Introductions

Personally, I find the intros to certain New Order songs to be the highlight of the record. Has any mouse got any faves?

Of the 2 million I could have picked.. mine are:

State of the Nation (fucking great sound) The Perfect Kiss 12" (such a build up.. its unfair) Procession (sends shiver up my spinal coloumn)

and so on. In a strange twist of fate, I find the 'intro' raw energy of the 'Rock n' Shove the Shovels' song of Getting my Things Ready to be a classic... very dirty and beefy like beef jerkin.

Perhaps the song 'Running Gene Wilder' has a suitably unassuming intro worthy of note.

Hmm... Lots to choose from indeed...

As It Is When It Was Love Vingilantes Regret Procession Blue Monday, of course Sub-Culture

Hurt Age of Consent Blue Monday Bizarre Love Triangle (Substance mix) Fine Time Round and Round Crystal

Yeah, Perfect Kiss 12" of course...

And Someone totally like me Lonesome Tonight !!! Age Of Consent Leave Me Tonight

Damn, I can't stop myself

That might lead to a subthread : best bass intro :

Age Of Consent Lonesome Tonight

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 HurtAge of ConsentBlue MondayBizarre Love Triangle (Substance mix)Fine TimeRound and RoundCrystal

Crystal ?! To me, the song would be perfect if not for the intro. Or The album version with the single inteo.

True faith Procession Round and Round Blue Monday Regret 60mph Age of COnsent TBTHOG Paradise LWTUA

This sudden and unexpected outpouring of praise for Timbuktu, Huntsy, just about leaves me speechless.

I was thinking about this last night - in terms of what I would really like them to open with tonight (but of course they won't). Procession would be great, that shimmering synth build-up, or maybe even 60mph. Most of my favourite gigs seem to have opened with Sooner Than You Think or Sunrise though. Sunrise gets my vote.

True Faith BLT (Substance version) Temptation Dreams Never End TBTHOG (98 Peel & Current Live version) Lonessome Tonight

What about another subthread of best Hooky Bass solo? Gotta be either Regret or Your Silent Face or the end of 1963.

Pat I do now admit I now have a problem. RTS, is it a known disease?

Your resistance didn't last long Huntsy. Was it the email which did it?

Yes, it's incurable, Huntsy. Once you get it it never goes away. But those who have it don't complain. They actually prefer their infected state.

Originally posted by Patrick Yes, it's incurable, Huntsy. Once you get it it never goes away. But those who have it don't complain. They actually prefer their infected state.

the 12" version of 1963 has the best intro ever, the elctronic chords remind me of Manchester, and growing up in that city. I guess it just means a lot to me.

Hello... my name is Huntsman.

'I am a Rock the Shalcoholic'

By the way, Huntsy, I believe we had an unfinished conversation on the composition, preparation, and naming of Pringles. Are you recalling of all that stuffing?

Sorry Pat... the time differences usually stop our chat just as they're taking off.

I think I was agreeing with you that in the future, our children may say 'do you want to go to the shops to buy a bag of pringles' instead of 'bag of crisps or chips'.

Crisps have been the long-standing name of, e rm, crisps in the UK for over one million years b.c. so for pringles to change all that, well, it would be a very powerful day for us all. I have been to the states and noticed that your shops are filled with odd 'sacks' of chips i.e. in the UK our bag is about 25grams whereas your sacks contain about 1Kg. Couldn't for the life of me find a bag that could be easily digestible within a couple of minutes. Perhaps the small (or standard UK bags) were outlawed by the US fatty contingent?

Well Patty we're fated with this conversation... it's the Captain's hometime right now so I'm off for me tea.

I will look out in the morrow for inclusions within this thread and take up the mantle soon.

Originally posted by Geoffroy Klompkes That might lead to a subthread : best bass intro :Age Of ConsentLonesome Tonight

Erm... how about Sunrise then?

Originally posted by Pitch > Originally posted by Geoffroy Klompkes> > That might lead to a subthread : best bass intro :> > Age Of Consent> Lonesome Tonight

Erm... how about Sunrise then?

Well, you're right, Pitch.

Sunrise is a great song, they'll never play it live though. Its like at the Glasgow gig on Sunday where the guy behind me shouted for Love Vigilantes after every bloody song. Of course, I knew it wasn't on the set-list but he was a big bloke so I didn't want to upset him.

PS - on the crisps thread of earlier, I'm afraid Pringles must bow down before the might of McCoys. Pringles pop, McCoys rock.

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To my eternal pride, I got a shout-out right once, and was "credited" by Hooky !

Birmingham Tower Ballroom 86, if you have the gig you can hear someone shout out "Broken Promise". Hooky says "someone got it right, bastards been cheating!" -and promptly launched into the bass intro. I hadn't seen the set, I was just hoping. I suppose law of averages has to come into it every so often, though in my defence it wasn't as though they'd played the night before so it was a perm 12 from 18 scenario like we used to get on alternate nights.

There are so many things to say about chips, crisps, and Pringles. We do actually have very small bags of potato chips, but they are not sold everywhere. The smallest bags are about 50 cents per bag.

Far more interesting is the composition of Pringles as compared to potato chips. Am I hallucinating in thinking that some U.S. federal agency (F.D.A.?) would not have allowed Pringles to call themselves "potato chips" because they are made from ground up potato flakes (and corn meal to boot!) rather than intact potato slices?

Is the composition of Pringles part of their appeal for you Huntsy? What about the fact that each one is perfectly formed and shaped exactly the same as every other? This characteristic is of course inextricably tied to the composition factor. What about the fact that they come in a tube, rather than a bag? So many questions, so little time.

I look forward to the answers, Huntsy.

Apart from all other great intros mentioned, I'd like to bring Thieves Like Us to attention. It has a lovely intro. And a really long one too.

I actually thought about how much I liked NO's intros, when I wrote that post about Get Ready.

YES!! Quite right! Maria and I both share the same song: "Thieves Like Us" has got to have the most swoonsome intro of all: it sounds just like the aural equivalent of a gorgeous sunny day dawning. Can't say fairer than that! Other contenders: "Your Silent Face"; "Vanishing Point" ; "Regret" ; "Dreams Never End" ; "Ceremony" (green sleeve 12").

Now How about New Order Endings?

The top contender HAS GOT TO BE "The Perfect Kiss" ( 12" mix ): wow what a fucking colossal orgasm of fuck off synthesised wall of sound that has got to be.....OooooH gives me goosebumps every time.!!!!!

Other contenders: "Bizarre Love Triangle" (LP version) "Sunrise"; "State of The Nation" (12") ; "Every Little Counts" ; "Ceremony" (Green Sleeve 12"); "Run" ; "In A Lonely Place" (Chilling!)

What are everybody else's faves?

YES!! Quite right! Maria and I both share the same song: "Thieves Like Us" has got to have the most swoonsome intro of all: it sounds just like the aural equivalent of a gorgeous sunny day dawning. Can't say fairer than that! Other contenders: "Your Silent Face"; "Vanishing Point" ; "Regret" ; "Dreams Never End" ; "Ceremony" (green sleeve 12") ; and "The Perfect Kiss" (12")

Now How about New Order Endings?

The top contender HAS GOT TO BE "The Perfect Kiss" ( 12" mix ): wow what a fucking colossal orgasm of fuck off synthesised wall of sound that has got to be.....OooooH gives me goosebumps every time.!!!!!

Other contenders: "Bizarre Love Triangle" (LP version) "Sunrise"; "State of The Nation" (12") ; "Every Little Counts" ; "Ceremony" (Green Sleeve 12"); "Run" ; "In A Lonely Place" (Chilling!)

What are everybody else's faves?

Endings? Hmm, Blue Monday, Regret, The Him, Fine Time (the sheeps bleating)

As for JD song beginnings, Dead Souls and No Love Lost spring to mind

I can't believe nobody has mentioned the intro to 5 8 6!! The greatest intro of any song EVER never mind just New Order. The way the bleakness gives way to the majestic footstomping beats is pure aural pleasure, especially late at night or in an enclosed echoing space!!

Originally posted by Muffy I can't believe nobody has mentioned the intro to 5 8 6!! The greatest intro of any song EVER never mind just New Order. The way the bleakness gives way to the majestic footstomping beats is pure aural pleasure, especially late at night or in an enclosed echoing space!!

I can't believe I actually forgot that!! I don't know which I like best though, the one on Peel Sessions or the one on PCL. I think it has to be the PCL version..

586; are you talking about that first 1:45 that I always skip?

Originally posted by Patrick 586; are you talking about that first 1:45 that I always skip?

Patrick, I can't believe you said that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skip THAT intro, what the fuck is going on in the world.................

Okay, Muffy, I'll give it some further listens in view of your strongly held positives.

Patty cakes... trust in the Muffbox, 5-8-6 is a truly awesome spectacle to behold. Play it only at high volumes with the bass up so high it'll curl your toes up.

So P, I've made the effort to answer some of the crazy crisp questions on me birds bomber.

Could it be true that they really weren't allowed to call themselves crisps instead opting for the odd pringles title? - perhaps, like the band abba, pringles is the name of the inventor... ? he might have been called keith pringle?

I take note of your ingredients... powerful material they have used.

God darn it I've been ordered to bed with me bird to curl up and watch 'Band of Brothers' - the epic World War II adventure which sees our American friends win every aspect of each battle with scant regard for any factual basis... great stuff. After all, who wants to see a Frenchy or Brit stick it to a Germoid when someone that looks like Bradley Pit can do it with far more finesse. It won't be long before history tells us only America fought in WWII, forgetting even the Germoids?!!!

Oh no, I've gone on a rant and its all gone hideously pear shaped and not right. Okay that's it, my bird has ordered me to log-off!!! (such a nineties term).

Lonesome Tonight Bizarre Love Triangle (the super extended mix on Out of Order) Your Silent Face Love Vigilantes Perfect Kiss Sooner than you think Regret Thieves like us. Confusion instrumental Subculture. I can play the intro to the razormaid mix of Subculture on the piano. I should the keyboardist for NewOrder!

You mean movies made up facts? I remember reading with amusement the uproar (is that the right word?) over "U-571", which basically credits us with something the British did (recovery of the German code system).

Muffy and Huntsy, believe me, I LOVE 586, just not that first 1:45. I gave it another listen last night, and I'm still inclined to skip that intro.

However, while sampling the back catalog, I was also reminded that Face up is just about perfect; people don't seem to mention that one very much. Why is that, guys? "Guess what I'm going to do to you" is one of my favorite NO lines.

Originally posted by Patrick Muffy and Huntsy, believe me, I LOVE 586, just not that first 1:45. I gave it another listen last night, and I'm still inclined to skip that intro.However, while sampling the back catalog, I was also reminded that Face up is just about perfect; people don't seem to mention that one very much. Why is that, guys? "Guess what I'm going to do to you" is one of my favorite NO lines.

Personally, I especially the moment the Face Up intro finishes and the song speeds up.

I was playing Facing Upto Things just the other day on top volume and that song is a freak of nature. The beginning few synth 'Aohhh' choir sample fellas are awesome coupled with Morris's horrendously overblown bass drums reverbed up their own arse and back.

This song actually sounds like a party going on.

Make no mistake... Face Out is a belter.

While were on the subject of things that are not gassed about a great deal.. what about Barney's simply awesome singing on THAT version of Subculture. Absolutely filthy.... I love it.

Glad to hear all these good things about Face Down (on the floor mix); also good words about Submuncher are always welcome. Are you commenting about Low Flying version as compared to Sundance version, Huntsy?

The Lowest Life-form version. The singing really does defy any musical logic and as such, remains yet another New Order oddity... the kind that keeps them so appealing.

On the subject of bad things... Rock Dirt has now moved (IMHO) from a bad song that's bad to a song that's so bad its good.

Which is always a bonus.

Since Substratum was released, I've tended not to listen to the Loafer version of Submulcher, but I'll give it a listen to see what you mean, Huntsy.

On Get Up Jack, I'm just pleased at the evolution of your thoughts, no matter what words you use to express it.

Originally posted by Huntsman Personally, I find the intros to certain New Order songs to be the highlight of the record. Has any mouse got any faves?Of the 2 million I could have picked.. mine are:State of the Nation (fucking great sound)The Perfect Kiss 12" (such a build up.. its unfair)Procession (sends shiver up my spinal coloumn)and so on. In a strange twist of fate, I find the 'intro' raw energy of the 'Rock n' Shove the Shovels' song of Getting my Things Ready to be a classic... very dirty and beefy like beef jerkin.

Come to terms with it Huntsy, ITS GREAT!!!

Originally posted by Huntsman Hello... my name is Huntsman.'I am a Rock the Shalcoholic'

Maybe you should come with me to Alcoholics Unanimous

I've sacked Graham White... no taste in music.

Doesn't the "Low-life" version of subculture have a great big monster of an ending? I seem to remember the band themselves have noted the compensatory element involved here ("big endings, little dicks"). Oh, and "Lonesome Tonite" has a pretty fucking glorious last few mins as well, don'tcherthink??

M.

Originally posted by martin fradley Doesn't the "Low-life" version of subculture have a great big monster of an ending? I seem to remember the band themselves have noted the compensatory element involved here ("big endings, little dicks"). Oh, and "Lonesome Tonite" has a pretty fucking glorious last few mins as well, don'tcherthink??M.

To me, Lonesome Tonight is fucking glorious from beginning to end.

R-T-S-C-F-H-P, Find out what it means to me...

Originally posted by Fac21 R-T-S-C-F-H-P, Find out what it means to me...

Erm, it's now your signature, Facsy... Way too easy.

Originally posted by Geoffroy Klompkes > Originally posted by Fac21> R-T-S-C-F-H-P, Find out what it means to me...

Erm, it's now your signature, Facsy... Way too easy.

I think you missed the point... ...never mind

Originally posted by Fac21 > Originally posted by Geoffroy Klompkes> > > > Originally posted by Fac21> > R-T-S-C-F-H-P, Find out what it means to me...>

Erm, it's now your signature, Facsy... Way too easy.

I think you missed the point... ...never mind

O Well...

i know its a bit unrelated but talking about great endings 'party line' stockholm monsters - for all you factory buffs