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I must admit, I really like it... pretty much the whole album. I'll Stay With You and Californian Grass are the 'classic' New Order we know and love, each aspect of the band's sound accounted for and gelling perfectly. I think production-wise Stephen Street really got the best out of them over those two songs. Sugarcane I initially didn't take to, the lyrics are obviously trite but after a few more listens even it won me slightly over. I've Got A Feeling is a bit moody and Sabotage-esque as someone else posted but again it flows surprisingly well, perhaps being Bernard's lyrical high point of the record. I'm revisiting that one a lot.

Hellbent's rougher mix doesn't quite measure up to the tarted up Radio Edit on Total we've been used to for over a year now; the bass and keyboards are too low in the mix. They're the same length so I'm not sure why they didn't just drop the Total mix onto LS but it's no big deal as we've got both versions now. Recoil is taking longer to appreciate, I've not felt the need to go back to it as much as the others so the jury's still out on that one. Shake It Up is "Idiot Country Three" and the intro is memorable and very slick. No comment on ITYS as it's a remix, not really a "new" song; I'm indifferent to it.

How will we feel about these songs in 6-12 months? Will they stand up next to the 'classic' material of the Factory years? For now, I'm just taking them on their own merits but I'm guessing in time I'll Stay With You and maybe even I've Got A Feeling will be remembered fondly.

Anyway, I'm pleasantly surprised; the big question now is that they're finally out, will the current line-up of the band play any of them live this year?

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Kelvin wrote: I'm sure someone will now tell me that both versions of Hellbent are the same now, and I'll think I'm going mad...

I like Hellbent from total much better, the Total version is re-edited and beefed up and sounds much better than the lost sirens version. Extra things here and there in the Total version makes it sound better.

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Just bought the mp3, and I have to say that this is an excellent album!! 100 times better than most of the new shit that is released today. New Order can do no wrong, can't wait for another album!!

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So, who mixed Hellbent for Total, and why didn't they "finish" this release for us? Politics?

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NewOrderFan1990 wrote: Just bought the mp3, and I have to say that this is an excellent album!! 100 times better than most of the new shit that is released today. New Order can do no wrong, can't wait for another album!!

Can't wait to hear Tom on a studio release !

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They'll really be scraping the barrel if they tour 'Lost Sirens' (a bunch of out takes), They could call the tour 'LOST MORALS' or even LOST BIROS - that's a popular thread [:d]

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I must say I find Lost Sirens a rather uninspiring affair and in many ways I would of preferred them to stay lost. The thing is, after being on the shelf for a number of years, they still don't sound finished. They just seem like ideas, nothing more, with no particular direction. They sound like a Sumner on his own, with session musicians, in a 'New Order-esque' style. After the hype that Hooky gave them a year or two back, they are a massive disappointment.

Unless the band can do a fully electronic based album - which they've never done - I would rather them not put out anymore material.

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Just to go against the last post, I'm glad these songs have made the light of day. Early days but they this bunch of tracks sound more fresh than the wftsc ones (which I just can't bear to listen to nowadays except turn, giaua and hnwyd.

It showcases more of their talent and even these "lesser" tracks sound so much better than a lot of poop that other bands have produced the same timeframe. While the lyrics are pretty naff "and when the dusk come howl at your door?", Barnes vocals are far better than what emerges on wftsc.

I'd take more of the same anyway. Barney has a great ear for a decent vocal Melody.

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It's up on Spotify. [;)]

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I picked up Lost Sirens yesterday and it is a real shame that this album was not expanded on. I think it is far better than WFTSC.Outside of the title track and Krafty I didn't really like that album.

If its the last album with Hooky its a real shame because it is pretty solid.

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I'm still enjoying the songs. A lot.

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Amazon say my Vinyl + CD edition has been dispatched but i won't receive it until around February 12th, that's almost a month away, WTF?

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Thanks again wrote: Amazon say my Vinyl + CD edition has been dispatched but i won't receive it until around February 12th, that's almost a month away, WTF?

I (pre)ordered my Vinyl + CD on Sunday night with super saver delivery and I got an email today saying it will arrive this Saturday 19th.

That's going to rural Scotland as well so not sure what's happened to yours, Johnny!

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NotAMod wrote:

Thanks again wrote: Amazon say my Vinyl + CD edition has been dispatched but i won't receive it until around February 12th, that's almost a month away, WTF?

I (pre)ordered my Vinyl + CD on Sunday night with super saver delivery and I got an email today saying it will arrive this Saturday 19th.

That's going to rural Scotland as well so not sure what's happened to yours, Johnny!

Just logged into my Amazon account and it actually says there any time between Jan 23rd and Feb 12th whereas the email just says Feb 12th. So ANY time in the next 4 weeks then lol.

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Thanks again wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Thanks again wrote: Amazon say my Vinyl + CD edition has been dispatched but i won't receive it until around February 12th, that's almost a month away, WTF?

I (pre)ordered my Vinyl + CD on Sunday night with super saver delivery and I got an email today saying it will arrive this Saturday 19th.

That's going to rural Scotland as well so not sure what's happened to yours, Johnny!

Just logged into my Amazon account and it actually says there any time between Jan 23rd and Feb 12th whereas the email just says Feb 12th. So ANY time in the next 4 weeks then lol.

Ordered mine from T'amazon last week and it was delivered 2 days later! The fuckwit idiots tried to "shoehorn" the LP into packaging that was far too small and thus damaged it in the process! Sent it back for a full refund! In the meantime i ordered it on MP3 from T'amazon and theyve even fucked that up! downloaded it to my "cloud" but it wont let me download it to my lappy! useless fuckwit bastards! And they say technology is the "future" i beg to differ......

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I'm enjoying it too. About as good as it could have been which I guess is faint praise. Interesting that Hellbent was sort of sacrificed as a new song for Total which I think is the weakest song here. They did the same by putting I Told You So on a freebie mag CD before WFTSC and (I think) Haze before Twisted Tenderness. Both of which made me worried about the actual albums but luckily loved them both. That said not liking Shake It Up but overall very pleased with it. :)

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New Order are my favourite band, and always have been/will be. I think I may be very lucky in that I love them from Movement to Lost Sirens, and probably beyond, fingers crossed for that new New Order album! It seems like a common attitude on these forums to suggest that somehow the Factory NO were the be all and end all and that the band hasn't made anything worthwile since Technique, admittabley their best album, certainly nothing to compare with the great Factory classics.. But for me, that criminally ignores some of the best songs NO have EVER created, imoho of course! Regret, World, Liar, Brutal, Crystal, Vicious Circle, Here to Stay, Krafty, Who's Joe, Waiting for the Siren's Call and Turn. For me, these latter four in particular easily rank alongside anything produced in the 80s. This is the sound of a band growing and developing and not staying the same, ever. Now we have the Lost Sirens, and what a lost album this would have been. These are no worthless outtakes, on my first listen to 'I'll Stay With You' I fell in love instantly, and could even sing along by the end, to me that is a sure sign of classic-dom, or whatever! Crystal, Who's Joe, Lost all had the same effect. What I find particularly pleasing about this 'album' (and I think in years to come we will come to see it as the 9th studio album, as it should have been, after all its not that unusual for NO to put out 8 track albums then, is it?) is that after a few listens there are NO (scuse the pun) crap tracks! Yes, I love NO, but even I know that Slow Jam, Rock the Shack, Jetstream and Working Overtime are rubbish and embarrasing. Sugarcane and Recoil are slow burners, but now seem as familiar as Hellbent, which btw I think is FAR superior here than on Total, I dunno why, and I can't put my finger on it, but that's what I think! I can hear Hooky's bass all over this thing, so I don't know where the idea that its being buried is coming from, it certainly isn't on I'll Stay With You and I've Got A Feeling. Californian grass is lovely and I have paired it with Dracula's Castle on my own Sirens, as that's another song I feel gets a bad rap when in fact its a gem. Shake it Up scared me when I saw the title, and sure enough when the song itself starts horrible memories of Shack and Overtime srang to mind.. I couldn't have been more wrong! Shake it Up is how NO should do this type of rocking out song, the synths are amazing, and the chorus is so catchy, and I've seen the other comments here reminding people of Confusion, spot on! Not a huge fan of the original I Told You So, just a good album track I thought, nothing else. The remix however has completely turned that opinion on its head! What a great piece, and the perfect last track on my own Sirens, which, seeing as we all like lists and the like, is here for your perusal..

Who's Joe? I'll Stay With You Waiting For The Siren's Call Sugarcane Krafty Californian Grass Dracula's Castle Hellbent Shake It Up Guilt Is A Useless Emotion I've Got a Feeling Turn I Told You So [lost sirens mix]

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Good post Antoz and totally agree with the sentiment. Other than calling Sugarcane a slow burner. To me you either like or hate within two or three listens. I liked it first time which suggests lots of time later will grow to hate it but who knows. Maybe that's the reason for the title - instant buzz but not written for repeated listening. :)

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Nice piece Antoz :)

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In at 14 on the UK mid week charts. Pretty impressive off the back of virtually no marketing or promotional activity.

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neworderweb.net wrote:

Thanks again wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Thanks again wrote: Amazon say my Vinyl + CD edition has been dispatched but i won't receive it until around February 12th, that's almost a month away, WTF?

I (pre)ordered my Vinyl + CD on Sunday night with super saver delivery and I got an email today saying it will arrive this Saturday 19th.

That's going to rural Scotland as well so not sure what's happened to yours, Johnny!

Just logged into my Amazon account and it actually says there any time between Jan 23rd and Feb 12th whereas the email just says Feb 12th. So ANY time in the next 4 weeks then lol.

Ordered mine from T'amazon last week and it was delivered 2 days later! The fuckwit idiots tried to "shoehorn" the LP into packaging that was far too small and thus damaged it in the process! Sent it back for a full refund! In the meantime i ordered it on MP3 from T'amazon and theyve even fucked that up! downloaded it to my "cloud" but it wont let me download it to my lappy! useless fuckwit bastards! And they say technology is the "future" i beg to differ......

I'm in the USA, and with the street date as 01/22 Amazon says I should get mine by 01/25. DAGGIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've resisted streaming it. I think I can hold out.

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Kelvin wrote: So, who mixed Hellbent for Total, and why didn't they "finish" this release for us? Politics?

LostSirens : StephenStreet and CenzoTownshend Total : JeremyWheatley

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I was most pleasantly surprised by this version of I Told You So, when I read it was a remix I thought they were going to up the cod-reggae by adding coconut shells banging together or summat but the Lost Sirens mix is superb.

Which begs the question why put that awful one on WFTSC?

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JG wrote: In at 14 on the UK mid week charts. Pretty impressive off the back of virtually no marketing or promotional activity.

Sadly in the US it didn't even make the top 200 on I-tunes or Amazon mp3 store, then again they did no promotion at all, it is still not on their official website, i guess they want nothing to do with it, sad VERY sad

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Pitchfork gave it a 6.8 which is not bad at all, usually they are very harsh and trash everything, They have a liking for new order.

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/17532-lost-sirens/

This isn't a new New Order album, exactly. During the long, expensive sessions that produced 2005's Waiting for the Sirens' Call, New Order recorded a small pile of extra material, the idea being that they'd get a few more songs down after the subsequent tour and call it another album. But they stopped playing together after 2006, then bassist Peter Hook left the band acrimoniously, and the two camps spent a few years bickering at one another. However, since the return of keyboardist Gillian Gilbert, they've been touring again as, effectively, an oldies act-- minus Hook. (Their set lists last year featured, typically, all of two post-1993 songs, and encores from the Joy Division catalogue.)

Now, following extended tussles over mixes and copyright, they're finally releasing the leftovers from their final sessions with Hook: six previously unheard songs, plus one remixed Sirens' Call track and the awesome "Hellbent", which appeared on the 2011 Joy Division/New Order singles cash-in, Total. Eight songs in a bit under 40 minutes; that's an EP by 2013 standards, but it's longer than either Movement or Brotherhood.

Singer/guitarist Bernard Sumner has called Lost Sirens "a non-completed album, [the likes of] which we've never released before." That's not necessarily evident from listening to it, and they've certainly released a lot of more ragged material in the past. These are densely packed, finely detailed arrangements in New Order's late-80s rock-with-keyboards mode-- much more recognizable as the work of the band that recorded "Dream Attack" than the one that recorded "Fine Time". Sumner's lyrics are, as usual, almost half-baked a tad more often than they're almost profound, and his voice still sounds exactly as clear, earnest, and likeably strained as it did when he was a babyfaced ex-punk with a ridiculous haircut.

A lot of what made 80s-era New Order special, though, was their perpetual fascination with body music and the culture around it-- the way they always latched onto the dance music of the moment, from the tail-end of disco to Latin freestyle to acid house, and reworked it in their own idiom. Lost Sirens obviously can't suggest much familiarity with what's going on in dance clubs in 2013, and it doesn't suggest what was going on there when it was recorded close to a decade ago; the clock stopped for their groove sense around the time they first broke up. ("Hellbent" would sound totally natural mixed out of Primal Scream's Madchester anthem "Loaded.")

Peter Hook's presence on Lost Sirens is, understandably, somewhat muted-- there are a few of his signature fretless bass solos scattered around the album, but this is very much a guitar-driven, Sumner-centered record. Aside from occasional New Order-y instrumental flourishes, it wouldn't be a surprise to learn that these were actually recordings by Sumner's 90s band, Electronic. Even so, every time Hook's bass rears up in the mix-- the lead to the chorus of "Californian Grass", or the instrumental break in "I've Got a Feeling"-- it's a reminder of how well Sumner, Hook, and Stephen Morris always played together, and how their collaboration had an instrumental identity as distinctive as any band's. It's worth noting that the titles of both of those songs echo the Beatles' postponed, bickered-over swan song, Let It Be.

"It's been 10 long years since I've been home," begins "I Told You So", the one song here reprised from Sirens' Call. (The very different mix here sounds more like a rewrite of "All Tomorrow's Parties".) That's a doubly barbed line in this context, made more so by how Sumner follows it a moment later: "It's an occupation I don't like/ But it pays the rent and turns on the light." Maybe New Order have some more albums in them; maybe with Gilbert back in the fold they'll recast themselves as a singles act again. Maybe not. These remnants of their most recent burst of creative fecundity are a decent way for them to go out, if they are indeed going to be playing the hits to pay the rent from here on out. As an album, Lost Sirens isn't at all an embarrassment: it's a document of a band whose range and reach, rather than power, are what has been diminished.

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Linus Solanki wrote:

JG wrote: In at 14 on the UK mid week charts. Pretty impressive off the back of virtually no marketing or promotional activity.

Sadly in the US it didn't even make the top 200 on I-tunes or Amazon mp3 store, then again they did no promotion at all, it is still not on their official website, i guess they want nothing to do with it, sad VERY sad

Not expected to be a chart topper but maybe you should wait until after the January 22nd release date before making your sad lament.

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Linus Solanki wrote: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/17532-lost-sirens/

"However, since the return of keyboardist Gillian Gilbert, they've been touring again as, effectively, an oldies act-- minus Hook. (Their set lists last year featured, typically, all of two post-1993 songs, and encores from the Joy Division catalogue.)"

It's interesting that they take New Order to task on this point, considering Hooky's sets. And they played five post-1993 tracks, not two.

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Andy wrote:

Linus Solanki wrote:

JG wrote: In at 14 on the UK mid week charts. Pretty impressive off the back of virtually no marketing or promotional activity.

Sadly in the US it didn't even make the top 200 on I-tunes or Amazon mp3 store, then again they did no promotion at all, it is still not on their official website, i guess they want nothing to do with it, sad VERY sad

Not expected to be a chart topper but maybe you should wait until after the January 22nd release date before making your sad lament.

I guess you are right but the mp3 are already available to buy on i-tunes and amazon, they came out on Jan 15.

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Linus Solanki wrote:

Andy wrote:

Linus Solanki wrote:

JG wrote: In at 14 on the UK mid week charts. Pretty impressive off the back of virtually no marketing or promotional activity.

Sadly in the US it didn't even make the top 200 on I-tunes or Amazon mp3 store, then again they did no promotion at all, it is still not on their official website, i guess they want nothing to do with it, sad VERY sad

Not expected to be a chart topper but maybe you should wait until after the January 22nd release date before making your sad lament.

I guess you are right

Stop making that face, another spoonfull of strained carrots is coming your way.

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