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I thought they'd already released Substance 1987?

... 60MPH?

Originally posted by Huntsman I thought they'd already released Substance 1987?

Well, at least Substance 2002 is an improvement on the last Best Of.

No Regret!

Originally posted by Patrick > Originally posted by Huntsman> I thought they'd already released Substance 1987?> >

Well, at least Substance 2002 is an improvement on the last Best Of.

Patty Cake, the Spice Girls last album was an improvement on the Orders' last 'Best Of'. I'm sure you'll agree. :)

..... and nothing from Technique or Republic?? How odd!

Originally posted by Muffy > Originally posted by Patrick> > > > Originally posted by Huntsman> > I thought they'd already released Substance 1987?> > > > >

Well, at least Substance 2002 is an improvement on the last Best Of.

Patty Cake, the Spice Girls last album was an improvement on the Orders' last 'Best Of'. I'm sure you'll agree. :)

Good to hear from you, Muffy!

I confess with embarrassment that I have not actually heard the Spice Girls last album, but nevertheless I suspect you are correct.

I was about to write 'at least they didn't put another version of Let's Goat' until I re-read the track listing.

It's very distressing all this. I'm going to have to go and have a walk to get a coffee. Oh no, it's alright, I've already got one.

(No Regret! ... it's a shambles)

Anyone gonna buy it?

I think I'll wait and check out the artwork first, before deciding.

Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©
Anyone gonna buy it? I think I'll wait and check out the artwork first, before deciding.

Of course, we'll all buy it.

I'm not so sure.

I have no intention of buying this. For example, I've got about 9 hundred Ceremony's - 7", 12", Substance, Live etc. - what's in it for the kids man?

Yet another wasted opportunity.

Where is the new version of TPK? ... what about the studio out-take songs nobody's ever heard? ... where is the mix of True Faith they never released? ... how come the BLT edit is not included that Hooky did at the time of original release? ... did they forget to include an amazing version of Vanishing Ping Pong?

This album is what Substance should have been i.e. including the original mixes. Thing is, they're about 15 years late. And putting songs from GR (that we've just bought twice) is rhubarb.

This is all monkey food.

This new Best Of should be called 'As safe as houses'.

It's prittle prattle tommy rot - that's what it is.

Where the fuck is Dream Attack?

At least they had the sense to put Lonesome Tonight on the Promo, but I was really hoping that this would be an Best Of that showcased more of the edgy rock side of New Order.

How many times do we need to be told that True Faith, Bizarre Love Triangle, Blue Monday etc are "The Best Of New Order" They're great songs, yes, but this album just seems really cliche New Order.

Hand on heart, did we really expect anything other than a safe radio-friendly (non)unit shifter these days ? They've lost the devil-may-care edge now, it disappeared when they sold their souls to the devil that is London Records.

I must confess nobody said it would be easy.

But, if there was ever a band stocked full of more unleashed demos and outtakes which probably (to us) are as worthy as polished releases then I've never heard of them. The great shame is thus, that they haven't the bothered for one reason or the other, to delve the archives and release what we really would like to hear ... the collection of non NO hits nobody has ever heard. I cannot accept they won't have numerous complete songs shelved near Hooky's book on home cooking.

Why not release a greatest hits as above but substituting the B-sides with unheard songs and demos. As I previously mentioned ... a big tin box with gang loads of stuff in sounds just swell.

As a NO fan I am disappointed to the point of oblivion ... and I can confirm ... it ain't pretty.

remove shellshock & 60mph replace with temptation & regret.

was expecting a double cd to be honest, suppose the box set if it appears will have the unreleased stuff, & this must be aimed at people wh ofound them through GR.

dissapointing though.

If it really is the original 12" release of TPK then that will serve as a bait to some as it has never been released on cd before. Personally I won't buy it and neither will the public at large. There should have been some unreleased gems thrown in for us to salivate over, but alas no. Another wasted opportunity.

What does "master only" mean?

Who's gonna get the promo CD and 12"?

Why are they called promo CD and 12" since they don't contain any material from the best of? Or... are they intended to promote the future Recycle boxset?

I'm puzzled.

In general agreement here: this really is a lazy pile of arse. I thought the idea was to produce a "proper" collection to replace the ultra-conservative compilation knocked out by London when it looked like the Order had called it a day. Like Hibster says, the only way to do this properly would be to put out a double CD with Temptation, DNE, AOC, KW1, Lurve Vigilantes etc. Its not the re-hashing of old material that bothers me - after all it'd be nice to think that some poor deluded nu-metal teen might be converted by a "Best of...." - as much as the sheer lack of imagination involved. I'd rather stick with the "original" Best of...., to be honest. At least I won't feel obliged to buy it, so I'm glad that any unreleased stuff is being held back for "Recycle". Fuck, I hope they make a better job of that.

As some people above have suggested, just who do they think is going to buy this pointless crock of shite????

The fact that it's shite is beyond debate but it should be remembered that this package is planned for a particular territory ONLY & has NOTHING to do with the forthcoming(?) "Recycle" product. Wait and see what Christmas brings folks - it's not ALL bad news, I promise.

I have to say, I think 1995's Best Of was actually a good compilation, can't understand why anyone didn't like that.

Originally posted by Rob I have to say, I think 1995's Best Of was actually a good compilation, can't understand why anyone didn't like that.

maybe cuz it didn't feature a lot of the older stuff. what's the oldest song on that compilation? blue monday? i'm talking about the one with the purple swiggly thing.

hey, can anyone answer me this...the swiggly thing on the cover, is it supposed to be a question mark?

Originally posted by snucker > Originally posted by Rob> I have to say, I think 1995's Best Of was actually a good compilation, can't understand why anyone didn't like that.

maybe cuz it didn't feature a lot of the older stuff. what's the oldest song on that compilation? blue monday? i'm talking about the one with the purple swiggly thing.

hey, can anyone answer me this...the swiggly thing on the cover, is it supposed to be a question mark?

I think it's supposed to be "NO"

can't really see the n or the o in the swiggle.

I'll but it if released by FACTORY but otherwise not even NEW artwork will make much difference to this sad project.Why don't they release some new CRISPS.

Like many other posters I find the tracklisting of the new Best Of underwhelming. I cannot work out a new Best Of is being released at all given that the band have only released one wholly new album and one wholly new single since the last Best Of. I cannot work out why the three new tracks have been included at the expense of great tracks released between 1989 and 1993 and why the new Best Of has fewer tracks than the last Best Of (which itself was bizarrely limited to 70 minutes - if you're going to release a compilation CD and you've got a lot of tracks to choose from you might as well make a 78min CD) because surely if you want more people to buy the new Best Of New Order you have to offer them more than you offered them the last time, especially if the old one is still going to be in the racks of record shops. I cannot work out why the new Best Of has been made for the French market - was the last Best Of not released in France, was it banned by the French government which confiscated all import copies at its borders, ports and airports or has there been a sudden surge of interest in New Order in France? It makes absolutely no sense at all to me.

If Warner Records is releasing this new Best Of in the hope that people who haven't previously bought anything by New Order will buy it, will like what they hear and will then buy more New Order releases their money would have been better spent producing a comprehensive double CD Best Of (including singles and album tracks) or re-releasing the last Best Of album at mid-price. I suspect that the reason why they haven't done these things is because the new Best Of album is just another way of getting more money out of New Order's fans. If that is what the new Best Of is for few New Order fans are going to buy it.

Originally posted by Patrick > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©
Anyone gonna buy it? I think I'll wait and check out the artwork first, before deciding.

Of course, we'll all buy it.

I won't its another 'rip-off'

Originally posted by snucker > Originally posted by Rob> I have to say, I think 1995's Best Of was actually a good compilation, can't understand why anyone didn't like that.

maybe cuz it didn't feature a lot of the older stuff. what's the oldest song on that compilation? blue monday? i'm talking about the one with the purple swiggly thing.

hey, can anyone answer me this...the swiggly thing on the cover, is it supposed to be a question mark?

and also because most songs on the album were shortened and therefore butchered e.g. BLT, PK, BM, 1963 and Shellshock.

well..at least we have one "unreleased" Track on CD this time. Or has the original 12" mix of Confusion ever been released on CD ???

Originally posted by snucker can't really see the n or the o in the swiggle.

The "O" is attached to the bottom of the right leg of the "N" (actually lower case "n")

I would be surprised to learn this was the case. I suggest it is more likely a sans serif question mark distorted with FX. The other rest of an inverted version.

If it was an 'no' it would be more obvious - Saville is usually less subtle once the original premise is understood.

I thought the Best Of and Rest Of designs were the same except for the color, H, weren't they?

I agree the question mark aspect is there, but in my view the "no" is also.

I agree with those saying that this is for those who just found them last year. Hopefully they will give their old time fans their due and put out an awesome box set with all kinds of rarities, live cuts, singles etc... kind of like the other non-album stuff on Heart And Soul for JD.

weres rock the shack

Originally posted by Ian Pillar weres rock the shack

I think your post ended up in the wrong topic... I think you were looking for the post topic called "Worst Of..."

Although i am new here, i've been a big fan for years. The latest greatest hits is so dissappointing. The only thing i want to get is the Promo for the chance to get the original Temptation on 12" to replace my old 7" single version.

alright Jeff, I'll do the slagging....Rock The Shack sucks as much as the tracklisting for the Best Of....no, actually Rock the Shack is much, much worse. Moron guitar rock, ego stroking nonsense, worthless collaboration, SHITE lyrics, ridiculous title and only saved from being the worst neworder song ever by Slow Jam.

RTS + French Best of = Pile of rubbish loudly signalling the end of neworder's creative era.

Originally posted by Biznotic Love Trapazoid alright Jeff, I'll do the slagging....Rock The Shack sucks as much as the tracklisting for the Best Of....no, actually Rock the Shack is much, much worse. Moron guitar rock, ego stroking nonsense, worthless collaboration, SHITE lyrics, ridiculous title and only saved from being the worst neworder song ever by Slow Jam.

Thanks Biznotic - I couldn't have slammed it better myself. Except you forgot to end it by saying "after hearing the song, I rammed a red hot poker in my ears to eradicate any remaining reverberations from my ears"

I have to agree with you chris. i'd rather hear barney whoop and whistle through Atmosphere or even State of the Nation on repeat than turn on commercial radio.