Peter Hook: 'I'm not proud of the way New Order split up'

GlasVegas wrote: And what exactly is 'your understanding'? How do you know that he lives 'very,very comfortably'? All these people presuming that ANYBODY in New Order made a packet and are set up for life are just plain wrong. And that's not based on me being privvy to any knowledge beyond what is already out there in the public domain; failed clubs, failed pubs, poor investments, a record label that went bust, divorces, a lack of touring revenue and the complete collapse in record sales in the last ten years all take their toll. Big houses, big cars, big yachts etc are usually accompanied by big mortgages and big finance deals that want re-paying. Don't be fooled.

I care about as much about Hooky's financial problems as he does about mine.

I think it's a bit rich (excuse the pun) and very rude for anyone to get so uptight and vent so much anger about how another person who they don't even know decides to go about earning a living. They're just guys in a band you like. You don't know them. And, at the end of the day, they don't owe you fuck all.

No, except when they then want me to buy what they're selling.

leather_girl wrote:

EdelBrock wrote:

Why can't the Light come out and make their own music if they want? The possibility always exists...

If Hooky himself is reluctant about it, then the possibility of that would be low, wouldn't it?

For example...from this interview: http://www.peek-a-boo-magazine.be/en/interviews/peter-hook-the-light/

You mentioned already in other interviews that you want to record new material with The Light, have you already recorded some demos of new songs? Not yet. The band have some ideas but I am reluctant because you dont sell records and it's very hard to recoup the expense of recording.

From here: http://eburban.com/feature/id.10088/title.closer-to-peter-hook-of-joy-division-in-a-ny-minute-interview

The Light, my current band, are ready to do new stuff and be a proper band but I don’t know if I am. It becomes very tricky when you have such a legacy to live up to and like I say, there’s a lot going on at moment.

You could say that hooky is a victim of his own success in a way because there is profit to be made from the records even now, but someone of his fame and musical stature cant really be seen to be cutting costs like a new band on the scene and still come out of it without be perceived to be miserable with the cash. The legacy he refers to.

So, by his own words, The Light want to be a "proper" band and make stuff, and Hooky would rather have them not be a "proper" band? Not good form.

I think, on the basis of what's happening here, is that plenty of hardcore nuttahs who care neough to post here are a bit bored of the HookyJoyDivShow going round the world.

GlasVegas wrote:

Housey wrote:

effect return wrote: Ill admit people are living on a lot less and are working a lot harder for their money but i doubt that he is awash with cash, it would hopefully explain his tactless money grabbing now.

He may not be awash with cash by pop-star standards, but my understanding is that he lives very, very comfortably. That interview posted a while back about his travel habits (a good read, by the way) made that pretty clear.

And what exactly is 'your understanding'? How do you know that he lives 'very,very comfortably'? All these people presuming that ANYBODY in New Order made a packet and are set up for life are just plain wrong. And that's not based on me being privvy to any knowledge beyond what is already out there in the public domain; failed clubs, failed pubs, poor investments, a record label that went bust, divorces, a lack of touring revenue and the complete collapse in record sales in the last ten years all take their toll. Big houses, big cars, big yachts etc are usually accompanied by big mortgages and big finance deals that want re-paying. Don't be fooled.

I think it's a bit rich (excuse the pun) and very rude for anyone to get so uptight and vent so much anger about how another person who they don't even know decides to go about earning a living. They're just guys in a band you like. You don't know them. And, at the end of the day, they don't owe you fuck all.

So.... how much did they get for Reading 1998? £250,000 was what I heard.

And ... how much did they get for signing to London? £1,000,000 was what I heard. That's not a bad payday.

Enough to buy a decent house and secure yourself financially at 1993 prices.

Nick King wrote: Very few bands (that have been around a long time) have the original line-up - U2 are about the only ones I can think of who continue making albums...

I would wager that - regardless of stable line ups -VERY FEW BANDS would ever want to be quite as execrable as UPoo.

Although, of course, there are several contenders: Coldplay being one for starters.

Clayhead Liberation Faction wrote:

Burt Burterson wrote:

Nick King wrote: Very few bands (that have been around a long time) have the original line-up - U2 are about the only ones I can think of who continue making albums...

Yeah but they are simple c___s that tap into similarly minded people. The world will always be full of simple c___s.

For all the talk about money-grabbing, I think you can point to that particular bunch of paddies as a group of men who *really* love money. Bernard and Peter will fall out and cut their financial snouts off to spite their face simply because they don't like each other's aftershave*. U2, on the other hand, *must* loathe each other after all these years - but they stick it out because they like bathing in Cristal twice a day and having 12-year-old Slovenian boys delivered to their mansions by express FedEx helicopter delivery.

(* - NB pedants - this is a metaphor. I realise Bernard hasn't started shaving yet and that Hooky hasn't ever bothered to shave. Thanks.)

Bono tells journalists at his L.A mansion that he prefers to be called a mick rather than a paddy.

Seriously though, i heard that u2 donated 5 million pound to schools in ireland for musical education in the recent past while new order donated millions to factory and the hacienda for musical education closer to home.A lot more in common than people think.

mark reed wrote:

GlasVegas wrote:

Housey wrote:

effect return wrote: Ill admit people are living on a lot less and are working a lot harder for their money but i doubt that he is awash with cash, it would hopefully explain his tactless money grabbing now.

He may not be awash with cash by pop-star standards, but my understanding is that he lives very, very comfortably. That interview posted a while back about his travel habits (a good read, by the way) made that pretty clear.

And what exactly is 'your understanding'? How do you know that he lives 'very,very comfortably'? All these people presuming that ANYBODY in New Order made a packet and are set up for life are just plain wrong. And that's not based on me being privvy to any knowledge beyond what is already out there in the public domain; failed clubs, failed pubs, poor investments, a record label that went bust, divorces, a lack of touring revenue and the complete collapse in record sales in the last ten years all take their toll. Big houses, big cars, big yachts etc are usually accompanied by big mortgages and big finance deals that want re-paying. Don't be fooled.

I think it's a bit rich (excuse the pun) and very rude for anyone to get so uptight and vent so much anger about how another person who they don't even know decides to go about earning a living. They're just guys in a band you like. You don't know them. And, at the end of the day, they don't owe you fuck all.

So.... how much did they get for Reading 1998? £250,000 was what I heard.

And ... how much did they get for signing to London? £1,000,000 was what I heard. That's not a bad payday.

Enough to buy a decent house and secure yourself financially at 1993 prices.

And as I have posted before - they have houses and cars that a number of us could probably never afford, ie big places in Alderley Edge and Rainrow. Looks like the 4 original members invested well. But good luck to them, they lost god knows what in years gone by and have worked hard for what they have.

effect return wrote:

Bono tells journalists at his L.A mansion that he prefers to be called a mick rather than a paddy.

Personally I prefer to be called neither:\ohwell:

cranelane wrote:

effect return wrote:

Bono tells journalists at his L.A mansion that he prefers to be called a mick rather than a paddy.

Personally I prefer to be called neither:\ohwell:

Ever since bernard manning died and roy chubby brown taking up artistic mime with jim davidson the chances of being called a paddy or mick are remote. :)

bernard, stephen, and gillian seems to have adjusted well, after all the myriad setbacks. for middle aged stars they appear to want to continue to create new listenable music, unlike the aforementioned band from ireland, who have not achieved such in many years. at their age what bands have maintained such a high level of interesting listenability as no ? i cannot think of any. in 100 lifetimes i could not create anything even remotely as interesting as any song by new order, so i am grateful they still are working. i believe peter could create if he tried, i still like revenge, monaco.

keepitcoming wrote: bernard, stephen, and gillian seems to have adjusted well, after all the myriad setbacks. for middle aged stars they appear to want to continue to create new listenable music, unlike the aforementioned band from ireland, who have not achieved such in many years. at their age what bands have maintained such a high level of interesting listenability as no ? i cannot think of any. in 100 lifetimes i could not create anything even remotely as interesting as any song by new order, so i am grateful they still are working. i believe peter could create if he tried, i still like revenge, monaco.

New Order in Brussels seemed to me very rejunenated, but give it a year or two and unless they decide to make new music it will all get stale again surely, It takes courage I guess to walk away from music as for example Liz Fraser and Mark Hollis both seem to have done, I presume they are both happy to be away from the music game.

Hooky must sometimes wonder whether it is worth it with all the abuse he gets - some of which he unfortunately draws on himself..

as i am older than new order , i cannot make the computer do fun things . the photos that are top left of each comment intrigue me . for instances, the man in the window, the purple cat, the bull and dartboard, and the one with england's flag with silhouette of a man. am i allowed to place such nice pictures?

keepitcoming wrote: as i am older than new order , i cannot make the computer do fun things . the photos that are top left of each comment intrigue me . for instances, the man in the window, the purple cat, the bull and dartboard, and the one with england's flag with silhouette of a man. am i allowed to place such nice pictures?

its on Edit Profile... you select an avatar, as in the film where a big blue alien being will become you on this forum. And then the US army will turn up and destroy your world.

thanks

effect return wrote:

You could say that hooky is a victim of his own success in a way because there is profit to be made from the records even now, but someone of his fame and musical stature cant really be seen to be cutting costs like a new band on the scene and still come out of it without be perceived to be miserable with the cash. The legacy he refers to.

More quotes from Hooky-

Albums … God. As a musician these days, the very thought of locking myself away for 12 months to write an album and then have it disappear on the Internet doesn't fill me with glee, to be honest. So, I think the people tend to concentrate more on EPs, to be honest, so I think we'd do an EP, I would think, as opposed to an album.

http://www.diamondbackonline.com/diversions/torn-apart-again-1.2601333?pagereq=2#.TtRc2mMg9kY

Though saying that I do have the yearning to make a new record but it’s finding the format of doing it and persuading yourself its a good idea. It’s not the money with these records but the time you know, locking your self away for six months and the effort that goes into it. But I’m quite happy and I’m having loads of things to do with the past and loads of things to do with the future.

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/music/peter-hook-interviewed-we-shouldve-ended-new-order-in-1990/

ZANI – Do you have any intention of releasing the tour of Unknown Pleasures as a DVD, CD or download?

Peter Hook - We recorded it when we did Goodwood. But the thing is it costs so much money to do a proper live recording and you might not get your money back because of all those people who illegally download. They are shooting themselves in the foot, because most musicians are losing interest in recording, ‘cos they aren’t getting any money. The last New Order album took three years to record, you have to be insane these days to spend three years recording an album, because you are only going to get about ten grand back. The final New Order album cost around seven hundred and fifty thousand pounds to make. There is no chance, that we will recoup that money. So you have to record and work in a different way, so it is a difficult time to make money from music.

http://www.zani.co.uk/Interviews.aspx?id=97

leather_girl wrote:

ZANI – Do you have any intention of releasing the tour of Unknown Pleasures as a DVD, CD or download?

Peter Hook - We recorded it when we did Goodwood. But the thing is it costs so much money to do a proper live recording and you might not get your money back because of all those people who illegally download. They are shooting themselves in the foot, because most musicians are losing interest in recording, ‘cos they aren’t getting any money. The last New Order album took three years to record, you have to be insane these days to spend three years recording an album, because you are only going to get about ten grand back. The final New Order album cost around seven hundred and fifty thousand pounds to make. There is no chance, that we will recoup that money. So you have to record and work in a different way, so it is a difficult time to make money from music.

http://www.zani.co.uk/Interviews.aspx?id=97

While I do see Hooky's point, and internet is changing music, maybe for the worse (or better, who knows), and production of music might be hurting compared to the care of the past.... however, most younger cutting edge bands aren't spending 3/4 of a million pounds to produce an album... that only happens when bands get old and bloated, and honestly, how many old and bloated bands make the best album of the decades in their twilight years?

It all went downhill after movement and PCL, great small venues and different set lists. Great banter, Pernod and Orange and Bundeswher vest.

Let it go and savour the memories:-

Tower Ballroom 83 first New Order rendition of LWTUA RFH 84 - Decades Woolwich Coronet 87 - Do the Ostrich

and many more ...........

Feet up, log burner on and a nice cuppa tea :)

Haile Gebrselassie wrote:

Woolwich Coronet 87 - Do the Ostrich

My first ever New Order bootleg,also featured Atmosphere..

"We've never played this part of London before,I think I can understand why really"

El Jarvo wrote:

As is the Kilburn National Ballroom, I think?

The Universal Church Of The Kingdom Of God seemingly...

cranelane wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

As is the Kilburn National Ballroom, I think?

The Universal Church Of The Kingdom Of God seemingly...

A good place t'see The Light, then.

:\ohwell:

leather_girl wrote:

effect return wrote:

You could say that hooky is a victim of his own success in a way because there is profit to be made from the records even now, but someone of his fame and musical stature cant really be seen to be cutting costs like a new band on the scene and still come out of it without be perceived to be miserable with the cash. The legacy he refers to.

More quotes from Hooky-

Albums … God. As a musician these days, the very thought of locking myself away for 12 months to write an album and then have it disappear on the Internet doesn't fill me with glee, to be honest. So, I think the people tend to concentrate more on EPs, to be honest, so I think we'd do an EP, I would think, as opposed to an album.

http://www.diamondbackonline.com/diversions/torn-apart-again-1.2601333?pagereq=2#.TtRc2mMg9kY

Though saying that I do have the yearning to make a new record but it’s finding the format of doing it and persuading yourself its a good idea. It’s not the money with these records but the time you know, locking your self away for six months and the effort that goes into it. But I’m quite happy and I’m having loads of things to do with the past and loads of things to do with the future.

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/music/peter-hook-interviewed-we-shouldve-ended-new-order-in-1990/

ZANI – Do you have any intention of releasing the tour of Unknown Pleasures as a DVD, CD or download?

Peter Hook - We recorded it when we did Goodwood. But the thing is it costs so much money to do a proper live recording and you might not get your money back because of all those people who illegally download. They are shooting themselves in the foot, because most musicians are losing interest in recording, ‘cos they aren’t getting any money. The last New Order album took three years to record, you have to be insane these days to spend three years recording an album, because you are only going to get about ten grand back. The final New Order album cost around seven hundred and fifty thousand pounds to make. There is no chance, that we will recoup that money. So you have to record and work in a different way, so it is a difficult time to make money from music.

http://www.zani.co.uk/Interviews.aspx?id=97

It seems from reading those excerpts that hooky is trying to justify having a tribute band and im sure deep down he knows its not something he can justify. If he feels that strongly about making new music then thats up to him and some may agree with him but the whole shit with bernard,steve and gillian doesnt help his cause one iota.

The best music is always made in a short space of time or to a deadline and you can look at several bands for examples of that. i like the story whether its true or not of bernard getting locked into the apartment when they recorded true faith/1963 and spent the time writing the lyrics when he could do nothing else which turned out to be the best song lyrically in my view that he wrote. When i write i spend 3 quarters of the time on recording the material properly and on the vocals and even then bare minimum because ultimately only people who noticed the trem rate or the warmth are muso's and you dont write music for them. People will like it or they wont.

effect return wrote:

leather_girl wrote:

effect return wrote:

You could say that hooky is a victim of his own success in a way because there is profit to be made from the records even now, but someone of his fame and musical stature cant really be seen to be cutting costs like a new band on the scene and still come out of it without be perceived to be miserable with the cash. The legacy he refers to.

More quotes from Hooky-

Albums … God. As a musician these days, the very thought of locking myself away for 12 months to write an album and then have it disappear on the Internet doesn't fill me with glee, to be honest. So, I think the people tend to concentrate more on EPs, to be honest, so I think we'd do an EP, I would think, as opposed to an album.

http://www.diamondbackonline.com/diversions/torn-apart-again-1.2601333?pagereq=2#.TtRc2mMg9kY

Though saying that I do have the yearning to make a new record but it’s finding the format of doing it and persuading yourself its a good idea. It’s not the money with these records but the time you know, locking your self away for six months and the effort that goes into it. But I’m quite happy and I’m having loads of things to do with the past and loads of things to do with the future.

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/music/peter-hook-interviewed-we-shouldve-ended-new-order-in-1990/

ZANI – Do you have any intention of releasing the tour of Unknown Pleasures as a DVD, CD or download?

Peter Hook - We recorded it when we did Goodwood. But the thing is it costs so much money to do a proper live recording and you might not get your money back because of all those people who illegally download. They are shooting themselves in the foot, because most musicians are losing interest in recording, ‘cos they aren’t getting any money. The last New Order album took three years to record, you have to be insane these days to spend three years recording an album, because you are only going to get about ten grand back. The final New Order album cost around seven hundred and fifty thousand pounds to make. There is no chance, that we will recoup that money. So you have to record and work in a different way, so it is a difficult time to make money from music.

http://www.zani.co.uk/Interviews.aspx?id=97

It seems from reading those excerpts that hooky is trying to justify having a tribute band and im sure deep down he knows its not something he can justify. If he feels that strongly about making new music then thats up to him and some may agree with him but the whole shit with bernard,steve and gillian doesnt help his cause one iota.

The best music is always made in a short space of time or to a deadline and you can look at several bands for examples of that. i like the story whether its true or not of bernard getting locked into the apartment when they recorded true faith/1963 and spent the time writing the lyrics when he could do nothing else which turned out to be the best song lyrically in my view that he wrote. When i write i spend 3 quarters of the time on recording the material properly and on the vocals and even then bare minimum because ultimately only people who noticed the trem rate or the warmth are muso's and you dont write music for them. People will like it or they wont.

Well said, couldn't agree more

Surface wrote: If everything is correct about the Sirens being blocked and all the other stuff he has said recently about Gillian etc, I don't think I could stomach the sight of him with New Order again.

I used to have a lot of respect for him but not anymore!

Would you believe it, the day after I wrote this - I bumped into him in the village this morning, he was coming out of the flower shop, just walked on by though!

Surface wrote:

Surface wrote: If everything is correct about the Sirens being blocked and all the other stuff he has said recently about Gillian etc, I don't think I could stomach the sight of him with New Order again.

I used to have a lot of respect for him but not anymore!

Would you believe it, the day after I wrote this - I bumped into him in the village this morning, he was coming out of the flower shop, just walked on by though!

I do believe it.........but why didn't you distract his attention then punch him??

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:

Made me realise that he is still someone who was part of a band that made the music i grew up with. Knowing how much he likes the live thing, he must be hurting like hell seeing NO playing.

Why can't he see sense and start working towards sorting stuff out rather than slagging everone off or blocking what the fans want or not in your case EK :-)

Surface wrote:

Surface wrote: If everything is correct about the Sirens being blocked and all the other stuff he has said recently about Gillian etc, I don't think I could stomach the sight of him with New Order again.

I used to have a lot of respect for him but not anymore!

Would you believe it, the day after I wrote this - I bumped into him in the village this morning, he was coming out of the flower shop, just walked on by though!

I do believe it.........but why didn't you distract his attention then punch him??

El Jarvo wrote: Should've wafted a fiver in front of him and asked him to burn you a quick copy of Lost Sirens. :\ohwell:

Edited slightly.

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:

Surface wrote:

Surface wrote: If everything is correct about the Sirens being blocked and all the other stuff he has said recently about Gillian etc, I don't think I could stomach the sight of him with New Order again.

I used to have a lot of respect for him but not anymore!

Would you believe it, the day after I wrote this - I bumped into him in the village this morning, he was coming out of the flower shop, just walked on by though!

I do believe it.........but why didn't you distract his attention then punch him??

Maybe because punching someone when they are on their way to a family funeral is not a very nice thing to do.

Grow up.

[orange]Jack[/orange] wrote:

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote:

Surface wrote:

Surface wrote: If everything is correct about the Sirens being blocked and all the other stuff he has said recently about Gillian etc, I don't think I could stomach the sight of him with New Order again.

I used to have a lot of respect for him but not anymore!

Would you believe it, the day after I wrote this - I bumped into him in the village this morning, he was coming out of the flower shop, just walked on by though!

I do believe it.........but why didn't you distract his attention then punch him??

Maybe because punching someone when they are on their way to a family funeral is not a very nice thing to do.

Grow up.

Oops, sorry Jack, put me foot in me mouth there.... I really didn't know, so I take it back .....

But yeah, I admit to being a tad childish of late....

There's nowt else really to do except [playfully] vent one's frustrations on things we care about I guess...to the extent of saying flippant things!