Amendments to NOOL Gigography

i was looking at this site's gigography. one of the dates needs to be changed, then.

This site's gigography, like mine, was based on the Waterrat one. although Nic said he's been synchronizing it with mine, at least for 80-83...

--Sam

The Happy One wrote:

i was looking at this site's gigography. one of the dates needs to be changed, then.

This site's gigography, like mine, was based on the Waterrat one. although Nic said he's been synchronizing it with mine, at least for 80-83...

--Sam

so did the july concert not take place?

AgentWood wrote:

The Happy One wrote:

i was looking at this site's gigography. one of the dates needs to be changed, then.

This site's gigography, like mine, was based on the Waterrat one. although Nic said he's been synchronizing it with mine, at least for 80-83...

--Sam

so did the july concert not take place?

No, there was only one, in August.

Moby, Chilis, septics with no hair who make one decent record and several average ones! Cheers Mark, I was getting the two confused. Easily done when you get to my age!

Additions to http://www.new-order.net/no/gigs

23 JUN 1989 - Red Rocks Amphitheater - Denver, Colorado Somebody sent me the tracklist for this one.

12 OCT 2005 - Queen's Elizabeth Hall London (obviously)

I once posted that I may have had a CD-r of a gig I thought was the HK Canton Club gig. On recent surfing of new-order.net I have since discovered it's actually Fox Theatre, Atlanta GA, August 11th '85. Still a top gig, specially for the instrumental howlers in STYT and Chosen Time

BTW tracks are: Sunrise/Sooner Than You Think/Subculture/Age Of Consent/As It Is When It Was/Hurt/586/Chosen Time/Temptation(not complete- fooking pity)/The Perfect Kiss/Confusion.

Shergold Six wrote: I once posted that I may have had a CD-r of a gig I thought was the HK Canton Club gig. On recent surfing of new-order.net I have since discovered it's actually Fox Theatre, Atlanta GA, August 11th '85. Still a top gig, specially for the instrumental howlers in STYT and Chosen Time

BTW tracks are: Sunrise/Sooner Than You Think/Subculture/Age Of Consent/As It Is When It Was/Hurt/586/Chosen Time/Temptation(not complete- fooking pity)/The Perfect Kiss/Confusion.

is that what it was. it just didn't match up with any other setlist.

Hi,

Could I suggest a couple of minor corrections to the gigography?

The Futurama Four gig of Sept 11 1982 was at Deeside Leisure Centre in North Wales, not Scotland. And it was bloody cold sitting down on a covered ice-rink waiting for NO!

And the venue for the May 7 1981 gig should just be Tabernacle. I've never known this place as Talbot Tabernacle, especially as it's located in Powis Square rather than Talbot Road.

Nevertheless, this is a fantastic gig list and it's great to be reminded of the set lists from so long ago. It's much appreciated.

Catset Nik wrote: Hi,

Could I suggest a couple of minor corrections to the gigography?

The Futurama Four gig of Sept 11 1982 was at Deeside Leisure Centre in North Wales, not Scotland. And it was bloody cold sitting down on a covered ice-rink waiting for NO!

My version should have had this corrected already. Spotnik will get around to it, he's been slowly syncing up to what's here

And the venue for the May 7 1981 gig should just be Tabernacle. I've never known this place as Talbot Tabernacle, especially as it's located in Powis Square rather than Talbot Road.

Good spot. I'm correcting mine as we speak.

Nevertheless, this is a fantastic gig list and it's great to be reminded of the set lists from so long ago. It's much appreciated.

Many people's effort went into assembling these.

--Sam

When will the Aug. 5, 1985 concert at the Akron Agora in Akron, Ohio at least be listed as having occured?

I can send you the rider for the gig and a setlist with at least 8 of the 10 songs.

There are reviews from Alternative Press from that year that I'm sure publisher Mike Shea would dig up as well.

The reason Akron isn't listed on NOOL's gigography is that it's based on the Waterrat gigography,which hasn't been updated in years. As far as we know, no audience recordings exist of this concert, and the listing was first assembled from a bunch of tapes that a Norwegian collector (Oyvind Franck?) had in his possession.

My mirror is here, and is updated with current information. http://www.new-order.net/no/gigs

Here's what I list:

Blue Monday, Dreams Never End, Everything's Gone Green, Lonesome Tonight, As It Is When It Was, Subculture, (unknown), Face Up, Sunrise, In A Lonely Place

I think (unknown) is most likely Weirdo, since that was the other song they were playing at the time (AIIWIW being the other) which hadn't been yet released...the setlist you mention listing 8 of the 10 songs would perfectly align with the main set, assuming that Sunrise and IALP were the encore tracks. Would love to see this info including the AP clippings to corroborate!

There was no encore. Each US tour they have done, they have decided on a basic set length. The 85 sets were all ten songs plus an encore if they felt like it, the 86 sets were all eleven songs plus an encore if they felt like it. The ten at Akron were the ten in the set. Chances are they didn't always use the now accepted names for the new ones, hence the only knowing 8 out of 10 titles.

Yeah, you're right. I was a bit confused by the reference to the setlist listing 8 out of 10 songs...and assumed this was a copy of the band setlist rather than just being what an attendee may have noticed...in which case, makes perfect sense since 2 of the songs had not been released.

Oh, OldMonkey, please check your email...

Another one to fix:

1985-05-20 is EASTS League Club (plural at the end) Brisbane as verified by the person who recorded gig and random Google searching.

The spanish gigs seem wrong to me I recall Love vigilantes being introduced as a pro war song yet it is not listed they did not play sirens either . Try and go to more gigs

pompeyorder wrote: The spanish gigs seem wrong to me I recall Love vigilantes being introduced as a pro war song yet it is not listed they did not play sirens either . Try and go to more gigs

Weren't Turn and WFTSC replaced in the Madrid gig by Krafty and Love Vigilantes?

I remember it being mentioned

As has been stated elsewhere, me and him are having a bout of Viking boxing straight after the Wolverhampton gig to settle old differences going back years.

I suggest Yate's Wine Lodge , only 50 yards from venue :D

Does anyone know if New Order have done a gig at Canterbury Court, Perth, Australia on 15 May 1985? It's not mentioned in any gig listings I've seen.

Here's a pic of the concert poster.

They did play Canterbury Court in 87 but this poster must be from the 85 tour since it states 15 May. It also has the same artwork as a poster from the Selinas Hotel, Sydney gig on the 18th. I've always thought Melbourne 17 May was the first gig on this tour so could this be a gig that got cancelled?

Sydney Australlia Feb 14 1987

1 Elegia 2 Bizarre Love triangle 3 Touched by the hand of god 4 Angel dust 5 Your silent face 6 Love vigilantes 7 Shellshock 8 Weirdo 9 Broken Promise 10 Everythings gone green 11 Face up 12 Age of consent 13 Subculture 14 The perfect kiss

cljfx wrote: They did play Canterbury Court in 87 but this poster must be from the 85 tour since it states 15 May. It also has the same artwork as a poster from the Selinas Hotel, Sydney gig on the 18th. I've always thought Melbourne 17 May was the first gig on this tour so could this be a gig that got cancelled?

Wow, great find! I should check whether this was the case or not...

Sydney Australlia Feb 14 1987

I guess we need an "FAO Spotnick" as this still hasn't been added to the NOOL gig listings.

And compare Dimeadozen seed listing to the NOOL listing for the recent Blackpool gig (I've already corrected the new-order.net one)

Spotnick wrote:

The Happy One wrote:

Sydney Australlia Feb 14 1987

I guess we need an "FAO Spotnick" as this still hasn't been added to the NOOL gig listings.

Indeed.

That bastard never read his mail.

hum didn't i actually write a review for that gig here. my first new order gig and yes it is in the gigography.

It is there, you've just got to open up the link.

New Order lyrics Album: Substance [1987] Tracks 17

01 Ceremony
02 Everything's Gone Green
03 Confusion Sprung Up From Devotion
04 Thieves Like Us
05 Perfect Kiss
06 Subculture
07 Shellshock
08 State Of The Nation
09 Bizarre Love Triangle
10 True Faith (The Morning Sun)
11 In A Lonely Place
12 Procession
13 Mesh
14 Hurt
15 Lonesome Tonight
16 Murder
17 1963

Back to New Order albums

Ceremony

You'd smile and salute me If I told a different story All the sinful wheels are turning Turning in and turn towards this time All she asks is when to hold me They gain the same old story We traveled oh, so quickly Travel first to me, towards this time Oh, I'll bring them down, no mercy shown Heaven knows it's got to be this time What she'd heard, these things she said The time she cried and failed to wait this time

Oh, I'll bring them down, no mercy shown Heaven knows it's got to be this time Avenues, all lined with trees Picture me and then you start watching Watching forever Forever - watching love grow Forever - letting me know Forever
Everything's Gone Green

Help me, somebody help me I wonder where I am I see my future before me I'll hurt you when I can It seems like I've been here before
Confusion Sprung Up From Devotion

A halo that covers my eyes It sprung from this first estrangement No one have I ever despised Is this the way that you wanted to pay Won't you show me, please show me the way Is this the way that you wanted to pay Won't you show me, please show me the way

Temptation

A heaven I'd get with a hope Just like the feeling inside, it's no joke And though it hurts me to treat you this way Betrayed my words, I'd never heard, too hard to say Up, down, turn around Please don't let me hit the ground Tonight I think I'll walk alone I'll find my soul as I go home

Each way I turn, I know I'll always try To break this circle that's been placed around me From time to time, I find I've lost some need That was urgent to myself, I do believe Up, down, turn around Please don't let me hit the ground Tonight I think I'll walk alone I'll find my soul as I go home

Oh, you've got green eyes Oh, you've got blue eyes Oh, you've got grey eyes And I've never seen anyone quite like you before No, I've never met anyone quite like you before Thoughts from above hit the people down below People in this world, we have no place to go Oh, it's the last time Oh, I've never met anyone quite like you before Oh no, I've never met anyone quite like you before

Blue Monday

How does it feel to treat me like you do? When you've your hands upon me And told me who you are I thought I was mistaken I thought I heard your words Tell me, how do I feel Tell me now, How do I feel

Those who came before me Lived through their vocations From the past until completion They'll turn away no more And I still find it so hard To say what I need to say But I'm quite sure that you'll tell me Just how I should feel today

I see a ship in the harbor I can and shall obey But if it wasn't for your misfortune I'd be a heavenly person today And I thought I was mistaken And I thought I heard you speak Tell me how do I feel Tell me now, how should I feel

Now I stand here waiting... I thought I told you to leave me While I walked down to the beach Tell me how does it feel When your heart grows cold

Confusion

(W W W R L) You just can't believe me When I show you what you mean to me You just can't believe me When I show you what you cannot see

You're hiding from feelings, searching for more Sharing and hoping, untouched for so long Our lives still change from the way that we were And now I'll tell you something I think you should know You just can't believe me When I show you what you mean to me You just can't believe me When I show you what you cannot see

You cause me confusion, you told me you cared He's calling these changes that last to the end Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies The past is your present, the future is mine You just can't believe me When I show you what you mean to me You just can't believe me When I show you what you cannot see

You tell me you need me, I'll make it this time The thread won't divide us, the sensation survives I was sure that I told you it was good from the face You've caused me some problems, you've taken my place

Why can't you see what you mean to me?
Thieves Like Us

I've watched your face for a long time It's always the same I've studied the cracks and the wrinkles You were always so vain Well, now you live your life like a shadow In the pouring rain Oh, it's called love Yes, it's called love Oh, it's called love And it belongs to us Oh, it dies so quickly It grows so slowly But when it dies, it dies for good It's called love And it belongs to everyone but us

I've lived my life in the valleys I've lived my life on the hills I've lived my life on alcohol I've lived my life on pills But it's called love And it belongs to us It's called love And it's the only thing that's worth living for It's called love And it belongs to us It's called love Yes it's called love

Oh, love is found in the east and west But when love is at home, it's the best Love is the cure for every evil Love is the air that supports the eagle It's called love And it's so un-cool It's called love And somehow it's become unmentionable It's called love And it belongs to every one of us It's called love And it cuts your life like a broken knife
Perfect Kiss

I stood there beside myself, Thinking hard about the weather Then came by a friend of mine Suggested we go out together Then I knew it from the start: This friend of mine would fall apart Pretending not to see his guilt, I said "let's go out and have some fun" I know, you know, you believe in a land of love I know, you know, we believe in a land of love

I have always thought about Staying here and going out Tonight I should have stayed at home, Playing with my pleasure zone He has always been so strange, I'd often thought he was deranged Pretending not to see his gun, I said "let's go out and have some fun" I know, you know, we believe in a land of love I know, you know, we believe in a land of love

When you are alone at night You search yourself for all the things That you believe are right If you give it all away You throw away your only chance to be here today Then a fight breaks out on your street You lose another broken heart in a land of meat My friend, he took his final breath Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death
Subculture

I like walking in the park When it gets late at night I move `round in the dark And leave when it gets light I sit around by day Tied up in chains so tight These crazy words of mine So wrong they could be What do I get out of this? I always try, I always miss One of these days you'll go back to your home You won't even notice that you are alone One of these days when you sit by yourself You'll realise you can't show off without someone else In the end you will submit It's got to hurt a little bit

I like talking in my sleep When people work so hard They need what they can't keep A choice that leaves them scarred A room without a view Unveils the truth so soon And when the sun goes down You've lost what you had What do I get out of this? I always try, I always miss One of these days you'll go back to your home You won't even notice that you are alone One of these days when you sit by yourself You'll realise you can't show off without someone else In the end you will submit It's got to hurt a little bit
Shellshock

That's the way - Shellshock Hold on! It's never enough It's never enough until your heart stops beating The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain Don't give up the game until your heart stops beating

You call me on the phone, you left me all alone All I get from you is shellshock Another day goes by and all I do is cry All I get from you is shellshock I'd tell the world and save my soul But rain falls down and I feel cold A cold that sleeps within my heart It tears the earth and sun apart But that's the way that I can win A victim of your evil sin You've lost the hold you've had on me By causing the changes that you never see Hold on! It's never enough It's never enough until your heart stops beating The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain Don't give up the game until your heart stops beating

When we walk through open doorways, Counting time in one or more ways We can't find our peace of mind And life becomes a life of crime And that's the day I call your name I came to you, I called in vain You lost the faith within your heart The fire in your soul from the end to the start Hold on! It's never enough It's never enough until your heart stops beating The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain Don't give up the game until your heart stops beating

I've been good and I've been bad But common sense I've never had No matter how I try and try, I hide the truth behind a lie But that's the way that I can win A victim of your evil sin You lost the faith within your heart The fire in your soul from the end to the start Hold on! It's never enough It's never enough until your heart stops beating The deeper you get, the sweeter the pain Don't give up the game until your heart stops beating
State Of The Nation

You can walk, or you can run You don't have to be someone I went on a summer cruise Upon an ocean born to lose My brother said that he was dead I saw his face and shook my head Can you see where we can't be We're losing our blood in the sea 'Cause it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Yes, it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Oh, the state of the nation Is causing death inflation Oh, the state of the nation Is causing death inflation

From my home I traveled far I drove in my stolen car When it broke down, I kissed the ground 'Cause I don't kiss when you're around I don't find that I have been The portrait of an only son If that's the case, then who could tell Where my story had begun? Cause it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Yes, it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Yes, the state of the nation That's causing death inflation Oh, the state of the nation That's causing death inflation

Even now, I'm all alone Behind a wall that's made of stone I think about where we have been And all the sights that could be seen I know it all could be worthwhile If only I could force a smile Now we turn our backs to the sea The shame of a nation we'll never be Cause it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Yes, it's the state of the nation That's holding our salvation Oh, the state of the nation Is causing death inflation Yes, the state of the nation Is causing death inflation
Bizarre Love Triangle

Every time i think of you I feel shot right through with a bolt of blue It's no problem of mine but it's a problem I find Living a life that I can't leave behind There's no sense in telling me The wisdom of a fool won't set you free But that's the way that it goes And it's what nobody knows While every day my confusion grows Every time I see you falling I get down on my knees and pray I'm waiting for that final moment You'll say the words that I can't say

I feel fine and I feel good I'm feeling like I never should Whenever I get this way, I just don't know what to say Why can't we be ourselves like we were yesterday I'm not sure what this could mean I don't think you're what you seem I do admit to myself That if I hurt someone else Then I'll never see just what we're meant to be Every time I see you falling I get down on my knees and pray I'm waiting for that final moment You'll say the words that I can't say
True Faith (The Morning Sun)

I feel so extraordinary Something's got a hold on me I get this feeling I'm in motion A sudden sense of liberty I don't care 'cause I'm not there And I don't care if I'm here tomorrow Again and again I've taken too much Of the things that cost you too much I used to think that the day would never come I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun My morning sun is the drug that brings me near To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear I used to think that the day would never come That my life would depend on the morning sun...

When I was a very small boy, Very small boys talked to me Now that we've grown up together They're afraid of what they see That's the price that we all pay And the value of destiny comes to nothing I can't tell you where we're going I guess there was just no way of knowing I used to think that the day would never come I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun My morning sun is the drug that brings me near To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear I used to think that the day would never come That my life would depend on the morning sun...

I feel so extraordinary Something's got a hold on me I get this feeling I'm in motion A sudden sense of liberty The chances are we've gone too far You took my time and you took my money Now I fear you've left me standing In a world that's so demanding I used to think that the day would never come I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun My morning sun is the drug that brings me near To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear I used to think that the day would never come That my life would depend on the morning sun...
In A Lonely Place

Caressing the marble and stone Love that was special for one The waste and the fever and hate How I wish you were here with me now

The body that kills and hides Matches an awful delight One like a dog `round your feet How I wish you were here with me now

The hangman looks `round as he waits Gullet stretches tight and it breaks Someday we will die in your dreams How I wish we were here with you now
Procession

There is no end to this I have seen your face But I don't recognize all these things