New Track 'Hellbent' On Forthcoming Compilation

Interesting...

Total - The Best Of Joy Division And New Order

Has anybody heard of it? From which sessions is it from?

New New Order !

After googling I am hoping it isn't another version of "Elegia".

Hmm... WFTSC out-take maybe?

'brand new never released new order track' WHAAAAAATT? If this is true I can only imagine it's a Sirens out-take, there can't be anything else in the vaults can there? I remember Barney telling a journo the Sirens burst of creativity was rare as they normally just did enuff trax to fill the albumm then pissed off home. 8/9, no less. Thanks for posting this, I'm intrigued...

Joy Division - Transmission Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart Joy Division - Isolation Joy Division - She's Lost Control Joy Division - Atmosphere New Order - Ceremony New Order - Temptation New Order - Blue Monday New Order - Thieves Like Us New Order - The Perfect Kiss New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle New Order - True Faith New Order - World In Motion New Order - Fine Time New Order - Regret New Order - Crystal New Order - Krafty New Order - Hellbent

Due for release on 06 June 2011 www.play.com

I hope its not some crappy instrumental. I suppose it could only be from WFTSC or, at a push, Republic as the Get Ready stuff is already out there.

I also hope that this will be on iTunes because the elephant in the room is that this is yet another cash-in compilation about ten minutes since the last one. Perhaps this is how it will always be now; the final recordings drip-fed through an eternal collection of compilations, each one remastering the fuck out of the tracks until they end up an ear shattering wall of noise.

They will sound just fine, 'Singles' is acknowledged to be the very worst it'll get, and the benchmark on how-not-to-do-it.

johnny james wrote: They will sound just fine, 'Singles' is acknowledged to be the very worst it'll get, and the benchmark on how-not-to-do-it.

... Sound aside, ethics aside, lack of Murder aside... Singles is probably the closest-to-definitive singles compilation around. Remember 'International'? Or 'Retro', a 4-CD comp including World not Thieves Like Us? Jeez...

Does make a nice one disc "hits" set for the uninitiated.

From an aesthetic standpoint don't really like throwing album track "isolation" in there. The well known "Dead Souls" would be a popular fit. Why not "Digital"?... it's gotten better known over time.

No "Everything's Gone Green" makes me sad.

Not a "Fine Time" hater but "Run" would be great instead.

The name "Hellbent" makes me think it might be another lame attempt to rock out as old men.

Is there still such a thing as an 'uninitiated' NO fan?

I guess as a concept it was always going to happen. We'll surely get a New Order: The Factory Years compilation (featuring a previously unreleased track) one day shortly followed by a New Order: Not The Factory Years (featuring a previously unreleased track).

Then it'll be New Order:The Complete Career Years (featuring a previously unreleased track).

Me, Im looking forward to New Order:Nice Tracks To Listen To On A Weekend (featuring previously uneleased tracks) and New Order:Some Songs That Start With The Letter T (featuring a previously unreleased track that starts with the letter T).

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Is there still such a thing as an 'uninitiated' NO fan?

A 13 year old?

Maybe somebody would buy this for the soccer anthem and enjoy the rest (very doubtful).

Really, the only market anymore is the simple digital download release or the special high priced vinyl reissue.

who would want this CD?????? apart from Hellbent of course which will keep the forum busy until release

Gene wrote: I guess as a concept it was always going to happen. We'll surely get a New Order: The Factory Years compilation (featuring a previously unreleased track) one day shortly followed by a New Order: Not The Factory Years (featuring a previously unreleased track).

Then it'll be New Order:The Complete Career Years (featuring a previously unreleased track).

"New Order: Music for Bank Managers and Other People Getting On In Years" would surely be the most accurate title...

Not a helluva lot different to

20 Years of NO promo

Equally superfluous

Hey! He ain't got a plan Living in his transit van Now the sky is turning dark Trying to find somewhere to park

You had the chances But threw them away Still living the lies of yesterday Can't follow an instruction You're hellbent on destruction

...... etc

Amazon US This title will be released on June 14, 2011.

Major Tarantino wrote: Hey! He ain't got a plan Living in his transit van Now the sky is turning dark Trying to find somewhere to park

You had the chances But threw them away Still living the lies of yesterday Can't follow an instruction You're hellbent on destruction

...... etc

GOLD!

(Maybe consider expanding 'Hey!' with a simple 'now watcha doin?')

This compilation genuinely could have worked for me if it was a 2 disc set with a thoughtful run through of JD and NO. But I suppose this compi was inevitable.

The cover looks nice enough, reminds me of the Run2 sleeve. But the 'OT' of 'total' makes me think of the other two TBH

Could be worse, could be re-recordings by ex-band members with Rowetta vocals.

M1 wrote:

Major Tarantino wrote: Hey! He ain't got a plan Living in his transit van Now the sky is turning dark Trying to find somewhere to park

You had the chances But threw them away Still living the lies of yesterday Can't follow an instruction You're hellbent on destruction

...... etc

GOLD!

(Maybe consider expanding 'Hey!' with a simple 'now watcha doin?')

People are going to think these are the real lyrics.

Hellbent on getting every last cent out of a glorious legacy.

too much time working overtime,,,not

FDISK wrote: Could be worse, could be re-recordings by ex-band members with Rowetta vocals.

I agree!

Nice sleeve, anyway... It looks like "Run 2".

amurr328 wrote: Oh ffs, what a lazy way to shift units.

Tacking one new track on a compilation of songs we already all have 10 times over. Substance 1987, (the best of) NewOrder, Heart and Soul, International, Retro and Singles are still very much available in your average high street HMV so - and I hate to be blunt but - what's the fucking point?

Once again zero respect for the fans, zero thought put into making a decent and quality product fans would actually love to own. Just Regret and Crystal for the four zillionth time and Morley (probably) jacking off in the liner notes.

It's like they're having a competition with Morrissey to see who can release the most pointless Best Of CD. (New Order were in the lead but Moz has started winning lately with his recent one)

I know money makes the world go round and artists are entitled to produce Best Ofs for new fans but the barrel has been scraped so much with New Order it's fucking disintegrated.

Disappointing.

....and exactly what release(s) would you like to see?

johnny james wrote: ....and exactly what release(s) would you like to see?

Well, an album of unreleased music/demos/etc in some format - basically all of the stuff that they left off the remasters would be nice. The odd live album wouldn't also go amiss...

I'm still waiting for True Dub to be released on CD! :p

Of course, the above will probably never happen, but you can always dream!

But, overall, for the first time in a long time, there's an actual New Order (not Joy Division!) track being released that I haven't heard...

I'm curious, as every release is greeted with negativity, about exactly what the fans would genuinely want to see released. I think I know the answer but it's good to have it aired...

Really?

That the best retort you've got?

How's about whatever tracks left over from the Siren's sessions?

In whatever state they're in.

For the same price as this nonsense "re-hash collection"+1.

And The Happy One.

Wow, another half arsed best of album

Do the members of New Order no longer care what they put out? They should get a new management team who can control what gets released. Since WFTSC in 2005 its been shocking/embarrassing the shite they have released.

:(

johnny james wrote: I'm curious, as every release is greeted with negativity, about exactly what the fans would genuinely want to see released. I think I know the answer but it's good to have it aired...

I for one would like a box set of true rarities/unreleased tracks/unreleased versions of tracks. The fifth disc of "Retro" that was put together for the fans is a good example of this.

I think most of the fans would be appreciative of releases that showed some thought, research, and effort. I understand that from a sales point of view the record label wants another "best of" every five years or whenever there's renewed interest in the band, but if we could get some fan-oriented releases in-between those "best ofs" that would be great!

When Peter and Stephen went back and corrected the two CD Factory remasters I thought that was fantastic and bought the entire lot of them for about $130 in one pop. I think there's a lot of fans out there willing to spend some serious cash if they felt that either the band or somebody close to the band was really going to mine the NO archive and release the results properly mastered. Just my two cents.

We have to pay for a whole album to get one new track left over from an album session.

Boooo!

The problem will be solved if the tracks are going to be available to buy individually though.

Yay?

My comment was meant to be as ridiculous as the notion of yet another bleeding compilation being supposedly validated by a single new track.

Your points are, of course, spot on Jarvo.

Unfortunately, I agree with the sceptics here. This loos just like the 2006 Depeche Mode best-of, with tracks everyone has got, except one.

I believe I read somewhere that New Order had about seven spare songs that they saved from the Waiting For The Sirens' Call album. Am I right?

What I'd like to hear is another remix project, only this time on CD and with a little more imagination taken into account by the producers/remixers.

Empress Touch wrote:

What I'd like to hear is another remix project, only this time on CD and with a little more imagination taken into account by the producers/remixers.

In a naval setting?

Would you really like to have a remix project? Presumably of New Order, not Joy Division?

Empress Touch wrote: I believe I read somewhere that New Order had about seven spare songs that they saved from the Waiting For The Sirens' Call album. Am I right?

To a degree, yes.

The songs are, according to Steve in a recent interview "in various states of assembly." That is, not finished or ready for release without more work. Which won't happen while relations with Hooky are 'not good.'

And so it goes.

Amazon UK (6 Jun 2011) Label: Rhino

Can we get back to being psyched about a new NO tune coming out?

This will make my summer, unless of course it's the name they've given to an instrumental version of 'I told you so'

Shakin' Baker wrote: Can we get back to being psyched about a new NO tune coming out?

Not to £9.99 we can't. We couldn't manage it to a 13 track Freebass album either.

It's something to put on iTunes. If you don't want to buy the whole thing, steal it. Maybe it will be on the next re-issue anyway.

Rorschach wrote:

Empress Touch wrote: I believe I read somewhere that New Order had about seven spare songs that they saved from the Waiting For The Sirens' Call album. Am I right?

To a degree, yes.

The songs are, according to Steve in a recent interview "in various states of assembly." That is, not finished or ready for release without more work. Which won't happen while relations with Hooky are 'not good.'

And so it goes.

Plus.. if relations with Hooky do improve to the point where they are able to finish of these 7 songs, they may as well do a few more and put out a whole new album..

everyoneverywhere wrote:

Rorschach wrote:

Empress Touch wrote: I believe I read somewhere that New Order had about seven spare songs that they saved from the Waiting For The Sirens' Call album. Am I right?

To a degree, yes.

The songs are, according to Steve in a recent interview "in various states of assembly." That is, not finished or ready for release without more work. Which won't happen while relations with Hooky are 'not good.'

And so it goes.

Plus.. if relations with Hooky do improve to the point where they are able to finish of these 7 songs, they may as well do a few more and put out a whole new album..

I wouldn't be too sure concerning this. Most likely this is a song which was mostly finished in 2005 and Bernard or Steve put the finishing touches to it with the permission of the other two, a little bit like "Let's go" in 1994. I can't see them sitting together in a studio and actually working on tracks again. Hopefully the rest of the WFTSC left-overs could also be completed this way.

johnny james wrote:

amurr328 wrote: Oh ffs, what a lazy way to shift units.

Tacking one new track on a compilation of songs we already all have 10 times over. Substance 1987, (the best of) NewOrder, Heart and Soul, International, Retro and Singles are still very much available in your average high street HMV so - and I hate to be blunt but - what's the fucking point?

Once again zero respect for the fans, zero thought put into making a decent and quality product fans would actually love to own. Just Regret and Crystal for the four zillionth time and Morley (probably) jacking off in the liner notes.

It's like they're having a competition with Morrissey to see who can release the most pointless Best Of CD. (New Order were in the lead but Moz has started winning lately with his recent one)

I know money makes the world go round and artists are entitled to produce Best Ofs for new fans but the barrel has been scraped so much with New Order it's fucking disintegrated.

Disappointing.

....and exactly what release(s) would you like to see?

The Sirens stuff, surely! I agree with everything Mr 328 says, especially the bit about Morley jacking off. He's been sustaining it for 30 years, makes Berlusconi look impotent. If there are 7 Sirens out-takes and this is indeed one of 'em, does that mean they're gonna come out on a pointles rerererererererehash apiece? Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Plus it's weird when a 'best of' compilation includes one exclusive track, I wonder why...

Yeah, it's yet another mickey mouse compilation.

Yeah, it'll probably have audio issues.

BUT (looking at it in a "glass half FULL" kinda way)..... it's a new N.O. track!!!!! The first "new" track we'll have heard in years.... I don't even care if it's rubbish - I can't wait to hear it..... it could be another 5 or 6 years before we get another one.

Am I the only one excited about hearing it?

Plus, hopefully we'll be able to buy the track as a standalone on itunes, rather than have to buy the whole album (fingers crossed).

father jack wrote: hopefully we'll be able to buy the track as a standalone on itunes, rather than have to buy the whole album (fingers crossed).

I have no intention of buying this and jamming it in between International and Singles so if it isnt on itunes I will download it illegally.

A tenner for one new song? Do me a favour.

http://www.indietective.de/product-160786.html exclusive for the German Order

father jack wrote: Yeah, it's yet another mickey mouse compilation.

Yeah, it'll probably have audio issues.

BUT (looking at it in a "glass half FULL" kinda way)..... it's a new N.O. track!!!!! The first "new" track we'll have heard in years.... I don't even care if it's rubbish - I can't wait to hear it..... it could be another 5 or 6 years before we get another one.

Am I the only one excited about hearing it?

Plus, hopefully we'll be able to buy the track as a standalone on itunes, rather than have to buy the whole album (fingers crossed).

I want to to echo your sentiments but I can't. The glass is neither half full nor half empty.

The glass is too big.

With a title like "Hellbent", odds are it's a Control OST outtake that lacked the toe-tapping qualities of the other three tracks.

Andy wrote: With a title like "Hellbent", odds are it's a Control OST outtake that lacked the toe-tapping qualities of the other three tracks.

Dry.

It's actually an unreleased Happy Mondays collaboration from back in 1988 (similar to A Certain Ratio's Good Together which as everyone knows featured Barney and Shaun Ryder on guest vocals).

FACT.

johnny james wrote: Would you really like to have a remix project? Presumably of New Order, not Joy Division?

Absolutely not!!! Remix albums are a cop-out, especially when there's things that haven't been issued on CD and unreleased things in the vault. I can't be bothered by some unknown DJ's "take" on a New Order song, espcially these days when remixes usually have nothing to do with the original track.

I think this compilation is not meant for the die hard fans. It's 'just' for newcomers to be introduced to the music. However; for these newcomers it's missing key tracks like Confusion, 1963 and Round & Round. But this will, ofcourse, always be debated.

Soundwise, I fear that this one will be no better than let's say International or (dare I say it) ... Singles. For example, I bet the dropouts in True Faith will still be there.

For example, I bet the dropouts in True Faith will still be there.

Nope, it's the 7" edit for a change, freshly sourced from the master.

Luke wrote: I think this compilation is not meant for the die hard fans. It's 'just' for newcomers to be introduced to the music. However; for these newcomers it's missing key tracks like Confusion, 1963 and Round & Round. But this will, ofcourse, always be debated.

Soundwise, I fear that this one will be no better than let's say International or (dare I say it) ... Singles. For example, I bet the dropouts in True Faith will still be there.

Substance? Best of New Order? Rest of New Order? Singles? International?

A perusal of the PRS database against both Hook and Sumner as writers brings up no matches, unless it is titled something else.

For anyone interested in what *is* on the database....songs registered that I've never heard of.

ie:

"humppakuski" "deadpool" co-writer Ian Curtis....

the list is long and interesting:)

Hellbent Boyos

www.slicingupeyeballs.com

The material on the album is mastered by Frank Arkwright and the cover art is designed by former Factory Records art director Peter Saville, according to Rhino.

1. Joy Division, “Transmission” (From Factory Records FAC 13 7” Single)
2. Joy Division, “Love Will Tear Us Apart” (From Factory Records FAC23 7” Single)
3. Joy Division, “Isolation” (From Factory Records FAC25 12” Album)
4. Joy Division, “She’s Lost Control” (From Factory Records FACUS2 12” Single)
5. Joy Division, “Atmosphere” (From Sordide Sentimental SS33002 7” Single)
6. New Order, “Ceremony” (From Factory Records FAC33 7” Single)
7. New Order, “Temptation” (From Factory Records FAC63 7” Single)
8. New Order, “Blue Monday” (From Factory Records FAC73 12” Single)
9. New Order, “Thieves Like Us” (From Factory Records FAC103 12” Single)
10. New Order, “The Perfect Kiss” (From Factory Records FAC123 7” Single)
11. New Order, “Bizarre Love Triangle” (From Factory Records FAC163 7” Single) 12. New Order, “True Faith” (From Factory Records FAC183 7” Single)
12. New Order, “Fine Time” (From Factory Records FAC223 7” Single)
13. New Order, “World In Motion” (From Factory Records FAC293 7” Single)
14. New Order, “Regret” (From London Records NUO1 7” Single)
15. New Order, “Crystal” (From London Records NUOCD8 CD Single)
16. New Order, “Krafty” (From London Records NUOX13 12” Single)
17. New Order, “Hellbent” (Previously unreleased track)

needs more joy division

There too much Division amongst those Boys to have any more Joy Jack.

please dont throw our Joy away.

It'll be shit. You know it will. Much as I'd love it to be a latter-day gem like Turn, it won't be. Shite lyrics, no vocal melody, paper thin vocals, that same drum beat that's on most of WFTSC and a meandering bass lead that is Hooky on autopilot.

I hope I'm wrong, though init

:rip:

Major T wrote: It'll be shit. You know it will. Much as I'd love it to be a latter-day gem like Turn, it won't be. Shite lyrics, no vocal melody, paper thin vocals, that same drum beat that's on most of WFTSC and a meandering bass lead that is Hooky on autopilot.

I hope I'm wrong, though init

Since it's a best-of compilation, it's really odd for them to spare a space for an unreleased song... However thay may be the very salvation for the track. And being in a collection of greatest tunes, the new track should be on par with them. Logical?

We'll get to hear it tomorrow on the FB page

Major T wrote: We'll get to hear it tomorrow on the FB page

Which could be seen as a positive. Someone somewhere clearly thinks a quick blast of it will tempt people into making a purchase rather than it putting them off.

SPW have THIS to say about the reasoning behind the cover art.

Does the cover spell TOT as in "New Order is dead", or is it "The Other Two", or possibly ToT the band?

I'm looking forward to hearing something new, no matter what it is, but surely the album is miss named, total would imply everything that had been recorded, should have been called partial

So I am guessing the band couldn't be arsed to put out a "Hellbent" single?

Though I should be careful what I wish for since I have never heard the track.

-Mike

What do we want instead of another greatest hits?

Republic, Get Ready, WFTSC double-disc-reissues? A "new" album of the unfinished songs and late-period non-LP tracks? Academy, Pumped Full Of Drugs, and Montreux 1993 on DVD? The yanked, but finished, archival live albums? A new remix project?

Nah, greatest hits of 18 songs you've already heard... and one you haven't.

Here it is... REALLY !!!

http://2fm.rte.ie/dan/

go on "Listen Back" and then at 64:50min...

ENJOY !!!

Thanks!! Well, I like it!!!! It's something between Player In The League and Dracula's Castle. A pity it never made to a proper album.

Lordsy wrote: Here it is... REALLY !!!

http://2fm.rte.ie/dan/

go on "Listen Back" and then at 64:50min...

ENJOY !!!

Danke schön.

Thanks for finding this!

Hmmm. Tempo a bit sluggish. Some tasty licks from, probably, Phil. Would have fitted better on Get Ready (and, indeed, Twisted Tenderness) than on WFTSC.

5 or 6/10.

Don’t want to be Captain Killjoy, but that is an adequate late-Order B-side at best.

If it had been on, say, the "Jetstream"-single I would have liked it OK...but it's not a case of "why the fuck didn't they put this on the album?".

Gonna pass on Total although I will certainly pay for this track - if it’s available separately.

Lordsy wrote: Here it is... REALLY !!!

http://2fm.rte.ie/dan/

go on "Listen Back" and then at 64:50min...

ENJOY !!!

Thank the Lordsy Heard it 3 times before it got pulled.Might sound better LIVE though quite interesting in view of the circumstances! Lot of apathy around this joint these days.

...on the plus side, this has at least reminded me that this place existed... And why I gave up any hope of any truly wonderful emerging from the band, collectively or individually, again... In a year where so much good new music has already been released, I guess there isn't really a place for late period NO-by-numbers any more...

Snorri xxx

Best thing New Order have done in years. Love it. Better than 70% of the stuff on WFTSC (IMO).

It will be a huge summer hit. Fans and promoters will be queuing up to get a New Order tour underway. Followed by a return to the studio for the band, resulting in a brand new album "Hey Now What You Waiting For?"

NO Regret wrote: Best thing New Order have done in years. Love it. Better than 70% of the stuff on WFTSC (IMO).

It will be a huge summer hit. Fans and promoters will be queuing up to get a New Order tour underway. Followed by a return to the studio for the band, resulting in a brand new album "Hey Now What You Waiting For?"

Unless that's a brilliant piss-take....

Anyway, I found it neither good nor bad. I don't hate it as much as Jetstream, but it's something I wouldn't say 'Oh I love this song'. Just another average NO song of the recent decade or so...

Sounds like a left over.

Better than BL though right?! I still hate Phil's playing though, so un-new order.

Can't believe there's a 'watcha doin' in there...

It's not the worst thing I've ever heard but someone's going to hell for packaging this next to LWTUA, Atmos, True Faith, Blue Monday et al...

blunt laser wrote: Better than BL though right?!

Depends, really. It’s better than, say, ”Dynamo”. But then so is a shit on a stick. If I compare it to BL’s ‘outtakes’, it’s about as good as “How Long” but nowhere near as good as “Higher Wider Deeper”.

Lordsy wrote: Here it is... REALLY !!!

http://2fm.rte.ie/dan/

go on "Listen Back" and then at 64:50min...

ENJOY !!!

http://blitz.aeiou.pt/gen.pl?p=stories&op=view&fokey=bz.stories/73417

linus sulanki wrote:

Lordsy wrote: Here it is... REALLY !!!

http://2fm.rte.ie/dan/

go on "Listen Back" and then at 64:50min...

ENJOY !!!

http://blitz.aeiou.pt/gen.pl?p=stories&op=view&fokey=bz.stories/73417

Surprise surprise a "what yer doing?" in the very first line.

Quite like the intro, Hooky and the bits of synth coming in after Barney's first lyrics

"You're a star in the sea" etc etc etc....

Erm, ... s'alright in places i guess

Story of my LIFE.....

I think it is a decent song in my opinion, nothing to complain about. I give it a 7/10

[* NOTE : SPOILERS AHEAD , IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE SONG, STOP READING *]

'i'm trying to say i'm sorry'

ok neworder's,

the return to rock, i would think, is where they were going..

not too bad, i like it..

hellbent (approximation)

time note words

-04:26 [guitar/bass/drums] -04:02 [vocal] old friend -03:59 [vocal] whatcha doing -03:58 [vocal] out there -03:55 [vocal] come inside -03:54 [vocal] sit yourself on that chair -03:53 [distorted vocal] yeah/yeah/yeah/yeah -03:48 [vocal] it's been a long time -03:45 [vocal] since the last time -03:46 [guitar] -03:41 [vocal] and many burdens -03:38 [vocal] have passed through our hands -03:31 [vocal] night into day and day into night -03:21 [vocal] do you know what i mean -03:18 [vocal] i'm trying to say i'm sorry -03:15 [vocal] you're the star in the sea -03:13 [vocal] you're not just anybody -03:10 [vocal] there's a light in your eye -03:08 [vocal] that i can't seem to reach -03:04 [vocal] over there in the sky -03:03 [vocal] is it shining on me? -02:57 [vocal] is it shining on me? -02:50 [inst break] -02:39 [vocal] i've always knew -02:36 [vocal] that you would not hang around -02:33 [vocal] you and me -02:26 [vocal] were the like the thieves of the town -02:23 [distorted vocal] yeah/yeah/yeah/yeah -02:18 [vocal] too many girlfriends -02:15 [vocal] but not enough love -02:13 [vocal] too many late nights -02:10 [vocal] and not enough sleep -02:08 [ragtime piano] -01:57 [vocal] strung out and wasted -01:54 [vocal] no good in shape for -01:52 [vocal] the life we tasted -01:49 [vocal] there on the table -01:46 [distorted vocal] hey/hey/hey/hey -01:41 [vocal] do you know what i mean -01:38 [vocal] i'm trying to say i'm sorry -01:36 [vocal] you're the star in the scene -01:33 [vocal] you're not just anybody -01:31 [vocal] there's a light in your eye -01:28 [vocal] that i can't seem to reach -01:25 [vocal] over there in the sky -01:22 [vocal] is it shining on me? -01:20 [vocal] we have hope in our heart -01:17 [vocal] and deeds in our head -01:15 [vocal] but most of the time -01:13 [vocal] we stayed in our bed -01:09 [vocal] you go out there (go out there) -01:07 [vocal] you just walked on -01:05 [vocal] it's a cold cold world -01:01 [vocal] outside that door -01:00 [bass solo] -00:39 [drums/bell/guitar] -00:00 [silence]

lyrics - new order (c) new order 2011

later -1

'you're not just anybody'

-1, i've had to create a new username to tell you how utterly ridiculous your analysis of this new song is. get a life. i'm not knocking or insulting you, but seriously, you obviously have way too much time. just enjoy the track!?!!?

newordivision wrote: -1, i've had to create a new username to tell you how utterly ridiculous your analysis of this new song is. get a life. i'm not knocking or insulting you, but seriously, you obviously have way too much time. just enjoy the track!?!!?

You are funny, but you are right this guy took too much time to do this, he must be a die hard NO fan and I thought I was.

there's a difference between being a die hard fan and doing that! that's just moronic. we're talking 3bass moronic here. MANI IS THAT YOU.

Oh dear. Mega shite.

I like it. I think its a really great NO track, irrespective of how it came to be on this compy. Its nice and uplifting, classic London-era New Order.

However, you've more chance of getting a wank off the pope than me shelling out for the album. Their last chance is to put it on iTunes or else I'll rob it from somewhere, I cant say fairer than that.

I'm stunned that people are calling it amazing etc.

Have I listened to the wrong song?!

i'm gonna buy the cd to see if those gobshites at london have fixed the problems that were on singles. after the +- disaster i am surprised they have even shown their faces with a new product!

almansoglasnost wrote: sounds a little like player in the league, doesn't it? it's clearly b-side material imho

Speaking of leagues,it is more Championship or League one than Premier league sadly.

M1 wrote:

Major Tarantino wrote: Hey! He ain't got a plan Living in his transit van Now the sky is turning dark Trying to find somewhere to park

You had the chances But threw them away Still living the lies of yesterday Can't follow an instruction You're hellbent on destruction

...... etc

GOLD!

(Maybe consider expanding 'Hey!' with a simple 'now watcha doin?')

You both called it!

newordivision wrote: i'm gonna buy the cd to see if those gobshites at london have fixed the problems that were on singles!

Yeah! That'll show 'em!

And if they havent then buy the next one just to prove your point.

yeah!

linus sulanki wrote:

newordivision wrote: -1, i've had to create a new username to tell you how utterly ridiculous your analysis of this new song is. get a life. i'm not knocking or insulting you, but seriously, you obviously have way too much time. just enjoy the track!?!!?

You are funny, but you are right this guy took too much time to do this, he must be a die hard NO fan and I thought I was.

ha ha, that's nothing.. wait until you see the charts and graphs i have for this song!

anyways, its not bad a song.. back in the old days i did a lot more analysis than this..

that's what happens when you have a math major, that's interested in music/computers/graphics/photography/video etc..

and it's not like there's much real new order material to discuss anyways..

later -1

Andy wrote:

M1 wrote:

Major Tarantino wrote: Hey! He ain't got a plan Living in his transit van Now the sky is turning dark Trying to find somewhere to park

You had the chances But threw them away Still living the lies of yesterday Can't follow an instruction You're hellbent on destruction

...... etc

GOLD!

(Maybe consider expanding 'Hey!' with a simple 'now watcha doin?')

You both called it!

I want royalties!

my two cents is that this is actually quite a decent track. it's not gonna change any lives but w/e. its summery, it's new order. i could go into length as to why it's not as good as X,Y,Z but whats the point. it is what it is. it's new, now we've heard it. yay !

Bruuuue Mundaaee wrote: Sounds like a left over.

Ummm. I think thats pretty much a given.

newordivision wrote: my two cents is that this is actually quite a decent track. it's not gonna change any lives but w/e. its summery, it's new order. i could go into length as to why it's not as good as X,Y,Z but whats the point. it is what it is. it's new, now we've heard it. yay !

I agree with you, I kind of like that song also.

Was REALLY looking forward to hearing Hellbent.....

Just heard it.... hmmmmmm .......not actually bad....... ummmmm...... not actually good either..... ermmmmmmmm...... bit of a b-side innit?...... oh, for fecks sake fellas, just get back together and produce some kick ass punky tracks like yer did when you first got together as Warsaw..... just coz you're middle aged, doesn't mean ya have to be middle-of the-road.

I LOVE New Order more than is reasonable for a normal person - I cannot stress this enough..... they are fantastic (but not above occasional criticism). Whilst some of their London-era stuff has been good, too much of it has been mid-tempo, middle of the road stuff that Cameron and Clegg probably click their fingers to and think "hey this is cool and edgy... just like Coldplay".

I still love 'em enough to believe one day they might put out something worthwhile again (or at least give us another decent live show before one of them kicks the bucket!).

EDIT: Just been watchin' the vid for Hooky, Rowetta and The Light's cover of Atmosphere..... pisses all over hellbent...... this Atmosphere cover would make a fab xmas number 1....... the campaign starts here!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiG1cUVVLGg

linus sulanki wrote:

newordivision wrote: it's not as good as X,Y,Z

I kind of like that song also.

Holy smokes. Was that a Pop Will Eat Itself reference?

Gawd bless you if so. See you at Beautiful Days.

Gene wrote:

linus sulanki wrote:

newordivision wrote: it's not as good as X,Y,Z

I kind of like that song also.

Holy smokes. Was that a Pop Will Eat Itself reference?

Gawd bless you if so. See you at Beautiful Days.

But it is I who am A, B and C, I carry no card, my life is cheap!

It's better than half the songs on WFTSC (jetstream, dracula, TYS), but not as good as the other half. Would have been an average song in this average album (or in the previous one - sounds a little bit like Brutal or PITL, btw).

Still, I'm happy to hear it and am quite enjoying it, but within a few days it will be forgotten.

I like it a good bit, but by no means loved it. Would have been good on Get Ready as a deep album cut, could've replaced Slow Jam, though I love the In Sessions version of that one. Couldn't agree more with the last post, very much thought of Brutal on first listen. Didn't think the lyrics were all crap. Typical late-era Sumner, quite liked the refrain.

Overall, 6/10 or better than average.

Too bad the NO 'tab community' is so weak, I love the song's bass, but I can't learn it by ear yet.

Sounds like a Get Ready leftover, sort of a Happy Mondays vibe attempt. Produced by Steve Osbourne?

Suppose better than nothing. Hardly single material. Was hoping for one of the supposed single quality lost WFTSC 2 tracks.

Tony Casanova wrote:

blunt laser wrote: Better than BL though right?!

Depends, really. It’s better than, say, ”Dynamo”. But then so is a shit on a stick. If I compare it to BL’s ‘outtakes’, it’s about as good as “How Long” but nowhere near as good as “Higher Wider Deeper”.

As much as Barney's lyrics have become similar ('what you doing..' etc...) I'd still rather listen to my BL album than this, thank you very much.

Interesting comment on Facebook this morning:

Peter Saville Associates Can we flog this horse any more? Ian Curtis RIP. Without you we'd all be nowhere. Totally: http://pitchfork.com/news/42572-joy-division-and-new-order-get-joint-best-of/

Just listening to Hellbent for the first time.

You're the star in the sea...

You and me we're like the thieves of the town

Too many girlfriends And not enough love Too many late nights And not enough sleep

An instrumental would be nice. The musics quite nice. Love that slow walking bassline at the start and some of the synthy bits are classic NO. Nice echoes of Brutal in there somewhere. I'm with Fiddy about that whatchadooin lyric too.

Sounds like a demo that someone's twiddled with.

3/10. See me

Do we know where this dates from yet? If it's one of the much-trumpeted WFTSC offcuts, and presumably the highlight at that, then I've suddenly lost my enthusiasm

leather_girl wrote:

Tony Casanova wrote:

blunt laser wrote: Better than BL though right?!

Depends, really. It’s better than, say, ”Dynamo”. But then so is a shit on a stick. If I compare it to BL’s ‘outtakes’, it’s about as good as “How Long” but nowhere near as good as “Higher Wider Deeper”.

As much as Barney's lyrics have become similar ('what you doing..' etc...) I'd still rather listen to my BL album than this, thank you very much.

Right. If I found a place for "Hellbent" among a list of all 15 BL songs, from best to worst, it would end up in the bottom half. Compared with the GR-era tracks, and even the WFTSC-era tracks we've heard, it's in the relegation zone.

I'm one of the number who finds "Hellbent" very reminiscent of "Sabotage" and "Brutal", and a little bit of "PITL" - but I don't like it as much as any of those.

i do have to say, some people on here are a bit poisonous. its silly to think a band would want to write the same stuff again and again. it's in the style of new order and it's fresh sounding. i'd rather this than nothing. pretty much sums it up.

Sounds more like Brutal to me, especially when they did it live. On the plus side, it's got all the usual hallmarks (wanksome lyrics, crisp bass, crashing guitars, Steve's platter, synth stabs), just a shame there's YET ANOTHER 'watcha doing' and an overall lack of umph. Trundles along quite nicely without actually climaxing.

Hi, havent posted for a long long while. An average track, but I've loved New Order for being everything except average . Guess I won't be holding my breath about the remaining WFTSC leftovers.

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: Hi, havent posted for a long long while. An average track, but I've loved New Order for being everything except average . Guess I won't be holding my breath about the remaining WFTSC leftovers.

Hello....long time NO POST.Hope you are well.You sent me a New Order related item a LONg time ago. Regards Rocket Mick

Not sure where I saw it meantioned but there was more tracks from the Get Ready sessions than saw the light of day. My guess this is one of those while they're keeping the sirens tracks (Sugar Cane etc) for a later release?

Rocket Mick wrote:

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: Hi, havent posted for a long long while. An average track, but I've loved New Order for being everything except average . Guess I won't be holding my breath about the remaining WFTSC leftovers.

Hello....long time NO POST.Hope you are well.You sent me a New Order related item a LONg time ago. Regards Rocket Mick

Hi Mick :) . Still got your productions too. I'm fine, got new jobs, still following stuff. Just been away form this forum a while, fondly remembering the good old days though.

Do wish people wouldn't compare this to Brutal though. I thought that was a lovely track.

Agreed. Brutal is underrated..... sounds better when performed live though (bit punkier, bit more edge - see the Finsbury Park footage).

Good to hear Julijana.

Second To None wrote: Not sure where I saw it meantioned but there was more tracks from the Get Ready sessions than saw the light of day. My guess this is one of those while they're keeping the sirens tracks (Sugar Cane etc) for a later release?

Agreed, it sounds very much from that era (Sabatage, Player In The League). I wouldnt be surprised if it was indeed from the Get ready sessions.

Am I the only one who thinks that song is good, I know it is not a classic but it is still good, people on this site are very judgmental about everything, everything can’t be gold, look at U2 and Depeche Mode their last albums weren’t the best but they were still decent, I think lately anything that NO does and their side project has been criticized too much here, after reading all of this stuff it makes me think of not liking their music also which is not a good thing at all.

I like Hellbent a lot more than Pictures in my mind, which I had close out halfway through from boredom. I enjoy that Get Ready sound the track has, it would've made a great maxi single at some point, but to each their own!

Anybody knows when it was recorded?

linus sulanki wrote: after reading all of this stuff it makes me think of not liking their music also.

It seems like alot of contributors also dont like their music, certainly all the albums released since the nineties began. The three London albums are often held up as examples of crap-ness and I've never understood why. Theres nothing wrong with that, its an opinion like any other but, fuck me, thats a long time not liking New Orders music.

Julijana Zitnjak wrote:

Rocket Mick wrote:

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: Hi, havent posted for a long long while. An average track, but I've loved New Order for being everything except average . Guess I won't be holding my breath about the remaining WFTSC leftovers.

Hello....long time NO POST.Hope you are well.You sent me a New Order related item a LONg time ago. Regards Rocket Mick

Hi Mick :) . Still got your productions too. I'm fine, got new jobs, still following stuff. Just been away form this forum a while, fondly remembering the good old days though.

Hi Ju

Remember our good talkings with Maya. Think she had a baby recently.

In my opinion every new order album has at least one song that is genius and one that is unlistenable shite

Think it was also recorded for The Beach soundtrack but Brutal was the chosen one. Just a moment of inspiration

I actually loved Get Ready. Absolutely loved it. Found Sirens harder to love but it had two stellar tracks on and a few god ones nevertheless. Also really liked the BL Paris show. Just find compilation's compilation's compilation unnecesarry and this track bland. Will give my opinion what I've heard of The Light on the corresponding thread.

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Hi Ju

Remember our good talkings with Maya. Think she had a baby recently.

Hi Julio. That's wonderful to hear :) .

very happy to hear "new" n.o. track i love it.but sad they doing another compilation,an album of unreleased stuff would be better

Boring Being wrote: Too bad the NO 'tab community' is so weak, I love the song's bass, but I can't learn it by ear yet.

I don't do tabs, but I'll try to do a vid to show it, the main low bass is very similar to crystal, not much lead bass.

The track sounds a bit like a bad lou track with a little bit of hooky on it, not bad musically, but lazy lyrics and auto tune on the vocal, better than nothing, but could be better, sounds like they're not really bothered.

http://www.mediafire.com/?rwhht2w0d888rex

Jed Stephens wrote:

Boring Being wrote: Too bad the NO 'tab community' is so weak, I love the song's bass, but I can't learn it by ear yet.

I don't do tabs, but I'll try to do a vid to show it, the main low bass is very similar to crystal, not much lead bass.

The track sounds a bit like a bad lou track with a little bit of hooky on it, not bad musically, but lazy lyrics and auto tune on the vocal, better than nothing, but could be better, sounds like they're not really bothered.

That would be even better. :D I've seen your videos, they're great, in fact.

for a date -- it may not be trustworthy, but one of the blogs I read said it was a 2005 outtake from the WFTSC sessions. Doesn't sound it, but that's what one source said.

It's neither good, nor bad, but a thoroughly normal, average late period NO track that would do well as a bside, or a mid-LP track. I have missed the interplay of drums, bass, and synths, its good to hear it again.

Thanks for posting the link, like all first hear new order stuff its familiar immediatly, liked it enough to play twice, got a little air of menace in there, though sounds like a rip from are friends electric.

its been a long time since the last time.

It's definitely a grower. Listened to it 3/4 times now and beginning to like it a lot. It's a windows down summer track. Is it Vintage NO? Probably not. However it is NO and for that I am chuffed. Here is a summer tune to hum along to that's better than 99% stuff released this year

linus sulanki wrote: http://www.mediafire.com/?rwhht2w0d888rex

Are we allowed to post these kind of links?

79 order wrote: Got a little air of menace in there, though sounds like a rip from Are Friends Electric.

Sounds more like the Nickleback song You Remind Me.

Unfortunately this track is yet another ostinato chord-phrase song that won't win the band many new fans, or airplay, except alternative radio stations. Pity, because it could have been brilliant if the gang had really pushed themselves to the limit...

Love the track. Bit unsure at first but listened to it about 10 times now. It does sound like a Get Ready era track.

I,ve seen Rhino are doing a special edition of Total for £20! Bit steep for one track we haven't got and a t shirt. But the t shirt does look nice!

Gene wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: after reading all of this stuff it makes me think of not liking their music also.

It seems like alot of contributors also dont like their music, certainly all the albums released since the nineties began. The three London albums are often held up as examples of crap-ness and I've never understood why. Theres nothing wrong with that, its an opinion like any other but, fuck me, thats a long time not liking New Orders music.

...not to mention posting on NOOL about how they've not liked anything since whenever and how crap everything that the band ever does is.

Monsieur Round & Round wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: http://www.mediafire.com/?rwhht2w0d888rex

Are we allowed to post these kind of links?

Ssshhh,Don't tell anyone. (I didn't think so as it is being commercially released.)

johnny james wrote:

Gene wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: after reading all of this stuff it makes me think of not liking their music also.

It seems like alot of contributors also dont like their music, certainly all the albums released since the nineties began. The three London albums are often held up as examples of crap-ness and I've never understood why. Theres nothing wrong with that, its an opinion like any other but, fuck me, thats a long time not liking New Orders music.

...not to mention posting on NOOL about how they've not liked anything since whenever and how crap everything that the band ever does is.

I haven't liked anything they've done since 1980

I like EVERYTHING.....everywhere.I just hate looking after it all.Flashwipes cannot clean 12 inch VinyL records.Ive been in REHAB but am CLEan Now.

Hellbent is the best thing since Walkers CRINKLES.

Do i win £40....or steal it as per NOrm.

God Bless the Other Two

It's A Family Affair:D

Why do people make such a big deal about another compilation album? According to my calculations, Elvis and the Beatles have 4 freaking thousand compilations. It's just something record companies do, every few years they round up the greatest hits and put them out there again. Every major artist you can think of has those cheap looking '20th century masters' comps with horrible sleeve and a boring photo of the band littering up cd racks.

Nobody says you have to buy it.

Oh god, that is so nondescript. NO are just treading wafer thin water..... to think you have to shell out for the compilation just to hear............

..........THAT?!!!!

cranelane wrote: I haven't liked anything they've done since 1980

Can anyone top that? Are there any JD/NO fans who've never liked any of their music at all?

Viewers, its over to you!

Julijana Zitnjak wrote: Hi, havent posted for a long long while. An average track, but I've loved New Order for being everything except average . Guess I won't be holding my breath about the remaining WFTSC leftovers.

Hi Julijana

Good to see you're still around.

Kev

Gene wrote:

cranelane wrote: I haven't liked anything they've done since 1980

Can anyone top that? Are there any JD/NO fans who've never liked any of their music at all?

Viewers, its over to you!

It was all downhill after the first Warsaw demos...

Snorri xxx

Interesting.

Why should we settle for mediocrity? Why should we like boring?

That's why I like NewOrder. Because they are not boring, or mediocre overall. Some of their songs are the finest sounds I have ever ever heard. I liked NewOrder and travelled all over Europe because they were so good. Not because they were mediocre, or boring. I wouldn't spent so much time, or money, or miles, or have so many of their records if they were dull.

If this song were their best thing ever, I'd never cross the road to see them or buy their music. NewOrder were capable - even to the end - of so much better than this. NewOrder don't get a freepass that everything they do is godlike genius. I go into every new NewOrder song hoping it will be another classic : often to be disappointed. "Hellbent" is a thoroughly average song by a band that's bored of itself. We're not Haters : they set the bar so high than even "quite good" is a long way to fall, and ultimately boring and mediocre compared to their highest points. This song? Better than "MTO", not as good as almost everything else.

I wouldn't spent so much time, or money, or miles, or have so many of their records if they were dull.

Just listended to it. Will get back to it but it sounds to me like an average 'Siren's' track. The intro is VERY promising but it evolves in a good BL song (minus the bass of course).

After a few listens it's grown on me, very slightly.

The layering is good and it gets better as it goes along.

Would have been a suitable b-side ...

johnny james wrote:

Gene wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: after reading all of this stuff it makes me think of not liking their music also.

It seems like alot of contributors also dont like their music, certainly all the albums released since the nineties began. The three London albums are often held up as examples of crap-ness and I've never understood why. Theres nothing wrong with that, its an opinion like any other but, fuck me, thats a long time not liking New Orders music.

...not to mention posting on NOOL about how they've not liked anything since whenever and how crap everything that the band ever does is.

C'mon, everyone is entitled to an opinion! I think most people agree that the London era songs are a mixed bag of good and not-so-good (at least compared to the earlier work, if not in their own right).

Everyone is on here coz they LIKE New Order... i don't think anyone here has ever said "how crap everything that the band ever does is".

I think this should be a place for open and reasonable discussion (including measured and sensible criticism) and people shouldn't be beaten down for expressing a rational viewpoint.

Spread the love and enjoy the weekend :) :)

I think this should be a place for open and reasonable discussion (including measured and sensible criticism) and people shouldn't be beaten down for expressing a rational viewpoint.

Great, now let me know when this starts happening.

Hellbent is competent, unremarkable record. You certainly wouldn't buy another unnecessary compilation to obtain it , but to those that do, bless you.

As posted on here earlier, there is a certain amount a treading water going on here, and this could of easily been an out take of say Brotherhood, but that was 25 years ago. Obviously this is London Records trying to obtain the cash that New Order didn't deliver in the way they wanted.

On Factory, New Order were a contemporary band. On London, they were not. Hellbent doesn't change a thing.

komakino wrote: Hellbent is competent, unremarkable record. You certainly wouldn't buy another unnecessary compilation to obtain it , but to those that do, bless you.

As posted on here earlier, there is a certain amount a treading water going on here, and this could of easily been an out take of say Brotherhood, but that was 25 years ago. Obviously this is London Records trying to obtain the cash that New Order didn't deliver in the way they wanted.

On Factory, New Order were a contemporary band. On London, they were not. Hellbent doesn't change a thing.

Brotherhood out take? I cant hear it myself. Apart from BLT all the tracks from that album where loud bass, loud guitars, not much pop synths, badly recorded vocals and not very polished production.

On Factory, New Order were a contemporary band. On London, they were not. Hellbent doesn't change a thing.

They haven't been on Factory for 22 years! Seriously, what were you expecting?

johnny james wrote:

I think this should be a place for open and reasonable discussion (including measured and sensible criticism) and people shouldn't be beaten down for expressing a rational viewpoint.

Great, now let me know when this starts happening.

Jeez Johnny, so cynical :)

father jack wrote: C'mon, everyone is entitled to an opinion!

Thats not in dispute (in fact nothing is) as I said in my post.

It just baffles me that, going by many opinions on here, so many people have disliked New Orders music since they left Factory. Or that the London stuff compares less favourably with the Factory stuff. Like I said, what a long time to like a band but not like their music.

I think I heard Hellbent about 50 times already and everytime the song finishes I am like WOW, what a great song.

Gene wrote:

father jack wrote: C'mon, everyone is entitled to an opinion!

Thats not in dispute (in fact nothing is) as I said in my post.

It just baffles me that, going by many opinions on here, so many people have disliked New Orders music since they left Factory. Or that the London stuff compares less favourably with the Factory stuff. Like I said, what a long time to like a band but not like their music.

I don't think that people necessarily dislike the music per se, it's just in the last 15 years the ratio of wank to wow has been a constant disappointment (not totally convinced that makes total sense, but you get the idea)... In my opinion, there has been some great stuff from the London era, some mediocre tracks and one or two piles of utter shite... Others will feel that the mediocre/crap dominates... What many people will agree on, is that for a band who have been so innovative, so jaw-droppingly amazing (at times) in the past (yet capable of being abysmal in the next breath), the returns have (understandably, I suppose) diminished over the years... But we still live in hope (presumably because we know that never being the most commercially minded), that there may well be something worth hearing languishing in the archives... For me, that hope, that chance, however faint, is what keeps me coming back to the band and here... So I don't particularly care for Hellbent, other people may well do, and I'm glad there are, just as I am that people like The Light, even though neither really do anything for me... I'll happily talk about what a great track Krafty is, if it'd help...

So, anyway I suppose what I'm trying to say is I think it's disappointment rather than disliking that leads to some of the comments here...

Snorri xxx

Snorrimon wrote:

Gene wrote:

father jack wrote: C'mon, everyone is entitled to an opinion!

Thats not in dispute (in fact nothing is) as I said in my post.

It just baffles me that, going by many opinions on here, so many people have disliked New Orders music since they left Factory. Or that the London stuff compares less favourably with the Factory stuff. Like I said, what a long time to like a band but not like their music.

I don't think that people necessarily dislike the music per se, it's just in the last 15 years the ratio of wank to wow has been a constant disappointment (not totally convinced that makes total sense, but you get the idea)... In my opinion, there has been some great stuff from the London era, some mediocre tracks and one or two piles of utter shite... Others will feel that the mediocre/crap dominates... What many people will agree on, is that for a band who have been so innovative, so jaw-droppingly amazing (at times) in the past (yet capable of being abysmal in the next breath), the returns have (understandably, I suppose) diminished over the years... But we still live in hope (presumably because we know that never being the most commercially minded), that there may well be something worth hearing languishing in the archives... For me, that hope, that chance, however faint, is what keeps me coming back to the band and here... So I don't particularly care for Hellbent, other people may well do, and I'm glad there are, just as I am that people like The Light, even though neither really do anything for me... I'll happily talk about what a great track Krafty is, if it'd help...

So, anyway I suppose what I'm trying to say is I think it's disappointment rather than disliking that leads to some of the comments here...

Snorri xxx

Great post, though I'm not sure about the line re: Krafty...

komakino wrote: Great post, though I'm not sure about the line re: Krafty...

I guess the world just ain't ready for a critical appraisal of the genius of lines like 'Sitting in a car and driving down the road' yet...

Snorri xxx

I've only listened to it once at a proper volume. I liked it.

linus sulanki wrote: I think I heard Hellbent about 50 times already.

You have my sympathies:) Listening to it for the second time I like the chorus but the chords in the verses sound over familiar but overall if it had been on Get Ready instead of Slow Jam it would have fitted in well,sounds like it came from the same sessions as Brutal alright which would mean it was recorded in 1999-2000? when they were still feeling their way back into things. As for moaning about New Order,well it's theraputic I guess. New Order have been always known for their honesty,maybe it's a Manchester thing,I wouldn't know,I've never been there.

Anyone else think the synth is a bit like Are Friends Electric?

cranelane wrote:

Monsieur Round & Round wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: http://www.mediafire.com/?rwhht2w0d888rex

Are we allowed to post these kind of links?

Ssshhh,Don't tell anyone. (I didn't think so as it is being commercially released.)

Warners obviously don't pay any attention to the fans so I doubt they'd notice!

This is why recycle is such a good idea. Why would a band even need a record label these days when you can do recycle instead. LOVE it. Out of interest does anyone know how recycle pay the group ??? I want to suggest doing it to my other favorite band!

This is why recycle is such a good idea. Why would a band even need a record label these days when you can do recycle instead. LOVE it. Out of interest does anyone know how recycle pay the group ??? I want to suggest doing it to my other favorite band!

Well guess what, nobody pays the band.

But the band approve it tho ??

newordivision wrote: But the band approve it tho ??

They approved free MP3's? I doubt it... :p :p

ok so why is it so adored here !?

i've gone very cold turkey on it very suddenly. i thought it was an official process.

just seems a bit pointless and dare i say arrogant now!

http://www.creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2011/may/joy-division-and-new-order-sleeve-by-saville-and-parriswakefield


Hellbent is No. 13 on this week's Sirius XMU Download 15 so it is getting some airtime on Sirius. Heard it this morning at about 8:15am. Nice to hear it on the radio.

Just to throw this out there...

Any way this could be a hybrid track? An older track finished by Bad Lt.? Similar to "Let's Go" for the Best of? collection.

Hellbent is all over the place.

amurr328 wrote: Surprised how many people thought it was a Get Ready or Brutal outtake. To me it sounds like a definite leftover from Sirens' Call.

Think Hooky confirmed this on Monty radio show

Yeah it's a definite WFTSC track. Hooky wants them out,Barney and Steve don't as yet.. Shame...I like SISTER & BROTHER too. Good news about PETER HOOK - THE HAPPY ONE/SOONER THAN YOU THINK live @ PMT MUSIC,Salford getting a release.

Getting a release that's seperate from the £400 pound Foruli book edition? Has anyone got any of those?

Listened to it once and what struck me is how ambitious this track is. I love it!

MONTY wrote: Good news about PETER HOOK - THE HAPPY ONE/SOONER THAN YOU THINK live @ PMT MUSIC,Salford getting a release.

Hope that's not a stupidly expensive ltd ed ep, just a normal CD or download, I'd love a decent recording of the happy one.

If its getting radio play why not release Hellbent as a single? Oh yeah... no one would buy Total then...

it is a great new order song, 2005, with brilliant arrangement, lyrics, vocals. it is timeless, as usual . never ever underestimate the magnificent value of each song with this band's name on it. there are more songs . maybe as many as 7. there are many recent excellent indie groups 2000- 2011 , but new order is always better, no matter what the competition creates. this is the top band worldwide for all time.

If its getting radio play why not release Hellbent as a single? Oh yeah... no one would buy Total then...

There are no singles, you're living in the past.

Sammy wrote: Listened to it once and what struck me is how ambitious this track is. I love it!

OK, I'll bite. In what way is it ambitious?

Ambitious of the record company to add it to a Best Of?

:\pimp3:

Listened to it again and again - I really like it. It's catchy, unlike the other half of WFTSC.

I don't understand what everyone's bitching about, I like the track fine - not their most memorable work, but there are a fair number of tracks I like less. The "watcha doin" made me cringe, but it gradually picks up, and the instrumental climax is very nice, a classic Order touch we haven't gotten enough of for some time. And for the record, I thought Sabotage, PitL, etc, were good tracks, B-sides though they might be. Better than Slow Jam or Rock the Shack, certainly.

No chance I'll buy the annual singles collection; I'll *gladly* pay for Recycle when the label twats actually put out something that good. Until then I feel no guilt.

Would like to hear the remaining Siren sessions tracks. Would like to hear some official live albums; it's a shame Barney's such a tight-fisted perfectionist (apparently). Wouldn't mind more along the lines of Retro Disc 5 - but as was discussed back then, there may not *be* that many "unreleased tracks" that are even worth hearing (especially if they get the reception Hellbent has gotten here). Remixes I have little or no use for.

keepitcoming wrote: it is a great new order song, 2005, with brilliant arrangement, lyrics, vocals. it is timeless, as usual . never ever underestimate the magnificent value of each song with this band's name on it. there are more songs . maybe as many as 7. there are many recent excellent indie groups 2000- 2011 , but new order is always better, no matter what the competition creates. this is the top band worldwide for all time.

Is this a joke? hellbent's fine but in the NO scheme of things...

Looks like I'm last to know. I've just been watching this morning's Soccer AM. They had some music playing behind Spanish goals......"blah-blah-watcha doin'" (that sounds like a NO lyric, I laugh)....then not very NO guitar.......(he sounds a bit like Bernard)..then an unmistakeable bass....sh!t the bed it IS New Order!..comes up on screen "Hellbent" June 6. I raced on here because I thought they were getting the band back together, on a mission from god. Alas. Nevermind, at least we got a b-side.

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

keepitcoming wrote: it is a great new order song, 2005, with brilliant arrangement, lyrics, vocals. it is timeless, as usual . never ever underestimate the magnificent value of each song with this band's name on it. there are more songs . maybe as many as 7. there are many recent excellent indie groups 2000- 2011 , but new order is always better, no matter what the competition creates. this is the top band worldwide for all time.

Is this a joke? hellbent's fine but in the NO scheme of things...

Maybe some of us are so desperate to hear unreleased material that some of us would like to give too much praise to the unreleased material. Of course, I'm not trying to argue with those who like the song....

johnny james wrote:

If its getting radio play why not release Hellbent as a single? Oh yeah... no one would buy Total then...

There are no singles, you're living in the past.

Maybe I am living in the past a tad, but I reminisce of these

days

I wasn't signed up at the time but I remember the period very well, I also remember how at the time everyone was complaining about the state of the UK charts and how New Order had to compete with dross like Five and S Club 7.

Little wonder did we know back then things would get a hell of a lot worse ten years later.

If New Order got into the singles chart today, it would be a ray of sunshine on a field of soggy manure.

Just heard Hellbent on Radio 2 driving home, made my evening. What a great song

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00536BD1G/ref=dm_sp_alb?ie=UTF8&qid=1306809465&sr=1-1-catcorr

Amazon UK MP3 Download

Tokoloshe Man wrote: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00536BD1G/ref=dm_sp_alb?ie=UTF8&qid=1306809465&sr=1-1-catcorr

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WTF? ALL the above tracks are "2011 Total versions"?

WTF? ALL the above tracks are "2011 Total versions"?

Don't read anything into that. I presume that's to differentiate between the tracks that are shared between other releases, they are recently remastered versions after all.

http://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Hellbent/release/2910141

Single street date???

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00538SB14/ref=dm_sp_alb?ie=UTF8&qid=1306853456&sr=8-3

Der Chris wrote: http://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Hellbent/release/2910141

Single street date???

Hmmmm.... :)

I might actually buy it! It will be my first CD in a year. I just love the cover and I want to re-live 1995 all over again this summer, ha!

But I agree Isolation is out of place here and I'll be pissed if SLC will be the UP version and not the 12".

almansoglasnost wrote:

Der Chris wrote: http://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Hellbent/release/2910141

Single street date???

see this: Steve + Bernard / Hooky? I wonder what does that mean

Interesting....

MONTY wrote: Yeah it's a definite WFTSC track. Hooky wants them out,Barney and Steve don't as yet.. Shame...I like SISTER & BROTHER too. Good news about PETER HOOK - THE HAPPY ONE/SOONER THAN YOU THINK live @ PMT MUSIC,Salford getting a release.

The song Sister & Brother isn't that a song from the WFTSC leftovers, so did you get to hear it already, where did you hear it and how can I hear that song also, any release date for that song, by the way Hellbent is a great catchy song.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Order-Joy-Division-total-rare-promo-CD-/320707413542?pt=UK_CDsDVDs_CDs_CDs_GL&hash=item4aaba6c626#ht_526wt_1141

linus sulanki wrote:

The song Sister & Brother isn't that a song from the WFTSC leftovers, so did you get to hear it already, where did you hear it and how can I hear that song also, any release date for that song.

If I remember well, Hooky played this song in a DJ set few years ago...

Sister and Brother was played live by the Light 2-5-10. I think Hook did play a Sirens outtake when DJing, but I can't remember the name - something like When You're Away.

Hélène's friend wrote:

linus sulanki wrote:

The song Sister & Brother isn't that a song from the WFTSC leftovers, so did you get to hear it already, where did you hear it and how can I hear that song also, any release date for that song.

If I remember well, Hooky played this song in a DJ set few years ago...

Yup, you remembered correctly - I wasn't (unfortunately) there at the time, but it was probably Dirty South (in Lewisham) and one other place.

How come the NOOL front page does not have a single word on this release?

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: How come the NOOL front page does not have a single word on this release?

Well, quite... :p

They do in fact seem to be different versions of at least some of the tracks. Anyone noticed?

The mixing seems to be more subtle and less full-on with the older tracks. Perhaps Rhino have listened....

Nick King wrote:

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: How come the NOOL front page does not have a single word on this release?

Well, quite... :p

Isn't that what the forum's for?

Snorri xxx

said i'd buy it and i did. really impressed. artwork is fab. music sounds GREAT. really good. refreshingly good.

Good track listing, but can't say I really enjoy Hellbent. Previewed it on Facebook when it made it's debut and what started off as a really good track had me shaking my head once Barney started singing "Yeah... yeah... yeah..." in the background. That moment of cheese killed it for me.

Should have mentioned I bought TWO copies of Total today

No, I'm not mad, one was a birthday present for a friend. Nothing wrong with a bit of conversion tactics

i bought Hellbent for £ 0.99 on 7digital.com :\ohwell:

Nick King wrote:

newordivision wrote: But the band approve it tho ??

They approved free MP3's? I doubt it... :p :p

Yes, they know about Recycle - at least one of the band members was given all 20 of the singles in lossless format. Their manager intervened with Warners because he wanted us to finish the project so he personally could have a complete set. The've given their silent consent by not having it taken down. That may change at some point, but as the site has been active for 2 years, I doubt it.

£50 Note wrote:

Nick King wrote:

newordivision wrote: But the band approve it tho ??

They approved free MP3's? I doubt it... :p :p

Yes, they know about Recycle - at least one of the band members was given all 20 of the singles in lossless format. Their manager intervened with Warners because he wanted us to finish the project so he personally could have a complete set. The've given their silent consent by not having it taken down. That may change at some point, but as the site has been active for 2 years, I doubt it.

Impressed.Very impressed

amurr586 wrote: I obtained a CD-R copy of a promotional CD "by other means" last week but I had already ordered and paid for the CD/T-shirt bundle Rhino were offering online two to three weeks ago. I'm still waiting for my proper copy to arrive. I refuse to pay £30-40 on Ebay thus far for a promo CD, those sellers can fuck right off to be honest. Zero difference to the final release either.

Must admit for the price we paid for the bundle (£20) Rhino really should have had them in the post last Thursday/Friday so they arrived on the day of release rather than us waiting around wondering which day it'll come. I had nothing in my post box this morning and I'm central London so hardly rural.

A small point but I'm just glad they got the mastering right this time.

i do agree. £20 for an official t-shirt and an brand new album is a lot of money. it should have been like £11 maximum.

I have bought the Total CD, not too bad a price for a t -shit and CD with unheard track. How much would we have padi if this was only a limited release like the recent record day Ceremony / In a lonely place. Warners messed up my order as per usualy although they are sorting it out.

amurr586 wrote:

everyoneverywhere wrote: They do in fact seem to be different versions of at least some of the tracks. Anyone noticed?

The different versions you are noticing are the original 7" edits some of which previously appeared on 2005's Singles albeit sonically brick-walled on that particular compilation.

Ceremony, Temptation, Thieves Like Us, Bizarre Love Triangle, True Faith and Fine Time are all the original UK 7" versions on Total. Perfect Kiss is the US/Qwest 7" Edit; a first for a New Order CD release (official anyway). On the JD side She's Lost Control appears to be the same 12" mix which featured on Substance 1977-1980. All the other JD tracks are the well worn versions we all know.

everyoneverywhere wrote: The mixing seems to be more subtle and less full-on with the older tracks. Perhaps Rhino have listened....

Indeed, it has to be said that the overall sound of Total is much, much closer to what Singles and the Factory album reissues should have sounded like in the first place. Hats off to Frank Arkwright and Stephen Morris, they really did sort it out this time. It's just a crying shame it took so many New Order CDs to get to this stage where the mastering is what it should be.

A boring compilation for the hardcore but for new fans it's not a bad introduction really.

And yes, I like Hellbent

I will also add to this and state that the intro for Blue Monday has the beginning kick drums fully intact (as it appears on Substance), plus the panning issue that usually occurs at 2:25 is fixed.

Ceremony and Temptation have zero hiss and also sound much better than what appeared on both Singles and the remasters.

Oh, and Ceremony's stereo channels are correct, not reversed like they were on Singles.

Sounds like an outtake from GetReady, or a Bside from that time that didn't quite make it.

Many echos of Brutal in it as well; maybe it was pre-GetReady even.

Thinking about it, there were some great BSides around the time of GetReady, wonder if there are any hidden gems we've not yet heard?

It's definitely a Sirens outtake, just confirmed by Steve on Radio 6

Skullcrushed wrote: It's definitely a Sirens outtake, just confirmed by Steve on Radio 6

So that means that now there are only 6 tracks left for us to hear, there were 7, so now only six left, yikes

By the way I thought the leftovers were unfinished and still needed some work so how did they release Hellbent if they were unfinished.

linus sulanki wrote: By the way I thought the leftovers were unfinished and still needed some work so how did they release Hellbent if they were unfinished.

Misconception. They were finished, but after the deadline for the album to be mastered, so there was no time to consider including them.

£50 Note wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: By the way I thought the leftovers were unfinished and still needed some work so how did they release Hellbent if they were unfinished.

Misconception. They were finished, but after the deadline for the album to be mastered, so there was no time to consider including them.

Thanks for that info

Steve is quoted recently as saying that they were in 'various states of completion'.

£50 Note wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: By the way I thought the leftovers were unfinished and still needed some work so how did they release Hellbent if they were unfinished.

Misconception. They were finished, but after the deadline for the album to be mastered, so there was no time to consider including them.

Very interesting. So these tracks should surface at some point? A seven track ITunes mini album maybe?

With this much publicity they'd probably sell better than Total!

Have the CD/T-shirt versions been released yet?

Nothing as yet through the post.

Major T wrote: Anyone else think the synth is a bit like Are Friends Electric?

Great minds hear alike.

And Morning Night & Day sounds like a Madge tune but I can't remember which?

I like it. Buy it or don't.

PHD wrote: Have the CD/T-shirt versions been released yet?

Nothing as yet through the post.

Completely bugger all here too - where do they send this stuff from? Outer Mongolia?

Nick King wrote:

PHD wrote: Have the CD/T-shirt versions been released yet?

Nothing as yet through the post.

Completely bugger all here too - where do they send this stuff from? Outer Mongolia?

Thanks Nick. I've just recently gone for Movement & PCL Remasters direct from Rhino and they were despatched from Germany. They usually take a couple of weeks. Hope this isn't the case with this lot..

amurr586 wrote: Breakdown of the song versions in case anyone is interested prior to purchasing:

1. Joy Division - Transmission (7" Version)
2. Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart (12" Version)
3. Joy Division - Isolation (Album Version)
4. Joy Division - She's Lost Control (12" Mix)
5. Joy Division - Atmosphere (Original Version)
6. New Order - Ceremony (7" Version w/o Gillian)
7. New Order - Temptation (7" Version)
8. New Order - Blue Monday (1983 12" Version)
9. New Order - Thieves Like Us (7" Version)
10. New Order - The Perfect Kiss (US/Qwest 7" Version)
11. New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle (Shep Pettibone 7" Remix)
12. New Order - True Faith (7" Version)
13. New Order - World In Motion (Single Version)
14. New Order – Fine Time (7" Version)
15. New Order - Regret (Album Version)
16. New Order - Crystal (Radio Edit)

Ally.. how do you do that.. i've had em on in car since Monday n still unsure 'where' each version is from. Do you spend like hrs just listening n timing each one

It says which versions in the inner sleeve

everyoneverywhere wrote: It says which versions in the inner sleeve

Ah-ha, but he didn't have that info... :)

Nick King wrote:

everyoneverywhere wrote: It says which versions in the inner sleeve

Ah-ha, but he didn't have that info... :)

Correct a mundo Nickos... i luckily managed to pk up (for £15)a promo copy from a rec. shop in Toon last Sat (while wasting time b4 the Coral gig). Hellbent is a grower like...

Andrew Sayer wrote:

Nick King wrote:

everyoneverywhere wrote: It says which versions in the inner sleeve

Ah-ha, but he didn't have that info... :)

Correct a mundo Nickos... i luckily managed to pk up (for £15)a promo copy from a rec. shop in Toon last Sat (while wasting time b4 the Coral gig). Hellbent is a grower like...

Yup, likewise - managed to grab the promo for a tenner, and yup, Hellbent is actually growing on me. I'd have like there to be more of Hooky's bass, however... :)

The Rhino CD/t-shirt package arrived this morning - from Germany - I'm glad that they send these things quickly...

Nick King wrote:

The Rhino CD/t-shirt package arrived this morning - from Germany - I'm glad that they send these things quickly...

I can't confirm this. I haven't got it.

confusion wrote:

Nick King wrote:

The Rhino CD/t-shirt package arrived this morning - from Germany - I'm glad that they send these things quickly...

I can't confirm this. I haven't got it.

What? You mean they send items quicker from Germany to the UK, than Germany to Germany??

Blimey!

Nick King wrote:

confusion wrote:

Nick King wrote:

The Rhino CD/t-shirt package arrived this morning - from Germany - I'm glad that they send these things quickly...

I can't confirm this. I haven't got it.

What? You mean they send items quicker from Germany to the UK, than Germany to Germany??

Blimey!

Yep and I had to pay 5.58 GBP for shipping. Tomorrow I am not here and Monday is a bank holiday. So I will get it Tuesday, I think.

Nick King wrote:

Andrew Sayer wrote:

Nick King wrote:

everyoneverywhere wrote: It says which versions in the inner sleeve

Ah-ha, but he didn't have that info... :)

Correct a mundo Nickos... i luckily managed to pk up (for £15)a promo copy from a rec. shop in Toon last Sat (while wasting time b4 the Coral gig). Hellbent is a grower like...

Yup, likewise - managed to grab the promo for a tenner, and yup, Hellbent is actually growing on me. I'd have like there to be more of Hooky's bass, however... :)

The Rhino CD/t-shirt package arrived this morning - from Germany - I'm glad that they send these things quickly...

So quickly I got mine today.

I hope the t-shirt isn't a fake.

Simon Simpson wrote:

Major T wrote: Anyone else think the synth is a bit like Are Friends Electric?

Great minds hear alike.

And Morning Night & Day sounds like a Madge tune but I can't remember which?

Material Girl

The copy on Amazon US is listed as an import. Is there an actual US date for this thing?

Got my cd/t shirt yesterday, t shirt design is pretty nice but made of really thin shit material. as is the booklet in the cd case. But i can feel a wee phase of listening to New Order coming on in the next few days. Something i havent really done in a long time. P.S. Bill Turnbull or what ever he is called is an arse hole.

I got my shirt through, it's on a gildan heavy, pretty much the standard band t-shirt brand/weight. you're talking tosh! it's obviously not going to be (peter) saville row!

Finally got my CD. Enjoyed JD tracks, and Isolation, though out of logic here, feels right. Or maybe I was driving too fast on the highway.

Now when I got to Ceremony.... Why oh why, did they use this version? I know you lot cried about this obscure version but it was given a proper treatment on Singles, if anything can help that track. And then again on the 2008 reissues. The production is muddy, the rudemental echo sounds like it was recorded at Sun Records. I love the song, both in its live rendition and in the other studio version. You know, I don't care for the lyrics or melody at this point - that I've known long already, I just enjoy every second of the familiar sound - and the Joy Division/New Order sound was always polished, immaculate, impeccable in the studio. Here we get a demo-like version on a compilation CD for the masses. That also applies to Temptation to a lesser extent, for they didn't have a principally differently produced version to use; the 87 remake may be better but it would be out of context here.

I'll resume listening tomorrow when I'll get in the car: it'll start off Blue Monday! :)

I just bought the new track only at Amazon for 91 cents. I don't feel the need to buy another compilation just for one track. It's a nice song.