Movement

Originally posted by Known Pleasures > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> (just look at the same Joy Division-influenced sound popping up again and again later on; for example, Sunrise sounds like it could've easily been on Movement).

Eh ? You need your lugs cleaning out !

Sunrise sounds like Novelty in my opinion. New Order and Joy Division trying to sound like a heavy metal band.

Right,

Movement is a good album, but (IMHO) its the end of Joy Division instead of the start of something new. OK OK its purely a NO album but its made and produced like the JD stuff, and even Hooky himself thinks this.

PCL and Blue Monday probablhy mark the real start of New Order...

And incidentally, my fave album is Get Ready, so i dont show sympathy to any era...

I've actually always felt that PC&L was the "true" follow-up to Closer, in terms of style and sound, being a further exploration and refinement of the more electronic aspects of their music that JD had started playing around with on Closer. Movement has always seemed a bit of an abberation to me, more of a step sideways than either backwards or forwards, but there's no denying that NO did need to get that stuff out of their collective systems before they could move forwards.

None of this means I don't like Movement though...

Movement has always seemed a bit of an abberation to me, more of a step sideways than either backwards or forwards, but there's no denying that NO did need to get that stuff out of their collective systems before they could move forwards.

After getting knocked on their ass and deciding to stand up on their own any direction but down was a step up. Movement was verification of the truth for them. They started over with all new songs written by themselves, gigged them and then recorded the album. Starting over utterly alone. Perhaps this is why the album is so appealling to those that rank it so high--looking at the album objectively without the knowledge of the band's history and leaving out emotions is extremely difficult.

I remember one time I went to Six Flags Magic Mountain, while I was waiting in line to get on "The X" they played the Pump Panel Remix of "Confusion" over the speakers. I was pretty shocked. I mean, an amusement park playing New Order. That brought a smile to my face.

Originally posted by The Dick I remember one time I went to Six Flags Magic Mountain, while I was waiting in line to get on "The X" they played the Pump Panel Remix of "Confusion" over the speakers. I was pretty shocked. I mean, an amusement park playing New Order. That brought a smile to my face.

I'd hardly consider that remix to be New Order.

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/playinggod/030722_playinggod.shtml

You know, this PlayingGod article linked above is rather a good idea. I agree with a lot of comments above: that it is let down by flat, dense production. It's got spooky Hannett noises on it but somehow they're buried as opposed to the space they breathe into Unknown Pleasures. Once the upbeat Dreams Never End finishes you've got 7 tracks that packed together feel claustrophobic whereas if the singles and b-sides and session tracks from 81-82 were inserted and the order shaken up you'd have something much better. Think I feel a "Movement Redux" CD burn idea coming on. I haven't played Mesh since 1987. I've completely forgotten what it sounds like, so I'm off to find my EGG 12".

Originally posted by Andrew Unterberger http://www.stylusmagazine.com/playinggod/030722_playinggod.shtml

Thanks for this link.Some interesting ideas here.Must make a CD-R of this and see how it sounds together.MORE MOVEMENT.:)

It all comes down to how the individual listener approaches an album - some will focus on the production, others on specific instruments (including vocals), others on the image etc. For me it's 90% emotional impact - what do I feel when I lie down between the speakers and close my eyes - where do the songs take me, what do they make me feel. I can't listen to Movement without remembering the massive impact it had on me when I first heard it at 14 years of age - the bleakness, the uncertainty, the almost underground sound quality - it all just made perfect sense to me at the time. For that reason alone I can only believe that someone would call it "dull" if they listened to it with no feelings at all, with clinical detachment.

Originally posted by Push I can't listen to Movement without remembering the massive impact it had on me when I first heard it at 14 years of age - the bleakness, the uncertainty, the almost underground sound quality - it all just made perfect sense to me at the time. For that reason alone I can only believe that someone would call it "dull" if they listened to it with no feelings at all, with clinical detachment.

Yeah. I can see why the band themselves would be unhappy with the production (murkier than Closer), the singing (shaky) or the songwriting (feeling its way in the dark), but none of that mattered to me when I heard it. The mood, particularly of the second side (I disagree with "Playing God"'s dislike of it) is inexorable. I forget where I am by the end. I didn't start with JD, either, the first NO song I heard was Shellshock.

I'm not sure I'd agree with God's track order either, but I like the idea, I'll have to try it out. My own version of Get Ready has the b-sides and Here to Stay added in the middle and it kicks ass.

I've always wanted to like Movement, I mean I've tried to like it , Ilike the Peels, I like Taras, I would assume that live they were great and intense, but somehow I feels too murky, or turbid, it's hard to put it in writing. Like the feelings are surpressed on purpose, unlike the same songs (and others from the era) on the Peels. Must be the production then. I'll try another listen over the weekend.

Mmmmm I dont really like Sunrise that much anyhow, sounds like Barney's trying to rip off a Robert Smith vocal line

The second side of Movement is practically soulsucking, without any sort of melody or poetry to back it up or validate it. Only recently has it grown on me enough that I can listen to it without praying for release.