Bernard Sumner "we may return to the studio"

cuddles wrote: any new material will suit me. dont care whos in the band or not couldnt care who produces it id like to hear a few hey now. whatya's and come ons in there too

agreed. heres to some new stuff

Gene wrote: Also, as talented as Bernard is, the Bad Look album proved that being a whizz in the studio isnt enough to make a really good record.

It was a pretty good record. Not an instant classic, not as good as New Order, but the songs were well-written, well-produced, and nothing to be ashamed about.

It was certainly better than the 2nd Electronic LP, and easily better than the Peter Hook lp that came out last year (can't even remember the name of it, was how bad it was...)

Sumner knows how to make good records.

"Running out of luck" was as good as anything they have produced since factory in my opinion.

effect return wrote: "Running out of luck" was as good as anything they have produced since factory in my opinion.

Agreed, and I think that Sink or Swim, This is Home, Summer Days, and Poisonous Intent were stellar too. PI had a few dodgy lyrics combined with a few really good lyrics, but the music was fantastic, I love how synth have and dancetastic it was.

Zachery Starkey wrote:

effect return wrote: "Running out of luck" was as good as anything they have produced since factory in my opinion.

Agreed, and I think that Sink or Swim, This is Home, Summer Days, and Poisonous Intent were stellar too. PI had a few dodgy lyrics combined with a few really good lyrics, but the music was fantastic, I love how synth have and dancetastic it was.

Yes to both assertions.

I would add (at least) "Runaway" to this list.

All of which adds up to: a classic album, in my opinion.

Of course, the second Electronic LP is my favorite New Order-related album of them all.

Anyway, for sure looking forward to whatever Barney has to deliver in the future. He is a genius.

John Demetry wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote:

effect return wrote: "Running out of luck" was as good as anything they have produced since factory in my opinion.

Agreed, and I think that Sink or Swim, This is Home, Summer Days, and Poisonous Intent were stellar too. PI had a few dodgy lyrics combined with a few really good lyrics, but the music was fantastic, I love how synth have and dancetastic it was.

Yes to both assertions.

I would add (at least) "Runaway" to this list.

All of which adds up to: a classic album, in my opinion.

Runaway is fantastic. And the other songs you guys listed, just brilliant pop music that is totally underappreciated.

It gives me hope, to know that in his 50s, Sumner has still got it, and I can't wait to hear new New Order out of him that is a collaboration with Stephen and Gillian.

I am a huge Hooky fan, but am ok with him taking a break here, and hearing what the other three can brew up.

NotAMod wrote:

Tarbox23 wrote: I am a huge Hooky fan, but am ok with him taking a break here, and hearing what the other three can brew up.

A "break" that you're "ok with"?

Wow, that's the most diplomatic way I've heard it all described.

Yes, Hooky's gone off for a coffee and a few biscuits while the others have a crack at it

No doubt he'll be back in 5.

Years.

Zachery Starkey wrote:

effect return wrote: "Running out of luck" was as good as anything they have produced since factory in my opinion.

Agreed, and I think that Sink or Swim, This is Home, Summer Days, and Poisonous Intent were stellar too. PI had a few dodgy lyrics combined with a few really good lyrics, but the music was fantastic, I love how synth have and dancetastic it was.

Yeah i definitely thought that as "debut" albums go it was one of the better ones from recent times.

Running out of luck seemed like a sort of "leave me alone" type song that they havent done in a long time in my view. nicely done.

I feel that they do their best work when they dont mess about too long in the studio.

linus sulanki wrote: So does that mean that we are going to get 2 albums from New Order

1 - the left overs from WFTSC sessions and the whole instrumentals from the control soundtrack.

2 - The new stuff that they are working the NEW New Order group.

This was just a thought in my mind.

Don't be so bloody fucking ridiculous.

effect return wrote:

Running out of luck seemed like a sort of "leave me alone" type song that they havent done in a long time in my view. nicely done.

Hang on a minute son, running out of luck is a decent track but it's got nothing on the masterpiece from PC&L. In a completely different league.

new bad lieutenant songs are likely near completion. the last 14 were great. new new order songs may take another year or so. the 2005 unreleased songs will be greatly appreciated, as i have not heard a bad song yet , as evidenced by hellbent and the 150 songs guided by bernard, in the last 30 years. i like working overtime , and bl, and i never even noticed or cared that hook was missing from 49 electronic songs, or the ones by blank and jones, 808, hot chip ,or bl . 60 songs without hook that are great. it is bernard sumner's band and has been for thirty years. and hooky is not needed.

Not sure what Bad Loo record others were playing, but the album was far from stellar... more like shite. Comparing it to Elec's 2nd album does no good today (it was great when it came out, but hasn't stood the test of time).

Barney doesn't want to admit, as don't many here, that he NEEDS Hook, just as much as Hooky needs him to make a good album... apart they produce shite...

I predict worse shite if they produce another NO album without Hooky... i doubt I'd purchase it.

(and before anyone goes off about Elec's 1st album or Monaco, those didn't hit too high on the charts for a reason... only fans bought their stuff... and while I enjoy probably side projects as much as anyone else on here, all the side projects pale in comparison to JD or NO).

keepitcoming wrote: new bad lieutenant songs are likely near completion. the last 14 were great. new new order songs may take another year or so. the 2005 unreleased songs will be greatly appreciated, as i have not heard a bad song yet , as evidenced by hellbent and the 150 songs guided by bernard, in the last 30 years. i like working overtime , and bl, and i never even noticed or cared that hook was missing from 49 electronic songs, or the ones by blank and jones, 808, hot chip ,or bl . 60 songs without hook that are great. it is bernard sumner's band and has been for thirty years. and hooky is not needed.

Have you read Barney's Angels manifesto lately?

I scratch my head at the statements that everything Barney has released post Factory is absolute greatness... actually some of it is rather embarrassing, while still some good songs, or at least some potential good songs with Bad Lieu. Questionable music choices, awful backing vocals, and putting himself out there as the standard stereotypical singer songwriter which is not his strength. It is hard to tell how much each band member adds to New Order, but it seems pretty obvious that they are better together than separate. It is no fluke that Bad Lieu, Freebass, and the last Electronic, Monaco, and Other Two albums received almost no attention beyond some of the core fan base.

For a new New Order album, Bernard needs input from others at this stage in his career. Maybe Stuart Price could be involved, who knows.

EdelBrock wrote:

I predict worse shite if they produce another NO album without Hooky... i doubt I'd purchase it.

File that alongside your prediction that NO would announce their split after the 2 Shamberg shows, will we?

Skullcrushed wrote:

effect return wrote:

Running out of luck seemed like a sort of "leave me alone" type song that they havent done in a long time in my view. nicely done.

Hang on a minute son, running out of luck is a decent track but it's got nothing on the masterpiece from PC&L. In a completely different league.

I never compared them as i personally think leave me alone is better but there is similarities in the song type and structure.

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keepitcoming wrote: new bad lieutenant songs are likely near completion. the last 14 were great. new new order songs may take another year or so. the 2005 unreleased songs will be greatly appreciated, as i have not heard a bad song yet , as evidenced by hellbent and the 150 songs guided by bernard, in the last 30 years. i like working overtime , and bl, and i never even noticed or cared that hook was missing from 49 electronic songs, or the ones by blank and jones, 808, hot chip ,or bl . 60 songs without hook that are great. it is bernard sumner's band and has been for thirty years. and hooky is not needed.

Have you read Barney's Angels manifesto lately?

It's been years since I had read such bullshit even written by myself

CTB wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

I predict worse shite if they produce another NO album without Hooky... i doubt I'd purchase it.

File that alongside your prediction that NO would announce their split after the 2 Shamberg shows, will we?

A couple added shows doesn't make the new NO permanent... but at the same time I figured Barney had a bit more sense than to think of recording new music and labeling it NO without Hooky (considering Bad Loo was already in motion, especially with a second record in the works, and the member list is essentially Bad Loo).

Reckon your wrong on this. I think It is permanent and that there will be new material

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CTB wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

I predict worse shite if they produce another NO album without Hooky... i doubt I'd purchase it.

File that alongside your prediction that NO would announce their split after the 2 Shamberg shows, will we?

A couple added shows doesn't make the new NO permanent... but at the same time I figured Barney had a bit more sense than to think of recording new music and labeling it NO without Hooky (considering Bad Loo was already in motion, especially with a second record in the works, and the member list is essentially Bad Loo).

NotAMod wrote:

"Electronic" reached #2 on the UK albums chart and went Gold (100,000 copies) the same year. Both "Raise The Pressure" and "Twisted Tenderness" entered the top 10 in their first week of general release. The "Get The Message" single was #1 in the US Modern Rock chart at the time.

"Music For Pleasure" was #11 in the UK albums chart and sold over hundreds of thousands of copies including in the USA (I think the final amount was over 500,000 worldwide). The two first singles from the album What Do You Want From Me? and Sweet Lips were top 20 hits in the UK at the time and received a great deal of airplay and favourable reviews.

A new NO album without Hooky would be the most electronic ever by them. Even more than Republic!

Big Mouth Julio wrote: A new NO album without Hooky would be the most electronic ever by them. Even more than Republic!

Of course, what with there being three guitarists in the band

CTB wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote: A new NO album without Hooky would be the most electronic ever by them. Even more than Republic!

Of course, what with there being three guitarists in the band

None of them has to play guitar though, they're all comfortable behind synths (or just singing). I feel a mainstream dance album coming, closest to Republic, guitars only decorative.

Julijana Zitnjak wrote:

CTB wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote: A new NO album without Hooky would be the most electronic ever by them. Even more than Republic!

Of course, what with there being three guitarists in the band

None of them has to play guitar though, they're all comfortable behind synths (or just singing). I feel a mainstream dance album coming, closest to Republic, guitars only decorative.

I think that would sound nice if it did happen, IMO.

Phil is comfortable behind a synth, you think? I don't think he hates it, but he definitely appears to enjoy guitar more to me - he's a guitarist who plays occasional keyboards.

My intent was to point out that if they do this, then the absence of Peter Hook doesn't necessarily mean an electro sound, they are at their best when they blend guitars and synths - no decorations required.

NotAMod wrote:

EdelBrock wrote: and before anyone goes off about Elec's 1st album or Monaco, those didn't hit too high on the charts for a reason...

Bollocks.

"Electronic" reached #2 on the UK albums chart and went Gold (100,000 copies) the same year. Both "Raise The Pressure" and "Twisted Tenderness" entered the top 10 in their respective first weeks of general release. The "Get The Message" single was #1 in the US Modern Rock Chart of the time.

"Music For Pleasure" reached #11 in the UK albums chart and sold hundreds of thousands of copies including in the USA (I think the final amount was over 500,000 worldwide). The two initial singles off the album "What Do You Want From Me?" and "Sweet Lips" were top 20 hits in the UK at the time and received a great deal of airplay and favourable reviews.

"Didn't hit too high on the charts"

I stand corrected... but at the same time, never heard any of them played on the radio, during a time when I listened to the radio a lot, and to radio stations that were quite responsible for making Brit bands big in the US (91X and KROQ).... so usually played on those stations way before ever played on any other station.

CTB wrote: Phil is comfortable behind a synth, you think? I don't think he hates it, but he definitely appears to enjoy guitar more to me - he's a guitarist who plays occasional keyboards.

My intent was to point out that if they do this, then the absence of Peter Hook doesn't necessarily mean an electro sound, they are at their best when they blend guitars and synths - no decorations required.

I'm actually in the minority remaining here that prefers guitary New Order, but from I've managed to pick up in Barney's recent interviews - colaborations with Westbam and Stuart Price, rejection of early work, remixed versions live, and Barney saying the second BL album was going to be more synth orientated - I bet they'll go all out dancey, not without guitars but not with them as a driving force. Don't really know how much input Phil wil have anyway, now that Marion are reforming?