The Lost Sirens

Housey wrote: Am I the only one here who couldn't care less if this gets a release or not? Sirens was uneven at best and these are the tracks that didn't make the cut for that. If these were the Low-life out-takes, that would be different.

No, you're not the only one.

Anyone who's genuinely getting 'excited' about this must be fucking mental though.

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: it's kind of like missing your favourite football team's match the night before, they won 1-0 but all the reports say it was a really crap game won with a really crap, scrappy goal. But you still want to see the goal.

I see this more as a 5-0 defeat, rather than a 1-0 victory.

But you still have to see the highlights, just to have a proper good moan. [eek3]

El Jarvo wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: it's kind of like missing your favourite football team's match the night before, they won 1-0 but all the reports say it was a really crap game won with a really crap, scrappy goal. But you still want to see the goal.

I see this more as a 5-0 defeat, rather than a 1-0 victory.

But you still have to see the highlights, just to have a proper good moan. [eek3]

Naah, more like being recommended to try a new restaurant and then finding out it's shite and still paying the bill. But in this case paying for it beforehand.

NotAMod wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: Anyone who's genuinely getting 'excited' about this must be fucking mental though.

Excited is probably the wrong word, I would say curious more than anything else.

At the moment LS is looking to be the final collaboration between Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris and Peter Hook.

After following the band for 20-30 years (15 in my case) if that doesn't deserve a listen then I don't know what does

Fair?

I'm curious....but we've been waiting for so long...

We've already got the Low-life out-takes and they consist of an 18 minute version of Elegia, a rough instrumental version of Sunrise and four half baked & badly recorded instrumentals for the Salvation! soundtrack. They're out there - some are even on the 2008 reissue bonus disc - so go and find them if you want to hear them.

Strictly speaking the Salvation session was a seperate thing a year or so later, however the original 'Let's Go' WAS part of the Low Life sessions (also in circulation in various slightly different versions).

NotAMod wrote: Something "new" should be grasped with both hands, in my opinion.

You never know, it might have something to get your foot tapping.

Hopefully you're right, and I'm wrong.

El Jarvo wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: it's kind of like missing your favourite football team's match the night before, they won 1-0 but all the reports say it was a really crap game won with a really crap, scrappy goal. But you still want to see the goal.

I see this more as a 5-0 defeat, rather than a 1-0 victory.

But you still have to see the highlights, just to have a proper good moan. [eek3]

My interest in it was lost a long time ago All the interest,waiting,expectation for it and it'll be shite

Like finding out a bird youve fancied for ages doesnt do anal on the first date...

Gazman wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: it's kind of like missing your favourite football team's match the night before, they won 1-0 but all the reports say it was a really crap game won with a really crap, scrappy goal. But you still want to see the goal.

I see this more as a 5-0 defeat, rather than a 1-0 victory.

But you still have to see the highlights, just to have a proper good moan. [eek3]

My interest in it was lost a long time ago All the interest,waiting,expectation for it and it'll be shite

Like finding out a bird youve fancied for ages doesnt do anal on the first date...

That is so annoying isn't it!

I reckon when it comes out we,ll be able to make a great sirens album. Wftsc could do without jet stream,this should have been single only. Overtime should have been b side only and morning night and day is my least favourite no record and should have never been released. So if lost sirens has 3 good tracks as good as wftsc, Krafty or turn we,re on a winner.

Remember lost sirens is not wftsc outages it was going to form the next album.

I've lost interest since the new material was announced really. Remember it had been the band's creatively weakest era and the two songs we have confirmed aren't promising - let's face it, hellbent is weak and we wouldn't be listening to it twice if it were by any other band and tle less is said about ITYS the better. I'll probably be buying it, but more of a sense of duty than anything else. Of course, they may yet surprise.

Jul wrote: I've lost interest since the new material was announced really. Remember it had been the band's creatively weakest era and the two songs we have confirmed aren't promising - let's face it, hellbent is weak and we wouldn't be listening to it twice if it were by any other band and tle less is said about ITYS the better. I'll probably be buying it, but more of a sense of duty than anything else. Of course, they may yet surprise.

Like GAZMAN's bird?

Digi Mike wrote:

Jul wrote: I've lost interest since the new material was announced really. Remember it had been the band's creatively weakest era and the two songs we have confirmed aren't promising - let's face it, hellbent is weak and we wouldn't be listening to it twice if it were by any other band and tle less is said about ITYS the better. I'll probably be buying it, but more of a sense of duty than anything else. Of course, they may yet surprise.

Like GAZMAN's bird?

😄

Jul wrote: hellbent is weak

wrong. hellbent is fantastic. if it had come out on Technique or Republic you would have jizzed yr pants.

tarbox23 wrote:

Jul wrote: hellbent is weak

wrong. hellbent is fantastic. if it had come out on Technique or Republic you would have jizzed yr pants.

For me, Hellbent is, by New Order standards, poor, it would have made a decent b-side but of the 6 songs on Lost Sirens we have yet to hear there will surely be at least two really good songs, maybe two fairly good ones and two weak ones....😕

tarbox23 wrote:

Jul wrote: hellbent is weak

wrong. hellbent is fantastic. if it had come out on Technique or Republic you would have jizzed yr pants.

I also love Hellbent it is a great song, it is not a classic like the other NO songs but still great, it is better than anything Depeche mode or the cure have released lately.

tarbox23 wrote:

Jul wrote: hellbent is weak

wrong. hellbent is fantastic. if it had come out on Technique or Republic you would have jizzed yr pants.

It's a solid track, but I don't think it was appropriate to it tack onto the end of the Total "best of" compilation.

I can't imagine it fitting in on Republic or Technique. It sounds more like Twisted Tenderness-Brutal-Get Ready era to me.

Hellbent a "strong" track?

Fuck me i've heard it all now,its wanker than barry wankowski the inbred,cornfed,serial masturbator from wanksville Tennessee,its even worse than working overtime........

Why?

He WAS touring Joy Division. At least Joy Division don't exist anymore. He's been touring the JD nostalgia show for three years. Now he's run out of JD stuff, it's onto New Order. At least the singer of JD is dead and can't sing anymore, and there isn't a JD. So even with the whole tenuous link of Bass-Player-Singing-Songs-He-Didn't-Originally-Sing-and-Not-Playing-The-Instrument-He-Played-On-The-Records which seemed a bit of a loose connection to the original JD band, he's now in the whole Bass-Player-Singing-Songs-He-Didn't-Originally-Sing-and-Not-Playing-The-Instrument-He-Played-On-The-Records-Even-Though-The-Original-Singer-Is-Still-Alive-And-The-Band-Are-Actually-Together position.

How would we feel if it wasn't Hooky? If say, it was another band. If it was Jason-Newsted ex-Metallica touring one of their albums? It's a desperate move. Or perhaps someone who used to be guitarist in Whitesnake trying to sing some of their drivel. Think of something else to do Hooky. We don't need Faux New Order when the actual New Order are touring. And if I had to pick between Hooky and Barney singing New Order, Barneys a better singer. Always has been. It's not too far until we get the Peter-Hook-performs-The-Other-Two-And-You in 2023.

Lets not mention Rowetta fucking murdering the songs. You might as well have Lady-Gaga-sings-Nirvana.

For heavens sake, Hooky, I've never wanted you to be anything less than a success, but seeing you perform a set full of New Order songs with a bunch of mostly Sleeperblokes, singing songs you never sang, and not playing bass, is a bloody horrific idea. I've seen Frankenbands trying to cover old songs when there's only the singer, or the accountant, left, and it is a degrading sight to the songs. I don't want imagine Hooky and The Blokes trying to growl their way through "Blue Monday". I might as well go and see Howling Mad Frank down the local pub karoke over the 12".

LET IT GO, HOOKY.

Write new songs, record new songs, tour new songs, and play some old ones at the same time, and I wish you every success in the matter, but STOP LIVING IN THE PAST, stop selling bricks and bits of ground up old beer cans from a club that closed 15 years ago, and stop trying to make a buck out of being the worlds only tribute act to Who You Were Thirty Years Ago.

If I wanted to see New Order, I'd go see New Order.

A good point indeed and personally I can't take Rowetta seriously as it sounds like some kind of weird parody musical (oh crap, I don't want to give Hooky ideas about Joy Division The Musical). Having said that no one stopped Frusciante touring Joy Division and he did an OK job of it. It will be interesting to hear the new Face Up if Hooky gets as far as the Low-life Brotherhood tour, although by then he'll have fallen out with Rowetta and had to recruit another X-Factor wannabe...

I'll Stay With You will be the pick of this little lot. Can't wait to hear it.

Could RE-ORDER just make up some TUNES and PRETEND that these are the LOST SIRENs stuff.That would SUREly be ENOUGH. Plenty of Cowbells please.

It's not too far until we get the Peter-Hook-performs-The-Other-Two-And-You in 2023.

For the record, I would TOTALLY go see this.

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I received the same email this morning. Meh.

I almost don't care if it comes out or not. The way I see it is that Hooky is holding a record I've never heard by a band I love ransom to please his bank balance : why not, for example, release it, and have ALL the royalties held in Escrow pending any court case settlement. It's been over a year since the first release date, and a year long world tour by the band (the longest tour they have done since 1987) which could've promoted the album didn't. Well. When it comes out, I'll buy it. Until then, I won't.

markreed wrote: I almost don't care if it comes out or not. The way I see it is that Hooky is holding a record I've never heard by a band I love ransom to please his bank balance : why not, for example, release it, and have ALL the royalties held in Escrow pending any court case settlement. It's been over a year since the first release date, and a year long world tour by the band (the longest tour they have done since 1987) which could've promoted the album didn't. Well. When it comes out, I'll buy it. Until then, I won't.

AH, but markreed - that would require... (shock, horror)... COMPROMISE! Great idea, though.

Who really cares. Every New Order release has been 'lame', they have always been a live band

Thanks But No Thanks wrote:

Housey wrote: Am I the only one here who couldn't care less if this gets a release or not? Sirens was uneven at best and these are the tracks that didn't make the cut for that. If these were the Low-life out-takes, that would be different.

it's kind of like missing your favourite football team's match the night before, they won 1-0 but all the reports say it was a really crap game won with a really crap, scrappy goal. But you still want to see the goal.

Absolutely! With Hellbent (Brutal's retarded little brother) as the fanfare no one's expecting an epiphany. But 6 songs is far from negligible given that they were never the most productive band in the world. I'm doubtless gonna buy it, give it a few listens then file under 'Revenge'.