Amendments to NOOL Gigography

mitchell north wrote: New Order lyrics Album: Substance [1987] Tracks 17

01 Ceremony
02 Everything's Gone Green
03 Confusion Sprung Up From Devotion
04 Thieves Like Us
05 Perfect Kiss
06 Subculture
07 Shellshock
08 State Of The Nation
09 Bizarre Love Triangle
10 True Faith (The Morning Sun)
11 In A Lonely Place
12 Procession
13 Mesh
14 Hurt
15 Lonesome Tonight
16 Murder
17 1963

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Ceremony

You'd smile and salute me If I told a different story All the sinful wheels are turning Turning in and turn towards this time All she asks is when to hold me They gain the same old story We traveled oh, so quickly Travel first to me, towards this time Oh, I'll bring them down, no mercy shown Heaven knows it's got to be this time What she'd heard, these things she said The time she cried and failed to wait this time

Oh, I'll bring them down, no mercy shown Heaven knows it's got to be this time Avenues, all lined with trees Picture me and then you start watching Watching forever Forever - watching love grow Forever - letting me know Forever
Everything's Gone Green

Help me, somebody help me I wonder where I am I see my future before me I'll hurt you when I can It seems like I've been here before
Confusion Sprung Up From Devotion

A halo that covers my eyes It sprung from this first estrangement No one have I ever despised Is this the way that you wanted to pay Won't you show me, please show me the way Is this the way that you wanted to pay Won't you show me, please show me the way

Temptation

A heaven I'd get with a hope Just like the feeling inside, it's no joke And though it hurts me to treat you this way Betrayed my words, I'd never heard, too hard to say Up, down, turn around Please don't let me hit the ground Tonight I think I'll walk alone I'll find my soul as I go home

Each way I turn, I know I'll always try To break this circle that's been placed around me From time to time, I find I've lost some need That was urgent to myself, I do believe Up, down, turn around Please don't let me hit the ground Tonight I think I'll walk alone I'll find my soul as I go home

Oh, you've got green eyes Oh, you've got blue eyes Oh, you've got grey eyes And I've never seen anyone quite like you before No, I've never met anyone quite like you before Thoughts from above hit the people down below People in this world, we have no place to go Oh, it's the last time Oh, I've never met anyone quite like you before Oh no, I've never met anyone quite like you before

Blue Monday

How does it feel to treat me like you do? When you've your hands upon me And told me who you are I thought I was mistaken I thought I heard your words Tell me, how do I feel Tell me now, How do I feel

Those who came before me Lived through their vocations From the past until completion They'll turn away no more And I still find it so hard To say what I need to say But I'm quite sure that you'll tell me Just how I should feel today

I see a ship in the harbor I can and shall obey But if it wasn't for your misfortune I'd be a heavenly person today And I thought I was mistaken And I thought I heard you speak Tell me how do I feel Tell me now, how should I feel

Now I stand here waiting... I thought I told you to leave me While I walked down to the beach Tell me how does it feel When your heart grows cold

Confusion

(W W W R L) You just can't believe me When I show you what you mean to me You just can't believe me When I show you what you cannot see

You're hiding from feelings, searching for more Sharing and hoping, untouched for so long Our lives still change from the way that we were And now I'll tell you something I think you should know You just can't believe me When I show you what you mean to me You just can't believe me When I show you what you cannot see

You cause me confusion, you told me you cared He's calling these changes that last to the end Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies The past is your present, the future is mine You just can't believe me When I show you what you mean to me You just can't believe me When I show you what you cannot see

You tell me you need me, I'll make it this time The thread won't divide us, the sensation survives I was sure that I told you it was good from the face You've caused me some problems, you've taken my place

Why can't you see what you mean to me?
Thieves Like Us

I've watched your face for a long time It's always the same I've studied the cracks and the wrinkles You were always so vain Well, now you live your life like a shadow In the pouring rain Oh, it's called love Yes, it's called love Oh, it's called love And it belongs to us Oh, it dies so quickly It grows so slowly But when it dies, it dies for good It's called love And it belongs to everyone but us

I've lived my life in the valleys I've lived my life on the hills I've lived my life on alcohol I've lived my life on pills But it's called love And it belongs to us It's called love And it's the only thing that's worth living for It's called love And it belongs to us It's called love Yes it's called love

Oh, love is found in the east and west But when love is at home, it's the best Love is the cure for every evil Love is the air that supports the eagle It's called love And it's so un-cool It's called love And somehow it's become unmentionable It's called love And it belongs to every one of us It's called love And it cuts your life like a broken knife
Perfect Kiss

I stood there beside myself, Thinking hard about the weather Then came by a friend of mine Suggested we go out together Then I knew it from the start: This friend of mine would fall apart Pretending not to see his guilt, I said "let's go out and have some fun" I know, you know, you believe in a land of love I know, you know, we believe in a land of love

I have always thought about Staying here and going out Tonight I should have stayed at home, Playing with my pleasure zone He has always been so strange, I'd often thought he was deranged Pretending not to see his gun, I said "let's go out and have some fun" I know, you know, we believe in a land of love I know, you know, we believe in a land of love

When you are alone at night You search yourself for all the things That you believe are right If you give it all away You throw away your only chance to be here today Then a fight breaks out on your street You lose another broken heart in a land of meat My friend, he took his final breath Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death
Subculture

I like walking in the park When it gets late at night I move `round in the dark And leave when it gets light I sit around by day Tied up in chains so tight These crazy words of mine So wrong they could be What do I get out of this? I always try, I always miss One of these days you'll go back to your home You won't even notice that you are alone One of these days when you sit by yourself You'll realise you can't show off without someone else In the end you will submit It's got to hurt a little bit

I like talking in my sleep When people work so hard They need what they can't keep A choice that leaves them scarred A room without a view Unveils the truth so soon And when the sun goes down You've lost what you had What do I get out of this? I always try, I always miss One of these days you'll go back to your home You won't even notice that you are alone One of these days when you sit by yourself You'll realise you can't show off without someone else In the end you will submit It's got to hurt a little bit
Shellshock

That's the way - Shellshock Hold on! It's never enough It's never enough until your heart stops beating The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain Don't give up the game until your heart stops beating

You call me on the phone, you left me all alone All I get from you is shellshock Another day goes by and all I do is cry All I get from you is shellshock I'd tell the world and save my soul But rain falls down and I feel cold A cold that sleeps within my heart It tears the earth and sun apart But that's the way that I can win A victim of your evil sin You've lost the hold you've had on me By causing the changes that you never see Hold on! It's never enough It's never enough until your heart stops beating The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain Don't give up the game until your heart stops beating

When we walk through open doorways, Counting time in one or more ways We can't find our peace of mind And life becomes a life of crime And that's the day I call your name I came to you, I called in vain You lost the faith within your heart The fire in your soul from the end to the start Hold on! It's never enough It's never enough until your heart stops beating The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain Don't give up the game until your heart stops beating

I've been good and I've been bad But common sense I've never had No matter how I try and try, I hide the truth behind a lie But that's the way that I can win A victim of your evil sin You lost the faith within your heart The fire in your soul from the end to the start Hold on! It's never enough It's never enough until your heart stops beating The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain Don't give up the game until your heart stops beating
State Of The Nation

You can walk, or you can run You don't have to be someone I went on a summer cruise Upon an ocean born to lose My brother said that he was dead I saw his face and shook my head Can you see where we can't be We're losing our blood in the sea 'Cause it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Yes, it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Oh, the state of the nation Is causing death inflation Oh, the state of the nation Is causing death inflation

From my home I traveled far I drove in my stolen car When it broke down, I kissed the ground 'Cause I don't kiss when you're around I don't find that I have been The portrait of an only son If that's the case, then who could tell Where my story had begun? Cause it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Yes, it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Yes, the state of the nation That's causing death inflation Oh, the state of the nation That's causing death inflation

Even now, I'm all alone Behind a wall that's made of stone I think about where we have been And all the sights that could be seen I know it all could be worthwhile If only I could force a smile Now we turn our backs to the sea The shame of a nation we'll never be Cause it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Yes, it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Oh, the state of the nation Is causing death inflation Yes, the state of the nation Is causing death inflation
Bizarre Love Triangle

Every time i think of you I feel shot right through with a bolt of blue It's no problem of mine but it's a problem I find Living a life that I can't leave behind There's no sense in telling me The wisdom of a fool won't set you free But that's the way that it goes And it's what nobody knows While every day my confusion grows Every time I see you falling I get down on my knees and pray I'm waiting for that final moment You'll say the words that I can't say

I feel fine and I feel good I'm feeling like I never should Whenever I get this way, I just don't know what to say Why can't we be ourselves like we were yesterday I'm not sure what this could mean I don't think you're what you seem I do admit to myself That if I hurt someone else Then I'll never see just what we're meant to be Every time I see you falling I get down on my knees and pray I'm waiting for that final moment You'll say the words that I can't say
True Faith (The Morning Sun)

I feel so extraordinary Something's got a hold on me I get this feeling I'm in motion A sudden sense of liberty I don't care 'cause I'm not there And I don't care if I'm here tomorrow Again and again I've taken too much Of the things that cost you too much I used to think that the day would never come I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun My morning sun is the drug that brings me near To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear I used to think that the day would never come That my life would depend on the morning sun...

When I was a very small boy, Very small boys talked to me Now that we've grown up together They're afraid of what they see That's the price that we all pay And the value of destiny comes to nothing I can't tell you where we're going I guess there was just no way of knowing I used to think that the day would never come I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun My morning sun is the drug that brings me near To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear I used to think that the day would never come That my life would depend on the morning sun...

I feel so extraordinary Something's got a hold on me I get this feeling I'm in motion A sudden sense of liberty The chances are we've gone too far You took my time and you took my money Now I fear you've left me standing In a world that's so demanding I used to think that the day would never come I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun My morning sun is the drug that brings me near To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear I used to think that the day would never come That my life would depend on the morning sun...
In A Lonely Place

Caressing the marble and stone Love that was special for one The waste and the fever and hate How I wish you were here with me now

The body that kills and hides Matches an awful delight One like a dog `round your feet How I wish you were here with me now

The hangman looks `round as he waits Gullet stretches tight and it breaks Someday we will die in your dreams How I wish we were here with you now
Procession

There is no end to this I have seen your face But I don't recognize all these things

what the fuck's this got to do with gigs?

The Happy One wrote: Another one to fix:

1985-05-20 is EASTS League Club (plural at the end) Brisbane as verified by the person who recorded gig and random Google searching.

Technically it was the Eastern Suburbs Rugby League Club in Brisbane, commonly referred to as the East's Leagues Club.

New old one to add - Bronco Bowl, Dallas, 15th November 1986. Ticket scan provided by Lisa on the "NO venues that are no more" thread.

Courtesy of Rob Gretton's lock-up, the Manchester District Music Archive and JSZ, we now have the setlist from Dallas:

Our heroes played:

Love Vigilantes Subculture Weirdo Age Of Consent As It Is When It Was Your Silent Face Confusion Blue Monday Angel Dust Sunrise The Perfect Kiss

Temptation

Minor correction to the Brasilia gig on 2006-11-10, Ceremony is played before Who's Joe. Just fixed the new-order.net gigography, and I also had KW1 instead of Atmosphere, whoops!

Full Perth 87 and Tampa 86 listings now up on MDMA.

Come on Nick, keep up with all this excellent new old info and get this gig guide up to date! :)

...and the Knight Center, Miami.

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=1627&bid=693

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=1626&bid=693

An amendment is required for 2006. The gig in Barcelona in July was at Parc del Fòrum not at Montjuic as listed.

Just done a review for my first NO gig, at the Bristol Studio in June 1984. Procession, which they did second, seems to be missing from the set list and, if you're interested, they went off after TPK and did EGG, Temptation and BM as encores.

I had no idea where the band were actually playing when I arrived in the respective city. All I was armed with was the damned t-shirt. The usual scenario was to ring a local radio station or record store then ask them.

On a few occasions it did go a little wrong ... You can read all about it in the book!

The first show of the US89 tour is missing. PUERTO RICO DID happen, although I do not know the specific date when they played. This was confirmed to me by both BERNARD and STEVE.

Tue, Apr 11 1989 - Knight Center, MIAMI, Florida Wed, Apr 12 1989 - Bayfront Arena, ST. PETERSBURG, Florida Fri, Apr 14 1989 - O'Connell Center, GAINESVILLE, Florida Sat, Apr 15 1989 - Southern Star Amphitheater, ATLANTA, Georgia Sun, Apr 16 1989 - Saenger Theater, NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana

Thu, Apr 20 1989 - City Coliseum, AUSTIN, Texas Fri, Apr 21 1989 - Astroworld, HOUSTON, Texas Sat, Apr 22 1989 - Starplex Amphitheater, DALLAS, Texas

Tue, Apr 25 1989 - Mesa Amphitheater, MESA, Arizona Thu, Apr 27 1989 - Universal Amphitheater, LOS ANGELES, California Fri, Apr 28 1989 - Universal Amphitheater, LOS ANGELES, California Sun, Apr 30 1989 - County Bowl, SANTA BARBARA, California

Tue, May 02 1989 - Civic Auditorium, PORTLAND, Oregon Wed, May 03 1989 - Paramount Theater, SEATTLE, Washington Thu, May 04 1989 - Queen Elizabeth Theater, VANCOUVER, British Columbia Wed, Jun 14 1989 - Shoreline Amphitheater, MOUNTAIN VIEW, California Fri, Jun 16 1989 - Irvine Meadows Amphitheater, IRVINE, California Sat, Jun 17 1989 - Aztec Bowl, SAN DIEGO, California Sun, Jun 18 1989 - Irvine Meadows Amphitheater, IRVINE, California

Wed, Jun 21 1989 - Park West Amphitheater, SALT LAKE CITY, Utah Fri, Jun 23 1989 - Red Rocks Amphitheater, DENVER, Colorado Sun, Jun 25 1989 - Sandstone Amphitheater, BONNER SPRINGS, Missouri

Tue, Jun 27 1989 - St-Paul's Auditorium, MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota Thu, Jun 29 1989 - Marcus Amphitheater, MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin Fri, Jun 30 1989 - Poplar Creek Music Theater, HOFFMAN ESTATES, Illinois Sat, Jul 01 1989 - Pine Knob Music Theater, CLARKSTON, Michigan (Cancelled) Rescheduled 17 Jul 1989

Mon, Jul 03 1989 - ? - Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Tue, Jul 04 1989 - Darien Lake Theme Park (Six Flags) Darien Center, New York Wed, Jul 05 1989 - Blossom Music Center, CUYAHOGA FALLS, Ohio Fri, Jul 07 1989 - Canadian National Exhibition, TORONTO, Ontario

Mon, Jul 10 1989 - Great Woods Amphitheater, MANSFIELD, Massachusetts Tue, Jul 11 1989 - Lake Compounce Park, BRISTOL, Connecticut Wed, Jul 12 1989 - Jones Beach Theater, WANTAUGH, New York Fri, Jul 14 1989 - Mann Music Center, PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania Sat, Jul 15 1989 - Merriweather Post Pavilion, COLUMBIA, Maryland

Mon, Jul 17 1989 - Pine Knob Music Theater, CLARKSTON, Michigan (Rescheduled from 17 Jul 1989) Wed, Jul 19 1989 - Brendan Byrne Arena, MEADOWLANDS, New Jersey

The following gig did NOT happen. We traveled to Montreal, but for some reason it was CANCELED. We buggered off to Cape Code for a few days prior to the Boston show.

Sat, Jul 08 1989 - Forum, Montréal, Québec - DID NOT HAPPEN, 100%

I had no idea where the band were actually playing when I arrived in the respective city. All I was armed with was the damned t-shirt. The usual scenario was to ring a local radio station or record store then ask them.

I hope the responses weren't mostly 'New Order WHO?'...

On a few occasions it did go a little wrong ... You can read all about it in the book!

Eagerly looking forward to reading it when it comes out.

The first show of the US89 tour is missing. PUERTO RICO DID happen, although I do not know the specific date when they played. This was confirmed to me by both BERNARD and STEVE.

Originally, it was supposed to be 08 April 1989 but got postponed to the following night. However, according to Elvin Orta and JS, the performance was cancelled due to bad weather. All I can note is that this is in dispute.

Sun, Apr 16 1989 - Saenger Theater, NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana Thu, Apr 20 1989 - City Coliseum, AUSTIN, Texas

Interesting there's a four day break here.

Thu, May 04 1989 - Queen Elizabeth Theater, VANCOUVER, British Columbia

So it looks like we have all the dates for the first leg of the tour.

Sun, Jun 25 1989 - Sandstone Amphitheater, BONNER SPRINGS, Missouri

Bonner Springs is actually in Kansas, but it's right on the border, the confusion is that this may have been billed as being the Kansas City date, which is Missouri.

Mon, Jul 03 1989 - ? - Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Don't have the venue name here either.

The following gig did NOT happen. We traveled to Montreal, but for some reason it was CANCELED. We buggered off to Cape Code for a few days prior to the Boston show.

Sat, Jul 08 1989 - Forum, Montréal, Québec - DID NOT HAPPEN, 100%

Updated on http://www.new-order.net/no/gigs

--Sam

Mentioned this is another Forum recently but Sat, Sep 11 1982 Futurama Four - Deeside, Scotland (UK) - Deeside is in NORTH WALES. Was there!

Deeside Leisure Centre Chester Road West Queensferry Deeside Flintshire CH5 1SA

Simon Simpson wrote: Mentioned this is another Forum recently but Sat, Sep 11 1982 Futurama Four - Deeside, Scotland (UK) - Deeside is in NORTH WALES. Was there!

Deeside Leisure Centre Chester Road West Queensferry Deeside Flintshire CH5 1SA

Thanks. We have mentioned this a few times before, but it doesn't seem to be that much of a priority these days to get the gigography up to date or even basically correct. Sam's site has it right though. http://www.new-order.net

i believe!

Thu, Jun 29 1989Mascus Amphitheatre - Milwaukee, Wisconsin (US)

Dream Attack, True Faith, Mr Disco, As It Is When It Was, 1963, Vanishing Point, Round & Round, Temptation, Bizarre Love Triangle, The Perfect Kiss, Blue Monday, Fine Time

It's the Marcus Amphitheatre, and the show starts with Touched By The Hand Of God, followed by Ceremony, then onto Dream Attack and the rest of the show as listed.

I have a cassette of this complete show.

If my memory serves me correctly that gig was part of some kind of festival.

I am sure punters were getting in for free if they brought items for recycling (newspaper, cardboard)

A nice sunny day, but not a particularly good NO show however (like a majority of stage 2 of that tour)

well, the hangman looks round as he waits, cord stretches tight then it breaks, part at least exists because ive got it!! i got it off some guy on facebook, the quality is rather dull at times and it has been apparently deliberately reduced in sound quality, with a 2 second gap after ians singing and then somemusic which would be probably 30 secs further on which startsto sound good quality. All in all i would say the 30 second clip was from a differnt take, probably a four track recorder and so will be of higher quality. According to some big mouthed no alls on facebook called seth eigenmann and robert eigenmann they have the tapes given too them from peter hook, the qualty is now excellent and will be released later this year. i think there bullshitting, never the less atleast more tape/tapes exist. in the meantime i have put his clip (crudely in with the heart and soulversion and extended the track to 4.45, i have covered the gaps wand joins with slow cymbal and adde some sampled vocal of ian and thunder to very vaguely copy the new order version. its far from perfect but its the best i can do thus far. This is on you tube type in 'JOY DIVISION HANGMAN' by birdandthe dont confuse it with some ridiculous versions with war scenes!!!!!!!!! happy listening

All this attention seeking is bloody tiresome. We know it exists - some of us on here may well have heard it - all this rising above the parapet gets on my fucking nerves.

always wondered why the Wednesbury Town Hall gig 11th March 83 is not listed, I taped it !