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Reformed without Peter Hook, the Red Devils have revisited their repertoire during a show charity dedicated to their friend director and producer, Michael Shamberg. It was, we were able to talk to Bernard Sumner: it tells you.

It is 20 hours when you arrive at the Bataclan in the pouring rain to find the occasion fondly called New Order posted up in lights above the entrance. The room, she looks like a pub in Soho: the ratio of French / English is approximately 30 to 60 and can not be mistaken as to the origin of our friends across the Channel as their northern accent and " luv "to all the sauces fragrant gloom of Manchester.

Five years after the departure of Peter Hook, almost a decade after that of Gillian Gilbert, New Order forms again for the second time this week without Hooky, too busy to return to Joy Division all over the world it seems. A reunion for fun, but also to help the American director Michael Shamberg, their longtime friend and producer of the critically ill clips of True Faith, Touched by the Hand of God and Regret, to raise funds to cover health costs . "We knew that Michael was in a catastrophic situation and wanted to help. Give these concerts we thought the best way to do something for him that makes sense. It helped us a lot in the past, it was our turn to reciprocate, especially the United States, health care costs are poorly supported "explained later Bernard Sumner.

If yesterday the group was in Brussels where he was "finished at dawn," is this evening in Paris that he is reviving its inception thirty years old. Accompanied by Phil Cunningham on guitar and Tom Chapman on bass, the original line-up arrives on stage (without Peter Hook Gillian but then) to begin Elegia and Crystal. The beginning of the concert is dedicated to the securities darkest and most melodic Mancunians. Then immersed in the recovery period the group after the death of Joy Division, resurrection, too, against a backdrop of video clips from New Order - some produced by Michael Shamberg.

Ceremony, beefier at the time, resonates in the Bataclan while the public cries of joy. Sumner, he impresses guitar in hand, the British seem thirty years younger than his age is applied, alongside Phil Cunningham, to detach each note as the first day. If the set of Peter Hook is sometimes lacking, all is the road we expected no less of the group, which also seems happy to be there as fans gathered in compact packages.

"Who had the idea of ​​party last night?" Sumner asked his colleagues. "Oh, it's me" he says with a laugh. Despite the stifling heat of the Bataclan ("anyone can open the windows?" Do we hear), New Order does not move and started, after a pause where he played quieter including Age Of Consent Love Vigilantes, and, in a large company to restore the Haçienda. "This is where you put the drum machine start" screaming Sumner beginning 1963. It stirs the public who sings in the heart with Barney, while it jumps and dance as a kid.

Nothing seems to have changed in New Order, which perfectly fulfills his contract by celebrating his return with ease and enthusiasm - we had a lot more difficult to follow Peter Hook in his resurrection Unkown Pleasures last year at the festival Europavox. While some titles may not have aged very well (we think Bizarre Love Triangle, a little faded by the years), most (True Faith, Temptation 586 and concluded that indeed the set) have retained their magnetism and sound 2011 as if received, the time of joyous evening moved without nostalgia, the eighties and nineties to dinner.

Back for a recall, Sumner and his band are not immune to the inevitable (and always hypnotic) Blue Monday, which will be difficult to hear the first notes of the public as the screams cover the sound. Standing in the pit on the balcony, the crowd with a heavy heart when New Order book version of Love Will Tear Us Apart Joy Division: some dance wildly (it also gives a 10/10 double with Ian Curtis for his epileptic dance next to us), others close their eyes as if to recall a time when Manchester was the center of the world. "Who would have thought that a song so sad one day would bring as much joy?" loose Bernard Sumner, huge smile pasted to his face, before leaving the scene - perfect conclusion to a concert that would not have wanted different.

"It was fantastic, really. I was dead because I drank too much yesterday in Brussels. I never had a lot of will when it comes to resisting the temptation to party. We enormously repeated for two concerts. We spent over two months to work. We needed to celebrate the event in our own way I think and I'm worth a hell of a hangover. The heat on stage did not help me . I felt like I give a concert in a sauna. Well, after all, comes from England where it is always cold it feels good to take a hit of heat and sweating a bit "says Sumner when 'it is found after the concert in the boxes, perched on a wall above the stairs, where strategic place in eternal brat, it is easy accomplices sprayed water to each of their passage.

"Obviously, Peter was not there, but times are different, things have changed ... I am careful what I say about him" he adds with a laugh. "The only thing I can say is that the chemistry in the group is still there, it amazes me. I feel like a honeymoon in a certain way. Maybe we hate is all in six months, but for now, we are very happy to be together. And then in addition to having been able to help Michael, these concerts have been an opportunity for us to return to this we made the last thirty years: all these songs are our heritage. It is through them that we are what we are today. We can not refuse to perform it because one of the members leave the group. Peter left the band five years ago ".

If he admits to being delighted with the announcement that morning, the Stone Roses reunion, the Manchester United quiet game when asked if New Order will return one day in the studio. "One thing at a time, sweet Jesus! We will first start with the concerts, then we'll see. If they all go as well as Brussels and Paris, we may return to the studio" answer does it, suggesting that the group may come back on stage in the coming months.

"Obviously, it's always easier when people are happy to be there than us. If the public had not been so enthusiastic, it could have been very hard, but I think we would have when same act. We would have these concerts and they would have said all to fuck off, Manchester style "he says, raised finger as a bonus. When you are told that New Order has not aged a bit ...

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linus sulanki wrote: the Red Devils

I know it's Google Translate, but that makes New Order sound like a second-tier NCAA basketball team. :laugh:

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Thank you for posting this. I remember he talked about the band having chemistry when BL had just started as well.

We enormously repeated for two concerts. We spent over two months to work. We needed to celebrate the event in our own way I think and I'm worth a hell of a hangover.

:thumb: :love:

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Housey wrote:

linus sulanki wrote: the Red Devils

I know it's Google Translate, but that makes New Order sound like a second-tier NCAA basketball team. :laugh:

Or worse a really crap manc football team :nod: .

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Charity, huh? Why couldn't they do the same for Tony Wilson, then? I didn't like this from the start, but I can understand them, BL sucked completely; going back to the studio as New Order is unacceptable, though.

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That does at least suggest they wont plaster 'New Order' all over the next Bad Loo album. But Ive been wrong before.

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Gotta agree with Barney 100%

I think most of us overdid it in Brussels!!!

:viking:

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They will mix TO2 and BL new songs to release a NO one :crazy:

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Am I alone in hoping they don't go back to the studio?

That's where it could all going horribly wrong.

The New Order 'sound' had Hooky basslines running rampant throughout, which is why I loathed most of Republic, with its distinct lack of bass. Even Electronic's eponymous debut album, which I think was easily the pinnacle of the side projects' efforts and will always be one of my most favoured albums of all time was still never as Newordery as even the worst New Order albums.

It's one thing seeing these old tracks live again, it's a major step forward them now trying to convince me that any new tracks are still the 'real deal'. Electronic vs The Other Two won't necessarily float my boat when they eventualy start to record.

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El Jarvo wrote: Am I alone in hoping they don't go back to the studio?

That's where it could all going horribly wrong.

The New Order 'sound' had Hooky basslines running rampant throughout, which is why I loathed most of Republic, with its distinct lack of bass. Even Electronic's eponymous debut album, which I think was easily the pinnacle of the side projects' efforts and will always be one of my most favoured albums of all time was still never as Newordery as even the worst New Order albums.

It's one thing seeing these old tracks live again, it's a major step forward them now trying to convince me that any new tracks are still the 'real deal'. Electronic vs The Other Two won't necessarily float my boat when they eventualy start to record.

Thats a fair point. Id be interested if they did say an album of updated versions of tracks from their back catalogue (like bush and gabriel have done). It might not be to everyones liking and might never better the original i agree but might just be refreshing to hear how current technology makes them sound.

Also if they went back to the studio and the chemistry was still there and they knocked out some new tunes of the Turn, Vicious Streak, Crystal calibre and not the Working Overtime misadventure, then again id be happy.

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NO Regret wrote: they knocked out some new tunes of the Turn, Vicious Streak, Crystal calibre

I'm sure they could come up with something nearly as good, but with no Peter Hook in the mix, it's still not gonna be the sound of 'New Order' though, is it?

And Crystal is such a monster purely down to Hooky's bass bouncing around all over it, IMO.

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El Jarvo wrote:

NO Regret wrote: they knocked out some new tunes of the Turn, Vicious Streak, Crystal calibre

I'm sure they could come up with something nearly as good, but with no Peter Hook in the mix, it's still not gonna be the sound of 'New Order' though, is it?

And Crystal is such a monster purely down to Hooky's bass bouncing around all over it, IMO.

I guess it will miss the fantastic basslines that Hooky comes up with that give NO that unique sound. Theres no getting away from that fact. Whether they try and replicate that or not, probably not.

But it is what it is. And im happy to go along with that.

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Make a new album, but please not as "New Order" - make a variation like Wire did when they were "Wir".

So everyone can decide by themselves whether they want to add it to the discography or not.

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El Jarvo wrote:

NO Regret wrote: they knocked out some new tunes of the Turn, Vicious Streak, Crystal calibre

I'm sure they could come up with something nearly as good, but with no Peter Hook in the mix, it's still not gonna be the sound of 'New Order' though, is it?

Conceivably, they might get this new chap er, Chapman to use a Clone pedal on any new material. It seems feasible, he's been playing it competently enough live so Bernard and the others may want to keep a consistency between the old and "new" New Order by keeping the bass guitar sounding similar. However, like you say it definitely won't have the same character or feeling as Hooky himself doing it and Chapman is hardly likely to tell his new boss Bernard to piss off if he feels his sound is too low in the mix :laugh:

It's been done before to a certain degree. When Hooky re-embraced "playing like New Order" for Monaco in the mid-nineties it could be said the rest of the instrumentation on those albums is very New Order. Pottsy's vocal, the electric/acoustic guitars, the keyboards etc. Don't get me wrong, that's no bad thing, they did it so well it was hard to go "they're only apeing New Order" because it was such a excellent album, Music For Pleasure. What Do You Want From Me? is easily the equal or better of many New Order singles.

Hooky's absence will be keenly felt but I'm open to hearing what they might come out with. Same with The Light really, if they wrote new material I'd buy it and give it a spin.

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NotAMod wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

NO Regret wrote: they knocked out some new tunes of the Turn, Vicious Streak, Crystal calibre

I'm sure they could come up with something nearly as good, but with no Peter Hook in the mix, it's still not gonna be the sound of 'New Order' though, is it?

Conceivably, they might get this new chap er, Chapman to use a Clone pedal on any new material. It seems feasible, he's been playing it competently enough live so Bernard and the others may want to keep a consistency between the old and "new" New Order by keeping the bass guitar sounding similar. However, like you say it definitely won't have the same character or feeling as Hooky himself doing it and Chapman is hardly likely to tell his new boss Bernard to piss off if he feels his sound is too low in the mix :laugh:

It's been done before to a certain degree. When Hooky re-embraced "playing like New Order" for Monaco in the mid-nineties it could be said the rest of the instrumentation on those albums is very New Order. Pottsy's vocal, the electric/acoustic guitars, the keyboards etc. Don't get me wrong, that's no bad thing, they did it so well it was hard to go "they're only apeing New Order" because it was such a excellent album, Music For Pleasure. What Do You Want From Me? is easily the equal or better of many New Order singles.

Hooky's absence will be keenly felt but I'm open to hearing what they might come out with. Same with The Light really, if they wrote new material I'd buy it and give it a spin.

Considering Hooky jammed out most of WFTSC, I think Chapman could do the same given enough takes. But that probably won't be their approach, and instead any new material will consist of sturdier basslines a la PCL, which was Hooky at his most concise.

Don't get me wrong, Hooky was/is great--arguably more distinctive than even Wobble or the bass player from Gang of Four (can't remember his name right now). But getting a good bass line on a new New Order record will be easy enough. And ditching the clone theory entirely might be refreshing for New Order 2012. (Imagine if Bernard still played guitar exactly like he did in Joy Division...it would be boring by now.)

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JV wrote: ditching the clone theory entirely might be refreshing for New Order 2012. (Imagine if Bernard still played guitar exactly like he did in Joy Division...it would be boring by now.)

exactly - the rest of the band evolved since 1976, year by year. every single one of them, EXCEPT Hook, changed their style over the years, for good or bad, they evolved and didn't just do the same old thing.

and let me preface this, by saying i LOVE Hook and his bass sound and melodies literally changed my life - i even picked up and played bass for many years because of his godhead melodies.

but, come on, you can't just do that same thing forever.

i am VERY curious to hear what New Order would sound like with a new bass sound that has likewise evolved, especially if they go in a more electronic direction.

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Tarbox23 wrote:

JV wrote: ditching the clone theory entirely might be refreshing for New Order 2012. (Imagine if Bernard still played guitar exactly like he did in Joy Division...it would be boring by now.)

exactly - the rest of the band evolved since 1976, year by year. every single one of them, EXCEPT Hook, changed their style over the years, for good or bad, they evolved and didn't just do the same old thing.

and let me preface this, by saying i LOVE Hook and his bass sound and melodies literally changed my life - i even picked up and played bass for many years because of his godhead melodies.

but, come on, you can't just do that same thing forever.

i am VERY curious to hear what New Order would sound like with a new bass sound that has likewise evolved, especially if they go in a more electronic direction.

I thought Hooky's best bass line off WFTSC was for Turn.

As a side note, something people forget including Hooky himself is that he wasn't actually playing that high up the fret board on most of Unknown Pleasures. His bass is just mixed louder than was typical back then. The higher note stuff became more pronounced toward Movement, before they even properly introduced sequencers with bass lines.

What happened by the time of PCL was that he stuck to the higher register almost uniformly. Hence the bass synth on Love Vigilantes, for example. But I don't think Hooky was inherently pushed toward the lead lines because Bernard/Steve were programming synth bass lines. I think it was volitional for him, and what became his problem eventually was learning when to scale back. And yes, there are some songs where Hooky is too damn busy that it's no longer interesting.

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joe davola wrote: Make a new album, but please not as "New Order" - make a variation like Wire did when they were "Wir".

So everyone can decide by themselves whether they want to add it to the discography or not.

So, on that idea, they will have to re-name themselves Nw Ordr.

After all, Prml Scrm did it earlier didn't they??

:p :thumb:

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I think that re-recording old songs is almost an admission that you have run out of ideas,the Kate Bush album released recently for example seemed a pretty pointless exercise to me and was given lukewarm reviews and I would bet didn't shift many units. My hope is that New Order do record new songs but don't waste vast amounts of money in the process or hire more than one producer (as on Sirens),although there is little chance of the former happening. Lets see them prove that they are still creative and have something to offer apart from a handful of live gigs a year until they reach pension age.

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Tarbox23 wrote:

exactly - the rest of the band evolved since 1976, year by year. every single one of them, EXCEPT Hook, changed their style over the years, for good or bad, they evolved and didn't just do the same old thing.

and let me preface this, by saying i LOVE Hook and his bass sound and melodies literally changed my life - i even picked up and played bass for many years because of his godhead melodies.

but, come on, you can't just do that same thing forever.

i am VERY curious to hear what New Order would sound like with a new bass sound that has likewise evolved, especially if they go in a more electronic direction.

That's a bit harsh, hooky has said in interviews he'd always suggest trying something new and Bernard would always say no, your sound is exactly right, though he did try to be different on a few tracks, EGG has very staccato notes, sub culture has a walking bass line etc, but when you have a winning sound and style why change?

Having said that, I would like to hear new stuff from the band, but as suggested above, it would be better to do it under another name, maybe bad loo featuring Gillian Gilbert!

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I honestly don't know what to think any more... Excited about the prospect of the charidee gigs, but then reality intervened (i.e. I couldn't swing going), along with all the bickering, and I sort of convinced myself it wasn't worth getting hopeful for... Now it seems everyone had a marvellous time and there are some promising signs, for future live shows at least... So now we can start dreaming and plotting about what may or may not happen in a studio at some point some time and choosing exactly what sort of sound we'd like them to adopt... One thing I have realised recently is that I have initially raved about most things NO-related over the last 20 odd years, only to come to the conclusion that little of it was really all that good... Apart from Republic, which was a bit of disappointment when it first came out, but has grown significantly in my estimation over the years... So I'm sceptical/reticent about the prospect of new material... That said, a live date somewhere relatively nearby would be most welcome...

Snorri xxx

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Did you ever see BL? The gigs were well supported and went down well with the audiences.I don't get the unaccepatble stuff, Bernard was always the driving force behind the band and therefore will be in this latest line up. Also the comment re BL plus gillian - fuck off, it's NO minus Peter Hook and looking at the crowd reaction in both Brussels and Paris it's clear that they are happy to see the band in its latest guise.

As i have said in another post I admire Peters contribution over the years and the ideal would be that he was still around, however the feedback from the gigs is clear - it's still NO without him and hopefully if he ever does return it will be with less of an ego!

Boring Being wrote: Charity, huh? Why couldn't they do the same for Tony Wilson, then? I didn't like this from the start, but I can understand them, BL sucked completely; going back to the studio as New Order is unacceptable, though.

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Surface wrote: Did you ever see BL? The gigs were well supported and went down well with the audiences.I don't get the unaccepatble stuff, Bernard was always the driving force behind the band and therefore will be in this latest line up. Also the comment re BL plus gillian - fuck off, it's NO minus Peter Hook and looking at the crowd reaction in both Brussels and Paris it's clear that they are happy to see the band in its latest guise.

As i have said in another post I admire Peters contribution over the years and the ideal would be that he was still around, however the feedback from the gigs is clear - it's still NO without him and hopefully if he ever does return it will be with less of an ego!

Boring Being wrote: Charity, huh? Why couldn't they do the same for Tony Wilson, then? I didn't like this from the start, but I can understand them, BL sucked completely; going back to the studio as New Order is unacceptable, though.

New Order without Hooky will never be the same. It's a bit sad that he left but life goes on. I agree that Bernard is the most talentous member of the band in the studio but live Hooky is their heart :bow:

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Quote "....exactly - the rest of the band evolved since 1976, year by year. every single one of them, EXCEPT Hook, changed their style over the years, for good or bad, they evolved and didn't just do the same old thing....." end quote.

:scratch: So you don't think Hookys' sound or style changed at all from Movement to WFTSC??!! It's even different on PC&L.Admittedly tho',over the last 10 years or so,everything does sound the same,there's been nothing as fresh or vital from him in a long time,all I get from them now is the sound,and I fookin' love the guy:\ohwell:

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So does that mean that we are going to get 2 albums from New Order

1 - the left overs from WFTSC sessions and the whole instrumentals from the control soundtrack.

2 - The new stuff that they are working the NEW New Order group.

This was just a thought in my mind.

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Big Mouth Julio wrote: I agree that Bernard is the most talentous member of the band in the studio but live Hooky is their heart :bow:

Also, as talented as Bernard is, the Bad Look album proved that being a whizz in the studio isnt enough to make a really good record.

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Gene wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote: I agree that Bernard is the most talentous member of the band in the studio but live Hooky is their heart :bow:

Also, as talented as Bernard is, the Bad Look album proved that being a whizz in the studio isnt enough to make a really good record.

Theres still life in the old dog yet and a classic song or 2 to come i feel.

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any new material will suit me. dont care whos in the band or not couldnt care who produces it id like to hear a few hey now. whatya's and come ons in there too

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Gene wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote: I agree that Bernard is the most talentous member of the band in the studio but live Hooky is their heart :bow:

Also, as talented as Bernard is, the Bad Look album proved that being a whizz in the studio isnt enough to make a really good record.

True, but I thought that the BL record had 7 really solid songs that I still play quite a bit.

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