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Peter Hook: 'My replacement in New Order is miming along to my bass parts'
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Yawnarama.
Hooky : I WAS FUCKING DONE MATE! I HATE 'EM! New Order : He Left.
Put it this way : when my brother put a comment about a duff note on "Regret" at the Troxy on Facebook, Hooky 'liked' it. So either
a) Hooky on FB is an imposter or b) they've taken a Hooky recording of where he got the notes wrong and used it for Tom to mime on that one gig alone or c) Hooky's full of shit / Tom's playing live.
I am laughing out loud in my office, Tom clearly plays live bass, it's very evident. When they did Round and Round Tom would play the high lead bass parts and then play along to the low programmed bass during the verses.
He is actually pretty good at playing traditional low end rhythm bass and emulating Hoooky's high bass parts. Does it confuse Hooky that he can do this.
Peter Hook, I love you, I do. You are an innovative bass player who created his own style, a good vocalist (hey I love the first Revenge record, Hooky sounds so sleazy) and a cool guy but you have got to stop saying this stupid shit, and stop trashing Gillian too. Please.
I hope it goes to court and the twat loses every penny he's made from fake dj-ing, his hacienda guitars and his tribute band
Of the three NO gigs I've been to over the past six months and having repeatedly listened to the official Troxy release it's clear that Chapman does not mime. Would be the first to say otherwise and I'm sure lots of other fans who were also there on those evenings would have spotted any such falseness. NO's statement for this sole R&R segment which has caused such an outrage is reasonable by anyone's standards.
I wish both Hooky and New Order would take a step back to see how these interviews are turning some in the fanbase in to partisan reactionaries. Deep down, we are all fans of the music first and foremost. If there is a legal case to be answered then let it be answered behind closed doors without this relentless blood letting in the press.
It's gone way past undignified.
People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones or their recent fake DJing YouTube hit might need to be recalled. Keep watching."
bang.
Shows how desperate the Hook camp are for the chance to get a dig in that they take notice of Cambo! 
As Hooky well knows, New Order have been using prerecorded parts for years, on all instruments. Including his bass. Be interesting to hear why he thinks they shouldn't do that now. He will of course be aware that Stuart Price has re-done tracks such as Round and Round, technology having changed somewhat since the Technique era, and as such the bass will not be his original recordings.....
on the plus side, round and round is in the set list!
ive suddenly been playing it loads the last couple of months, when previously it was my least fav track from technique, if they can sneek TBTHOG into the bham ballroom gig as well, il be more than happy!
El Jarvo wrote: I bet Cambo and Jed both just let out some excited wee.
He's clearly not playing to a recording of Hooky, as it doesn't sound like he's using a clone theory, but he's not playing the lead bass part, as the track in question does not have a lower bass guitar part, but a bass synth part there's no need for this, I've no problem with tracks where there are more than one bass guitar part having backing, but when there's one lead bass part that is what should be played.
As I stated on FB, the only reason I get a bit wound up about it is because I love playing those bass lines myslef, and to see Tom not playing the lead bass is just sad, for me (obviously not for everyone) the lead bass has always been the distinctive sound of new order, no other band mixed electronics with lead bass.
mr disco wrote: on the plus side, round and round is in the set list!
That's the last you'll hear of that now! 
Anybody doing the Nottingham gig that NME still think is happening? Same night as Birmingham, April 29th
Apr 29, 2012 19:00 Birmingham Ballroom Birmingham Tickets not currently available.
Apr 29, 2012 19:00 The Ballroom (marcus Garvey Community Centre) Nottingham
Think the Hacienda Whistle Test thing is the only other time they've played two gigs in one night
Jed Stephens wrote: I love playing those bass lines myslef, and to see Tom not playing the lead bass is just sad, for me (obviously not for everyone) the lead bass has always been the distinctive sound of new order, no other band mixed electronics with lead bass.
That sounds like you're auditioning for the part of Tom's replacement. 
How anyone can think Tom's miming is beyond me. Just listening to Tom's setup, you can tell it isn't the same gear, not the same bass, not the same pedals and chorus delay. And the way he plays is not the same as Hooky.
If it goes to court, it will cost Hooky dear, I imagine.
very very sad.
i liked how through the 80's and 90's.
you barely read or saw anything about the band. unless it was about new music, a project, albums, videos, etc.
nowadays, a day doesn't go by, where you read comments, interviews, and articles either griping, complaining, or attacking each other.
almost makes you not want to care.
later -1
Not too long before we get to 'how dare NO play cover versions of the songs I alone wrote?' I hope we are all feeling ashamed of contributing to this 'oppression of a minority'... 
Snorri xxx
Jed Stephens wrote:
El Jarvo wrote: I bet Cambo and Jed both just let out some excited wee.
He's clearly not playing to a recording of Hooky, as it doesn't sound like he's using a clone theory, but he's not playing the lead bass part, as the track in question does not have a lower bass guitar part, but a bass synth part there's no need for this, I've no problem with tracks where there are more than one bass guitar part having backing, but when there's one lead bass part that is what should be played.
As I stated on FB, the only reason I get a bit wound up about it is because I love playing those bass lines myslef, and to see Tom not playing the lead bass is just sad, for me (obviously not for everyone) the lead bass has always been the distinctive sound of new order, no other band mixed electronics with lead bass.
The band refute it by saying "there is a low bass part, a high bass part and Tom sings backing vocals". They don't say it's a low bass guitar part. But that's a cop-out and I agree that Chappy should concentrate on the actual guitar bits, even if it means no backing vocals.
johnny wrote: Anybody doing the Nottingham gig that NME still think is happening? Same night as Birmingham, April 29th
Apr 29, 2012 19:00 Birmingham Ballroom Birmingham Tickets not currently available.
Apr 29, 2012 19:00 The Ballroom (marcus Garvey Community Centre) Nottingham
Think the Hacienda Whistle Test thing is the only other time they've played two gigs in one night
I saw that today , the Marcus Garvey centre is a SHED :)
mark reed wrote: How anyone can think Tom's miming is beyond me.
if you look at the video, you hear a high bass line in the chorus, his hands aren't in the position for that part, on the record there is no low bass guitar part it's bass synth, which is sequenced so there is no need for him to play it on his bass rather than the lead and to do bv's, they've had pre recorded backing bv's for years, i'd rather that than pre recorded lead bass.
I can't understand the court action at all, so long as they get the royalties that were previously agreed for previous recordings they should just go there separate ways and stop the fighting.
I'm not that keen on the idea of canned backing vocals either though, it reminds me too much of boyband type shenanigans..
Gary wrote: I hope it goes to court and the twat loses every penny he's made from fake dj-ing, his hacienda guitars and his tribute band
Ouch
Yet more bitterness, he's effectively turned into Roger Waters post his departure from Pink Floyd.
At least if it does go to court possibly the whole thing can be laid to rest. Although I assume the other three would win as they are the majority of the original lineup - unless of course something was drawn up.
I don't want to take sides in this thing, at the end of the day I'm a fan of all the members of JD/NO. I enjoyed Bad Lieutenant, I'm enjoying the Light. Alas it seems I won't be able to see the current incarnation any time soon but from what I've seen/heard they're putting on great shows.
