Peter Hook: 'I'm not proud of the way New Order split up'

Genetic wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote:

Today's alleged revelations re: withdrawing his permission to release the 'Lost Sirens' certainly has no apologetic feel to it.

And, equally, it only adds to the voices shouting that he's a money grabbing tosser.

To be fair, he will lose a lot of money by doing this. Obviously dropping the album before Xmas won't help, but the knock on effects of declining numbers going to his other projects will bite, as even the most ardent fans will switch off.

What we are waiting for I guess is his reasons for doing so, which could possibly be that the songs are inferior, and he doesn't want to unleash them on the fans blah blah blah.

Cue the Light's Lost Sirens Tour 2012.

James Thomas wrote:

Tarbox23 wrote: New Order will realize they can make more money with him back in the band, and so they will let him back, especially if doing so allows them to release Lost Sirens.

March 2012.

money always wins out over spite.

Deluded, the remaining three will probably make more as it currently stands.

Absolutely. When hell freezes over i suspect.

I expect he'll be touring the "18th Anniversary of The Rest of New Order" in 2013, performing the whole album in full - would be interesting to try to hear him sing the 'backwards vocals' on the Dave Clarke mix of EGG.

You lot are all so weak and gullible that you ought to know what to do when somebody you formerly worshipped (or indeed still worship) pulls off a stunt like this.

Simply hit them where it hurts and refrain from buying their product - fuck 'em off.

See how they like it.

Easy peasy, y'know?

But most of you can't can you?

Cos your undying devotion for all things New Order is so all-encompassing it has made you blind.

:p

Have never bought owt by the light, have they actually released anything? i don't even know. never seen em live and have no intention of

oh and i never bought Freebass' album either

Nothing by Freebass (not even any d/l's)

Nothing by The Light.

Nothing by Bad Lieutenant.

It just never interested me.

Only because what I heard on Youtube wasn't exactly that earth shattering.

What makes me think that Lost Sirens, when it finally gets issued, will be anything short of underwhelming likewise? (e.g. downloaded Hellbent back whenever, and it's pretty substandard as it is - no surprises there!)

:p

The normal answer from Camp Hook is "You don't have to buy tickets!"

Which I don't. Unless he plays my local church (not impossible and only 6 minutes walk from my house) I'm not going out of my way to see Hooky And The Boys do songs written four years before my wife was born.

I bought the Bad Lieutenant album and I like it. I bought the Light's live album. That's OK, at best, as far as tribute bands go. Freebass? Piffle with a rubbish singer. The instrumental album is OK.

I'm not bothering with the CD of twelvety acapella Rowetta tracks of her singing Atmosphere.

I understand the guy has to make a living. But if you haven't made yourself relatively financially secure after 30 years in the business and playing to 10-20,000 a people a night for a decade, your accountant needs a serious talking to.

EDIT : After all, Reading 98 was £250k for one show. In 1993, the London deal included £1m backpaid royalties (didn't it?).

mark reed wrote: The normal answer from Camp Hook is "You don't have to buy tickets!"

Which I don't. Unless he plays my local church (not impossible and only 6 minutes walk from my house) I'm not going out of my way to see Hooky And The Boys do songs written four years before my wife was born.

I bought the Bad Lieutenant album and I like it. I bought the Light's live album. That's OK, at best, as far as tribute bands go. Freebass? Piffle with a rubbish singer. The instrumental album is OK.

I'm not bothering with the CD of twelvety acapella Rowetta tracks of her singing Atmosphere.

I understand the guy has to make a living. But if you haven't made yourself relatively financially secure after 30 years in the business and playing to 10-20,000 a people a night for a decade, your accountant needs a serious talking to.

EDIT : After all, Reading 98 was £250k for one show. In 1993, the London deal included £1m backpaid royalties (didn't it?).

Well in fairness to hooky he's had a couple of divorces, a failed nightclub that took a pile of money and other personal issues which are none of our business. All that money would be divided by 4 as well on top of whatever rob took (10 percent likely). Ill admit people are living on a lot less and are working a lot harder for their money but i doubt that he is awash with cash, it would hopefully explain his tactless money grabbing now.

I would also guess that the poorly received Freebass project left Hooky out of pocket (as probably documented somewhere here) and financially The Light is a safer bet but there surely is a time limit to that unless he does intend carrying it over to Movement..

cranelane wrote: I would also guess that the poorly received Freebass project left Hooky out of pocket (as probably documented somewhere here) and financially The Light is a safer bet but there surely is a time limit to that unless he does intend carrying it over to Movement..

Ultimately he should have reformed Monaco ,have mani and andy rourke (along with other people he's had gigs with or dj sets with) guest on a new album and include joy division/new order songs in any new live set. His management deserve a well aimed kick but i suppose the buck stops with him at the end of the day.

I personally would wonder if a musician and previous producer such as hooky would need to spend much on a studio in this day and age, apart from the mastering engineer people are churning out professional tracks out of garages these days.

cranelane wrote: I would also guess that the poorly received Freebass project left Hooky out of pocket (as probably documented somewhere here) and financially The Light is a safer bet but there surely is a time limit to that unless he does intend carrying it over to Movement..

I would like to see them playing Movement live

effect return wrote: Ill admit people are living on a lot less and are working a lot harder for their money but i doubt that he is awash with cash, it would hopefully explain his tactless money grabbing now.

He may not be awash with cash by pop-star standards, but my understanding is that he lives very, very comfortably. That interview posted a while back about his travel habits (a good read, by the way) made that pretty clear.

It's ironic to consider now in hindsight how happy Hooky was when he was in Monaco - he really did come across as relatively carefree and at ease - doing what he loved, outside of the usual democratic headache that is/was new Order, with fellow partner-in-crime and buddy Pottsy sharing the limelight, coming up with THOSE basslines and the rest, doing a very passable - and indeed listenable - facsimile of prime NO, without worrying about legal shit and the rest.

Seeing them live a few times between 1997-1999 doing [free] gigs here and there in and around Manchester was pretty enjoyable too.....he seemed relaxed and genuinely approachable......

So quite why he had to call time on that, freeing Pottsy to ply his trade elsewhere/solo, is a bit of a mystery.

I would even go so far as to say that Hooky's time with Monaco counts as probably his happiest of all.

Unless somebody somewhere knows otherwise.....

cranelane wrote: I would also guess that the poorly received Freebass project left Hooky out of pocket (as probably documented somewhere here) and financially The Light is a safer bet but there surely is a time limit to that unless he does intend carrying it over to Movement..

I dunno... the traveling Joy Division tribute probably will have the most interest, as far as decent crowds. Hooky can hit different cities. Joy Division creates a buzz. Nobody under the age of 45 saw Joy Division live.

Now a Movement tour in the same cities Hooky has hit before... will as many be willing to buy tickets? The novelty is gone, and there is another New Order tribute band out there now with the actual New Order vocalist.

In hindsight doesn't it appear obvious that Freebass had got little interest, thou I suppose Hooky could have actually sold some CDs at the shows. Neither Hooky nor Bernard want to be playing half full smaller venues at this stage in their careers... would you?

effect return wrote:

cranelane wrote: I would also guess that the poorly received Freebass project left Hooky out of pocket (as probably documented somewhere here) and financially The Light is a safer bet but there surely is a time limit to that unless he does intend carrying it over to Movement..

Ultimately he should have reformed Monaco ,have mani and andy rourke (along with other people he's had gigs with or dj sets with) guest on a new album and include joy division/new order songs in any new live set. His management deserve a well aimed kick but i suppose the buck stops with him at the end of the day.

I personally would wonder if a musician and previous producer such as hooky would need to spend much on a studio in this day and age, apart from the mastering engineer people are churning out professional tracks out of garages these days.

After all, whatever you think of Bad Lieutenant musically, they did manage to record their album without going to a very expensive studio.

From this interview:

A lot of the comments on Brooklyn Vegan were, “Oh god, he must be skint. He must need the money to tour America.” But yet the last tour we did of America I actually had to go back home hand in my pocket to fund it, and I fully expect to be doing that this time. But the thing is, it comes down to that fact that what the hell are you supposed to do with your life when you’ve done what I’ve done for 34 years.

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2011/09/06/peter-hook-interview-joy-division-closer-unknown-pleasures-tour/

0_o wrote:

I dunno... the traveling Joy Division tribute probably will have the most interest, as far as decent crowds. Hooky can hit different cities. Joy Division creates a buzz. Nobody under the age of 45 saw Joy Division live.

Doubt it. He's toured it to death album by album. Don't see him being invited to headline Glastonbury like Screamadelica did. Doesn't explain why he seems to be constantly scratching around for our cash either.

0_o wrote: there is another New Order tribute band out there now with the actual New Order vocalist.Neither Hooky nor Bernard want to be playing half full smaller venues at this stage in their careers... would you?

It's not a tribute. It's New order without Hooky. Wake up. And they are filling venues, selling out in nine minutes. Certainly at a much faster rate than say 6-7 years ago. Wake up, bell-end.

Very few bands (that have been around a long time) have the original line-up - U2 are about the only ones I can think of who continue making albums...

Nick King wrote: Very few bands (that have been around a long time) have the original line-up - U2 are about the only ones I can think of who continue making albums...

Yeah but they are simple c___s that tap into similarly minded people. The world will always be full of simple c___s.

NotAMod wrote:

effect return wrote: Ultimately he should have reformed Monaco ,have mani and andy rourke (along with other people he's had gigs with or dj sets with) guest on a new album and include joy division/new order songs in any new live set.

Funny you should say that because The Light basically are late-period Monaco minus David Potts but with Hook's son on board instead. Besides, Potts might not have been interested in a reunion. I'm not saying that's true but it's certainly a possibility that he might have said no. Potts was a key driving force in what Monaco were (he chose the band name) as well as how the songs were created. Reforming Monaco was perhaps not an option.

It may not have been possible but it would have saved him a lot of grief if he had got potts on board at the beginning, probably would have more lucrative as well.Id have suspected that maybe potts didnt want to do the whole nostalgia thing but he has played with hook recently, all speculation really.

effect return wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

effect return wrote: Ultimately he should have reformed Monaco ,have mani and andy rourke (along with other people he's had gigs with or dj sets with) guest on a new album and include joy division/new order songs in any new live set.

Funny you should say that because The Light basically are late-period Monaco minus David Potts but with Hook's son on board instead. Besides, Potts might not have been interested in a reunion. I'm not saying that's true but it's certainly a possibility that he might have said no. Potts was a key driving force in what Monaco were (he chose the band name) as well as how the songs were created. Reforming Monaco was perhaps not an option.

It may not have been possible but it would have saved him a lot of grief if he had got potts on board at the beginning, probably would have more lucrative as well.Id have suspected that maybe potts didnt want to do the whole nostalgia thing but he has played with hook recently, all speculation really.

Why can't the Light come out and make their own music if they want? The possibility always exists...

EdelBrock wrote:

Why can't the Light come out and make their own music if they want? The possibility always exists...

If Hooky himself is reluctant about it, then the possibility of that would be low, wouldn't it?

For example...from this interview: http://www.peek-a-boo-magazine.be/en/interviews/peter-hook-the-light/

You mentioned already in other interviews that you want to record new material with The Light, have you already recorded some demos of new songs? Not yet. The band have some ideas but I am reluctant because you dont sell records and it's very hard to recoup the expense of recording.

From here: http://eburban.com/feature/id.10088/title.closer-to-peter-hook-of-joy-division-in-a-ny-minute-interview

The Light, my current band, are ready to do new stuff and be a proper band but I don’t know if I am. It becomes very tricky when you have such a legacy to live up to and like I say, there’s a lot going on at moment.

Burt Burterson wrote:

Nick King wrote: Very few bands (that have been around a long time) have the original line-up - U2 are about the only ones I can think of who continue making albums...

Yeah but they are simple c___s that tap into similarly minded people. The world will always be full of simple c___s.

For all the talk about money-grabbing, I think you can point to that particular bunch of paddies as a group of men who *really* love money. Bernard and Peter will fall out and cut their financial snouts off to spite their face simply because they don't like each other's aftershave*. U2, on the other hand, *must* loathe each other after all these years - but they stick it out because they like bathing in Cristal twice a day and having 12-year-old Slovenian boys delivered to their mansions by express FedEx helicopter delivery.

(* - NB pedants - this is a metaphor. I realise Bernard hasn't started shaving yet and that Hooky hasn't ever bothered to shave. Thanks.)

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

(* - NB pedants - this is a metaphor. I realise Bernard hasn't started shaving yet and that Hooky hasn't ever bothered to shave. Thanks.)

effect return wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

effect return wrote: Ultimately he should have reformed Monaco ,have mani and andy rourke (along with other people he's had gigs with or dj sets with) guest on a new album and include joy division/new order songs in any new live set.

Funny you should say that because The Light basically are late-period Monaco minus David Potts but with Hook's son on board instead. Besides, Potts might not have been interested in a reunion. I'm not saying that's true but it's certainly a possibility that he might have said no. Potts was a key driving force in what Monaco were (he chose the band name) as well as how the songs were created. Reforming Monaco was perhaps not an option.

It may not have been possible but it would have saved him a lot of grief if he had got potts on board at the beginning, probably would have more lucrative as well.Id have suspected that maybe potts didnt want to do the whole nostalgia thing but he has played with hook recently, all speculation really.

You've got the message m8

If everything is correct about the Sirens being blocked and all the other stuff he has said recently about Gillian etc, I don't think I could stomach the sight of him with New Order again.

I used to have a lot of respect for him but not anymore!

Housey wrote:

effect return wrote: Ill admit people are living on a lot less and are working a lot harder for their money but i doubt that he is awash with cash, it would hopefully explain his tactless money grabbing now.

He may not be awash with cash by pop-star standards, but my understanding is that he lives very, very comfortably. That interview posted a while back about his travel habits (a good read, by the way) made that pretty clear.

And what exactly is 'your understanding'? How do you know that he lives 'very,very comfortably'? All these people presuming that ANYBODY in New Order made a packet and are set up for life are just plain wrong. And that's not based on me being privvy to any knowledge beyond what is already out there in the public domain; failed clubs, failed pubs, poor investments, a record label that went bust, divorces, a lack of touring revenue and the complete collapse in record sales in the last ten years all take their toll. Big houses, big cars, big yachts etc are usually accompanied by big mortgages and big finance deals that want re-paying. Don't be fooled.

I think it's a bit rich (excuse the pun) and very rude for anyone to get so uptight and vent so much anger about how another person who they don't even know decides to go about earning a living. They're just guys in a band you like. You don't know them. And, at the end of the day, they don't owe you fuck all.