New Order supporting Blur, Hyde Park 12/08/2012

NotAMod wrote:

Tock wrote: I don't think Gordon Brown would have been quite so keen as Cameron in his involvement. Cameron is a cock. Brown for all his many faults had some humility.

You made some good points about ordinary people being displaced due to massive fucking pointless stadiums being constructed, overall we'd probably agree on that.

But sorry Brown would have been all over the Olympics like a rash and to assume otherwise is a bit naive. The Olympics are a big meal ticket for any politician regardless of ideology to look good, look in charge and at the heart of something big, swanky and successful. As for Brown's humility? Er, that's another discussion for another forum.

Anyway, I'll be aiming to pick up a few tickets on Friday morning

This is labouring a small point but Brown was a reluctant (and rubbish) public figure I feel - however his ambition forced him to play the modern PR game and would have forced him to be an Olympic Court Jester.

Cameron positively loves the PR game which is very plain to see I would have thought.

Don't get me wrong I am not Brown supporter but I hate bully boy Cameron and his cronies. The bands/fans/people are the Court Jesters and peasants in their eyes while they lord it up.

By all means enjoy the gig, I just wish our heroes did not accept the invite to take part in it.

Tower Ballroom wrote:

Rorschach wrote: The Telegraph's highly informed thoughts on Neworder...

"New Order, growing out of Joy Division, fused that bands gloomy aesthetic to electronic dance music, the tension between their mordant soundscapes and ecstatic rhythms somehow standing in opposition to the frivolity and gaudy excess that characterised British pop in the Thatcher era. The dour Manchester combo offered an antidote to escapism, the title of their 1983 debut album, Power, Corruption and Lies indicating that this was serious music for serious times."

I suppose we should be grateful they just about swerved the "rising from the ashes of joy Division" cliche.

Debut Album

Think they consider Movement a JD album without Ian.

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Tower Ballroom wrote:

Rorschach wrote: The Telegraph's highly informed thoughts on Neworder...

"New Order, growing out of Joy Division, fused that bands gloomy aesthetic to electronic dance music, the tension between their mordant soundscapes and ecstatic rhythms somehow standing in opposition to the frivolity and gaudy excess that characterised British pop in the Thatcher era. The dour Manchester combo offered an antidote to escapism, the title of their 1983 debut album, Power, Corruption and Lies indicating that this was serious music for serious times."

I suppose we should be grateful they just about swerved the "rising from the ashes of joy Division" cliche.

Debut Album

Think they consider Movement a JD album without Ian.

Well they are wrong, it is the best New Order album bar none

Britpop, what a joke

Ignored all that twaddle at the time and listened to Future Sound Of London's ISDN broadcasts and, later, 1996's masterpiece album Dead Cities, μ-Ziq, Portishead,Spiritualized, The Orb (their gig at London Forum in April 95 was ace :))... to name a few

What did Britpop give us? Menswear What a useless bunch of idiots they were

johnny wrote: Britpop, what a joke

Ignored all that twaddle at the time and listened to Future Sound Of London's ISDN broadcasts and, later, 1996's masterpiece album Dead Cities, μ-Ziq, Portishead,Spiritualized, The Orb (their gig at London Forum in April 95 was ace :))... to name a few

What did Britpop give us? Menswear What a useless bunch of idiots they were

The ORB were great live saw em a few time, that bass WOW

El Jarvo wrote:

PHD wrote: I think they played at the request of Fergie & Andrew around 87/88 in the US.

Ah, was it them? I thought it was Charles & Di.

I do remember it being a footnote to the BBC News one night. An awards ceremony or something in the US? Am sure they were all dressed 'smartly', bar Hooky.

I wouldn't say Steve was exactly dressed smartly, either.

For once Hooky is not the odd man out here!

Wonder if Channel 4 will cover this a bit, grab some viewers who aren't interested in the Olympics away from the BBC

This is some kind of post-modernist joke, right?

Who will NO be supporting next?

A reformed Menswe@r????!!!!

I'm probably one of the only few on this board who likes both New Order and Blur :D

NC wrote: I'm probably one of the only few on this board who likes both New Order and Blur :D

There are some of us out there... But keep it quiet... It's, like, totally not cool...

Snorri xxx

Snorrimon wrote:

NC wrote: I'm probably one of the only few on this board who likes both New Order and Blur :D

There are some of us out there... But keep it quiet... It's, like, totally not cool...

Snorri xxx

You, Girls and Boys :D

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Snorrimon wrote:

NC wrote: I'm probably one of the only few on this board who likes both New Order and Blur :D

There are some of us out there... But keep it quiet... It's, like, totally not cool...

Snorri xxx

You, Girls and Boys :D

Charmless Man...

Snorri xxx

Say what you want but I love Blur! I'm not missing this for anything!

Snorrimon wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Snorrimon wrote:

NC wrote: I'm probably one of the only few on this board who likes both New Order and Blur :D

There are some of us out there... But keep it quiet... It's, like, totally not cool...

Snorri xxx

You, Girls and Boys :D

Charmless Man...

Snorri xxx

HAHAHAHAHA

Snorrimon wrote:

NC wrote: I'm probably one of the only few on this board who likes both New Order and Blur :D

There are some of us out there... But keep it quiet... It's, like, totally not cool...

Snorri xxx

me too but i dont think Blur songs have aged that well. I dont know what it is about new order but even though sometimes the production is clunky and production always dates, the songs still sound fresh to me.

Blur is a fairly appropriate name for them, if the Brits shambles was anything to go by.

And as I was horrified by The Specials return shows (great to hear the music but time hadn't been kind to Terry's sense of timing), I think I shall be giving this one a miss.

As much as I enjoy the New Order craic and live in eternal hope that one day something old will be unveiled (how times change, throughout the 80s we turned up every week in the hope of seeing a new song!), the idea of standing through exactly the same borefest every show, with the programmed videos (how much is actually live?) has got me glad that I have tons of happy memories of the old days.

Tim wrote: Blur is a fairly appropriate name for them, if the Brits shambles was anything to go by.

And as I was horrified by The Specials return shows (great to hear the music but time hadn't been kind to Terry's sense of timing), I think I shall be giving this one a miss.

As much as I enjoy the New Order craic and live in eternal hope that one day something old will be unveiled (how times change, throughout the 80s we turned up every week in the hope of seeing a new song!), the idea of standing through exactly the same borefest every show, with the programmed videos (how much is actually live?) has got me glad that I have tons of happy memories of the old days.

New Order are more LIVE now than they have been since 2001, at least. More of the synth and programmed parts are played now, and even some of the lower basslines are being played live.

I'm not so sure. I have grave reservations as to how live the vocals are, and the linking to videos has got me fearing/suspecting that the good old Akai is the most significant member of the band these days!!!!!

Tim wrote: Blur is a fairly appropriate name for them, if the Brits shambles was anything to go by.

And as I was horrified by The Specials return shows (great to hear the music but time hadn't been kind to Terry's sense of timing), I think I shall be giving this one a miss.

As much as I enjoy the New Order craic and live in eternal hope that one day something old will be unveiled (how times change, throughout the 80s we turned up every week in the hope of seeing a new song!), the idea of standing through exactly the same borefest every show, with the programmed videos (how much is actually live?) has got me glad that I have tons of happy memories of the old days.

Agree 100% Tim and we can still play the old bootlegs:-

Milan 82 Tiffany's 83 Tower Ballroom 83 RFH 84

to name a few - Happy Days :)

Tim wrote: I'm not so sure. I have grave reservations as to how live the vocals are, and the linking to videos has got me fearing/suspecting that the good old Akai is the most significant member of the band these days!!!!!

New Order have been using some sequenced harmonized backing vocals on live tracks since 1986 (listen to live versions of Paradise, Round and Round, True Faith, Dream Attack, and World from that era).

Synchronizing video screens to live performance isn't that hard when you are using sequenced tracks that dictate where the verses and choruses come in.

For instance, these days, tracks like Crystal, Krafty, True Faith, and 586 are more live than ever.

Crystal - Live keyboards on the verses (Gillian plays live what was once sequences), Phil on guitar plus keyboards, Bernard on Guitar, Steve on drums, Tom play low and high bass parts, with backing vocals and synth pads sequenced.

Krafty - Gillian plays keyboards on choruses, which used to be sequenced, plus all of the above.

Regret - Gillian plays live keyboards, which were sequenced when she was out of the band.

1963 - Tom plays the low end bass part that used to be programmed, plsy live guitar from Phil, live keys from Gillian, live drumming from Steve.

Round and Round - Live keyboards from Gillian, Live guitar from Phil, live drums from Steve, Tom plays both bass leads and low end programmed bass.

586 - Gillian plays synth bass parts in the intro, then plays melody parts on the verses and choruses, plus her synth solo. Bernard and Phil Play guitar, Tom plays low end bass parts, live drumming from Steve.

True Faith - The most live it has ever been. Gillian plays lead melody and chorus keyboard parts live, Phil plays all of the chord synth parts live, Tom plays lead bass lines plus low end programmed bass lines on the verses, live guitar from Barney, live drums from Steve, with sequencers doing their usual bits.

I'd say they are more "live" than ever these days.

Blur are the most over-rated band in the entire universe. Some good singles, some hit'n'miss albums and some truly dire B-sides. There's a story going round - may not be true, but simply the fact it goes round in the first place is significant - that Blur were contacted by their record label, 'We need some B-sides, we've booked a studio tomorrow afternoon, can you bash 'em out?' Now check Suede's Sci-Fi Lullabies and ask yourself if Suede ever knocked 'em out. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a lot of Blur, just when you hear journos comparing 'em to the Beatles... Incidentally, Alex James (a huge JD fan) played with BL, he was rumoured to be up for Freebass too once.

Suede did knock a few hurried b-sides out, such as Digging A Hole, and Feel (which aren't on Sci Fi Lullabies) - which were "You have an afternoon, do some songs.". But generally, they spent more time on songs than that!

Personally I always rated Suede over both Blur and Oasis. They seemed to give a lot more care and attention to every aspect of their work - recordings, gigs, fan club, the lot. Check out the recent album rereleases and you'll find true labours of love, certainly pissing over stuff like 'Inernational'. Love the band! Love NO too, but that's another story.

Tim wrote: I'm not so sure. I have grave reservations as to how live the vocals are, and the linking to videos has got me fearing/suspecting that the good old Akai is the most significant member of the band these days!!!!!

If you need any evidence as to how live the vocals are, try listening to the version of Here to Stay posted recently! Shambolic Barney vocals at their very best! Deffo 100% live

Are Bleurgh going to split up again for good after the Olympics then?

I mean, Damon Allbran is earning enough with Gorillaz isn't he? And Alex is minting it with his cheese-making factory or summat, whilst Dave The Failed Pilot is now a candidate for the House Of Commons, whilst that other geeky bloke Coxon is forever doing his solo groove thang isn't he?

So what is the point of them reforming?

go bernard, sing live all you want . whoop too

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Tim wrote: I'm not so sure. I have grave reservations as to how live the vocals are, and the linking to videos has got me fearing/suspecting that the good old Akai is the most significant member of the band these days!!!!!

New Order have been using some sequenced harmonized backing vocals on live tracks since 1986 (listen to live versions of Paradise, Round and Round, True Faith, Dream Attack, and World from that era).

Synchronizing video screens to live performance isn't that hard when you are using sequenced tracks that dictate where the verses and choruses come in.

For instance, these days, tracks like Crystal, Krafty, True Faith, and 586 are more live than ever.

Crystal - Live keyboards on the verses (Gillian plays live what was once sequences), Phil on guitar plus keyboards, Bernard on Guitar, Steve on drums, Tom play low and high bass parts, with backing vocals and synth pads sequenced.

Krafty - Gillian plays keyboards on choruses, which used to be sequenced, plus all of the above.

Regret - Gillian plays live keyboards, which were sequenced when she was out of the band.

1963 - Tom plays the low end bass part that used to be programmed, plsy live guitar from Phil, live keys from Gillian, live drumming from Steve.

Round and Round - Live keyboards from Gillian, Live guitar from Phil, live drums from Steve, Tom plays both bass leads and low end programmed bass.

586 - Gillian plays synth bass parts in the intro, then plays melody parts on the verses and choruses, plus her synth solo. Bernard and Phil Play guitar, Tom plays low end bass parts, live drumming from Steve.

True Faith - The most live it has ever been. Gillian plays lead melody and chorus keyboard parts live, Phil plays all of the chord synth parts live, Tom plays lead bass lines plus low end programmed bass lines on the verses, live guitar from Barney, live drums from Steve, with sequencers doing their usual bits.

I'd say they are more "live" than ever these days.

I seen it. It is true.