Be A Rebel

negative1 wrote:

i think it proves:

3. the band isn't doing anything else, besides books and interviews, and not many people are talking about that

Mm. What about THE CHRISTMAS RANGE!

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Andy wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Crikey!

Talk about being a fun-sponge.

Yet still exhibits more enthusiasm than Skunkhouse.

We need militant voices like MM's + others or they'll sit on their arses doing podcasts and talking about the past for the rest of their days. A mediocre single after 5 years that sounds like Sophie EllisBextor isnt a good sign and reckon that's it as far as new material goes.

I think Music Complete was done to show PH they could still do it but thats it now - pipe and slippers time.

Johnny James wrote:

No, it's because Bernard kept tweaking it after the vinyl had been cut. The lead-in times are so long for vinyl and he wasn't done with it.

So those of us who paid f**k-all for the download have got a more "complete music" than those who forked out for the vinyl. Lovely.

negative1 wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

PS 10 pages of discussion of one track. Most of it positive too (although negative opinions are good too). That’s pretty decent and proves that we all still love the band.

i think it proves:

1. there's nothing else new to talk about
2. the discussion about all the tracks in power corruption lies boxset has come to an end, even though there's a lot more to discuss there
3. the band isn't doing anything else, besides books and interviews, and not many people are talking about that

this just happened to be convenient, because its the first new/old music from them in a long time.

later -1

I don't always agree with -1 but he has some fair points. Somewhere on here I mentioned that an AOC writing session makes the hairs on my arms stand up in a way that BAR just doesn't. I stand by that. Also thinking back to Music Complete, I don't think any of the album tracks had ten pages of thread dedicated to them, and yet most of those tracks are better than this one. Now if Unlearn This Hatred or Nothing But A Fool had just been released for the first time, I would personally be much more excited than I currently am...

BazG wrote:

What about THE CHRISTMAS RANGE!

Haha! Hooky mentioned that Bernard realised the power of the NO name during the Bad Loo period. The branded wallets, bags and PCL socks certainly show that NO aren't afraid to cash in on the name these days.

tapebias wrote:

We need militant voices like MM's + others or they'll sit on their arses doing podcasts and talking about the past for the rest of their days. A mediocre single after 5 years that sounds like Sophie EllisBextor isnt a good sign and reckon that's it as far as new material goes.

I think Music Complete was done to show PH they could still do it but thats it now - pipe and slippers time.

As you allude to in your own comments those militant voices probably aren't gonna stop "pipe and slippers time". I suspect Bernard et al will listen to us about as much as they listen to social media comments saying "bury the hatchet with Hooky". If everyone said "Im not gonna buy another NO gig ticket until they release a new album", it might have an effect. But we have two hopes of that happening. And Bob Hope is already a gonner...

Debaser wrote:

Johnny James wrote:

No, it's because Bernard kept tweaking it after the vinyl had been cut. The lead-in times are so long for vinyl and he wasn't done with it.

So those of us who paid f**k-all for the download have got a more "complete music" than those who forked out for the vinyl. Lovely.

You got the download for free? I’m assuming from a filesharing site then? Fair play, I’ve done that many times before.

I bought the vinyl and it had a download code for the different mixes that Bernard tweaked the guitar parts on to, the “ complete music “ versions.

I wouldn't disagree with what -1 is saying.

I think I was just trying to see the positives out of this. 10 pages is pretty good for a thread on these boards. There's so little being discussed 'round here these days, with only a handful of us regularly posting. Imagine if either Be A Rebel or the PC&L set hadn't been released this year. I'm not sure where our energies would've been focussed on. Probably not on these boards, sadly.

As I mentioned, all comments are good, both positive and negative. It's just great to have some discussion.

negative1 - My 'fun sponge' comment was made with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
I was just jokingly reacting to the fact that you'd brought me back down to Earth with a bump, using a good solid dose of 'fact'. :-)

If everyone said "Im not gonna buy another NO gig ticket until they release a new album", it might have an effect. But we have two hopes of that happening. And Bob Hope is already a gonner...

I boycotted NO gigs from 2006 and their next album was Lost Sirens so that kind of backfired and I haven't been back as it's much the same (apart from MIF).

The only thing I've bought since was Music Complete on CD. No box sets/12" reissues, or PCL socks so I'm probably not their target market. I might buy Steve's book though.

Debaser wrote:

Fotz wrote: Is that a short clip from a video for the song on their Facebook?

Oh, I see...

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Ah. I just saw that on Facebook and was wondering...

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perspexorange wrote: I wouldn't disagree with what -1 is saying.

I think I was just trying to see the positives out of this. 10 pages is pretty good for a thread on these boards. There's so little being discussed 'round here these days, with only a handful of us regularly posting. Imagine if either Be A Rebel or the PC&L set hadn't been released this year. I'm not sure where our energies would've been focussed on. Probably not on these boards, sadly.

As I mentioned, all comments are good, both positive and negative. It's just great to have some discussion.

negative1 - My 'fun sponge' comment was made with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
I was just jokingly reacting to the fact that you'd brought me back down to Earth with a bump, using a good solid dose of 'fact'. :-)

there would still be 10 pages of discussion between just the few people that constantly post. like us, because we talk about little detail.

half of these pages are filled with. when is it coming out, i ordered it, i got it, i hate it, etc........ so that's not really adding much.

as far as discussion goes, we're discussing the discussion of the discussion. kinda meta right.

anyways, back to cataloging tracks.

later -1

perspexorange wrote: If anyone has access to a reasonable scanner, and also has the vinyl, any chance of a scan of the Mute sticker? There’s a sample photo a page or so back, which gives an idea of what it’s like. Would just be nice to get an actual scan.

There is a scan on the discogs entry

No comment.

GotBlueEyes wrote:

perspexorange wrote: If anyone has access to a reasonable scanner, and also has the vinyl, any chance of a scan of the Mute sticker? There’s a sample photo a page or so back, which gives an idea of what it’s like. Would just be nice to get an actual scan.

There is a scan on the discogs entry

Thanks for that. Appreciated.

I didn't think to look there. D'oh!

I also got a scan from Fotz.

Nice mention on the front page of Pitchfork.

I somehow missed this article when it came out in 2016. Makes me think even less of Hook (as if that were possible).

Great article. Thanks for the link. I hadn't read it before.

To be honest, a lot of what was said regarding Hooky wasn't news to me, and I'm pleased that (again) she didn't use this interview to be particularly critical of him. She just used it as a platform to defend her contribution (and bloody right too!).

What I took away from the article most was what a remarkable human being she is. She put in the long hours and helped define the band both musically and (as Johnny Marr so rightly stated recently) their image.

Then, in later life, she's had to put up with criticism from a fellow bandmate (not to mention a few fans). All this, whilst having to fight Cancer, having a child with a significant illness / disability (*), and having to leave behind something in her life that was (presumably) massively important to her.

She's a class act. For sure.

(*) No easy feat. Take it from me. :-)

Wow, just noticed the following.

Note the joining date and post count.

Separated at birth?

perspexorange wrote: She's a class act.

She's always been my favorite member, hands-down.

(Monkhouse, no jokes about your hands on your member, please.)

Video first view- What was that all about? What does it all mean?

Second view- nope, still can’t relate or interpret

Third view some hours later after a few beers - fuck it, it’s quite cool either way.

Though the scenes where the woman is surrounded by ghostly sheeted figures reminds of a nightmare I had as a kid, ghostly figures in sheets surrounding my bed. Woah.

I've just finished watching the video for the first time and I must admit that I like it quite a lot! Be a Rebel remains a weak song to my ears but this video works quite well with it and adds some substance (...) to it. A good surprise!

Fotz wrote: Video first view- What was that all about? What does it all mean?

Second view- nope, still can’t relate or interpret

Third view some hours later after a few beers - fuck it, it’s quite cool either way.

Though the scenes where the woman is surrounded by ghostly sheeted figures reminds of a nightmare I had as a kid, ghostly figures in sheets surrounding my bed. Woah.

The "official explanation..."

The music video follows a young couple trapped in a state of purgatory, the woman informing her former lover that she has met someone else. The synths begin to swell he lays in a bed looking off in despair, the woman sitting a desk anxious to get out. She shoots him with an arrow, the video depicting his sense of heartbreak at their ending relationship. A disc slips out of his chest as the track continues its enthusiastic synths, the two soon dancing in colorful hues.

Sort of got lost with the last sentence.

It’s a reasonable effort, IMO, but not something I’m going to rush to watch again.

I quite liked some of the imagery, especially the ‘emotions’ written on the floor, like gaping chasms.

It kind of reminded me of the ‘Restless’ video. Both of them are the same sort of ‘playful bollocks’, as I like to call things like this. Fun, but frivolous.

perspexorange wrote: It’s a reasonable effort, IMO, but not something I’m going to rush to watch again.

I quite liked some of the imagery, especially the ‘emotions’ written on the floor, like gaping chasms.

It kind of reminded me of the ‘Restless’ video. Both of them are the same sort of ‘playful bollocks’, as I like to call things like this. Fun, but frivolous.

I think they are doing these type of loud colorful videos for maybe get the younger viewers attention but I prefer the WFTSC call video where the boy is running around in UK in a small town with the nice scenery, I would have loved it if the shot the video in Manchester with the old building and the old cobble streets on a grey wet day.

More to the point - it's yet another edit/mix of the song. The first 30 seconds or so are different to the regular single edit - albeit pretty much identical thereafter

50poundnote wrote:

perspexorange wrote: She's a class act.

She's always been my favorite member, hands-down.

(Monkhouse, no jokes about your hands on your member, please.)

I only put my hands down my pants for one celebrity "musician", and she's a scouser in a tracksuit. The fact that I now have a 150 foot restraining order just because i repeatedly offered to spice up her life is neither here nor there. Cos I'm in Rome which is waaay more than 150 feet from Sporty's house!

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Debaser wrote:

50poundnote wrote:

perspexorange wrote: She's a class act.

She's always been my favorite member, hands-down.

(Monkhouse, no jokes about your hands on your member, please.)

I only put my hands down my pants for one celebrity "musician", and she's a scouser in a tracksuit. The fact that I now have a 150 foot restraining order just because i repeatedly offered to spice up her life is neither here nor there. Cos I'm in Rome which is waaay more than 150 feet from Sporty's house!

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This made me laugh.

The game is up now. You've been found out.

Linus Solanki wrote:

perspexorange wrote: It’s a reasonable effort, IMO, but not something I’m going to rush to watch again.

I quite liked some of the imagery, especially the ‘emotions’ written on the floor, like gaping chasms.

It kind of reminded me of the ‘Restless’ video. Both of them are the same sort of ‘playful bollocks’, as I like to call things like this. Fun, but frivolous.

I think they are doing these type of loud colorful videos for maybe get the younger viewers attention

Yeah i get what you mean about the Restless vid, some of it did seem to be trying to appeal to a younger audience.

perspexorange wrote: This made me laugh.

The game is up now. You've been found out.

Me too! 😂 😂 😂

GotBlueEyes wrote: More to the point - it's yet another edit/mix of the song. The first 30 seconds or so are different to the regular single edit - albeit pretty much identical thereafter

No it's not. It's the single edit, but with a thunderclap overlaid at the start with the music slightly lower and reverberated during the sound effect. Probably done during the production of the video for (who knows) "dramatic" effect. Not a different edit or mix of the song, just a common trick some video directors add at the start or end of videos.

Mark Reeder time? Gotta be.

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EDIT: Looks like tomorrows package of mixes will be subtitled [Remixes pt1] suggesting more mixes to follow.

I've heard about 5 mins of the Maceo Plex (!) remix. It certainly kicks more ass than the original. Although Bernard's vocal is perhaps a bit too high and bright in the mix - at least until the vox drop out for quite long periods. I thought it was Neil Tennant for a moment! Alas Maceo can't resist a nod to Blue Monday (the Kraftwerk bit). This has been done by other NO remixers in the past. Maybe NO need to issue an edict to remixers: No more nods to BM. Maceo has enough ideas of his own, he doesn't need to do this. But overall it's still worth a listen. Oh also the "Be A Rebel" line is backwards. How very Dave Clarke!

☝️ Actually we may have to wait a bit longer for Reeder's mix. I think we're getting: Bernard's outlaw mix. Not the most exciting.

Paul Woolford Mix. Starts ok and then gets better. Manages to remind me of both PSB and Dead Or Alive (percussion/claps).

Maceo Plex mix As described in my post above.