrections/additions. Also added the BL logo to the main article page:

htp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Lieutenant_%28band%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Cry_Another_Tear

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sink_or_Swim_%28song%29

Spotnick wrote: Just got my promo copy (finally) of the album, while I ordered my digipak on Amazon.

Crappy pictures but it's with my iphone with bad light.. I will give it a few listen and do my review, even if it's a bit biased, I'll try to be honest, but I need to put that on repeat for a while before judging.

(y)

Hey when are we going to get your opinion of the album, I have been patiently waiting because the review is coming from a TRUE New Order fan, I can't wait.

If you have heard it, at least give a description of the music. You don't have to praise or rip it.

Who does vocals for which songs, does Barney do backup on some? Are the songs for each singer distinct? Is their any reggae, disco, acid house, punk, or goth? Breakbeats? Flute solos? Acoustic songs? Something for the dancefloor? Any raps? Guest appearances? Any of those tracks have inappropiate bland female vocals Barney seems to think improve the songs? Any slow jams?

Barney sings on all but 3.

Head Into Tomorrow is a cool acoustic track.

Zachery Starkey wrote:

linus sulanki wrote:

Second To None wrote: I thought I read ages ago that the Art work for the Album would be from a art / design competition at Oakwood school where New Order did that gig and Barney has kept in touch with - anyone know if this has changed?

Then the student's don't know what art is or the teachers are not teaching any good art, if it did come from that school then they failed at teaching art to the students, look at all of these beautiful album covers that bands are coming out with these days, then BL gives us this cheap scribble.

The Oakwood school being referred to is a school for SPECIAL NEEDS students. Do you know what that means?

New Order did a special gig for the kids of the school in thier gymnasium, to make them feel special. Bernard later did a musical project with students at the school.

Not once during the whole time did "pompous and self obsessed" (your words) Bernard Sumner mention that he comes from a family of physically and mentally disabled people (his mother and grandparents for instance).

I do know about art, quite a bit, actually, because I studied Art History as an undergrad and I now work in an Art Museum. And I think the BL cover artwork is rather nice.

And I think the single is smashing as well. It's gotten positive responses from everyone I know who has heard it. So, you can think its shit, I think it a great pop song. I don't expect Bernard to reinvent the wheel, I just expect him to write good songs.

And just because someone doesn't see things your way doesn't mean they are wrong.

Zach, think the quicker and easier reply would be to state:

linus, yer a pendant, so shut yer hole!

Think that about sums it up.

Oh and the artwork is great

[orange]State of Love and Trust [/orange] wrote: Barney sings on all but 3.

Head Into Tomorrow is a cool acoustic track.

So as a New Order fan, how many starts out of five would you give this album.

linus sulanki wrote:

Major Tarantino wrote: i like the artwork

Please don't say that, the art work SUCKS and it is HORRIBLE, it has no color or nothing, it is just a simple BLACK & WHITE sleeve, NO and anything related to them are known for their artwork but this is beyond BAD it is TERRIBLE, how are they going to market this album with this scribbled artwork, I am surprised that no one is upset besides me on this issue, I wan some nice BRITISH colored artwork.

I concur with you. The cover has zero connection with the product (hopefully ;)). The art could be better like those by Peter Saville for Gay Dad.

On the other hand, getting older I realized I care less about cover art and CDs in particular.

"I am surprised that no one is upset besides me on this issue, I wan some nice BRITISH colored artwork."

what color is british?

more seriously, this is a british cover. not sure what you're trying to say there.

wouldn't it be British COLOURED instead of colored?

Unknown Pleasures... black and white Closer... black and white Still ... simple with almost no colour Movement... little color, subtle blue or white PC&L ... classically colourful, British? Low-Life ... black and white and grey Brotherhood... not sure what that is Substance ... black and white Technique... very colourful, is this a good example of British colour? Electronic... two drab colours, and the band name is part of the artwork. Republic... very colourful Raise the Pressure... extremely colourful Twisted Tenderness... mostly a black and white photo Get Ready ... black and white photo, with just that band of colour Siren's Call... just white with coloured letters

this has no point

0_o wrote: wouldn't it be British COLOURED instead of colored?

Unknown Pleasures... black and white Closer... black and white Still ... simple with almost no colour Movement... little color, subtle blue or white PC&L ... classically colourful, British? Low-Life ... black and white and grey Brotherhood... not sure what that is Substance ... black and white Technique... very colourful, is this a good example of British colour? Electronic... two drab colours, and the band name is part of the artwork. Republic... very colourful Raise the Pressure... extremely colourful Twisted Tenderness... mostly a black and white photo Get Ready ... black and white photo, with just that band of colour Siren's Call... just white with coloured letters

this has no point

For me New Order album covers always had some British theme to it, again it's my opinion because they are a British band so that is the reason why.

Spotnick wrote:

(y)

First impressions on hearing the tracks...

Jake Evan's tracks appear to be 4, 9, 10. Track 10 is the least New Orderly of the 10 tracks, you would not guess that Sumner was involved on track 10, but otherwise the other tracks sound like a Sumner product to some extent.

The tracks overall rock more than Sink or Swim, Sink or Swim is the most John Denver-ish. Lots of guitar of different styles but not anything extreme. "Summer Days on Holiday" starts out with some Smiths-ish era style guitar. Some of the guitar is definitely of a style not heard in New Order. But you will recognize many of the New Order/Sumner type of guitar melodies and subtle synth melodies in most of the songs, a few sounds remind me of Technique songs.

This is not a synth pop record, nor any overt stabs at the dancefloor, but does have some synths in the background. Doesn't sound very modern 21st century either, the production is much different from Franz Ferdinand for example. More of a dense, mainstream rock production than New Order in the past. At least no over the hill awful Stooges imitation attempts like "Rock the Shack".

That's true. American covers tend to have faces of the product. Think of Linda Rondstadt, Michael Jackson.

JD / NO Covers were always exqusite. And the merit goes to Saville. The thing is BL is not NO and not even a solo project by Sumner. The other thing is that Peter Saville retired from designing pop covers and if he's bothered to do a cover, he just mocks at what he has done in the past.

Guess which word is the first word of the lyrics in track #8 "Poisonous Intent"??? Hey, I bet you could get it on the first guess.

0_o wrote: Guess which word is the first word of the lyrics in track #8 "Poisonous Intent"??? Hey, I bet you could get it on the first guess.

"Hey now, youre force is spent You have a poisonous intent"

:\ohwell:

0_o wrote:

Spotnick wrote:

(y)

First impressions on hearing the tracks...

Jake Evan's tracks appear to be 4, 9, 10. Track 10 is the least New Orderly of the 10 tracks, you would not guess that Sumner was involved on track 10, but otherwise the other tracks sound like a Sumner product to some extent.

The tracks overall rock more than Sink or Swim, Sink or Swim is the most John Denver-ish. Lots of guitar of different styles but not anything extreme. "Summer Days on Holiday" starts out with some Smiths-ish era style guitar. Some of the guitar is definitely of a style not heard in New Order. But you will recognize many of the New Order/Sumner type of guitar melodies and subtle synth melodies in most of the songs, a few sounds remind me of Technique songs.

This is not a synth pop record, nor any overt stabs at the dancefloor, but does have some synths in the background. Doesn't sound very modern 21st century either, the production is much different from Franz Ferdinand for example. More of a dense, mainstream rock production than New Order in the past. At least no over the hill awful Stooges imitation attempts like "Rock the Shack".

PLEASE tell me that the other songs on the album are better than the track DYNAMO which I heard the full song and was not that impressed with, it sounds like a B-SIDE from TWISTED TENDERNESS.

linus sulanki wrote:

0_o wrote: wouldn't it be British COLOURED instead of colored?

Unknown Pleasures... black and white Closer... black and white Still ... simple with almost no colour Movement... little color, subtle blue or white PC&L ... classically colourful, British? Low-Life ... black and white and grey Brotherhood... not sure what that is Substance ... black and white Technique... very colourful, is this a good example of British colour? Electronic... two drab colours, and the band name is part of the artwork. Republic... very colourful Raise the Pressure... extremely colourful Twisted Tenderness... mostly a black and white photo Get Ready ... black and white photo, with just that band of colour Siren's Call... just white with coloured letters

this has no point

For me New Order album covers always had some British theme to it, again it's my opinion because they are a British band so that is the reason why.

British theme?

Peter Saville is British, but I don't really see much of a British themed thing going on.

NO Regret wrote:

0_o wrote: Guess which word is the first word of the lyrics in track #8 "Poisonous Intent"??? Hey, I bet you could get it on the first guess.

"Hey now, youre force is spent You have a poisonous intent"

:\ohwell:

actually Poisonous Intent goes "Hey there man, where are you gonna go"

Dynamo starts out "Hey there, what you going to do"

Obviously Barney is not self-conscious about this, he even put the songs next to each other.

0_o wrote:

NO Regret wrote:

0_o wrote: Guess which word is the first word of the lyrics in track #8 "Poisonous Intent"??? Hey, I bet you could get it on the first guess.

"Hey now, youre force is spent You have a poisonous intent"

:\ohwell:

actually Poisonous Intent goes "Hey there man, where are you gonna go"

Dynamo starts out "Hey there, what you going to do"

Obviously Barney is not self-conscious about this, he even put the songs next to each other.

So people on this forum have heard this album , how can I possibly get a copy to listen, waiting for a whole month is too much, can anyone help me out with this, I still will buy the album when it come , PLEASE

linus sulanki wrote:

PLEASE tell me that the other songs on the album are better than the track DYNAMO which I heard the full song and was not that impressed with, it sounds like a B-SIDE from TWISTED TENDERNESS.

The more I listen, the more it reminds me of his past 90s songs. I would think the record will remind people of Twisted Tenderness and of Sumner's stuff from Technique on. Some people will like the nostalgia from the synth/keyboard melodies and some of the guitar melodies. May remind people of the some of the second half of Republic also, or the first few songs of Waiting For the Siren's Call, such as track 2, 3, or maybe 6. Never Cry's track 6 is kinda like "Dream Attack". Track 9 starts out alot like "Love Vigilantes" then turns into a bland Jake Evans song.

The rhythm section is more generic than New Order. The emotion is more subtle or bland depending on your opinion. A few spots sound like they were written for Hooky bass, I'm sure people will point out. Like most post Factory New Order records, I think people will find the front half of the record has most of the better songs, like thru 6. Somebody has leaked it. Barney will track down who did it from the watermark in the music and have Phil break your fingers, whoever you are.

I've now listened to it a few times and I'm sad to say that I find it utterly bland and forgettable. The melodies are tired, the arrangements safe and Barney's lyrics are worse than awful. Also, when exactly did Barney become unable to 'pwonouce his aws pwopewly'? He's starting to sound like Elmer Fudd!

Honestly, if it was just some unknown band I'd have binned it after one listen.

jamie fairlie wrote: I've now listened to it a few times and I'm sad to say that I find it utterly bland and forgettable. The melodies are tired, the arrangements safe and Barney's lyrics are worse than awful. Also, when exactly did Barney become unable to 'pwonouce his aws pwopewly'? He's starting to sound like Elmer Fudd!

Honestly, if it was just some unknown band I'd have binned it after one listen.

I think people are right because all the people who have reviewed this album just describe the songs and how they are, no one said that it is good or anything, I hope that it is not true because I did not wait 4 YEARS for this.After hearing DYNAMO I was dissapointed, Sink or Swim I really liked. I still haven't heard the full album only those 2 tracks.

El Jarvo wrote:

0_o wrote: Somebody has leaked it.

Where is it then? Have had a scout round the net and can't find it anywhere!

Can someone give us a link, PLEASE.

jamie fairlie wrote: I've now listened to it a few times and I'm sad to say that I find it utterly bland and forgettable. The melodies are tired, the arrangements safe and Barney's lyrics are worse than awful. Also, when exactly did Barney become unable to 'pwonouce his aws pwopewly'? He's starting to sound like Elmer Fudd!

Honestly, if it was just some unknown band I'd have binned it after one listen.

Aw, shit! That's what my husband's been saying about the "r's" on Twisted Tenderness! I told him he was just being mean & Barney wasn't really saying "sad wefwain," even though he pretty much was. So there's another similarity to TT! Lyrically, it's not too far off, either, if you overlook the lack of "hey's." I'm not going to let it get me down- TT has grown on me considerably over the years & I play it quite a lot. Always loved the title track, in spite (or maybe because) of the Cher-life-after-love-voice effect. If you don't like it, just tell a little lie.... Signed, The Bad News Girl:p

El Jarvo wrote:

0_o wrote: I would think the record will remind people of Twisted Tenderness...

Good god, NO!

I think I'm going to kill myself. :(

Well, hang on for now, not exactly the same. The production is quite different. Never really found Twisted Tenderness to be very listenable personally.

After listening a few times to BL they do seem more New Order like, and the keyboard melodies do sink in the end. The production does seem rather bland at first listen, but they are definitely Sumner at heart. Sometimes some very mediocre guitar takes the place of what would be Hooky bass and you kind of have to ignore it. Sorry to be mean, but I'm not sure that Jake Evans really adds much of interest to this project. The last song, Evans "Head Into Tommorrow" is quite different from the rest, and some may like it, not sure if I would say it sounds original thou.

I decided that the acoustic riff in "Head Into Tomorrow" suspiciously sounds like "Over The Hills And Far Away" by Led Zeppelin.

Also I reckon Sink or Swim is the most memorable of the tracks. It's the only one that I can really remember after listening to the album a few times now. It's a very solid album but some of the songs are just really not my cup of tea. Agree with what 0_o says about Jake Evans, to me he just sounds like Jimi Goodwin from Doves.

6/10

0_o wrote:

linus sulanki wrote:

PLEASE tell me that the other songs on the album are better than the track DYNAMO which I heard the full song and was not that impressed with, it sounds like a B-SIDE from TWISTED TENDERNESS.

The more I listen, the more it reminds me of his past 90s songs. I would think the record will remind people of Twisted Tenderness and of Sumner's stuff from Technique on. Some people will like the nostalgia from the synth/keyboard melodies and some of the guitar melodies. May remind people of the some of the second half of Republic also, or the first few songs of Waiting For the Siren's Call, such as track 2, 3, or maybe 6. Never Cry's track 6 is kinda like "Dream Attack". Track 9 starts out alot like "Love Vigilantes" then turns into a bland Jake Evans song.

The rhythm section is more generic than New Order. The emotion is more subtle or bland depending on your opinion. A few spots sound like they were written for Hooky bass, I'm sure people will point out. Like most post Factory New Order records, I think people will find the front half of the record has most of the better songs, like thru 6. Somebody has leaked it. Barney will track down who did it from the watermark in the music and have Phil break your fingers, whoever you are.

mmm Not sure what to think of this. I love Technique so thats good. I also really like the 1st half of WFTSC. Twisted Tenderness is OK and 2nd half of Republic is the worst music ever by NO (but still ok in relation to other bands). So its sounds the album will be a mixed bag.

I'm just taking all these reviews with a pinch of salt until I actually have the proper album in my hands.

But it's interesting to see all these different opinions, of allegedly the same album (or the same tracks).

PS- About the 'R' pronunciation---I kind of understand what people on here mean on Twisted Tenderness. In the title track of that album, there's that line 'we could always be friends'. Then again, I just thought the way he pronounced it was kinda cute.

state of love and trust wrote"sounds like led zep"

well wouldt be the first time young Bernard has ripped something of Zepplin,, a band notorious for ripping everybody and claiming it as there own.

hey, hey mama what you gonna do

After listening to this album about 4 times, it is a very good album people here will like this album, it is not a classic album but a good one, it has very good guitar playing and good melodies. I am happy with it

Where are you getting advanced copies/mp3's of this release ?!???!?!

The album, at least after a couple listens, really loses steam in the second half. Twist Of Fate is pretty fucking good though, and I quite enjoy Runaway and Running Out Of Luck, even with their adult contempo leanings.

Not so bad.

Twist of Fate

Jake's voice is good too.

6/10

I still can't wait to listen to the other 4 songs

1 - These changes 2 - Walk on silver water 3 - Falling Trees 4 - Split the atom

Let's hope they are good as the rest of the songs on the album

Of course, I haven't got hold of anything except "Sink or Swim" & "Dynamo." I think Barney's taking some risks vocally on "Dynamo," hitting some high notes unlike anything he's done in a long time, and I like that. Might be interesting live...

I'm getting curious now, such divers reactions (and I happen to really like TT :) )

linus sulanki wrote: After listening to this album about 4 times, it is a very good album people here will like this album, it is not a classic album but a good one, it has very good guitar playing and good melodies. I am happy with it

Nice! Were are the lyrics about?

linus sulanki wrote: After listening to this album about 4 times, it is a very good album people here will like this album, it is not a classic album but a good one, it has very good guitar playing and good melodies. I am happy with it

sharing is caring

runwild wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: After listening to this album about 4 times, it is a very good album people here will like this album, it is not a classic album but a good one, it has very good guitar playing and good melodies. I am happy with it

Nice! Were are the lyrics about?

The Lyrics were regular Barney stuff, Alot like new order stuff, one thing that I noticed about this cd was that it has very uplifting lyrics and about enjoying life, that is what I thought about the album, very positive stuff with great melodies.

The line about some woman being as "straight as an arrow through a tree that is hollow" is a high watermark.

I haven't heard it yet, but I'm looking forward to it with excitement and trepidation. I love most of Bernard's 90s work, but judging from Sink And Swim and some of others comments it's not even that good. Once I hear it I'll be able to see where he set the bar. I'm still not sure why he got Jake Evans in the band, aside from helping with singing/lyrics. I hope it turns up in the local CD exchange so I don't have to order it online.

Surf Western wrote: I haven't heard it yet, but I'm looking forward to it with excitement and trepidation. I love most of Bernard's 90s work, but judging from Sink And Swim and some of others comments it's not even that good. Once I hear it I'll be able to see where he set the bar. I'm still not sure why he got Jake Evans in the band, aside from helping with singing/lyrics. I hope it turns up in the local CD exchange so I don't have to order it online.

Don't worry it is a good album, you will enjoy it, great guitar work and great melodies.

linus sulanki wrote:

Surf Western wrote: I haven't heard it yet, but I'm looking forward to it with excitement and trepidation. I love most of Bernard's 90s work, but judging from Sink And Swim and some of others comments it's not even that good. Once I hear it I'll be able to see where he set the bar. I'm still not sure why he got Jake Evans in the band, aside from helping with singing/lyrics. I hope it turns up in the local CD exchange so I don't have to order it online.

Don't worry it is a good album, you will enjoy it, great guitar work and great melodies.

Even "Dynamo"?

Nick King wrote:

linus sulanki wrote:

Surf Western wrote: I haven't heard it yet, but I'm looking forward to it with excitement and trepidation. I love most of Bernard's 90s work, but judging from Sink And Swim and some of others comments it's not even that good. Once I hear it I'll be able to see where he set the bar. I'm still not sure why he got Jake Evans in the band, aside from helping with singing/lyrics. I hope it turns up in the local CD exchange so I don't have to order it online.

Don't worry it is a good album, you will enjoy it, great guitar work and great melodies.

Even "Dynamo"?

Dynamo is probably the weakest song on the album in my opinion but it is still pretty good, again it is my opinion.

any hint where to look. didn't even find a promo on ebay.

I think people will mostly like tracks 1 thru 6, 7 thru 10 seems to be a lower level. The second track is the best rocker, most will like that. Track 4, which seems to be more of a Jake Evans heavy track will get different opinions, especially with a cheesy high voice saying "higher" is the chorus... doesn't work well IMO on what is a decent track otherwise. 5 and 6 are slower Barney songs and will be liked I think.

7, 8, 9 are more of a "throw a bunch of weaker ideas together" into some more rock/dance tracks. Not rock dance by 2009 standards, maybe 80s standards. 8 has Bernard saying "so hit the road jack"

Personally I find a lot of the guitar to be rather mediocre and too mainstream rock, easy to ignore. 21st century guitar rock? Maybe Jake and Phil are good at Guitar Hero?

Hmmm, if it's more WFTSC then Electronic I'll probably buy it and keep it in the house.. but if it's good I may keep it in the car. The thing that worries me is that, even though Sink Or Swim is good, it's not on par with anything of Bernard's 1st album singles. I'm still excited regardless, it's Bernard Sumner.

0_o wrote: 8 has Bernard saying "so hit the road jack"

Classic. Right up there with "the sun was shining at a quarter to eight" (and pretty much all of Miracle Cure) & rhyming "things" with "stinks." I love that kind of shit- can't wait to hear it... :)

I'll find it hard to muster the enthusiasm to go out and buy it when it's officially released let alone hunt for pre release torrents

El Jarvo wrote: So, where's everyone getting this from then?

Can't see a torrent and there's no sign of it on Soulseek.

:(

No joy here either... :mad4:

Burt Reynolds wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: So, where's everyone getting this from then?

Can't see a torrent and there's no sign of it on Soulseek.

:(

No joy here either... :mad4:

Thieves like us?

El Jarvo wrote: So, where's everyone getting this from then?

Can't see a torrent and there's no sign of it on Soulseek.

:(

I've tried demonoid, the pirate bay, rapidshare and megaupload and turned up nothing. Little help anyone?

Ryan wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: So, where's everyone getting this from then?

Can't see a torrent and there's no sign of it on Soulseek.

:(

I've tried demonoid, the pirate bay, rapidshare and megaupload and turned up nothing. Little help anyone?

Looks like someone sent me a PM but I can't access my inbox.

I got the promo, but am not online long enough to spread it around. Honestly, I'm very disappointed with how the project sounds.

Long time lurker, first time poster here. I've been very eagerly awaiting this album! I'm heading into an international residency in a few days and it lasts for a few months. I'm not sure what my internet situation will be but I am sure i will not be near any record shops. Anyway somebody could point me towards where to look for a download for the album? I'm certainly going to still purchase it when I'm able to and support the band! Many thanks, bug

Re-Member wrote: I got the promo, but am not online long enough to spread it around. Honestly, I'm very disappointed with how the project sounds.

x2 :(

http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2203148

Simon Simpson wrote: http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2203148

Need to be registered and it looks like they are full. :evil:

Worked for me.

errrmmm...

Had a good listen, and will road test over next couple of days. First thing that sticks out is that Barney deffo cant write lyrics any more. There are a lot of odd influences on the album - I can hear a bit of The Who, Johnny Marr, Beatles, Stone Roses and even Hendrix.

Some of the songs are definitely poor. Standout tracks for me so far are 'Summer Days on Holiday', and 'Dynamo'. Much of it sounds like a happy Doves album with Jake's vocals.

Simon Simpson wrote: http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2203148

This isn't working - "registration closed" - is it even legit?

I've got 48 hours before I leave, wanted to track this down to accompany me on my journey. :(

I downloaded it on Soulseek on Saturday and it is very good!

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2065228/30587488/

Burt Reynolds wrote: errrmmm...

Had a good listen, and will road test over next couple of days. First thing that sticks out is that Barney deffo cant write lyrics any more. There are a lot of odd influences on the album - I can hear a bit of The Who, Johnny Marr, Beatles, Stone Roses and even Hendrix.

Some of the songs are definitely poor. Standout tracks for me so far are 'Summer Days on Holiday', and 'Dynamo'. Much of it sounds like a happy Doves album with Jake's vocals.

Little bit of Led Zeppelin also... assume one of the younger guys is more into the "classic" rock. I was expecting a solo or two to go full David Gilmour, but they showed a little restraint. Seems rather a mediocre aspect to me, and not Barney's strength as a producer.

"crisp, streamlined, 21st century guitar music"

I have to correct myself... the new album is not very good, it's great! Thank God Bernard is not stuck in the past, maybe he could teach this new so-called electronic acts how to make music that doesn't sound like a ten-year-old playing with a Casio! Comparing Jake Evans vocals with Jimi Goodwin's is a long shot, but you can surely see a clear Doves influence on the tracks he sings. His backing vocals, specially on tracks 1, 2 and 4 are really cool, too. Phil Cunningham is another pleasant surprise. You can see a lot of The Smiths influence on his playing, but how can that be bad?

 This is the kind of sound I expected to hear when I first heard of Electronic.  Tracks people are complaining about are really the weakest: Dynamo (not a bad song, just a bad, bad chorus... nobody has mentioned it, but the keyboard line is the guitar riff of We Won't Get Fooled Again by The Who), Poisonous Intent (if only the keyboard part was higher on the mix, this song would be a killer) and Head into Tomorrow (the Led Zeppelin song, actually The Rain Song off The Houses of the Holy, let's hope Jimmy Page doesn't sue)!

 My 2009 favorite albums/singles so far:

• Bad Lieutenant: Never Cry Another Tear;
• Sonic Youth: The Eternal;
• Pearl Jam: Backspacer;
• The Crystal Method: Divided by Night;
• Nelly Furtado: Mi Plan;
• Jay-Z: The Blueprint 3;
• A-ha: The Foot of the Mountain;
• Pet Shop Boys: Yes;
• Kraak & Smak ft. Ben Westbeech: Squeeze Me;
• David Vendetta ft. Barbara Tucker: Anticipation.

I am shocked of how GOOD and AMAZING this album is, I was in Canada this week for a friends weeding and I was listening to it the whole week and I was blown away with the music, the guitar and the melody are amazing, I don't know why people are putting this album down for, this album is a SUMNER CLASSIC.

Simon Simpson wrote: http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2065228/30587488/

Torrent not found	

The torrent you requested was deleted by it's owner or a moderator.

lol can't win.

edit: It's been relocated!

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/2065277/4949448/

Listening now. I rearranged the track numbers to leave room for the other 4 tracks once they surface. I really like "Twist Of Fate"!

this lp is brilliant. i really feel out of touch with new order fans who don't like these songs.

i found thieves like us on the radio back in 1985, and have been a fan ever since.

i am the type of nutter fan who teared up when he first heard the last minute of Every Little Counts to conclude the Brotherhood vinyl... it was just majestic.

And I played in a load of bands who covered way too many Joy Division numbers, but I loved every minute of it.

Runaway is just amazing.

This is really some beautiful new music.

El Jarvo wrote:

Sink or Swim is easily the standout track, can see why it's the single.

I was just thinking that I can't understand why they've picked Sink or Swim. Far better tracks than that to choose from imho. I love Twist of Fate and Summer days on Holiday in particular. Rest sounds good enough to make me think it'll be well worth seeing them live.

El Jarvo wrote: It's just a bit bland, innit? And a tad safe.

Absolutely no rough edges, no big beats, no electronica, and far too many jingly-jangly geetars. Which, in truth, was probably the way New Order were going too, sadly.

Sink or Swim is easily the standout track, can see why it's the single. Poisonous Intent promises but seems to shackled by rather bland production. Twist of Fate might be a good singalongsong, it reminds me of Sirens, the track. Sadly, half the album is remarkably forgettable though.

Just sounds like any other dot-to-dot generic Manc band to me. Get some lads in with some cool haircuts and trainees and chuck a load of guitars at them. The kids'll love it, hopefully.

Be interesting to see how this pans out in the live environment though. Anyone got a lighter I can borrow?

Don't do it, Al!!!

Some smashing Elmer Fudd pronounciations again.

"Cwashing cars" is my current fave.

Zapppanddoinnng !!!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HL8M0KQQ

cheers,

|cv|

I don't mind that people download this album, but when it comes out I hope that people would support and buy the album. This album is very good and when it comes out I will be doing my part and buying two copies to support them. Anything NO related I have to buy, I just can't have a mp3 copy, I need the sleeve and everything that comes with the cd packaging, I downloaded it like the rest of us here because I can't wait a month to hear this great album but when this album comes out I will definitely buy it and so should every one else who downloads it, let's support this great band and show our love to them.

linus sulanki wrote: I don't mind that people download this album, but when it comes out I hope that people would support and buy the album. This album is very good and when it comes out I will be doing my part and buying two copies to support them. Anything NO related I have to buy, I just can't have a mp3 copy, I need the sleeve and everything that comes with the cd packaging, I downloaded it like the rest of us here because I can't wait a month to hear this great album but when this album comes out I will definitely buy it and so should every one else who downloads it, let's support this great band and show our love to them.

As ever, I'm caught between pondering the unfeasibly vast cultural gap between the United Kingdom and our brethren across the pond, and wondering if maybe - just maybe - a significant percentage of the septics on here actually require serious mental health treatment.

linus sulanki wrote: I don't mind that people download this album, but when it comes out I hope that people would support and buy the album.

Well said. I'll definitely be getting the official product, if only for the lovely squiggle :)

El Jarvo wrote: It's just a bit bland, innit?

Yep Even after 4 listens.

It sounds like an Embrace tribute album

I really hope they play some New Order songs at the Ritz.

Some will like it, some will not...some might find it in between those two.

linus sulanki wrote: This album is very good and when it comes out I will be doing my part and buying two copies to support them.

Bernard Sumner gotta eat!

leather_girl wrote: Some will like it, some will not...some might find it in between those two.

I'm just happy to hear Bernard's voice again really.

I went to download off a torrent site last night. but i couldnt access it. then i got a guilt complex and thought to myself, these guys have put alot of effort into making the album who am i to get it for free.

so i'd rather wait and buy the CD. im not knocking those that download this way its just my choice.£9 is nothing.

El Jarvo wrote:

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: I don't mind that people download this album, but when it comes out I hope that people would support and buy the album. This album is very good and when it comes out I will be doing my part and buying two copies to support them. Anything NO related I have to buy, I just can't have a mp3 copy, I need the sleeve and everything that comes with the cd packaging, I downloaded it like the rest of us here because I can't wait a month to hear this great album but when this album comes out I will definitely buy it and so should every one else who downloads it, let's support this great band and show our love to them.

As ever, I'm caught between pondering the unfeasibly vast cultural gap between the United Kingdom and our brethren across the pond, and wondering if maybe - just maybe - a significant percentage of the septics on here actually require serious mental health treatment.

Am I alone in thinking Linus is some sorta comedy parody character invented by a.n.other poster on here? You know, a Miss Rita for the happy clappy brigade.

No real person could surely ever be so utterly enthusiastic about all things New Order, and related. Could they?

It's quite endearing. I wish I could get that excited about stuff.

No I am a real person and I am from New York City and I genuinely love this band and have everything by them, their music means so much to me, the new BL album is very good also, I am shocked of how good it is, I know I sound korny but I have to be honest.

linus sulanki wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: I don't mind that people download this album, but when it comes out I hope that people would support and buy the album. This album is very good and when it comes out I will be doing my part and buying two copies to support them. Anything NO related I have to buy, I just can't have a mp3 copy, I need the sleeve and everything that comes with the cd packaging, I downloaded it like the rest of us here because I can't wait a month to hear this great album but when this album comes out I will definitely buy it and so should every one else who downloads it, let's support this great band and show our love to them.

As ever, I'm caught between pondering the unfeasibly vast cultural gap between the United Kingdom and our brethren across the pond, and wondering if maybe - just maybe - a significant percentage of the septics on here actually require serious mental health treatment.

Am I alone in thinking Linus is some sorta comedy parody character invented by a.n.other poster on here? You know, a Miss Rita for the happy clappy brigade.

No real person could surely ever be so utterly enthusiastic about all things New Order, and related. Could they?

It's quite endearing. I wish I could get that excited about stuff.

No I am a real person and I am from New York City and I genuinely love this band and have everything by them, their music means so much to me, the new BL album is very good also, I am shocked of how good it is, I know I sound korny but I have to be honest.

Nah, youre never find anyone excited about New Order. Especially on a New Order related website. Have you heard the new Muse album yet?

NO Regret wrote:

linus sulanki wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: I don't mind that people download this album, but when it comes out I hope that people would support and buy the album. This album is very good and when it comes out I will be doing my part and buying two copies to support them. Anything NO related I have to buy, I just can't have a mp3 copy, I need the sleeve and everything that comes with the cd packaging, I downloaded it like the rest of us here because I can't wait a month to hear this great album but when this album comes out I will definitely buy it and so should every one else who downloads it, let's support this great band and show our love to them.

As ever, I'm caught between pondering the unfeasibly vast cultural gap between the United Kingdom and our brethren across the pond, and wondering if maybe - just maybe - a significant percentage of the septics on here actually require serious mental health treatment.

Am I alone in thinking Linus is some sorta comedy parody character invented by a.n.other poster on here? You know, a Miss Rita for the happy clappy brigade.

No real person could surely ever be so utterly enthusiastic about all things New Order, and related. Could they?

It's quite endearing. I wish I could get that excited about stuff.

No I am a real person and I am from New York City and I genuinely love this band and have everything by them, their music means so much to me, the new BL album is very good also, I am shocked of how good it is, I know I sound korny but I have to be honest.

Nah, youre never find anyone excited about New Order. Especially on a New Order related website. Have you heard the new Muse album yet?

Yes I heard the clips , I will be buy about 3 songs from that album, I am not too crazy about them but I like STARLIGHT and MAP OF THE PROBLEMETIQUE, they are getting very big in USA.

NO Regret wrote:

linus sulanki wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: I don't mind that people download this album, but when it comes out I hope that people would support and buy the album. This album is very good and when it comes out I will be doing my part and buying two copies to support them. Anything NO related I have to buy, I just can't have a mp3 copy, I need the sleeve and everything that comes with the cd packaging, I downloaded it like the rest of us here because I can't wait a month to hear this great album but when this album comes out I will definitely buy it and so should every one else who downloads it, let's support this great band and show our love to them.

As ever, I'm caught between pondering the unfeasibly vast cultural gap between the United Kingdom and our brethren across the pond, and wondering if maybe - just maybe - a significant percentage of the septics on here actually require serious mental health treatment.

Am I alone in thinking Linus is some sorta comedy parody character invented by a.n.other poster on here? You know, a Miss Rita for the happy clappy brigade.

No real person could surely ever be so utterly enthusiastic about all things New Order, and related. Could they?

It's quite endearing. I wish I could get that excited about stuff.

No I am a real person and I am from New York City and I genuinely love this band and have everything by them, their music means so much to me, the new BL album is very good also, I am shocked of how good it is, I know I sound korny but I have to be honest.

Nah, youre never find anyone excited about New Order. Especially on a New Order related website. Have you heard the new Muse album yet?

You two are defo 100% marriage material.

Nah, youre never find anyone excited about New Order. Especially on a New Order related website. Have you heard the new Muse album yet?

You two are defo 100% marriage material.

You mean 100% NEW ORDER marriage material, but you better be a hot girl.

linus sulanki wrote: I don't mind that people download this album, but when it comes out I hope that people would support and buy the album. This album is very good and when it comes out I will be doing my part and buying two copies to support them. Anything NO related I have to buy, I just can't have a mp3 copy, I need the sleeve and everything that comes with the cd packaging, I downloaded it like the rest of us here because I can't wait a month to hear this great album but when this album comes out I will definitely buy it and so should every one else who downloads it, let's support this great band and show our love to them.

I just downloaded it (thanks for the link!) but I'll buy it when it comes out anyway - it's only right. If you want people to continue to make music (or any art for that matter) they have to be able to make some money from it.

After a brief listen, i think its pretty good personally. Doesn't sound much like NO, or Electronic which i'm glad he's avoided doing. Deffo a bit of the Doves in places but refeshingly different sounding. Have to admit when i heard the single which is the only real electronicy song my heart sank. i like electronic but another re-hash of that we don't need or an album of NO without the bass. Not really a strong single on there though. 8/10.

NO Regret wrote: I went to download off a torrent site last night. but i couldnt access it. then i got a guilt complex and thought to myself, these guys have put alot of effort into making the album who am i to get it for free.

so i'd rather wait and buy the CD. im not knocking those that download this way its just my choice.£9 is nothing.

i would imagine that those of us who like it are going to purchase it when it is released.

plus, i like it so much i will be talking it up, mentioning it on other forums, probably make them another 10 sales.

i have no problem getting in a free advance listen. and they shouldn't either.

has anybody heard the other songs on the album.

• THESE CHANGES
• WALK ON SILVER WATER
• FALLING TREES
• SPLIT THE ATOM

and if you did are they good.

linus sulanki wrote: has anybody heard the other songs on the album.

• THESE CHANGES
• WALK ON SILVER WATER
• FALLING TREES
• SPLIT THE ATOM

and if you did are they good.

Nope , but I hope they are better than the first 10 dull tracks.

Ger Boy wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: has anybody heard the other songs on the album.

• THESE CHANGES
• WALK ON SILVER WATER
• FALLING TREES
• SPLIT THE ATOM

and if you did are they good.

Nope , but I hope they are better than the first 10 dull tracks.

I hope that they are just good as these tracks, how can you say they are dull, they are very good tracks with great melodies,guitars and synths.

linus sulanki wrote:

Ger Boy wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: has anybody heard the other songs on the album.

• THESE CHANGES
• WALK ON SILVER WATER
• FALLING TREES
• SPLIT THE ATOM

and if you did are they good.

Nope , but I hope they are better than the first 10 dull tracks.

I hope that they are just good as these tracks, how can you say they are dull, they are very good tracks with great melodies,guitars and synths.

I have given it a chance. Five times i've played it now. But I still can't remember how a song goes after I have just heard it - very forgettable music.

I love New Order , Electronic and anything else Mr Sumner works on. But not this. I just find this project utterly dull, it's about as exciting as listening to Snow Patrol or Embrace.

Nobody's addressing the most important question- how much whooping is evident? a)none b)occasional c)every track d)not many, but space is reserved to insert them in the live performance if it feels right.

(woo)

nataliet wrote: Nobody's addressing the most important question- how much whooping is evident? a)none b)occasional c)every track d)not many, but space is reserved to insert them in the live performance if it feels right.

(woo)

Hopefully lots, that'll give me something to smile about!

(And, hopefully quite a lot of "C'MON's!")!

Listened to the advance and I gotta say, musically it doesn't blow me away, but I think this album's really good. It holds together well as a whole, better than, say Raise the Pressure or WFTSC, and has some nice bright spots. But I'm a sucker for Bernard's life is great stuff, so I actually think Dynamo is one of the better tracks.

But what's the deal with the Dove's track at the end?

"better than, say Raise the Pressure or WFTSC"

Thems' fightin' words. I LOVE wftsc (oddly with the exception of Krafty - I know many love this track but I find it kind of annoying).

With all the seemingly initial disappointment for NCAT on the forum, I'm pleasantly surprised that I like the album as much as I do. I can't say it's truly great but I do really like the first half of the album. Very solid tracks and it's just so good to hear Bernard on new material. I do think Sink or Swim is the obvious single and the best track but it could run a tad shorter. The melodies overall are strong, the production is a bit ho-hum and I'd prefer some stronger beats overall. And not to be a total dick but I could definitely do without Jake. Just let Barney handle the vocals. For me, 6 good tracks out of 10 ain't perfect but I'll happily take it over no new material!

bug wrote: "better than, say Raise the Pressure or WFTSC"

Thems' fightin' words. I LOVE wftsc (oddly with the exception of Krafty - I know many love this track but I find it kind of annoying).

With all the seemingly initial disappointment for NCAT on the forum, I'm pleasantly surprised that I like the album as much as I do. I can't say it's truly great but I do really like the first half of the album. Very solid tracks and it's just so good to hear Bernard on new material. I do think Sink or Swim is the obvious single and the best track but it could run a tad shorter. The melodies overall are strong, the production is a bit ho-hum and I'd prefer some stronger beats overall. And not to be a total dick but I could definitely do without Jake. Just let Barney handle the vocals. For me, 6 good tracks out of 10 ain't perfect but I'll happily take it over no new material!

I wasn't saying it's better than either, just saying as an album you listen to front to end, it hangs together better than those. The other have big highs and big lows - and I especially love WFTSC and I think am a bigger fan of RTP than most. NCAT reminds me - and I know this is a very specific sort of association - but of the very best of classic rock on a summer's day heading to the beach. Ultimately, I say there's a lot more on both WFTSC and RTP to love and hate -- but given that people really seem cold to the Bad Lieutenant, I felt I had to say I think it's a good disc end to end.

I've been listening this album morning to night like everyday. Of course, I pre-ordered CD on Amazon.

Sink Or Swim...2/5 Twist Of Fate...5/5 Summer Days On Holiday ...3/5 This Is Home...4/5 Runaway...4/5 Running Out Of Luck...2/5 Dynamo...1/5 Poisonous Intent...2/5 Shine Like The Sun...3/5 Head Into Tomorrow...3/5

overall 3/5

Let's just hope that people find out about this album, this album need to be heard so it will get noticed and people will love it.

informan wrote: I've been listening this album morning to night like everyday. Of course, I pre-ordered CD on Amazon.

Sink Or Swim...2/5 Twist Of Fate...5/5 Summer Days On Holiday ...3/5 This Is Home...4/5 Runaway...4/5 Running Out Of Luck...2/5 Dynamo...1/5 Poisonous Intent...2/5 Shine Like The Sun...3/5 Head Into Tomorrow...3/5

overall 3/5

I give it 4/5 it's not a classic but it is very good.

informan wrote: I've been listening this album morning to night like everyday. Of course, I pre-ordered CD on Amazon.

Sink Or Swim...2/5 Twist Of Fate...5/5 Summer Days On Holiday ...3/5 This Is Home...4/5 Runaway...4/5 Running Out Of Luck...2/5 Dynamo...1/5 Poisonous Intent...2/5 Shine Like The Sun...3/5 Head Into Tomorrow...3/5

overall 3/5

I do think I am the only person in the northern hemisphere who likes Dynamo. Although, who the F*** knows what a hound dog is, outside of Graceland?

i love Dynamo. it is about as far as one can get from new order, and i like that, cause the song surprisingly works.

all the NCAT hat0rz can go back to 1983 and listen to Age of Consent for the 100000000th time.

often, my fave records are meh when i first hear them, but then they grow on me. pretty sure i was hesitant at first about all the records that are now considered classics. one of my fave lps of all time, Technique, I recall being a bit hmmmmm about on first listen.... but then it sucked me in.

NCAT gets better each listen.

i feel sorry for folks who cannot chill out enough to enjoy this.

(i am surprised AJ Wells is not here yet, joining all of you in the Sumner pillaging....)

my faves so far:

-This is home -Dynamo -Poisonous Intent -Running out of luck -Sink Or Swim

the rest is shite

nataliet wrote: Nobody's addressing the most important question- how much whooping is evident? a)none b)occasional c)every track d)not many, but space is reserved to insert them in the live performance if it feels right.

(woo)

I think it is pretty much whoopless. You have to provide your own whoops.

There is on #4 a voice that sounds like it is on helium saying "higher" in the chorus. It is stupid IMO.

Sink Or Swim...3/5
Twist Of Fate...4/5 Summer Days On Holiday ...2/5 This Is Home...4/5 Runaway...3/5 Running Out Of Luck...2/5 Dynamo...1/5 Poisonous Intent...1/5 Shine Like The Sun...1/5 Head Into Tomorrow...1/5

Overall - 2/5

Tarbox23 wrote: i love Dynamo. it is about as far as one can get from new order, and i like that, cause the song surprisingly works.

all the NCAT hat0rz can go back to 1983 and listen to Age of Consent for the 100000000th time.

often, my fave records are meh when i first hear them, but then they grow on me. pretty sure i was hesitant at first about all the records that are now considered classics. one of my fave lps of all time, Technique, I recall being a bit hmmmmm about on first listen.... but then it sucked me in.

NCAT gets better each listen.

i feel sorry for folks who cannot chill out enough to enjoy this.

(i am surprised AJ Wells is not here yet, joining all of you in the Sumner pillaging....)

I am with you, this album is great how can people not enjoy this album, when it comes out I think the general audience will love it, people on this forum are too serious and critical, I know when I hear good music and this is good music.

linus sulanki wrote: has anybody heard the other songs on the album.

• THESE CHANGES
• WALK ON SILVER WATER
• FALLING TREES
• SPLIT THE ATOM

and if you did are they good.

I'm eagerly awaiting those too.

Whoever said Dynamo sounds like Won't Get Fooled Again is right. Would've been way more clever if they made the synth/sequencer sound like EGG.

I loved. soon: more one classic album for my collection.

linus sulanki wrote: I am with you, this album is great how can people not enjoy this album, when it comes out I think the general audience will love it, people on this forum are too serious and critical, I know when I hear good music and this is good music.

I really wanted to enjoy this album ,and had hoped for a cracker. I have played it enough times and still find it really boring. I'm not being critical .I'm even off to see them live next month.

I agree with this quote from another thread

linus sulanki wrote: but it’s really struggling to grab my attention in any meaningful way. .

Ger Boy wrote:

I agree with this quote from another thread

linus sulanki wrote: but it’s really struggling to grab my attention in any meaningful way. .

Is Barney even TRYING to grab your attention in a meaningful way? Doesn't seem like it. Seems like it is suppossed to be nice and kinda bland. If you want nice, safe, and bland, here you go.

Some of the songs are nice, have melodies that remind you of past songs. The record fades in the second half. Some of the production seems like he could have used a second opinion. I suppose some could argue that Barney is being cool by being uncool, others may think he is just getting old. Sure it is nice to have him at work again, you just have to have your expectations set low.

Most songs seem to lack a memorable Hook.

not getting the doves comparisons - there jsut isn't the same gorgeous uplifting yet still melancholic feel to it

that said, it's pleasant enough will prolly still get the version with the extra 7"

Not as bad as I expected, at least as good as WFTSC (which is my least favorite NO album...). Twist of Fate is actually the better WFTSC. But I didn't like Run Wild, so I don't like Runaway.

hibster wrote:

not getting the doves comparisons - there jsut isn't the same gorgeous uplifting yet still melancholic feel to it

The intro to Head Into Tomorrow, whilst mostly sounding like Led Zepplin, contains an element that sounds as if it was stolen wholesale from Where We're Calling From.

Well, I broke down and downloaded it.

I love Never Cry Another Tear! Cannot wait to buy it when it comes out!

Its a very upbeat, poppy, catchy album, full of nice, uplifting melodies and solid songwriting. Bernard's voice sounds fantastic, he is very expressive, and I would say this record actually contains some of his best vocal work.

The whole record sounds very New Order-ish, I would say a sort of mix of bits of Technique and Republic, with a lot of WFTSC thrown in. Its got a lot of really great, tasteful guitar work, and the songs are general pretty catchy. There are synths on the record, they add a lot of nice subtle melodies and counter melodies to the guitars.

It's not a mind blowing groundbreaking record, but its a lovely record with great, melodic, melancholy yet uplifting songs. It has a very New Order-ish feel to it, but you can hear somes Doves and Smiths influences as well.

Sink or Swim is, of course, a cracking single..

But...for me....the next best song is..

POISONOUS INTENT.

It's a fantastic track and totally reminds me of Technique era New Order.

It starts off with the strange sort of country fiddle guitar before a dancey beat, funky bass, and wash of icy synths kick in and take the song off into the air. The song has a fat electronic bassline and lots of thick, fat synth stabs and synth melodies, as well as some really cool programmed percussive bits, and its three kinds of guitar styles, the fiddle-ish style that starts it, some some rock power chords,and some funky New order/Happy Mondays guitar lines.

Its a great song, great melody, very dancey and electronic, lots of great synths and guitar work, and it should rock live.

Its a good album! I really like it!

So, can I ask the sane people, am I right in thinking that it's the big pile of shite that we all knew in our hearts it was gonna be? And let's be honest, did anyone expect anything else?

I don't know how that torrent shizz works so haven't heard it and to be honest, I've not given the new Cribs or Mew albums the rotation they deserve over the last week so, on that basis, I'm afraid I won't be investing.....I'm out.

GlasVegas wrote: So, can I ask the sane people, am I right in thinking that it's the big pile of shite that we all knew in our hearts it was gonna be? And let's be honest, did anyone expect anything else?

I don't know how that torrent shizz works so haven't heard it and to be honest, I've not given the new Cribs or Mew albums the rotation they deserve over the last week so, on that basis, I'm afraid I won't be investing.....I'm out.

You are making a big mistake by not listening to the BL album it is great, I heard the Mew and the Cribs and wasn't that impressed with it to buy or download it, the cribs has one song called " we share the same skies" which is good.

Zachery Starkey wrote: Well, I broke down and downloaded it.

I love Never Cry Another Tear! Cannot wait to buy it when it comes out!

Its a very upbeat, poppy, catchy album, full of nice, uplifting melodies and solid songwriting. Bernard's voice sounds fantastic, he is very expressive, and I would say this record actually contains some of his best vocal work.

The whole record sounds very New Order-ish, I would say a sort of mix of bits of Technique and Republic, with a lot of WFTSC thrown in. Its got a lot of really great, tasteful guitar work, and the songs are general pretty catchy. There are synths on the record, they add a lot of nice subtle melodies and counter melodies to the guitars.

It's not a mind blowing groundbreaking record, but its a lovely record with great, melodic, melancholy yet uplifting songs. It has a very New Order-ish feel to it, but you can hear somes Doves and Smiths influences as well.

Sink or Swim is, of course, a cracking single..

But...for me....the next best song is..

POISONOUS INTENT.

It's a fantastic track and totally reminds me of Technique era New Order.

It starts off with the strange sort of country fiddle guitar before a dancey beat, funky bass, and wash of icy synths kick in and take the song off into the air. The song has a fat electronic bassline and lots of thick, fat synth stabs and synth melodies, as well as some really cool programmed percussive bits, and its three kinds of guitar styles, the fiddle-ish style that starts it, some some rock power chords,and some funky New order/Happy Mondays guitar lines.

Its a great song, great melody, very dancey and electronic, lots of great synths and guitar work, and it should rock live.

Its a good album! I really like it!

I thought I was the only one who felt like this, you are right about POISONOUS INTENT it is a GREAT song, I like the part when he says HIT THE ROAD JACK at the end of the song with the nice dance beat.

Is there a BL forum where FANS can discuss the project without the doom and gloom merchants?

linus sulanki wrote: you are right about POISONOUS INTENT it is a GREAT song, I like the part when he says HIT THE ROAD JACK at the end of the song with the nice dance beat.

'Hit the road Jack' indeed. Oh Barney...

Must admit I was pleasantly surprised by the first half, by Barney's vocals, tasty melodies and yes, Jake's Doves influence for sure. I like his voice and have to say that Barney's vocals are some of his best, really stretching out in places. Production's really nice too, Sink or Swim gets a new life and sounds nowhere near as naff as the acoustic version. Just if only I could place that riff...

Sadly for me it evaporates into blandness half way through, with Dynamo possibly the most woeful song that Barney has been involved with. All those sea and sky and 'hey now watcha gonna do' lyrics are dire beyond belief IMO.

Serious question, what's with Barney's unnerving joie de vivre ('life is a precious thing' etc)- I've never exactly pegged him as Mr Positive?

So it's 5 out of 10 for me so far. There's enough to warrant a further listen or two but not much to get excited about.

El Jarvo wrote:

GlasVegas wrote: So, can I ask the sane people, am I right in thinking that it's the big pile of shite that we all knew in our hearts it was gonna be? And let's be honest, did anyone expect anything else?

JG likes it.

I thought you liked to have your 'twee' hat on occasionally?

'Twee' and 'chronically bland AOR' aren't the same thing. That said, all I'm judging it on is that 'Sink Or Swim' video and the myspace stuff from a few weeks ago. All of which sounded awful.

The single has grown on me a bit. Haven't heard the LP. Will buy it out of (eternally misplaced) loyalty without having sneaked a preview, probably play it twice, and then never listen to it again. Like Graeme says, we all knew it was going to be tripe.

Now, when are we getting all those New Order 'official live bootlegs' we were promised some time ago, eh?

MMMmmmmm just listening to the third track,Jury could bve out on this one,Mmmmmmm melancholy?

Fact/fiction/fury?

many thanks to the wee man for the el disco

http://newordderinfoweb.piczo.com

It's twee, bland and utterly forgettable. Sad really, I was looking forward to this album.

linus sulanki wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote: Well, I broke down and downloaded it.

I love Never Cry Another Tear! Cannot wait to buy it when it comes out!

Its a very upbeat, poppy, catchy album, full of nice, uplifting melodies and solid songwriting. Bernard's voice sounds fantastic, he is very expressive, and I would say this record actually contains some of his best vocal work.

The whole record sounds very New Order-ish, I would say a sort of mix of bits of Technique and Republic, with a lot of WFTSC thrown in. Its got a lot of really great, tasteful guitar work, and the songs are general pretty catchy. There are synths on the record, they add a lot of nice subtle melodies and counter melodies to the guitars.

It's not a mind blowing groundbreaking record, but its a lovely record with great, melodic, melancholy yet uplifting songs. It has a very New Order-ish feel to it, but you can hear somes Doves and Smiths influences as well.

Sink or Swim is, of course, a cracking single..

But...for me....the next best song is..

POISONOUS INTENT.

It's a fantastic track and totally reminds me of Technique era New Order.

It starts off with the strange sort of country fiddle guitar before a dancey beat, funky bass, and wash of icy synths kick in and take the song off into the air. The song has a fat electronic bassline and lots of thick, fat synth stabs and synth melodies, as well as some really cool programmed percussive bits, and its three kinds of guitar styles, the fiddle-ish style that starts it, some some rock power chords,and some funky New order/Happy Mondays guitar lines.

Its a great song, great melody, very dancey and electronic, lots of great synths and guitar work, and it should rock live.

Its a good album! I really like it!

I thought I was the only one who felt like this, you are right about POISONOUS INTENT it is a GREAT song, I like the part when he says HIT THE ROAD JACK at the end of the song with the nice dance beat.

Yes I do love Poisonous Intent. Listened to it 5 times in a row. I was hoping there would be a big epic synthy dance track on this record, and PI is it. I wonder if Steve drummed on it? It's definately the most New Ordery song on the record and would make a great second single as its catchy and you could make a radio edit for it.

I also like when he sings "Hit the Road jack", very nice Ray Charles reference there.

I have bought the album but ll this downloading thief element i leave to my son!So as i have got it fom Amazon will probably be several days after release before i hear it.I don't really get excited about much music these days.Ain't purchased any remasters neither but that's only because i don't even listen to the originals much.Life got much better for me several years ago and i have moved on a bit.Probably Sink again but who cares?

NO Regret wrote: Is there a BL forum where FANS can discuss the project without the doom and gloom merchants?

Yup, in Nottingham...

GlasVegas wrote: So, can I ask the sane people, am I right in thinking that it's the big pile of shite that we all knew in our hearts it was gonna be? And let's be honest, did anyone expect anything else?

I don't know how that torrent shizz works so haven't heard it and to be honest, I've not given the new Cribs or Mew albums the rotation they deserve over the last week so, on that basis, I'm afraid I won't be investing.....I'm out.

Well I woudn't hold your breath...the new Cribs it crap anyways.

Ryan wrote:

leather_girl wrote: Some will like it, some will not...some might find it in between those two.

I'm just happy to hear Bernard's voice again really.

Me too. (But that's not the only reason I'm buying it.)

Listening to the songs right now. The second one, twist of fate, is really, really great. Going tho the next one. Came back soon!

Serious question, what's with Barney's unnerving joie de vivre ('life is a precious thing' etc)- I've never exactly pegged him as Mr Positive?

I kinda sensed that vibe on 'Krafty' back in 2005. But I don't mind it, cause at his age, I'd rather see him seemingly happy with life than grumpy.

I especially like:

Twist of Fate Summer days on holiday This is home Runaway Running out of luck Poisonous Intent

Overall, better than I expected.

You say "Better than I expect." This is what I think too. And my expectations were high...

Zachery Starkey wrote: Yes I do love Poisonous Intent. Listened to it 5 times in a row. I was hoping there would be a big epic synthy dance track on this record, and PI is it. I wonder if Steve drummed on it? It's definately the most New Ordery song on the record and would make a great second single as its catchy and you could make a radio edit for it.

Agree, the best song of the album so far....maybe i'll change my mind later, but it is a really great tune.

Chris Nash wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the drum intro on "Summer Days On Holiday" would be exactly the same beat as Old Leadfoot's drums on "Got To Be Someone" - the first track on Pottsy's "Coming Up For Air"?

Would be.

If they were a bit more ballsy.

I listened to NCAT last week and thought it was worth 3/10. However, I was in a grumpy mood and decided to give it another couple of listens this week.

I'm glad it features more guitars, and I don't think it's a bad album. However, it's not very good either. My view of it has improved. Still very bland though, so 4/10. Sounds like an album of fillers and 'B' sides. Most of them seem to be bits and pieces taken from New Order songs and almost directly taken from other bands.

Shame really as Bernard does have talent. :(

That's one thing I noticed about Summer Days on Holiday---that the drums sounded like 'Got to be someone'.

This is not the best stuff he's done quality wise, but it's a pleasant-to-listen, easy-on-the-ears guitar-pop album overall, IMO.

Soundwise, I like this kind of rock. More like pop influenced rock...not 'ballsy', but kinda sweet and poppy.

Chris Nash wrote: I know what you mean, but this album reminds me of a watered-down version of something that "James" would release. Inoffensive background music.

Maybe we've been spoiled with the New Order back catalogue.

"The Other Two And You", "Music For Pleasure", "Twisted Tenderness" are all better than this album - all different, but they all make you sit up and listen properly at least once or twice.

I won't be buying the album and I'll be giving away my promo.

I do hope that other people get more enjoyment out of it though!

Whatever we think of the album or the songs, we're all listening to the same piece of music. It's just different impressions I guess.

I said that I liked this kind of sound---but then, I can understand how other people might hear this sound and think 'it's got no balls' (or whatever they say), or that it's too bland or mushy pop-influenced stuff..

Surely, more than the fans, I think it's perhaps Bernard Sumner himself who's more aware that it's difficult to live up to the whole legacy (JD & NO).

No matter what he does, the media and people will say or think 'yeah but he did songs like Blue Monday and this and that and blah blah blah...'

by the way, Which bass by Alex James? Is this album totally self produced?

informan wrote: by the way, Which bass by Alex James? Is this album totally self produced?

I don't know either.

Does anyone have a clue about this?

Chris Nash wrote: Sorry, mine has a plain black and white sleeve, release date, promotions company sticker, but no sleeve notes. The press release doesn't say who plays what and on which track.

OK but thanks for replying anyway.

I like summerdays on holiday the most after the first listenings.

whats with the name change shuglet - think your kenny dalglish eh

Bernard's problem is that people, especially new fans who discovered New Order's back catalogue in the 00ies, expect something as groundbreaking as New Order were in the 80ies. A new EGG or Perfect Kiss. But he's 53, obviously a Neil Young fan, and all he wants to do are some perfect, well crafted pop songs for frustrated broken 40-somethings stuck in their offices. I think it's OK what's he's doing, I even pretty like some of the songs on the album, at least he's not milking his legendary past. But don't expect him to be something he is not anymore.

'Home' is also great. And the following songs also. A sunny, heavenly album!

Let's imagine I had downloaded the album... If I had done that, I'd say it sounds, bizarrely enough, a bit Get Ready-ish. I'd also say that "Twist of fate" and "Poisonous intent" are awesome songs, much, much better than "Rock the Jam", "Slow Shack" or "Working is a useless emotion", to name but three. I'd even make a passing remark about how it sounds miles better than that pile of cack Hooky and Potsy released in late 2000.

Monsieur Round & Round wrote: Let's imagine I had downloaded the album... If I had done that, I'd say it sounds, bizarrely enough, a bit Get Ready-ish. I'd also say that "Twist of fate" and "Poisonous intent" are awesome songs, much, much better than "Rock the Jam", "Slow Shack" or "Working is a useless emotion", to name but three. I'd even make a passing remark about how it sounds miles better than that pile of cack Hooky and Potsy released in late 2000.

Totally agree. I also like very much This is home. The only one that I jump is Dynamo. Even Shine like the sun, that Bernard don't sing, is great. Great album.

I always remember listening to John Peel R.I.P when 'Regret' was released and he played it on his show and commented on how NO were a band that never let you down and I share this sentiment upon listening to NCAT. Alright, it's not NO but any chance to hear Saint Bernard at work again is ok by me. Struggling to find a track I don't like and that's got to be a good thing - don't think I've heard as good a vocal from Bernard on 'Twist of Fate' for a long time!

joe davola wrote: Bernard's problem is that people, especially new fans who discovered New Order's back catalogue in the 00ies, expect something as groundbreaking as New Order were in the 80ies. A new EGG or Perfect Kiss. But he's 53, obviously a Neil Young fan, and all he wants to do are some perfect, well crafted pop songs for frustrated broken 40-somethings stuck in their offices. I think it's OK what's he's doing, I even pretty like some of the songs on the album, at least he's not milking his legendary past. But don't expect him to be something he is not anymore.

Remember how Barney said he had an antenna in his head & came up with his song ideas by tuning in to the thoughts of his fans or some such bullshit? Well, looks like it's true. It's our fault 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL OLD NOW! At least he's not singing about employee evaluations and dropping the kids off at school. He isn't, is he?

Maybe these songs are the reflection of a man who is happy with his lot, lives a pretty normal life and no longer indulges in the wild excesses of his previous years.

Nothing wrong with that. I for one am looking forward to purchasing the album next month. I wonder if those who are luke warm about their copies will actually bother to buy it upon its release.

Just a couple of thoughts.

Johnny Giles wrote:

Tarbox23 wrote:

all the NCAT hat0rz can go back to 1983 and listen to Age of Consent for the 100000000th time.

Dunno what all the fuss is about. It's not bad. Pretty much what I was anticipating. Exactly how much path-breaking innovation should we expect from a 53 year old bloke on his 14th album?. For none believers in Dovesy mid range alt-rock then this album might not be for you but there are some great tunes on here (stand outs...Runaway/Poisonous Intent).

Given BL consists of 3 guitarists surely noone was seriously expecting keys to feature highly in this?. Even though Barney could put keys on there, why join up with two more guitarists if you're not going to make a highly guitar based album??. Check out the Rambo and Leroy stuff on Myspace.....all guitar driven soundscapes, very Dovesy. Doves, Rambo, BL, Marion (even)....it's the NE Cheshire sound!.

Yep, I would prefer more electronica, but am not surprised by what I've heard as the band line up was a pretty big clue.

Nick, you've ordered the full-on £50+ box set?! At least that will remain minty mint :D

Hooky's book is being launched the same day as the BL album!. And to promote the book Hooky's doing a UK tour of book signings with over half of these in record stores. Nice of Hooky to give NO fans a reason to be in HMV or Fopp that week so they can pick up BLs album at the same time

Clear evidence that relationships within New Order are on the mend!

Who's gonna be the first to ask Hooky to sign a copy of NCAT?

Yes, I know the first week of NCATs release is download only but that doesn't make as a good a story!.

this is the most sensible review I've read, agree 100%. Someone buy this man a pint. CTB

good luck downloading wiggles albums al

As expected, among all the records of NO and their spinoffs, NCAT most resembles Twisted Tenderness. And it really isn’t a million miles away from a poppier, less ambitious Doves. The good news:

• “Sink or Swim” is far from the best track on the album;
• pretty much everything is better than the Barney/Phil penned “Hey Now What You Doing” (not the worst NO track of all time, but surely the blandest) The bad news: Sumner usually produces a classic or two even amongst the mediocre albums we’ve had since 1993. But there’s nothing here that really gives me goosebumps, not like “Regret”, “Primitive Notion” or the title tracks of Twisted Tenderness and WFTSC. “Twist of Fate” and “Running out of luck” came pretty close, though.

Sink or Swim 3/5 Underwhelmed with it as a single, but pretty fine. Twist of Fate 4/5 One of Sumner’s most expansive, well developed melodies. Could have done with a few extra bpm, but muscular – wish there’d been more like it. Summer Days on Holiday 3/5 Brooding. Fairly slight chorus that doesn’t really achieve lift off. This is Home 3/5 Verse/chorus vocal split works for me. Charming. Runaway 4/5 Yes, it’s a ballad. Yes, I like it. Appreciably better than “Run Wild”. Running out of luck 4/5 Cruising tempo, melancholy. Lovely tune, and if not great lyrics, then great Barney lyrics. Dynamo 1/5 Oh dear. Simply a lapse of taste – in terms of music, lyrics and production – of the magnitude of the nasty “Morning Night and Day”. Poisonous Intent 2/5 While this reminds me of “Dracula’s Castle” – synthetic production, fussy arrangement that keeps changing gears to no avail, and they neglected to write a proper song underneath it all. Shine Like the Sun 3/5 My favourite song among those Jake sings. Slight but pretty. Head into Tomorrow 2/5 Can’t get behind this one. Here, they’re really straining to be expansive a la Doves and the pomp of the arrangement just flattens a mediocre song. With third-form lyrics.

El Jarvo wrote:

hibster wrote: good luck downloading wiggles albums al

You what, Dave?

Things your kids pester you to 'get' for them. You'll succumb soon enough!

Lovely album, great singer with an even greater past and it's fucking great to hear his voice again.

And yes, not groundbreaking just a good tune in the background for an hour or so.

Nothing more nothing less

Old Blue wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

hibster wrote: good luck downloading wiggles albums al

You what, Dave?

Things your kids pester you to 'get' for them. You'll succumb soon enough!

he will look back fondly on the days before he knew what the wiggles were

I really am enjoying this album. The songs are really nice, just...just nice uplifting and catchy tunes, nice, tasteful mix of really good guitar work and electronics. The lyrics are really uplifting and optimistic. Say what you want about Barney's lyrics, but at least these lyrics are personal. He is obviously at a really happy point in his life, and it is reflected in the songs.

Favorite songs so far:

Sink or Swim - very New Ordery, great guitars, very, very catchy and dancey, great classic Barney lyrics ("He doesn't know what he's doing, sure as summer follows Spring. Will he bend, or will he crack, save this yearling from the pack."). Its a lovely tune.

Poisonous Intent - I elaborated on this in an earlier post. PI is a great dance track, full of icy walls of catchy keyboard melodies and synth stabs, dance beats, fat walking synth bass lines, combination of programmed and live drums, funky guitar work, and the last two minutes are pure New Order synth heaven. Great song, really hope they play it live. This is the song that Bernard obviously had the biggest hand in writing, it would fit right in on Technique, Republic, or the first electronic record.

The lyrics are actually somewhat interesting....the song is meant to represent a conversation between two people, with Bernard "playing" both characters as it were. I think this song relfects in parts, Bernard's feelings about Hooky leaving New Order.

Some Sumner lyrical gems from PI:

"You keep saying something, but you're doing nothing I'm here thinking that you're full of shit or something"

"You've got a first class seat with a third rate view"

The last two minutes are great, just washes and washes of lovely synth melodies.

Twist of Fate - Great tune, nice mix of guitar and eletronics, great melody.

Summer Days on Holiday - Really fun and catchy song, nice mix of Smiths-y guitars and technique era keyboard melodies. Lyrics seem to refer to Bernard constantly getting trashed in the summer of 1993! Good song!

Runaway - Just a really pretty song. :)

Dynamo - Yep...I actually like this song quite bit1 Great mix of synth lines and textures with nice guitars, it does indeed sound like New Order doing a Who songs.

Shine like the Sun - Its an okay song, Jake has a nice voice, its a catchy Doves sort of song. What makes it interesting is Bernards melodica playing on it.

I really enjoy the record. I like it more than Twisted Tenderness. I like Sink or Swim and Poisonous Intent more than Krafty and Waiting For the Siren's Call (well, WFTSC has better lyrics, but musically, I prefer PI).

El Jarvo wrote:

hibster wrote:

Old Blue wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

hibster wrote: good luck downloading wiggles albums al

You what, Dave?

Things your kids pester you to 'get' for them. You'll succumb soon enough!

he will look back fondly on the days before he knew what the wiggles were

Oh right, the band. I thought you were just being obtuse. You usually are!

I'll have you know, I've actually got Kylie & the Wiggles doing "Monkey Man", on me iPhone!

Jack's favourite song :)

I'm going to be a dad again in 5 weeks time ... I must be mad.

Why is everyone not liking Dynamo?... sounds to me like a song with a bit of edge to it, and lets face it, there aren't many of those on the album. Ok it is a bit derivative, but hell...

leather_girl wrote:

Chris Nash wrote: Has anyone else noticed that the drum intro on "Summer Days On Holiday" would be exactly the same beat as Old Leadfoot's drums on "Got To Be Someone" - the first track on Pottsy's "Coming Up For Air"?

That's one thing I noticed about Summer Days on Holiday---that the drums sounded like 'Got to be someone'.

I think Magazine got there first with "The Light Pours Out of Me".

It's nice with a cup of tea and a biccie.

Honestly though, we didn't really expect a return to 3-5-0-1-2-5-GO!!!

Did we?

Ok after listening to the cd quit a few times now here’s how I rate it so far:

1. Sink or swim 5/5
2. This is home 5/5
3. Twist of fate 5/5
4. Summer days on holiday 4/5
5. Poisonous intent 4/5
6. Running out of time 3/5
7. Shine like the sun 3/5 (This song could have been better if Barney sang it)
8. Dynamo 2/5
9. Runaway 2/5
10. Head into tomorrow 1/5

This is home is the song I wish New Order made. Just picture Hooky singing Jakes part!!! Runaway just doesn’t work for me, Overall good CD!

Turn Jim wrote: Ok after listening to the cd quit a few times now here’s how I rate it so far:

1. Sink or swim 5/5
2. This is home 5/5
3. Twist of fate 5/5
4. Summer days on holiday 4/5
5. Poisonous intent 4/5
6. Running out of time 3/5
7. Shine like the sun 3/5 (This song could have been better if Barney sang it)
8. Dynamo 2/5
9. Runaway 2/5
10. Head into tomorrow 1/5

This is home is the song I wish New Order made. Just picture Hooky singing Jakes part!!! Runaway just doesn’t work for me, Overall good CD!

Pretty much agree. To me This is home is the best song. Followed by Twist of fate and Shine like the sun. I would love to hear Shine like... singed by Bernard, but I must admit that I like it with Jake in the vocals. And I jump Dynamo an Head into tomorrow. It's a great CD!!!!!!!

Burt Reynolds wrote: Why is everyone not liking Dynamo?... sounds to me like a song with a bit of edge to it, and lets face it, there aren't many of those on the album. Ok it is a bit derivative, but hell...

I am a Dynamo fan too.

Yes, we are scorned.

agree too. listened to it today in the morning from start to finish for the 3rd or 4th time and have to admit that the first 5 songs are fantastic, especially "this is home", barney's refrain and the string finale are killer. things go downhill a bit from track 6 on but that's nothing unusual for New Order albums since the 90ies. all in all: another great Bernard Sumner album. What a pity Hooky quit and the album cover is such a piss-take. These songs could have made one worthy last great New Order album.

Anyone else caught themselves singing Forbidden City along to Running Out of Luck?

"The closing date for the competition is Friday 18th September 2009"

So, that'll be tomorrow then?

The promos & images on the 'net are all fake!

Get you submissions in pronto!

Don't forget to include lots & lots of British Colour!!

I think the whole of it is pretty dull. Maybe it will grow on me, or I'll start to like it once I get older. It is harmless though, and enjoyable enough. I guess I was expecting something more up to the standards of Electronic and this is not.

I think Bad Lieutenant is way much better than Electronic...

I can't get enough of 'This is home'. Pure British Quality. Thanks, boys.

Level wrote: I think Bad Lieutenant is way much better than Electronic...

I'm surprised at how people are responding to the album, but I really don't feel it's Barney's best. It's not bad, just a bit mediocre. I wasn't really expecting MOR from the man who always seemed to make work that had such life to it. Given, WFTSC wasn't the best album, but it had some great melodies. Never Cry Another Tear lacks that hookyness (no pun intended).

Sink Or Swim is decent, but Crystal or Krafty it's not. Don't get me wrong, I like the album, but it doesn't excite me much. Some of the pastiches of Barney's older work don't come across right, the production is soft, and I question some of the arrangement choices.

I suppose liking New Order means accepting certain things, but surely the lyrics on Get Ready trump the lyrics on Never Cry Another Tear? I'm still waiting to hear the other tracks, and the album is starting to sink in some (no pun intended again). However, I just don't think it's the best he could have done.

Am I the only person who think's that this album is good, I know it is not a classic but it still very good with great guitar playing, synths and great melodies. I hope when this album comes out the general public will get to listen to it and they will love it, so far it is getting not that great reviews but they don't know what they are talking about anyway, so what if it sounds like New Order or the same old sound, hey as long as it sound good that is what matters, look at U2, Depeche Mode, PSB and many more with their new albums they are still keeping their sound so why is BL being critized for sounding like New Order or Electronic,in my opinion I give this album 4/5 stars, if it was bad I would say it but it isn't.

linus sulanki wrote: Am I the only person who think's that this album is good

No. I could wish that people give it a chance at least.

There's two pitfalls at opposite ends of the spectrum - one is forcing yourself to think it's better than it is, because you so much want it to be. The other is comparing it to "The Perfect Kiss" and finding that it comes up a bit short and hey, Barney's pretty feckin old these days. I assume no one coming on this site can possibly approach new music from these guys with a blank slate.

Including me of course. But as honest as I can be, I wouldn't give tracks 7, 8 or 10 another thought if they were the songs of an unknown band on the radio. I would, on the other hand, like the other seven. And most of them would really make me sit up and listen.

I can see the "AOR" criticism. That don't bother me at all because, well, I'm getting old myself and Land's End by Jimmy Webb is sounding ever better to my ears . What I don't get is "lazy": if anything, the opposite criticism, that it's been crafted to within an inch of its life, would be more accurate. But then such has been the case since, say, Technique onwards.

Two fairly objective points:

• this album is about as purely melodic as Sumner has ever been, or is ever going to get;
• the guitars on tracks 2-4 have more bite and growl to them then anything on WFTSC (if we draw a veil over "Working Overtime")

And one entirely subjective one:

• suppose "Twist of Fate" was a New Order song. Would it not be in the top 5 New Order songs from 93 onwards?

It's not a bad album but it's not good either. It has absolutely no character and it just leaves no impression on me at all, it's simply inoffensive and that's not enough.

To say that Barney is in his 50's therefore don't expect him to be cutting edge in rubbish. There are many artists who still produce interesting work later in life but it seems Barney is more interested in producing polished, well-crafted pieces rather than emotional, heartfelt stirring songs.

This is not new though is it? He's been on this path since the mid 90's when he learnt to sing 'properly' i.e. in tune but with no emotion, wrote 'better' lyrics i.e. purile junk that rhymes and 'good' songs i.e. they have verses and choruses and the title is mentioned in the song. None of this is what made him and NO great but he seems to not understand this and continues on his path to irrelevant blandness.

jamie fairlie wrote: To say that Barney is in his 50's therefore don't expect him to be cutting edge in rubbish.

Maybe. But as you also wrote:

jamie fairlie wrote:

He's been on this path since the mid 90's

...therefore, I don't expect him to be cutting edge.

jamie fairlie wrote: There are many artists who still produce interesting work later in life

Sure. But "interesting" is in the ear of the listener. You're also eliding a bit from "cutting edge". There's plenty of interest to be had in the later works of, say, Eno, Bowie, Neil Young or John Cale, but "cutting edge" they are not.

jamie fairlie wrote:

Barney is more interested in producing polished, well-crafted pieces rather than emotional, heartfelt stirring songs.

I don't see the contradiction. But I do agree with the general thrust of what you say. First New Order were unschooled and highly original. Then they got educated and became less original. And no one can invent the wheel twice anyway.

linus sulanki wrote: Am I the only person who think's that this album is good

No, you are not.

I knew there would be a race to see who could be the first one to steal it off the internet, snidely declare it to be crap and say they don't buy music anymore cause that's just how they roll...so I didn't pay any attention to the first few reviews. Who gives a shit?

All I've heard so far is Sink or Swim and Dynamo. Dynamo is a great song! I have no idea how someone can be a NO fan and think Dynamo is some kind of disaster, it's just mind-boggling.

Reading all the reviews, it sounds like it will be a solid, enjoyable album with more of an earthy and organic rock sound, which I'm fine with. I'm not expecting a radical new direction in music, just solid Bernard Sumner songwriting.

Bernard just doesn't do arty pretentiousness, it's just not his style.

I'm still going to buy the album, and maybe on CD & Vinyl(depends on if they do NA tour dates and where they do them..). The songs are not bad, just mediocre. However, Bernard's singing is some of the finest of his career and that is a high point of this record. Maybe it's hindsight, but on WFTSC he sounded tired (although it is better than NCAT overall). It's still exciting when any new material comes out of the NO camp, and I'm happy Bernard is still making records.

FtotheDoubleOff wrote:

Dynamo is a great song! I have no idea how someone can be a NO fan and think Dynamo is some kind of disaster, it's just mind-boggling.

That's musical taste for you. For you, Dynamo is 'great', and good luck to you. Each time I hear it however, a little piece of me dies inside.

Well maybe in another ten years we'll get good remasters of NO's entire catalog and we can forget anything from outside of NO that we don't like (whatever it is..). I'm still waiting for Electronic's entire catalog remastered + unreleased/live recordings and a Bernard Sumner solo album (really, truly solo). Until that time, BL will do, even if it is a bit mediocre- it's a little bit of everything I want. We just have to take it for what it is and find something we really enjoy about it.

FtotheDoubleOff wrote: I knew there would be a race to see who could be the first one to steal it off the internet, snidely declare it to be crap and say they don't buy music anymore cause that's just how they roll...so I didn't pay any attention to the first few reviews. Who gives a shit?

All I've heard so far is Sink or Swim and Dynamo. Dynamo is a great song! I have no idea how someone can be a NO fan and think Dynamo is some kind of disaster, it's just mind-boggling.

Reading all the reviews, it sounds like it will be a solid, enjoyable album with more of an earthy and organic rock sound, which I'm fine with. I'm not expecting a radical new direction in music, just solid Bernard Sumner songwriting.

Bernard just doesn't do arty pretentiousness, it's just not his style.

++

and as someone else said, his vocal work is at a high point here, more mature than ever before. vocal melodies i have never heard him even consider before.

i guess, as a cocteau twins and new order fan, lyrical content has never been a huge consideration for me. i listen to the melodies. even joy division, i focused more on ian's melodies than his words (which were brilliant).

i could really care less WHAT sumner is singing about (there has been a lot of lyric crit in this thread) - i listen to new order classics, and many have daft lyrics, and i could never give a shit. i am into this music for the emotions and melodies.... 1963? I love it, not cause he is singing about a man with a gun, but cause the SONG is just phenomenal.

these songs are NOT run of the mill. this is Sumner pushing his voice into new heights, and i dig it.

but i know there are many people here who wish new order's van had got totalled in 1990. they get upset to see them get wrinkles and put on some weight (so many negative comments on this forum about them putting on 10-20 pounds, how DARE they, at 50+ years old!) some folks here would have rather never heard them age and mature and find new directions.

whatever.

p.s. so is Poisonous Intent about Hook? even has a bass line right before the 3m mark that seems quite Hooky....

or am i just speculating too far?

regardless, the song kicks serious ass.

Level wrote: I think Bad Lieutenant is way much better than Electronic...

Me too!

So non fans who know nothing about New Order will find Never Cry Another Tear to be one of the best rock albums released in 2009? This record will inspire many? Some of these songs will be considered classic standards 20-30 years from now? including Dynamo? You are going to blast this out your car stereo loud, with the windows open? You guys are saying this record is great...

great.

...?

I enjoyed it...

Wasn't blown away by anything on it though but I thought it was pretty solid all the way through.

I'm still going to get the limited version with the four extra tracks and give it a few more listens it will probably grow on me.

linus sulanki wrote: look at U2, Depeche Mode, PSB and many more with their new albums they are still keeping their sound so why is BL being critized for sounding like New Order or Electronic,in my opinion I give this album 4/5 stars, if it was bad I would say it but it isn't.

why?

becuase bl is not electronic or new order, it is a new band, with new members.

simples.

0_o wrote: So non fans who know nothing about New Order will find Never Cry Another Tear to be one of the best rock albums released in 2009? This record will inspire many? Some of these songs will be considered classic standards 20-30 years from now? including Dynamo? You are going to blast this out your car stereo loud, with the windows open? You guys are saying this record is great...

great.

...?

there are a lot of great records that don't become a classic. also, 27 years ago nobody thought that "temptation" will be a future classic, for most people it was a record by a band that will never outgrow the shadow of their previous band.

0_o wrote: You are going to blast this out your car stereo loud, with the windows open?

Yes, why not. Apart from one or two tracks I'll be skipping when driving, the rest needs to be played loud to be appreciated and who cares if the outside world doesn't share your enthusiasm? Well I certainly don't.

I wouldn't call it a GREAT album, but it is a very solid one with some GREAT tracks. And like someone else said before, Sumner's voice is at an alltime best (even if his lyrics are going the opposite direction) :)

In my case, there are some musical 'masterpieces' that I can't stand to listen to (that's for another topic and board, right?).

But, I do think it's a solid album (judging from the tracks I've heard), and I don't really care much what the press says.

If I like it overall, I'll listen to it. Simple as that.

PS- I do think Bernard's voice sounds great on this album.

leather_girl wrote: In my case, there are some musical 'masterpieces' that I can't stand to listen to (that's for another topic and board, right?).

But, I do think it's a solid album (judging from the tracks I've heard), and I don't really care much what the press says.

If I like it overall, I'll listen to it. Simple as that.

PS- I do think Bernard's voice sounds great on this album.

I agree with you 100%, it has great guitars, great synth and great melodies.I hope that this album get's heard worldwide and people will love it.

linus sulanki wrote:

leather_girl wrote: In my case, there are some musical 'masterpieces' that I can't stand to listen to (that's for another topic and board, right?).

But, I do think it's a solid album (judging from the tracks I've heard), and I don't really care much what the press says.

If I like it overall, I'll listen to it. Simple as that.

PS- I do think Bernard's voice sounds great on this album.

I agree with you 100%, it has great guitars, great synth and great melodies.I hope that this album get's heard worldwide and people will love it.

I don't expect the whole world to love it, but I personally think it's worthwhile album to buy. (For me, that is.)

El Jarvo wrote:

FtotheDoubleOff wrote: I knew there would be a race to see who could be the first one to steal it off the internet, snidely declare it to be crap and say they don't buy music anymore cause that's just how they roll...so I didn't pay any attention to the first few reviews. Who gives a shit?

How does that work then?

How can you 'steal' summat you can't actually pay for?

intellectual property rights?

I'll tell you what, I'm about two minutes into track 2 and I fucking love it.

About three minutes in it aches for a Hooky bass solo.

It's a brilliant song though. Barney is singing like an angel and the words are brilliant. Cracking guitars, pistol-crack drumbeat throughout.

Quality

Summer Days on Holiday Kicks ASSSSSS !!!!!!!!!

Sounds good to me, nothing groundbreaking, good pop tunes, not 100% convinced by the Jake tracks though.

Has it been mentioned that the vinyl features 14 tracks, I'm not 100% sure but I think the 7" with the box-set features an acoustic version of "Sink Or Swim" and "Harder Wider Deeper".

First listen all the way through and I am amazed to find that I really like the album as a whole and there's more than a couple of tracks that I think are amazing.

The vocals are so good throughout. I must admit I'm looking at them like you look at a 60 year-old film star with perfect skin and perky tits and muttering that she's obviously had quite a bit of work done. However, the vocal melodies are gorgeous throughout so who cares?

Strangely, there's a really good track called Dynamo that sounds just like Sink or Swim without quite so much 12-string with very similar lyrics that are actually quite good. Yeah yeah yeah. Reminds me of the pub singer: now lets hear that done properly.

It's got everything, this album. Lovely drums, some quite stunning guitar work, enough catchy riffs to ensure that no one intrudes and a subtle dance feel thought.

He's pulled it off

Tony Casanova wrote:

jamie fairlie wrote: To say that Barney is in his 50's therefore don't expect him to be cutting edge in rubbish.

Maybe. But as you also wrote:

jamie fairlie wrote:

He's been on this path since the mid 90's

...therefore, I don't expect him to be cutting edge.

jamie fairlie wrote: There are many artists who still produce interesting work later in life

Sure. But "interesting" is in the ear of the listener. You're also eliding a bit from "cutting edge". There's plenty of interest to be had in the later works of, say, Eno, Bowie, Neil Young or John Cale, but "cutting edge" they are not.

jamie fairlie wrote:

Barney is more interested in producing polished, well-crafted pieces rather than emotional, heartfelt stirring songs.

I don't see the contradiction. But I do agree with the general thrust of what you say. First New Order were unschooled and highly original. Then they got educated and became less original. And no one can invent the wheel twice anyway.

Tony casanova indeed!

I really wonder who THIS could be?

Dontchya realise we can track any i.p adress to the nearest 2 meters in this day and age,scary shit innit!

http://neworderinfoweb.piczo.com

(new website coming VERY soon!)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R3HIJGG1R5G471/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

Toolbox wrote: First listen all the way through and I am amazed to find that I really like the album as a whole and there's more than a couple of tracks that I think are amazing.

The vocals are so good throughout. I must admit I'm looking at them like you look at a 60 year-old film star with perfect skin and perky tits and muttering that she's obviously had quite a bit of work done. However, the vocal melodies are gorgeous throughout so who cares?

Strangely, there's a really good track called Dynamo that sounds just like Sink or Swim without quite so much 12-string with very similar lyrics that are actually quite good. Yeah yeah yeah. Reminds me of the pub singer: now lets hear that done properly.

It's got everything, this album. Lovely drums, some quite stunning guitar work, enough catchy riffs to ensure that no one intrudes and a subtle dance feel thought.

He's pulled it off

I agree one hundred percent!

I'll definitely be saving my pennies for the Stuart Price album instead.

BL reminds me of the cheesy act of Hollywood actors disowning their previous (more violent) body of work, doing a dreadful family comedy, and saying they want to make something they can take their kids to.

Don't want to slag BL off, cos it's Sumner and he's a god in my book, but this just isn't my cup of tea.

hibster wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

How does that work then?

How can you 'steal' summat you can't actually pay for?

intellectual property rights?

HMV have already taken the money for my pre-order, so I have in fact already paid for it.

Can someone help me with the last sentence of Poisening intent? Wat does he say?

Sounds like

"Kill women, Kill women, hate HATE"

to me.

Toolbox wrote: Sounds like

"Kill women, Kill women, hate HATE"

to me.

Nonononono...

runwild wrote: Can someone help me with the last sentence of Poisening intent? Wat does he say?

Help me find my way, I cannot buy another day (yeah yeah, yeahah, yeah yeah) I'm not searchin' for a soul, reflective like the falls ago

Toolbox wrote: Sounds like

"Kill women, Kill women, hate HATE"

to me.

that is in Summer days on Holiday

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002PO4CGW/ref=sr_1_album_5_rd?ie=UTF8&child=B002PO9ZOG&qid=1253375979&sr=1-5

These Changes

Walk On Silver Water

informan wrote: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002PO4CGW/ref=sr_1_album_5_rd?ie=UTF8&child=B002PO9ZOG&qid=1253375979&sr=1-5

These Changes

Walk On Silver Water

thanks, the clips sound good can't wait to hear the full versions.

Walk On Silver Water sounds great, I wonder why it wasn't on the promo.. This is sure to get me some flogging, but am I the only one who thinks adding Jake Evans to the band was both a bad idea and added nothing worthwhile to the project? I don't know who it is playing those classic rock riffs but they sound out of place. Also, Bernard only let Hooky have two* lead vocals in NO's entire career (and I think Hooky sounds good), and now he's decided to let some nobody with your bland, run of the mill voice sing three full tracks and parts of others?

*I may be wrong, but I think it's just two lead vocals..

Surf Western wrote: Walk On Silver Water sounds great, I wonder why it wasn't on the promo.. This is sure to get me some flogging, but am I the only one who thinks adding Jake Evans to the band was both a bad idea and added nothing worthwhile to the project? I don't know who it is playing those classic rock riffs but they sound out of place. Also, Bernard only let Hooky have two* lead vocals in NO's entire career (and I think Hooky sounds good), and now he's decided to let some nobody with your bland, run of the mill voice sing three full tracks and parts of others?

*I may be wrong, but I think it's just two lead vocals..

To be honest I think he did a great job on all the songs, his band Rambo and Leroy is great also, just check out these songs, very good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzJarslL7eo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsQdqEqHBLI

Thanks for the links, but heard it before and not really a fan. The worst is Head Into Tomorrow sounds like a mix of the Doves and SOTOG era Oasis, but I suppose it's really not that bad. He's just bland to me, and I don't see why Bernard let him sing. Pete Hook and Johnny Marr never really got to sing.

Surf Western wrote: Thanks for the links, but heard it before and not really a fan. The worst is Head Into Tomorrow sounds like a mix of the Doves and SOTOG era Oasis, but I suppose it's really not that bad. He's just bland to me, and I don't see why Bernard let him sing. Pete Hook and Johnny Marr never really got to sing.

Jake sounds pretty good on the song Last One Standing, by Rambo and Leroy, though.

Surf Western wrote: He's just bland to me, and I don't see why Bernard let him sing.

You talk nonsense. Jake's voice, in particular in the duets with Bernard, is superb.

I don't care for the songs where Jake does lead vocals so much...

But his backing vocals to Bernards leads are great and he does some pretty taty guitar work on the record.

Walk on Silver Water sounds really good, reminds me of Get the Message/

Don't really want to download it cos I don't really know what I'm doin, and am gonna buy it anyway. Is there anywhere I can listen to a couple of the tracks. Quite like the sound of Poisonous Intent and Running Out of Luck

stuart newman wrote:

Has it been mentioned that the vinyl features 14 tracks, I'm not 100% sure but I think the 7" with the box-set features an acoustic version of "Sink Or Swim" and "Harder Wider Deeper".

Anybody able to confirm? I noticed the myspace details for the box set have changed from 'exclusive 7" featuring two tracks only available in this package' to simply 'exclusive 7"'. Is that because HWD is also on the Japan cd?

Will the Mark Reeder mix be available on some format?

? wrote: Don't really want to download it cos I don't really know what I'm doin, and am gonna buy it anyway. Is there anywhere I can listen to a couple of the tracks. Quite like the sound of Poisonous Intent and Running Out of Luck

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Never-Cry-Another-Tear/dp/B002PO4CGW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1253452110&sr=8-4

linus sulanki wrote:

? wrote: Don't really want to download it cos I don't really know what I'm doin, and am gonna buy it anyway. Is there anywhere I can listen to a couple of the tracks. Quite like the sound of Poisonous Intent and Running Out of Luck

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Never-Cry-Another-Tear/dp/B002PO4CGW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1253452110&sr=8-4

Cheers pal, but that's where I heard the excerpts from, and wanted to hear a couple of them in full. Suppose I'll have to be patient, like in the old days.

? wrote:

linus sulanki wrote:

? wrote: Don't really want to download it cos I don't really know what I'm doin, and am gonna buy it anyway. Is there anywhere I can listen to a couple of the tracks. Quite like the sound of Poisonous Intent and Running Out of Luck

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Never-Cry-Another-Tear/dp/B002PO4CGW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1253452110&sr=8-4

Cheers pal, but that's where I heard the excerpts from, and wanted to hear a couple of them in full. Suppose I'll have to be patient, like in the old days.

It is good that you waited because you will love the cd, I heard it already and love it.

I think Bernard was just being lazy. I'm not saying he is always lazy, but I think he wanted to depend on someone else for songwriting/singing/playing for a change. I would have preferred more of a Bernard solo album featuring lots and lots of Steven Morris.

Most of the vocals on the album are handled by Barney, you know. I don't really think it's out of laziness...maybe he truly thought he had a good voice. Bernard has shared vocals in collaborations and side projects before, too.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=480755951&blogID=511224835

I have only heard 'Sink or Swim' and will wait for my CD i've BOUGHT before I give my views on this album!

I seem to be in the minority these days with my views on illegal downloading...

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Walk on Silver Water sounds really good, reminds me of Get the Message/

I hear a George Micheal song.

Major Tarantino wrote: I have only heard 'Sink or Swim' and will wait for my CD i've BOUGHT before I give my views on this album!

I seem to be in the minority these days with my views on illegal downloading...

I downloaded it because I couldn't wait to listen to it, but when it comes out I will DEFINITELY buy at least 3 copies and the deluxe box set, I have to support me favorite band.

linus sulanki wrote: [I downloaded it because I couldn't wait to listen to it, but when it comes out I will DEFINITELY buy at least 3 copies and the deluxe box set, I have to support me favorite band.

BL are your favourite band? That's amazing, they obviously made a huge impact on you in such a short time :-)

Of course Steve would love it!

I on the other hand think its okay. not great or terrible, just okay. Sorta like a sexual experience with me. Perfectly adequate. One wouldn't mind giving it a go again...at a later date...one wouldn't feel the urge to say no to this.

It'll be fun. plus, we could cuddle afterward's.

Major Tarantino wrote: I have only heard 'Sink or Swim' and will wait for my CD i've BOUGHT before I give my views on this album!

I seem to be in the minority these days with my views on illegal downloading...

alright grandpa