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I admit that all the arse kissing of Stone Roses by the Oasis simpletons and any other guitar band under the sun does grate, along with all the music press citing them as sucha huge influence, but the simple fact is they made some great tunes.
Mind you I hate John Squire almost as much as Damon - can anyone remember how dire the Seahorses were?
Originally posted by Karen James Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?
Yeah. Scored 50 and took 5-26 for Worcester vs Old Hill in the Birmingham League. Followed it up the next day with a ton.
Originally posted by Zizou Zidane > Originally posted by Karen James> Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?
Yeah. Scored 50 and took 5-26 for Worcester vs Old Hill in the Birmingham League. Followed it up the next day with a ton.
Two blistering performances in One day then. Ignore the fakers ZZ. Bring it all down...
Originally posted by Zizou Zidane > Originally posted by Karen James> Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?
Yeah. Scored 50 and took 5-26 for Worcester vs Old Hill in the Birmingham League. Followed it up the next day with a ton.
Bet it wasnt a patch on Thorpey's innings last night ;)
Originally posted by Seb Briggs > Originally posted by Zizou Zidane> > > > Originally posted by Karen James> > Blackpool Empress Ballroom Saturday August 12, 1989. A beautiful day for a beautiful band. Anyone have a story to tell about the day?>
Yeah. Scored 50 and took 5-26 for Worcester vs Old Hill in the Birmingham League. Followed it up the next day with a ton.
Bet it wasnt a patch on Thorpey's innings last night ;)
50 off 20 balls, 10x4 1x6, very streaky. Nowhere near as good as Thorpey's magnificent Kiwi-bashing. The Kiwi in our office is strangely quiet today :)
Originally posted by Karen James Favourite Roses song???
She Bangs The Drums or Made of Stone. Ten Storey Love Song comes third, followed by Waterfall. Quite like I Wanna Be a Horse as well :)
The mighty One Love has no peers in late Twentieth century rock, play it loud, it's a colossal juggernaut.
Originally posted by Karen James Favourite Roses song???
Only have the first Roses CD, so my faves are Adored, She Bangs, and This Is The One. Also like to put the second half of Resurrection on very loudly to annoy the neighbors.
I love both The Stone Roses and New Order - both have made valuable contributions to music. Out of interest does anyone know which LP has sold the most - New Orders "Technique" or The Stone Roses "The Stone Roses" Finally, I've never associated The Stone Roses with the Goth movement. Maybe that's just a bitter Tony Wilson spin cause he never signed the second best band to come out of Manchester.
Originally posted by Allen Jarvis Did go to Spike Island, mind. Total let down generally. The band were okay, but they preceded them with loads of DJ's. Not dance tents or anything, just music banging out from the stage all day. Pointless, and pretty boring. Didn't do their homework at all. Same size as Reading, but with no real focal point.
I saw the Hookmeister himself standing outside the beer tent at Spike Island.
Not really Hubert, in the last two weeks Evergreen by Will Longchin (Papidol - beware USA, from the nation that brought you millinaire :violence: its coming to a tv near you sooooooooooooon) has sold more copies than BM has sold in all its different forms
Volume of sales don't mean didley squit
This moan was brought to you in remembrance of M Gray
Originally posted by Mark Cunningham I love both The Stone Roses and New Order - both have made valuable contributions to music.Out of interest does anyone know which LP has sold the most - New Orders "Technique" or The Stone Roses "The Stone Roses"Finally, I've never associated The Stone Roses with the Goth movement. Maybe that's just a bitter Tony Wilson spin cause he never signed the second best band to come out of Manchester.
Mark, we all have a History don't we?
I think Wilson's frustration stems from a brilliant piece of A&R his ex -Lindsay Reade displayed in securing the Roses deal with Silvertone. She offered sanity as opposed to the eccentric, but clever attributes shown by Gareth Evans.
Both records remain to this day the two most notable reminders of one of the most important eras ever.
Originally posted by Hubert Mickle > Originally posted by > Not really Hubert, in the last two weeks Evergreen by Will Longchin (Papidol - beware USA, from the nation that brought you millinaire :violence: its coming to a tv near you sooooooooooooon) has sold more copies than BM has sold in all its different forms > > Volume of sales don't mean didley squit> > This moan was brought to you in remembrance of M Gray
What I was getting at mate was that THE STONE ROSES sold a lot more copies than TECHNIQUE ultimately - cos it (TSR) hung round the charts for two years like a bad smell. And who's M Gray? Macy?? 
Hubert, RENI, the greatest drummer EVER produced by this country or just Ma*chester?
You're not going to let this lie, are you Karen?
And, harking back to Mr Shimmin's points about Blackpool and Ally Pally, wasn't this just a sideways attempt to drum up a 'crowd' by a band who weren't big enough to do a genuine sell out tour at that time? Unlike, say the Mondays, who were gigging their bollocks off around that time?
So the 25-30,000 of us at Spike island (enough for a sell out u.k. tour) were oblivious to them prior to the release of Fools Gold? Not wanting to antagonise you big fella, especially as I may be within striking range on Saturday but I think my version of events is a more accurate reflection of what actually happened than yours.:D
In a nutshell, Mr S, yes. The majority of the 30k at SI would probably have been fairly ignorant to the Roses, pre-Madchester.
How many made the Empress Ballroom and Ally Pally gigs? 3k in Blackpool, maybe 5k at AP? Certainly not much more than that.
Fool's Gold pushed 'em onto a much much bigger stage. It's a fact. You saying they couldn't played SI in 89 and still have Sold Out? But they fancied Blackpool instead cos it was more intimate?
It's like the Mondays. They could sell out the T&C, Free Trade Hall, etc, no problems at the end of '89. Had a bloody huge following. How the fcuk did they suddenly make that leap to G-Mex and Wembley gigs just three months later? It's not as if Hallelujah was even a passable single. Probably ranks as one of their most unlistenable, IMO. I couldn't believe they would entertain the idea of trying something as huge as the G-Mex and they then ended up doing 2 nights there in March 90.
Both bands were hyped to death at the close of 89, and the start of 90. Such is life. All that Madchester bollocks. Was probably the beginning of the end for both of 'em, if truth be told.
What I'm saying is, if you were there you could feel the potential. I saw the Mondays at Liverpool Uni in a crowd of about 2,000 and it was obvious they would soon be playing much bigger venues obviously I'm speaking with hindsight but I think, if like me you bought the N.M.E. every week it was obvious that both bands were about to explode. I recall reading the spread with the pictures of the Roses on Blackpool beach, a girl I'd just started seeing at the time went, as did about three other people I knew. In essence my point is, it was a steady build up of momentum and IMO they both had the goods to back up the hype in 'Bummed' and 'Stone Roses' two of my all time favourite albums.
Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© What I'm saying is, if you were there you could feel the potential. I saw the Mondays at Liverpool Uni in a crowd of about 2,000 and it was obvious they would soon be playing much bigger venues obviously I'm speaking with hindsight but I think, if like me you bought the N.M.E. every week it was obvious that both bands were about to explode. I recall reading the spread with the pictures of the Roses on Blackpool beach, a girl I'd just started seeing at the time went, as did about three other people I knew. In essence my point is, it was a steady build up of momentum and IMO they both had the goods to back up the hype in 'Bummed' and 'Stone Roses' two of my all time favourite albums.
Tidy call. For those of you @ The International II November 88 u too will have sensed that The Roses were destined for the big lads league. I remember picking up a copy of the NME with A.H.W. side by side with Shaun and thinking this is F****** brilliant. Brilliant Pop Music. Not hype. Pop music. Listen, if that record had of surfaced in any given period of time away from Madchester The Roses would have still sold out Spike Island. They were spiralling towards the F****** sky, Man.
Originally posted by Allen Jarvis In a nutshell, Mr S, yes. The majority of the 30k at SI would probably have been fairly ignorant to the Roses, pre-Madchester.How many made the Empress Ballroom and Ally Pally gigs? 3k in Blackpool, maybe 5k at AP? Certainly not much more than that. Fool's Gold pushed 'em onto a much much bigger stage. It's a fact. You saying they couldn't played SI in 89 and still have Sold Out? But they fancied Blackpool instead cos it was more intimate? It's like the Mondays. They could sell out the T&C, Free Trade Hall, etc, no problems at the end of '89. Had a bloody huge following. How the fcuk did they suddenly make that leap to G-Mex and Wembley gigs just three months later? It's not as if Hallelujah was even a passable single. Probably ranks as one of their most unlistenable, IMO. I couldn't believe they would entertain the idea of trying something as huge as the G-Mex and they then ended up doing 2 nights there in March 90.Both bands were hyped to death at the close of 89, and the start of 90. Such is life. All that Madchester bollocks. Was probably the beginning of the end for both of 'em, if truth be told.
Allen, Blackpool was literally their last chance to say a massive Ta to all of those who'd forced the issue right from the beginning (u know, fellow Goths). And what a F****** gig!!!
As for The Mondays? Well, you were there down the front @ ULU in February 89 weren't you? And you're gonna tell me that wasn't one of the most chaotic, brilliant, fucked up gigs you are ever likely to witness? So what do we do? Lets all go out and buy the brand new King Of The Slums long player? No! You & I my friend spread the Word. Go see The Happy Mondays, they are a F****** giggle. Go On!
I did indeed go to the Mondays at ULU. And shook Mr Tony Wilson's hand on a fire exit on the way out. But the audience there wasn't the same audience that would be watching them a year later and preaching all this 'baggy' and 'Madchester' shite.
Originally posted by Allen Jarvis I did indeed go to the Mondays at ULU. And shook Mr Tony Wilson's hand on a fire exit on the way out. But the audience there wasn't the same audience that would be watching them a year later and preaching all this 'baggy' and 'Madchester' shite.
Question. Did you go to the G-Mex in late 88...Order, ACR, Mondays?
Originally posted by Allen Jarvis Yes, I went. I think half this forum were there.
So the Mondays did enough that Saturday evening to warrant enough attention resulting in the proceeding gigs @ both Dingwalls & ULU to sell out? Then, 2 mad sold out gigs later everyone present suddenly gets all 'street'? The Mondays are no longer cool. So everyone who attended Dingwalls & ULU & The Astoria & Kilburn & The Hacienda & FTH gives the G-MEX party in March 90 (at the height of 'BAGGY'?) a naughty massive blank? Then, it's all curtain haircuts, Aztec draw tops, moody clown fake flares and even worse, spot the W***** walkin around with the maraccas and all the good guys kinda disappear like?...Just wondering, u know.
