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I have started last night to check the errors in our gigography here on NOOL (thanks to Sam & Tim for that), checking out Sam's update and fixing things.

So far, 1980-1981-1982 are done... for some funny reason, Procession was removed from all concerts in there.. funny thing!

The initial data entry was done by Sebastien for all those, but it's now getting corrected as Sam & Tim seems to be checking out all their bootlegs and doing corrections to Water Rat's original gigography.

If you see anything wrong, for the completed years, please do so by posting a message here.

Once this will be complete (beside the gigs without any set list), we'll have a pretty decent statistics system for this.

And oh, there are some gigs that were removed but that did however go on, I had confirmation from Andy Robinson that they did play in Puerto Rico and Montreal in 1989, although Jonathan Scott said they were cancelled... :shrug:

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Are you going to include the picture of the Rio de Janeiro setlist this time? I can send it to you for the third time, if necessary. :rolleyes:

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One Brain wrote: Are you going to include the picture of the Rio de Janeiro setlist this time? I can send it to you for the third time, if necessary. :rolleyes:

Seems I need to be reminded, otherwise it gets losts amoung the 3500+ emails in my NOOL mailbox..

http://www.neworderonline.com/Live/Concert.aspx?ConcertID=607

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Ok, 1983 is now on.

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I had this one listed:

11 Jan, 1981 New Order uk Middlesborough, England Rock Garden

Seems it's no longer listed anywhere... ?

And well, my home town:

05 JUL 83 The Spectrum - Montreal, Canada

Is it actually true that they played Blue Monday TWICE at that gig? :confused2: That is listed here and on Sam's site.. :shrug:

Apparently no recording, so impossible to verify...

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Spotnick wrote: Ok, 1983 is now on.

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I had this one listed:

11 Jan, 1981 New Order uk Middlesborough, England Rock Garden

Seems it's no longer listed anywhere... ?

And well, my home town:

05 JUL 83 The Spectrum - Montreal, Canada

Is it actually true that they played Blue Monday TWICE at that gig? :confused2: That is listed here and on Sam's site.. :shrug:

Apparently no recording, so impossible to verify...

Yes they did play it twice, the shortened version and the full version. I sent you a recording of this about two years ago. Will happily send another if you require - or put in the usual place!

Middlesbrough also happened, not sure it was ever taped though.

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oldmonkey wrote:

Spotnick wrote: Ok, 1983 is now on.

2 comments.

I had this one listed:

11 Jan, 1981 New Order uk Middlesborough, England Rock Garden

Seems it's no longer listed anywhere... ?

And well, my home town:

05 JUL 83 The Spectrum - Montreal, Canada

Is it actually true that they played Blue Monday TWICE at that gig? :confused2: That is listed here and on Sam's site.. :shrug:

Apparently no recording, so impossible to verify...

Yes they did play it twice, the shortened version and the full version. I sent you a recording of this about two years ago. Will happily send another if you require - or put in the usual place!

Middlesbrough also happened, not sure it was ever taped though.

I don't remember BM on it twice though, I have listened several times to the recording, except 2 years ago I changed my car and since then I have no tape device anywhere... so I can't listen to it anymore :(

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I will convert the tape to MP3 and upload it this afternoon. BM was definitely on it twice.

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Spotnick wrote:

One Brain wrote: Are you going to include the picture of the Rio de Janeiro setlist this time? I can send it to you for the third time, if necessary. :rolleyes:

Seems I need to be reminded, otherwise it gets losts amoung the 3500+ emails in my NOOL mailbox..

http://www.neworderonline.com/Live/Concert.aspx?ConcertID=607

I just noticed that the setlist in the website doesn't match with the real one. The actual tracks 7 and 8 must be "Mr. Disco" and "Vanishing Point", not "Vanishing Point" and "Dream Attack". I guess the music journalist who wrote the Brazilian setlists in the magazine made some confusion with the new (at the time) tracks.

Oh, and "Touched By The Hand Of God" was played in the encore as well.

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I'm monitoring this thread, so any inconsistencies that you see I should be able to reconcile.

Last year, I did a detailed comparison between the NOOL list/Waterrat's/WIM's/mine/History In Cuttings...and posted it here...the threads may still be there, but too bad search is still broken :cry:

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The Happy One wrote: FKI's gigography stats pages

It only covers through 2002, though...

Funny, looks like my "song live history" page... the matrix is interesting but tough to read.

As you can see, my own search engine (called Microsoft Query Analyzer) works, so I can dig what you want ;)

Thanks, forgot about those... but I guess you did update your site in consequence?

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Spotnick wrote:

Thanks, forgot about those... but I guess you did update your site in consequence?

I'm pretty sure I did, especially for the 20th century gigs...but if somebody could double-check and let me know in case I missed anything.

One unfortunate thing about resuscitating the old links is seeing again some of the old WIM vs NOOL acrimony...hopefully that should be well behind us now!

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the 1983 show at st. andrews university is listed as being in stirling. st. andrews is in, well, st. andrews!:D

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Okay, noted, but I'll keep the "Stirling" reference until I understand how it got in there...anybody have a flyer or ticket for this gig that we can check against?

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Wasn't it Pathfoot Hall at Stirling University in 1983?

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WIM has it listed at stirling university, which would make the city correct. :shrug:

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AgentWood wrote: WIM has it listed at stirling university, which would make the city correct. :shrug:

The bootleg tape I received three days after the gig also said Stirling University (Pathfoot Hall), no mention of St.Andrews (or indeed anywhere else in Fife).

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I have a mp3 of Getting away with it live from NY 1990 and it sounds like a concert performance, and even in the mp3 tag it says track 12, which sounds kinda right for when the song would be played in the concert.

Does anybody know any info about thsi concert?

Also the track listing for the Aug 4 1990 is the same as the Aug 5 concert:

Gangster, Try All You Want, Reality, Get The Message, The Patience of a Saint, Getting Away With It, Idiot Country, Tighten Up, Soviet

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oldmonkey wrote:

AgentWood wrote: WIM has it listed at stirling university, which would make the city correct. :shrug:

The bootleg tape I received three days after the gig also said Stirling University (Pathfoot Hall), no mention of St.Andrews (or indeed anywhere else in Fife).

All right, "Pathfoot Hall - Stirling University - Stirling, Scotland" it is. Maybe this got crossed up with the '81 venue/location, which I have down as "St. Andrews University - Fife, Scotland".

--Sam

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Someday I'll have to make a joke out of it, but "Fife" means fag in french :lol:

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Spotnick wrote: Someday I'll have to make a joke out of it, but "Fife" means fag in french :lol:

you have no idea how fitting that is....

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'Un paquette de cigarette' always works.

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I used to go out with a Fifer called Michelle, as it happens. Many moons ago.

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oldmonkey wrote: I used to go out with a Fifer called Michelle, as it happens. Many moons ago.

was that before she shacked up with Jack Nicholson in Eastwick?

BTW, the wife is getting homesick, not good times at present

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An amendment on Gigography:

The place where the band played in Barcelona last june was NOT "Poble Espanyol" – it was "Primavera Sound Festival" and the location is called "Fòrum". That festival was held until 2004 at Poble Espanyol, but then moved to the Fòrum in 2005.

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Solitude wrote:

BTW, the wife is getting homesick, not good times at present

Fookinell Pete :eek3: Hope things work out over there for you all.

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I got 2 mails recently about changes in the gigography:

Hi Nicolas,just a quick correction for ZURICH, Switzerland 2nd April 84' set list. Been playing that gig today and noticed TRACK 6:DENIAL should be after TRK (5) ICB. Then it's Procession, Age of, Temptaion, Confusion.. SAD I KNOW!!!

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Hi

I think your track listing for the following New Order gig is incorrect

Date

Sunday Aug 05, 2001

City

Los Angeles, California, United States of America

Venue

Glen Helen Blockbuster Pavilion

It should be as follows (also see web link below)

  1. Atmosphere
  2. Regret
  3. Crystal
  4. Love Will Tear Us Apart
  5. Your Silent Face
  6. Turn My Way
  7. Bizarre Love Triangle
  8. Touched By The Hand Of God
  9. True Faith
  10. Temptation
  11. 60 Miles An Hour
  12. Blue Monday

http://db.etree.org/lookup\_show.php?shows\_key=130572

Thanks

I didn't have time to check yet, but anybody agrees with those changes?

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I noticed in the dicography that there is no tracklisting for the gig at the Red Parrot, Perth, Australia on 21st February 1987, but i know at least the last four tracks played (that's because you can download them at new-order.net. They are:

Blue Monday In A lonely Place Elegia Sister Ray

Stuffed if i know what the other tracks are, so i guess i'm just wasting your time Sputnick. Oh well... :shrug:

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Oh great, the link isn't working, even though it was a minute ago, that's just brilliant. :nonono:

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